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Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/samsung-says-galaxy-tab-sales-to-consumers-actually-quite-small/
"When is a tablet sold not actually a tablet sold? When it's a Galaxy Tab, apparently. As The Wall Street Journal reports, those two million Galaxy Tabs that Samsung reported it had "sold" in the fourth quarter of last year were apparently not actual sales to consumers, but simply sales to distributors (which is a different matter altogether). Even more surprisingly, Samsung's Lee Young-hee further explained on an earnings call on Friday that so-called "sell-out" sales to customers were actually "quite small," but she wouldn't provide a specific number. Somewhat confusingly, however, she also later noted that while "sell-out wasn't as fast as we expected," Samsung still believes that sales to consumers were "quite OK," and that it is "quite optimistic" about 2011."
ahhhhhh who cares about numbers? i didnt get my tab because the Tab sold million, i got it cuz its awesome! but i do admit, one less thing to brag about :/ oh well.
Yeah, and this is the very first company to fudge the figures to make themselves look better.
Seriously OP, WTF are you whining about? They all do it.
Yup, Microsoft did exactly he same with Windows Phone 7 sales. Sales of licences to distributors != phones in consumers hands. They all do it.
Except Apple... the really don't need to. Bastards.
The majority of phone companies do this.
They are correct that they sold 2 million tabs but thats to distributers etc.
So i cant see where they have.misled or decieved someone? They correctly stated how many they have sold.
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This effects us how? No offence, but this won't change anyone's opinion on the Tab. I could give a horses Arse if they soils 13million or a hundred, I still love it.
But in their defence, they never stated who the sales were to.
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Sadly some people strongly identify with the things they buy and so take it personally when it is perceived to be "not so good".
The kind of people that buy "lifestyle" products.
BTW, as stated above, this is pretty much how these things are reported.
Lol, like it matters. We all love the Tab, regardless of how many they sold
This is quite a gray area...
When I am not traveling the world putting boot to ass for this great country of mine... I work with a very close friend who runs a multi-national corporation manufacturing musical instruments.
When he reports to his share holders, they report sales to distributors. Once the item has been delivered to the distributor or vendor... IT IS SOLD. What they do with them after that is their concern.
Well, Engadget and the WSJ had to admit that they made a mistake. Lee Young-hee said that the sales were "quite smooth" not "quite small" It was a misquote. Engadget issued a correction post here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/01/samsungs-lee-young-hee-was-misunderstood-galaxy-tab-sales-are/
and yet, the statement on engadget is quite sinical aside from the admittance
anyway I'm agreed, I bought the tab coz i like it, no matter how the sales are
I actually preferred things that not too many people had it, coz i want to be different
luckily in my country, not that many tab user, so at least i'm classified as the exclusive ones, not like the iphone user who's become so common they're not as "regal" as before
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and yet, the statement on engadget is quite sinical aside from the admittance
anyway I'm agreed, I bought the tab coz i like it, no matter how the sales are
I actually preferred things that not too many people had it, coz i want to be different
luckily in my country, not that many tab user, so at least i'm classified as the exclusive ones, not like the iphone user who's become so common they're not as "regal" as before
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I agree. I wanted to be different as well. For a good 2 months I haven't seen anyone in my country use the Tab, and when I'm around cafe's, people holding iPads would give me a stare. So far I've only seen one person in my school using one, and one guy I saw in the airport had one as well.
Aside from the Tab, the reason why I love Android much more is because I can make it look so different from other people's devices. So even if I was beside someone who owned a Tab, they would look so different when placed together.
If Samsung updates my gtab to honeycomb I will find it in my heart to forgive them - lol
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Guess alot of people are holding back on the tab because of tab2. But I still love & hug my tab. Sales figure doesn' t matters.
lies and deception? LOL. I'm sorry, but what.
If they said they only sold 1 tab, or a hundred zillion, who cares...
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We should show that we are all united to help HTC and not let Apple take down the company who make our devices. One of the best Android makers there is in the world currently.
HTC isn't going away. They will just have to pay a bunch of money to Apple and Google said they will help HTC stay in business if that happens.
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
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I think all of them would rather see a competitor fail. Best case scenario in their mind: HTC sales drop, get hit with more fees per phone, become weak and get sold on the cheap.
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This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
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Based off of your post, I'm pretty sure that I know about a couple of dozen iPhone owners (ie almost every one of them) who clearly smarter than you.
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Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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For the same reason - patents.
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Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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Well, lets Google.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5
Lets see what we have here. We have people that wants Apple (an American company) to fail. We have the same people who wants HTC, LG, Samsung, and etc (all foreign companies) to take down apple. I don't follow the line of reasoning.
I don't like GM cars but I sure don't want them to fail or be underdog to the foreign markets.
I'd rather bug HTC for source code to 2.3.3 update
As for buy american, I agree but I also disagree: https://www.insightcommunity.com/case.php?iid=1333 (move down)
'Buying American' used to mean more than buying an American based company's goods ... mainly product made in America. Or at least for the most part. The two might be based (for the most part), as a whole, in two different regions ... in a way. But they are essentially coming from similar locations, in this case; not America / US.
But, hey ... 'merica! *waves mini flag*
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Apple is having ZERO profitability issues.
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stoc...surd-AAPL-DELL-HPQ-RIMM-NOK-GOOG-PHG0720.aspx
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Just wow! Where the hell is it posted that Apple had a loss of profit because of Android? Apple is just pulling a **** move, that is all. Android is NOT a threat to iPhone/iPad sales in the least!!!
Read this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
And then this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/
Please educate yourself before you talk out of your ass.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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Lets say that Apple makes it $10 a handset. How much does HTC pay for a WP7 license? I've heard $5-10, that makes it more espensive or equal. But then consider the additional costs: a WP7 license comes with IP protection (HTC is spending a lot of money fighting MS and Apple), then there's QA testing that has to be handled by the OEM, development costs for drivers, and then finally design and development costs for HTC sense. Android itself is free but creating/selling a consumer version of it isn't. Is $10/handset + the additional costs too much? I have no idea but I don't think it helps.
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I think the best response to apple trying to shut down android would be for every android user to file a class action suit against apple to recuperate the money spent on their android phones, I think there would be enough interest to make apple pay attention, maybe just the threat might be enough, who knows....just a thought
I always like more and more competition since its better for the consumer. Just that the idea of buying the HTC One scares me regarding future support (updates / warranty / resale value) :-/
I loved my nexus one... but I'm sure we can all agree that HTC has been in a rough stretch sales wise. Less sales starts the bad spiral of less money -> less marketing -> less customers -> less pull with carriers -> less R&D -> less user base -> less accessories -> less support etc.
I guess I'm the only one that's worried to buy from a company that seems to be on its last hope
Of course the loyalists will flame me because they are protective of HTC's image and that's ok (because I can appreciate being a fan). But is there anyone else out there that has had this worry about buying the One as well? I'd like to hear your thoughts even if they are negative
http://mobile.pcmag.com/?ref=299983&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcmag.com%2Farticle2%2F0%2C2817%2C2406787%2C00.asp
HTC said its profits dropped by more than half this past quarter - July 2012
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http://m.androidauthority.com/htcs-sales-down-45-in-july-compared-to-a-year-ago-106036/
HTC doesn’t seem to be doing too well lately, even after the big launch of the One series, and the much praised HTC One X smartphone. Yesterday they said that their sales fell by 45% in the month of July compared to the same month last year, from T$45.11 billion to T$25 billion ($834 million). The sales were also down compared the previous month by T$5 billion. - August 2012
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http://www.talkandroid.com/150068-htc-reports-january-sales-down-6-percent-year-on-year/
Who said Android manufacturers didn’t deliver on their word? OK, maybe not always on software updates but HTC is living up to its promise of crappy sales. Earlier this week the Taiwanese giant announced it expected this quarter’s sales numbers to be down as much as 17% over the first quarter of 2012. - February 2013
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http://bgr.com/2013/03/26/htc-one-launch-delay-analysis-397715/?utm_source=b-yahoo-orig_pub&utm_medium=feed
March and April shipment numbers for Taiwan’s star-crossed smartphone champion may be gruesome indeed and it is possible that the HTC One won’t ship more than 300,000 units globally even during April. HTC can only hope that consumer interest will remain high even as the Xperia Z price drifts down, the Galaxy S4 debuts and the summer iPhone buzz starts peaking. - March 2013
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HTC isn't going anywhere, and in the most extreme case they would merely be purchased off
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Re: Buying the HTC One seems dangerous
As a proud owner of an HTC rezound (htc's long lost orphan child) r&d couldn't have been better. With our small community of talented devs this phone has countless roms, cm, pac, ported sense 4.x you name it...
R&D won't be a problem on the one, which will sell way more than the rezound.
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HTC isn't going anywhere, and in the most extreme case they would merely be purchased off
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I can agree with being purchase off eventually. But in the meantime, like a bleeding wounded animal, they would cut spending at various key departments in order to stave off having to be bought out... which cuts into the HTC One marketing and customer base, limiting the resale demand and market share for that phone.
Also if they are bought out / merged is there any thing guaranteeing a past 1 year, out of warranty repair could be given if needed? Say your 1 day out of warranty and your battery completely dies.
You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it....another useless...well, do I even need to say it...
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You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it...
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Being maliciously poisoned by someone or any other random car accident/plane crash type example is different than trying to make a calculated decision about an electronics purchase.
That would be like telling someone who is weighing the risks versus benefits of buying a particular stock "Ah who cares? you might get poisoned at Starbucks anyways."
I have used no smartphones BUT htc since the ppc6700 and I won't be buying the one. First and foremost I'm just pissed at the game htc pays with source code being released right before or after a version becomes replaced. Going with s4 if the fabled mastodon nexus 5 doesn't come to fruition in short order. I think the one is pretty much a one x with stuff removed (a button here, an sd card there) in that respect it's aptly named although it becomes a bit confusing. One x s v and now just one?
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I have used no smartphones BUT htc since the ppc6700 and I won't be buying the one. First and foremost I'm just pissed at the game htc pays with source code being released right before or after a version becomes replaced. Going with s4 if the fabled mastodon nexus 5 doesn't come to fruition in short order. I think the one is pretty much a one x with stuff removed (a button here, an sd card there) in that respect it's aptly named although it becomes a bit confusing. One x s v and now just one?
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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HTC is declining for sure, but I don't think ut will be dead anytime in 3 years. HTC still holds cash on hand(earned before 2012). Their problem is going less and less profitable, not fighting for last breath.
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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I think you can be confident that this phone's lifespan will last at least as long as HTC will...part of that's unfortunately because HTC doesn't exactly have a fantastic history of supporting their own devices, but developers certainly do, and I have a feeling the One will be at least as popular with the dev community as the One XL was - and I think the XL still has a good, long life ahead of it.
So, even if HTC vanishes from the face of the Earth, devs will keep it alive :good:
Being someone who bit the bullet with Palm/HP webOS, I think that threads like these are ridiculous. If you like the phone, why does it matter? I received a number of replacement Palm Pres through my carrier even after Palm was bought out. If there is an issue with the One it will likely be handled the same way. As for resale value... If it lasts you two years you have effectively paid about 25 bucks a month assuming it costs 600 bucks. I think the One will probably be worth that to me, and that is assuming you won't get a penny in resale value.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the phone you use every day has to be worth something to you, and maybe if the One isn't worth 25 bucks a month for two years, you could return it and get a GS4 or wait for something else instead of worrying about what it will be worth when you're done with it.
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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My apologies. As a die hard htc customer, I thought that my opinion might be reflective of the mistakes they might be making that you seem concerned about. That said, they are still one of the top (2?) manufacturers and are far from tanking. Support shouldn't be an issue. If you like that phone, I see absolutely no reason for concern.
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The amount of negativity on here is ridiculous.
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"Being MALICIOUSLY poisoned by someone"
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"Some one might ACCIDENTLY pour some rat poison in it...."
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Thanx for reading...
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Actually HTC has great update track record. I think only Asus is better. I would be more scared of buying Sony or Samsung. Especially for all the rumors that Samsung is leaving Android in favor of their own OS.
And don't forget that HTC decided to only have 1 flagship device they will update faster.
And HTC must have a lot of money left because in Germany their commercials are everywhere. And they are major UEFA sponsor. Only biggest company's can afford that.
And as it looks HTC One is selling like crazy right now. Not at all strange as almost all reviewers love it and praise it.
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I always like more and more competition since its better for the consumer. Just that the idea of buying the HTC One scares me regarding future support (updates / warranty / resale value) :-/
I loved my nexus one... but I'm sure we can all agree that HTC has been in a rough stretch sales wise. Less sales starts the bad spiral of less money -> less marketing -> less customers -> less pull with carriers -> less R&D -> less user base -> less accessories -> less support etc.
I guess I'm the only one that's worried to buy from a company that seems to be on its last hope
Of course the loyalists will flame me because they are protective of HTC's image and that's ok (because I can appreciate being a fan). But is there anyone else out there that has had this worry about buying the One as well? I'd like to hear your thoughts even if they are negative
http://mobile.pcmag.com/?ref=299983&url=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406787,00.asp
http://m.androidauthority.com/htcs-sales-down-45-in-july-compared-to-a-year-ago-106036/
http://www.talkandroid.com/150068-htc-reports-january-sales-down-6-percent-year-on-year/
http://bgr.com/2013/03/26/htc-one-l.../?utm_source=b-yahoo-orig_pub&utm_medium=feed
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Yep. I also worry about future support. HTC is notorious for slow updates
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You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it....another useless...well, do I even need to say it...
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You get the award for the worst analogy ever
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Like I said before HTC is not in a state where they are losing their business. They're just having lesser profit(income) compared to the past years. Now if anybody here thinks that $36million income in a quarter of a year is small then give me $1million on my paypal account right now lol!
And yeah having lower profit on the 1st quarter is expected by HTC.
1. They haven't released new phones.
2. They made budgets for the release of their HTC One(Where do you think they would get their budget for it?)
3. Obviously their past phones did really not sell out.
Now with the HTC One coming I'm pretty sure their profit would surge out this 2nd quarter. To think their stocks now jumped in by +9.65% they are obviously earning big time on the HTC One right now even considering it's not yet widely released and lack of availability.
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Being someone who bit the bullet with Palm/HP webOS, I think that threads like these are ridiculous. If you like the phone, why does it matter? I received a number of replacement Palm Pres through my carrier even after Palm was bought out. If there is an issue with the One it will likely be handled the same way. As for resale value... If it lasts you two years you have effectively paid about 25 bucks a month assuming it costs 600 bucks. I think the One will probably be worth that to me, and that is assuming you won't get a penny in resale value.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the phone you use every day has to be worth something to you, and maybe if the One isn't worth 25 bucks a month for two years, you could return it and get a GS4 or wait for something else instead of worrying about what it will be worth when you're done with it.
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This is one of the most sensible things I've read on xda. Ever.
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As this thread doesn't discuss features of the device but is rather discussing HTC alleged financial situation its now closed before it really becomes a fanboy battleground..
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4...ures-disastrous-first-and-production-problems
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It will be sad to see them go, downsizing is never pretty. I really hope we'll see a phone running sense in the future generations.. I think the one should have been much more popular than it is.
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Its overdue!!
When a company goes down that fast, major changes are a must!!
Just sack the CEO and let someone else bought the company.
This is very very sad news, also the launch of the One in my country is a disaster.... Not enough unit to sale, only units for pre-ordered customers, delayed 3-4 times. I really hope the doubled manufacture rate of the One will help them get out of this situation...
Google - please buy HTC!!
yes but consider this
if the US staff if being changed or they are leaving on their own, the motherbase is still in Taiwan, if anything those leaving are those who failed HTC so far
Let's not forget the One X main failure was the US market
Slashgear's take on the news
HTC sees more top execs disappear as Facebook fouls First launch
and little less drama
Nonetheless, HTC’s future is about more than just a few high-profile staff looking elsewhere for their next challenge. The company has apparently pushed through its HTC One production issues, with output said to double this month alone, and the unaudited sales figures from April indicated that demand for the flagship was certainly there. HTC has been pushing ahead with cost-cutting, too, axing little-used services like HTC Watch in less popular locations.
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and did the press consider that Eirc is just a guy who left his job and bad mouthing the place
Leigh @jetleigh 9h
Proud to say I work for @HTC. #hatersgonnahate
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https://twitter.com/jetleigh/status/337036907546570752
Leigh @jetleigh 8h
@verge you guys are missing a big piece to this, creates a misleading story. *sigh.*
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Executive hemorrhage continues : http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/4355290/htc-asia-ceo-lennard-hoornik-leaves-company
i dont think this will affect anything at all..they are always people who can do a better job than those who have left
They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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For everyone worried that HTC will no longer exist, just remember that Nokia, Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, and many others still exist even though they have not been relevant for a whole lot longer
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This from that article would be an absolute disaster.
A reshuffle in how HTC makes its strategy decisions could be part of the reason behind the shake-up, it’s suggested, with the company shifting product planning to the Taipei HQ and potentially leaving the Seattle office out of the loop.Asian companies don't know how to market toward Western audiences and HTC's been historically bad. Controlling it all out of Taiwan would just make things worse. And if you look at where the people went most are in better jobs with bigger and growing companies so "house cleaning" doesn't seem like what's behind their departure. People on the inside have a more accurate view of the present and future and mass exodus is never a good sign.
Here's what Forbes said...
Once an undeniable power in the U.S. smartphone market (second only to Apple ’s iPhone in 2011), the Taiwan-based HTC Corp. is suffering the latest bump in what has been a slow, drawn-out stumble.
The company’s chief product officer, Kouji Kodera, has left the company, according to a report by The Verge. Kodera’s departure is one of a number of recent HTC fence-jumpers, which includes vice president of global communications Jason Gordon, global retail marketing manager Rebecca Rowland, director of digital marketing John Starkweather, and product strategy manager Eric Lin, according to the report. HTC Asia’s CEO Lennard Hoornik has also chosen to leave the company following two months of leave time.
This exodus of talent only worsens a grim outlook for the company in 2013. The HTC One – the company’s latest iPhone-esque smartphone – has not been the game-changer the company needed to bounce back from poor sales in 2012. Investors have taken notice, as they tend to do (eventually) and HTC’s share prices have fallen to $288 from $432 [the One X/S/V launch] this time last year on the Taiwan exchange.http://www.forbes.com/sites/karsten...retreating-in-the-face-of-iphone-and-samsung/
The thing with Eric Lin is that even when he first "introduced" himself to the community at large for I believe it was pocketnow he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009). In terms of PR he was a bad move by the company...In that it doesn't shock me in the least that he is a very outspoken critic of HTC America.
Even speaking with him at some of the live events he's still extremely abrasive...he's a really bad spokesperson for even a company performing well
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They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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Good idea. Done.
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domineus said:
he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009).
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So either he was really good at his job and HTC decided to overlook his personality traits or, since he was at HTC for four years, HTC's incompetent for allowing such a key position to be filled with someone not up to the task.
Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
hamdir said:
Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
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Their basing their conclusion on HTC's guidance for Q2 2013 which is below (by 21%) what they actually achieved in Q2 2012 with the X/S/V and that at this point last year their stock price is 33% lower with the One on the market than when the X/S/V were on the market for the same amount of time. I was hoping for HTC's sake that today's big Verizon announcment was that they'd be carrying the One. It turned out to be a partnership with Jennifer Lopez aimed at the U.S. Latin market.
Here's HTC projected performance along with their historical performance (as provided by them).
Off to enjoy my HTC One
Enjoy the stock exchange Barry I share no interest
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By the way, isn't it odd that you only contribute to death stories around this specific forum and nothing to do with the device it self?
At least Baron took a bold step
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157153&page=612
You really don't like HTC at all Barry, do you? Never see you saying anything good about them and always praising Samsung like they have no faults at all and any problems that they do have, you seem to brush them under the carpet like they are non-issues i.e. the screen issues yet when it comes to HTC and a minor problem, it is just an outrage and that this will severely hurt the company according to you......
Regarding this "shake up", just because people have left the company doesn't neccasrily mean that the company is going down, as posted by one of them and an article, it sounds like they weren't happy working at HTC....... how that relates to "the end of HTC", please explain......... besides, it might be a good thing as posted, their marketing is crap (much better this year but still not good enough to match Samsung) and this is one of the most important areas as to if a product will do well combined with sales commissions, Samsung know fine well how it important it is, otherwise they wouldn't be throwing such a stupid amount of money at that department let alone increasing it substantially each year, that is largely why they are so popular and sell so many units as has been proven even if a product gets better reviews and is better overall and is preferred by the majority of users across forums/polls etc. Looking at both devices the other day, HTC one shoved with all the other devices where as the galaxy s4 has its very own stand and the device isn't clamped down anywhere as much and you even have a wee display notice beside the phone saying something like "call for assistance to demonstrate the features" and everywhere you look, you just see GS 4 posters.... this is where HTC and other companies fail big time and is what cost them their sales, X company could have the very best product by miles, however, what is the point if you have Y company that has a device, which isn't as good but are paying/bribing the shops more in order (more than other companies) to push their devices onto the customers?? In that situation, what do you think is going to appeal to the average joe customer more....
Plus HTC need to branch out to more market areas in order to create more brand presence as at the minute, average joes probably view HTC like what we view ZTE etc.
The GS 4 is not the best selling phone purely because of the SD slot and/or removable battery and/or its software gimmicks/features (maybe it is for the likes of most of the people on this forum but not for the mass consumer i.e. average joes and you can quite clearly see this isn't the case as apple aren't having problems with their iphones and sales.....) or/and because it is free of faults (how many note II and GS 3 devices died last year from the sudden death issue?? Surely that would leave a bad taste??? Not to mention when it took Samsung so long to admit that there was a problem let alone fix it.....EDIT: Oh and their awful repair service too! Blaming it on water damage......), GS 4 has more serious issues compared to the one currently i.e. over heating, poor performance in real world usage, screen issues (be it pink/purple tint, red pixels, screen glass or/and AMOLED breaking/cracking with slight pressure), audio issues etc. The one's issues are mainly cosmetic and some aren't even "issues" i.e. that tiny tiny gap at the top/bottom which doesn't even measure in at 1mm can hardly be consider an issue since it normal as the speaker covers aren't part of the zero gap body, if that is consider an issue then every single phone has that issue especially the GS 4, check the camera lens area and back cover parts:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05710-1366741454.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05555.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05553.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05538.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05492.jpg
Heck Samsung could have just released the exact same phone as the GS 3 but with that 1080P screen and they would have still have sold the same amount as what they currently have with the GS 4.
It is just like everything these days especially the game and film industry, you hype and market the **** out of the stuff, they sell millions, however, be bloody awful, you then have your GOTY and film of the year that doesn't sell as well due to the lack of marketing.
/rant
Anyway, back on topic, as I was saying, this could be a good thing, getting new and better people in to carry out those jobs and get some fresh ideas.
Sounds like the CEO needs to go as well......
I tend to think the Sold Out is artificial, how could they not have been ready for roll out with all the ads and publicity?
Perhaps they're purposely trickling them out, waiting on real world reports, before some battery blow up or other fiasco happens and having to recall millions..
Better safe then sorry, right Samsung, Sony?
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I tend to think the Sold Out is artificial, how could they not have been ready for roll out with all the ads and publicity?
Perhaps they're purposely trickling them out, waiting on real world reports, before some battery blow up or other fiasco happens and having to recall millions..
Better safe then sorry, right Samsung, Sony?
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Seriously, how could Google not understand that their products sell? It started with the Nexus 4 and it's been the same EVERY SINGLE RELEASE.
They do this on purpose it seems, because come holiday season, it's magically available again. Plus, the 32gb Silver XL is still available, how is that possible?
Hopefully it's not a bait and switch where their Hardware vendors run out of a certain part and they have to Source it from a different vendor and it's not the same quality as the original.
ie white casing cracking, black glass being weaker, screens with strange hues, cameras with halos, slower ram, batteries buldging ect..
Black Xl 128 was showing up in stock every 6-7 hrs for 20mins. Then it was Silver Xl 128.. Why not keep allowing preorders and fill orders as they become available?
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Hopefully it's not a bait and switch where their Hardware vendors run out of a certain part and they have to Source it from a different vendor and it's not the same quality as the original.
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Really don't think that's the case. It's probably just waiting maybe an extra week for a new shipment from wherever HTC's manufacturing building is located. Don't be fooled, Google isn't building these things in Mountain View, CA, as they'd have you believe.
I'd really like to see the initial numbers from the Nexus 6P last year. How many were ready to go at launch? They have to have these figures.
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Really don't think that's the case. It's probably just waiting maybe an extra week for a new shipment from wherever HTC's manufacturing building is located. Don't be fooled, Google isn't building these things in Mountain View, CA, as they'd have you believe.
I'd really like to see the initial numbers from the Nexus 6P last year. How many were ready to go at launch? They have to have these figures.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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Google releases batches at a time, I'm convinced of this.
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Google releases batches at a time, I'm convinced of this.
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Unless this in stock tracker is wrong, and I have been watching it since it started tracking and personally checked stock on googles site and confirmed most of the time, youre possibly right
Either that or few come back in stock from cancelled or orders that didnt go through.
http://www.nowinstock.net/electronics/mobilephones/unlocked/googlepixel/
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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NEW IMPROVED PIXEL with 5.7" screen and stylus? hmmmm. before you realize it's too late KA-BOOM!
Man everyone is a conspiracy theorist here?
Google never said these phones were made in the USA. It's widely known that HTC was doing the manufacturing. And to be honest compared to the Nexus's this is the first time a lot of my friends have even mentioned a google phone. Most probably don't know what a Nexus is. That + the previous amount of nexus's sold + the Note 7 Fiasco probably put in way more preorders than expected.
I mean iphones have been selling like hotcakes for years and they sell out too.
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Man everyone is a conspiracy theorist here?
Google never said these phones were made in the USA. It's widely known that HTC was doing the manufacturing. And to be honest compared to the Nexus's this is the first time a lot of my friends have even mentioned a google phone. Most probably don't know what a Nexus is. That + the previous amount of nexus's sold + the Note 7 Fiasco probably put in way more preorders than expected.
I mean iphones have been selling like hotcakes for years and they sell out too.
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Widely known? Where in the official documentation and release presentation was HTC mentioned at all? What about the TV commercial spots, or on pixel.google.com?
As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
the Note 7 will have been a big sales booster, I wouldn't have one if my Note hadn't went back and when talking to EE placing the order the rep said the vast majority of people returning the Note's were taking the Pixel and to a smaller extent the iPhone, so chances are with this Google has just hit a gold mine on the back of Samsung's failure.
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As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
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I liked the email I got from O2 telling me to get an xperia for a renowned Sony camera, yet they are in pretty much every phone and the best tend to go to other firms and not the Sony phones.
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Widely known? Where in the official documentation and release presentation was HTC mentioned at all? What about the TV commercial spots, or on pixel.google.com?
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the Note 7 will have been a big sales booster, I wouldn't have one if my Note hadn't went back and when talking to EE placing the order the rep said the vast majority of people returning the Note's were taking the Pixel and to a smaller extent the iPhone, so chances are with this Google has just hit a gold mine on the back of Samsung's failure.
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I liked the email I got from O2 telling me to get an xperia for a renowned Sony camera, yet they are in pretty much every phone and the best tend to go to other firms and not the Sony phones.
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While I'm really enjoying the PIxel and it's fast as crap. My wife and I have had Notes since the 2 so yeah pretty much on the same boat. I would have a Note 7 right now if it weren't for the chance of death. Great example too.. Everyone also should say as they are presenting their cameras.. SONY SENSOR. The iphone , pixel, even many Samsung's in the past use them along with most of the phones cameras in the world.
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As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
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Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
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Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
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Sorry i'm a little confused here. Foxconn assembled all of apples iphones and ipads too? So what difference is there when someone else assembles google's phone.
BTW https://www.google.com/nexus/6p/ Huawei manufactured the 6p and it's only mentioned in a battery test disclaimer at the bottom of this page in the light letters.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...26/blackberry-dtek60-price-announcement-specs
Blackberry in their release to the average joes definitely doesn't mention it's made and mostly based off a TCL design.
I'm not saying there is no marketing shadow games going on here but it's an extremely common thing.
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Sorry i'm a little confused here. Foxconn assembled all of apples iphones and ipads too? So what difference is there when someone else assembles google's phone.
BTW https://www.google.com/nexus/6p/ Huawei manufactured the 6p and it's only mentioned in a battery test disclaimer at the bottom of this page in the light letters.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...26/blackberry-dtek60-price-announcement-specs
Blackberry in their release to the average joes definitely doesn't mention it's made and mostly based off a TCL design.
I'm not saying there is no marketing shadow games going on here but it's an extremely common thing.
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Huawei is plastered on the back of the 6P.
I don't know enough about Blackberry to comment.
The only difference between Apple and Google in this case is that Apple doesn't say that their iPhones are built by Apple...at least I don't think so. They don't mention Foxxcon, but they also don't say they built it themselves.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/26/apple_wait_wait_iphone7plus/
To show google isn't the only one having problems meeting demand.
madeby...
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Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
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It's like the Maserati has a Ferrari built engine and is owned by Fiat Chrysler. Why reinvent the wheel, or waste money building wheel making facilities, when you can have an existing manufacturer build them to your specifications. This happens all over the manufacturing world.
LG/Samsung make great screens, Sony makes great camera sensors, Ben & Jerry's make good ice cream..
Anyways, anyone remember the G1? It was the HTC Dream (first phone with Android), it had no HTC logos either. Most it had was T-mobile in front and "with Google" on back.. (I still have mine)
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It's like the Maserati has a Ferrari built engine and is owned by Fiat Chrysler. Why reinvent the wheel, or waste money building wheel making facilities, when you can have an existing manufacturer build them to your specifications. This happens all over the manufacturing world.
LG/Samsung make great screens, Sony makes great camera sensors, Ben & Jerry's make good ice cream..
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What Google is doing would be as if Ben & Jerry claimed that they make the cup which contains the ice cream.
I know that's a horrible analogy, but I thought it was funny.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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