at this rate i think is better to stay on canadian xac and have faster updates
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at this rate i think is better to stay on canadian xac and have faster updates
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Samsung is always slow to put out updates. Carriers do it much faster.
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Samsung is always slow to put out updates. Carriers do it much faster.
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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so you would stay on canadian?
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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As I said, Samsung is slow to put updates to their phones.
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unitz0mbie said:
so you would stay on canadian?
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Pretty much.
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As I said, Samsung is slow to put updates to their phones.
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Right, but then the second part that you said about carriers doing it quicker didn't make any sense.
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Pretty much.
Right, but then the second part that you said about carriers doing it quicker didn't make any sense.
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Carries put out the updates WAY faster, Samsung provides update to carriers, they tweak it and put it out. Takes Samsung forever. Everything I said was true, makes perfect sense.
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I have seen this lately with S8: For example T-Mobile USA, provides updates to fixes and some features about a week or so faster, but a 1 month behind on the security patch, than unlocked version. Then unlocked version a week or so later, gets next security patch and other fixes that T-Mobile released a little earlier. I also believe that if unlocked version is a little late, but it make contain a little more fixes/changes. It would be important to note when/if carriers will be faster on releasing new OS update, such as 7.1.1 or Android 8, which ever comes first for Samsung phone.
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Carries put out the updates WAY faster, Samsung provides update to carriers, they tweak it and put it out.
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No they don't, all the updates are hosted on samsung's servers, carriers don't push anything to your phone. Carriers don't do any tweaks, samsung does/builds everything for them based on their needs, carriers obviously test the build and some do it faster than others like tmobile but that's it. Reason the unlocked phones get updates late is because they're not a priority, they don't have a contract with a carrier to release updates so they take their time.
Do you really think samsungs allows carriers around the world to manually tweak its software? Carriers simply validate the firmware to make sure features like volte/wifi calling works fine, that's it.
You can download every carrier's firmware with that samfirm software, guess where it connects to? Samsung's servers.
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No they don't, all the updates are hosted on samsung's servers, carriers don't push anything to your phone. Carriers don't do any tweaks, samsung does/builds everything for them based on their needs, carriers obviously test the build and some do it faster than others like tmobile but that's it. Reason the unlocked phones get updates late is because they're not a priority, they don't have a contract with a carrier to release updates so they take their time.
Do you really think samsungs allows carriers around the world to manually tweak its software? Carriers simply validate the firmware to make sure features like volte/wifi calling works fine, that's it.
You can download every carrier's firmware with that samfirm software, guess where it connects to? Samsung's servers.
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U don't listen so I give up.
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I'm in the US and have Verizon, one the the largest cell phones companies in the country. I'm reading a lot online about how great nougat is, but I'm still waiting for an update. Why hasn't Verizon provided us with the update when it seems like everyone else is getting it??
Cause we told them not to release
This is XDA forum not Verizon customer care btw.
Because they suck in providing updates.
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Cause we told them not to release
This is XDA forum not Verizon customer care btw.
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Another internet tough guy....
junear said:
Because they suck in providing updates.
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This is my first time with them. I was just wondering because I keep reading about how this update is here, but it's not yet arrived to Verizon. I found this strange on part.
Typically the US carriers are about a month or so behind. T-Mo seems to get updates out the fastest, but Verizon and AT&T have to make sure they cram the latest and greatest bloatware on there before they will push it out.
Everyone seems to have their own reason for the slow updates for the G930U and I'd like to chime in with mine. This is 100% speculation and I have no proof to back it up, so take it as such. In theory, the G930U should be updated faster as they have already had the OS updates compiled for the device and sent to the carriers for their individual updates. The carriers add all their bloat and remove features from the Samsung Vanilla update. The carriers have to do all their modifying before they release it, which can be time consuming. Since the OS is already complete before the carriers receive it for modifying, why does the Vanilla variant(G930U) take so long???
I believe firmware is the cause for the delays. The G930V firmware is designed to work great on Verizon, and Verizon doesn't care if it works well on T-Mobile, AT&T, or anyone else. The G930T is optimized for T-Mobile, and they don't care if it works well on Verizon or any others. However, the G930U is programmed to work on "ALL" carriers, so firmware has to work well across multiple carriers. I believe the delays in updates are from Samsung working out as many bugs across all the major carriers before releasing it.
I've come to this conclusion from being on U-firmware PEH, then PG9, and most recently PL2. I am on Verizon service and every update works much better than the last. I have heard the same thing from users on AT&T and T-Mobile. This could realistically be a cause for the slow updates, as they have to optimize the firmware to work across many services, whereas the carrier-specific variants are optimized to work on that one specific carrier.
Maybe I'm just being naive. Does anyone else see this as a viable reason for slower updates for the Vanilla device?
you have very good points and i think it could be, but what about the SM-G930F for example, this device is the international variant and is updated frequently across countries and carriers that use the same exact device. How can samsung update that device almost every month but the US unlocked one can only be updated quarterly? My speculation is that since the US had never had an unlocked samsung device, the US carriers didn't really like the idea of samsung selling an open device in their territory and so maybe they only way they would allow it was if samsung committed itself to quarterly updates for the unlocked S8 in the US. As you, i am also speculating but given the way US carriers work i don't think i may be wrong. i do know the carriers may want that the Unlocked version is optimized but i don't think that process takes months to do.
The 930F uses the Exynos processor, correct? If so, I'd suspect they have a lot more hurdles to jump on the G930U firmware with Qualcomm as another important party. The Exynos processor is made in house, so they don't need outside assistance.
Anyone know for sure what bands each will have? I know the unlocked will have them all. Will every US version have all of the bands as well? Researching online for some reason right now is not giving me any info. The FCC filling for the unlocked U version is all I've found so far after a day of searching online.
http://www.androidguys.com/2017/03/...s-pass-through-the-fcc-supports-all-carriers/
I think I may have finally figured it out. Samsung hopefully did what moto and apple and nexus has done for years and made them all universal. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this all before but here is what info I'm going off.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/s/_/n-10+11+hv1rp+zq1xa/
T-Mobile
SM-G950UZKATMB
Verizon
SM-G950UZKAVZW
Sprint
SM-G950UZKASPR
AT&T
SM-G950UZKAATT
So the carrier versions are all the same just a different bloat package on all 4.
When an unlocked one arrives again the only difference might be less bloat.
This could be really good news for people who don't like contacts like myself.
Maybe faster updates from Samsung? I mean they can't possibly get slower than they already are can they?
They didn't. I have inside info from Samsung that it's the same as the GS7. They just changed the model numbering scheme to be more universally discernible. I was hoping for one phone with carrier customization but nope... they again made it impossible to get all features and bands on a different carrier.
The good news is the Verizon model doesn't have carrier branding any longer. I confirmed that today by unboxing an actual retail model.
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They didn't. I have inside info from Samsung that it's the same as the GS7. They just changed the model numbering scheme to be more universally discernible. I was hoping for one phone with carrier customization but nope... they again made it impossible to get all features and bands on a different carrier.
The good news is the Verizon model doesn't have carrier branding any longer. I confirmed that today by unboxing an actual retail model.
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So when do they finally release what bands each carrier model supports? Seems odd that no info exists on the phones releasing in 3 weeks. The unlocked model has all its bands published online but no official release date.
I'm curious to know if the Verizon model is the same as the unlocked one.
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Anyone know for sure what bands each will have? I know the unlocked will have them all. Will every US version have all of the bands as well? Researching online for some reason right now is not giving me any info. The FCC filling for the unlocked U version is all I've found so far after a day of searching online.
http://www.androidguys.com/2017/03/...s-pass-through-the-fcc-supports-all-carriers/
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If you get it unlocked, insert a different carrier's sim, factory reset and it will boot with the splash screen and preinstalled apps of the carrier. I've seen the Att to Tmobile and verizon to att swap
That's interesting . I will try that when I get it. But I'm not sure that would effect the boot logo? I'm imagining it would stay the same, no?
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I think I may have finally figured it out. Samsung hopefully did what moto and apple and nexus has done for years and made them all universal. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this all before but here is what info I'm going off.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/s/_/n-10+11+hv1rp+zq1xa/
T-Mobile
SM-G950UZKATMB
Verizon
SM-G950UZKAVZW
Sprint
SM-G950UZKASPR
AT&T
SM-G950UZKAATT
So the carrier versions are all the same just a different bloat package on all 4.
When an unlocked one arrives again the only difference might be less bloat.
This could be really good news for people who don't like contacts like myself.
Maybe faster updates from Samsung? I mean they can't possibly get slower than they already are can they?
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Did You check AT&T or T-Mobile have cdma support if they do they you are right if they don't may be carrier are going to release updates
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They didn't. I have inside info from Samsung that it's the same as the GS7. They just changed the model numbering scheme to be more universally discernible. I was hoping for one phone with carrier customization but nope... they again made it impossible to get all features and bands on a different carrier.
The good news is the Verizon model doesn't have carrier branding any longer. I confirmed that today by unboxing an actual retail model.
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I think your wrong. If you go check tmobiles website the software version is G950USQU1AQC9. There is nothing mentioning tmobile specifically there. I think that they will all come with carrier animation BUT be uninstallable.
I would hope so but I received this info from a Samsung Knox Development Manager who is an internal employee. I am crossing my fingers he is full of it.
I've got the bands for the AT&T and Verizon phones. Those companies had the decency to post the info online. Samsung chat was useless and told me some BS as usual about not knowing until the phone was released. Is it possible the T-Mobile bands listed on the website are the only bands it supports? 2,4,5,12?
If the websites are accurate and just considering bands alone it looks like the AT&T one has the best support.
I'm really Curious about exynos working on Verizon and can't find any info. I'm in Korea for another 8 months and was hoping to get the Korea model S8 and take it back to the states and use it on my Verizon network. I have a feeling it won't work just like the S7 did not.
The s8 Will be just like the note 7 was.... Internals are EXACTLY the same, just different SW, and can be flashed with any carrier SW to "make" them that carriers phone.
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The s8 Will be just like the note 7 was.... Internals are EXACTLY the same, just different SW, and can be flashed with any carrier SW to "make" them that carriers phone.
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Thats what I was thinking based on the 1 and only FCC filing with just the 'U' and no other carrier letters.
Bad news all 4 carriers support slightly different bands just like always
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71771523
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Bad news all 4 carriers support slightly different bands just like always
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71771523
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It's bs...Trust me. Note 7 on Samsung website showed the same. A simple flash of carrier FW makes it whatever FW is on it.
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It's bs...Trust me. Note 7 on Samsung website showed the same. A simple flash of carrier FW makes it whatever FW is on it.
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Does that mean that if say I pre-order the AT&T S8+ from Best Buy because I have in store credit and place a T-Mobile sim, it can possibly work?
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Does that mean that if say I pre-order the AT&T S8+ from Best Buy because I have in store credit and place a T-Mobile sim, it can possibly work?
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Flash it with TMO SW, and it will be a "TMO" phone.
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Flash it with TMO SW, and it will be a "TMO" phone.
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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I think the best course of action for me would be to wait for the Unlocked version of the S8 to arrive in May, hopefully.
Has anyone with an unlocked S8 (US) received the Oreo ota yet?
Ive always had Verizon branded Galaxy / Android phones in the past so I am not as familiar with the unlocked ota process. Do unlocked Galaxy phones typically receive ota updates last?
I have a Tmo device on U1(unlocked) firmware and haven't received the update yet. It's somewhat annoying that both Vzw and Tmo got oreo before the unlocked.
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Unlocked variants are usually the last ones to get the updates
:laugh: just got it..MetroPCS unlocked S8.
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[emoji23] just got it..MetroPCS unlocked S8.
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That is not the unlocked variant. If it is it has been flashed with SM-G950U firmware for MetroPCS. Your phone might be unlocked but the OP was asking about the SM-G950U1.
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Unlocked variants are usually the last ones to get the updates
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Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.
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Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.
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Unfortunately that's just how it's is, hence why Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint have the official Oreo update including the exynos variant. As for unlocked variants they'll eventually get it, but you'll probably get Oreo root faster than your official update. Or if you're impatient just grab an Oreo beta and work with that.
My Verizon s8+ that I use my tmobile sim got it yesterday. It changed the Verizon boot logo to tmobile. No more Verizon bloatware.
They said the U1 beta testers would be the first to get it too and that didn't happen.
Who ultimately pushes the ota for unlocked phones? Is it the manufacturer (Samsung) or the carrier that you're using the phone on?
If it is the carrier, then I suppose it makes sense that they would prioritize their locked variants first.
Waiting for Oreo OTA
Re: They said the U1 beta testers would be the first to get it too and that didn't happen.
Yes. It's taking a great deal of patience. Samsung seems to have appreciated our feedback as beta testers and then led us out to pasture and left is behind. I think I'm running a Jan 16 beta build and have been waiting...
What software version are you guys on? I am still on nougat 7.0. Are they going to push out 8.0 and skipping 7.1?
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What software version are you guys on? I am still on nougat 7.0. Are they going to push out 8.0 and skipping 7.1?
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Here in the states, my SM-G950U updated to Oreo v8.0.0 from v7.0 yesterday afternoon (March 20). Samsung Experience v9.0, Build number is R16NW.G950USQU2CRB9.
Security patch level is 1 Feb, 2018.
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Why is unlocked variant last to get updates? No carrier bloat to update, so technically it should be first.
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I was told that the unlocked variant needs all US carriers to sign off on it before they can send it out.
I'm running beta Oreo for U1. Still no update. I wouldn't mind so much if the lockscreen didn't interfere with listening to music, the music gets slow, choppy, distorted sounds when the lock screen turns off my display. Can't listen to music in my car, it's so annoying. Wish they'd expedite the update like now. They basically jacked my radio with that bug. lol
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I was told that the unlocked variant needs all US carriers to sign off on it before they can send it out.
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no that's bull****. that defeats the entire purpose of getting an unlocked phone.
The unbranded and unlocked version must work with both GSM and CDMA networks. They also must work with the carriers features like, WiFi calling, call waiting, etc. If I understand this correctly, they will require some form of carriers' certifications. Therefore unlocked phones will face delays from both Samsung and the carriers. I made a mistake of not believing former owners and publications about slow updates when I bought my S8 from Samsung. I have since corrected my mistake and bought a Pixel 2. You'll have to adjust to a plain Jane Android but you must give up something to get the timely OS updates from Google.
I am now fully convinced that Samsung will never change and Samsung phone owners who are dissatisfied with the unlocked OS updates can buy phones other than Samsung. Sony seems to be serious with the US market with their new Xperia XZ2.Sony's OS is as close to plain Android and their updates are not bad. My 2-yr old Xperia X has been on Oreo 8.0 for awhile now. Essential can be a player too.
Do yourself a favor. Stay away from Samsung if your priority is timely OS update.
If they let Snapdragon Users unlock bootloaders this was not a problem. May they will let us do that or some one will find an exploit i mean, yo can unlock bootloader on china snapdragon s8. #IWillBuyMyGalaxyS10WithExynos
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The unbranded and unlocked version must work with both GSM and CDMA networks. They also must work with the carriers features like, WiFi calling, call waiting, etc.
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Well I hope this is true for Oreo, but I doubt. The 7.0 the unbranded fw for at&t doesn't even allow VoLTE or WiFi calling out of the box.
Not sure about ATT but Oreo works on those features from T-Mobile. By the way I failed to mention that I am on Oreo Beta in my unlocked S8 which I used with Tmo.
I was just looking around and when I opened the frija tool, their was a new update for the XAA version. Its N986U1UES1ATID version. Thought I would post here for people to try it.
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I was just looking around and when I opened the frija tool, their was a new update for the XAA version. Its N986U1UES1ATID version. Thought I would post here for people to try it.
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Unlocked on Verizon network just pulled the update OTA after I read this post.
First thing I noticed is that we now have the October security patch.
size of update?
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size of update?
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on frija it was 5.5 gb
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size of update?
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Unlocked on Verizon.
gsingh22 said:
on frija it was 5.5 gb
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october patch around 230 MB. Just performed an OTA on my unlocked firmware with verizon csc.
Never through i would see the day where unlocked firmware updates get ahead of the carriers.
Still waiting on mine. I am unlocked on Tmobile. My last update was done manually though...so we will see.
Love these fast updates unlocked lolView attachment 5110297
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Love these fast updates unlocked lolView attachment 5110297
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Thats awesome, I just manually flashed this one. might have something to do with the fact that i am using T-Mobile Sim. What Carrier are you using?
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Thats awesome, I just manually flashed this one. might have something to do with the fact that i am using T-Mobile Sim. What Carrier are you using?
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Sprint, they've been on it every time
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I got my unlocked phone on 10/1 from Samsung. Immediately, I got update for September patch. Now I checked it, it showing no updates available.
I am in US, Tmobile network.
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Sprint, they've been on it every time
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Ahh makes sense, when i checked Sprint CSC had an update available on Frija. Cool, so it is T-Mobile thats being slow.
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I got my unlocked phone on 10/1 from Samsung. Immediately, I got update for September patch. Now I checked it, it showing no updates available.
I am in US, Tmobile network.
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Use Frija to manually download and Odin to Manually flash your phone if its important for you else just wait for updates if you dont like to tinker.
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Use Frija to manually download and Odin to Manually flash your phone if its important for you else just wait for updates if you dont like to tinker.
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Yeah, i think i will wait. I think in couple of days every one will get it.
So crazy that Sprint drops right away but TMB has been dead last, considering they are merging to 1 company. You'd think they'd merge the updates departments considering it's literally duplicate work for many phones.
Heck, even Verizon and ATT have been beating TMB. On the s9+, s10+ and N10+, I would usually see TMB or Comcast beating everyone, with ATT typically being last.
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So crazy that Sprint drops right away but TMB has been dead last, considering they are merging to 1 company. You'd think they'd merge the updates departments considering it's literally duplicate work for many phones.
Heck, even Verizon and ATT have been beating TMB. On the s9+, s10+ and N10+, I would usually see TMB or Comcast beating everyone, with ATT typically being last.
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Also considering how the ROM is essentially exactly the same except for CSC features and how easily we all flash the updates they should actually work on the update teams consolidation. TMB sucks these days and the way devices get updated in US it sucks that one loses the advantage of unlocked device the moment they put in a carrier sim.
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Also considering how the ROM is essentially exactly the same except for CSC features and how easily we all flash the updates they should actually work on the update teams consolidation. TMB sucks these days and the way devices get updated in US it sucks that one loses the advantage of unlocked device the moment they put in a carrier sim.
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It's just odd that I bought a U1 directly through Samsung but I'm waiting on the ota. I had thought Samsung released directly for u1......
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It's just odd that I bought a U1 directly through Samsung but I'm waiting on the ota. I had thought Samsung released directly for u1......
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Same though I didn't buy from Samsung, I did buy it unlocked. Once you put in your sim then you are dependent on the Carrier to release an update even if you are on an unlocked phone. The best way to go about is to doodled using Frija or the Ota and Non Ota update thread and then flashing using Odin.
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Same though I didn't buy from Samsung, I did buy it unlocked. Once you put in your sim then you are dependent on the Carrier to release an update even if you are on an unlocked phone. The best way to go about is to doodled using Frija or the Ota and Non Ota update thread and then flashing using Odin.
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I always assumed it was Samsung who did that for their unlocked phones instead of the carriers.
it' up to carriers on unlocked phone.
i have unlocked ultra20 Ultra on Visible, NEVER gotten any ota.
instead of odin and flashing your phone with cable.
you can just insert a expired ATT simcard or expired Mint simcard and do a manual check for update and it will show up