I have installed many apps to find out the capacity of the battery all say 3100mAh. I installed and updated several versions of the O.S. from Marshmallow to Nougat thinking that maybe the OS were not showing the accurate battery size. But nothing...
As I've seen some videos tearing the phone apart and shows that indeed it has a 3100mAh only INSTEAD OF THE 3250mAh that ZTE claims it to have.
I am using the A2017G version bought from Amazon Germany. And it bugs and find it irritating that ZTE might be lying to us Axon users. Perhaps I'm wrong but.... I had to check with them.
After several emails and communication with ZTE they sent me this reply, which still DOESN'T ANSWER MY CONCERNS and their reply MAKES NO SENSE to me and I am an electronic engineer. I would like to hear from anyone who might have the same issue and/or just want to add some info. Thanks guys. Here's the reply from ZTE:
"Dear Valued ZTE Customer,
Thanks for contacting ZTE.
We are really sorry for the delay in response.
This email is with regards to the issue you had forwarded us about the wrong capacity battery that you have received.
We would like to inform you that, perhaps our concerned team has already informed you about the results they found from the test they performed.
However incase they haven't then, this is what they had to say about the battery issue.
The battery has two nominal values, one is the nominal value and the typical value. The A7 battery has a nominal value of 3250 mHA and a typical value of 3140 mHa.
As you mentioned by applying the check to the battery is 3100mhA, the possible reason:
1. Battery inspection application of the inspection program related to the application of detection methods affect the detection accuracy, the most accurate battery test is through a professional battery capacity test equipment to check, A7 battery capacity. The amount is measured by the battery capacity test equipment capacity, capacity is no problem.
2, The battery capacity itself will increase with the use of time, the battery capacity will drop, according to the standard battery cycle 500 times, the battery capacity reduced to 80% of the original qualified.
Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Monk09 said:
I have installed many apps to find out the capacity of the battery all say 3100mAh. I installed and updated several versions of the O.S. from Marshmallow to Nougat thinking that maybe the OS were not showing the accurate battery size. But nothing...
As I've seen some videos tearing the phone apart and shows that indeed it has a 3100mAh only INSTEAD OF THE 3250mAh that ZTE claims it to have.
I am using the A2017G version bought from Amazon Germany. And it bugs and find it irritating that ZTE might be lying to us Axon users. Perhaps I'm wrong but.... I had to check with them.
After several emails and communication with ZTE they sent me this reply, which still DOESN'T ANSWER MY CONCERNS and their reply MAKES NO SENSE to me and I am an electronic engineer. I would like to hear from anyone who might have the same issue and/or just want to add some info. Thanks guys. Here's the reply from ZTE:
"Dear Valued ZTE Customer,
Thanks for contacting ZTE.
We are really sorry for the delay in response.
This email is with regards to the issue you had forwarded us about the wrong capacity battery that you have received.
We would like to inform you that, perhaps our concerned team has already informed you about the results they found from the test they performed.
However incase they haven't then, this is what they had to say about the battery issue.
The battery has two nominal values, one is the nominal value and the typical value. The A7 battery has a nominal value of 3250 mHA and a typical value of 3140 mHa.
As you mentioned by applying the check to the battery is 3100mhA, the possible reason:
1. Battery inspection application of the inspection program related to the application of detection methods affect the detection accuracy, the most accurate battery test is through a professional battery capacity test equipment to check, A7 battery capacity. The amount is measured by the battery capacity test equipment capacity, capacity is no problem.
2, The battery capacity itself will increase with the use of time, the battery capacity will drop, according to the standard battery cycle 500 times, the battery capacity reduced to 80% of the original qualified.
Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
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Oh my dear God you get 150 mAh less! What is this madness?
Okay jokes aside, the battery capacity is actually 3140 mAh. I've seen this number before buying the phone, on reviews and one of the official pages, and when I bricked it, I took it apart and the battery says 3140.
Now a couple of things. assuming that the battery is actually 3140, they are saying that the battery has 110 mAh more. They are stating that the battery is 3.5% bigger than it is in reality. Is it worth spending all that time and effort writing the OP, asking ZTE for explanations, even watching disassembly videos, because the battery is 3.5% smaller?
And what do you plan to do, turn it back because you'll have 12.6 minutes less SOT?
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Yes, your jokes are hilarious indeed. I'm talking about the principles here man. They're claiming something it isn't true. False advertising.
When you go to a McDonald's and they give you a half empty box of fries (which sometimes happens) do you just take it? At then end of the day, you, me and the buyers in general pay for the price that a company asks for. I don't know about you but when I buy something I expect it to be in good condition and fit for purpose. Or at least with the same specs as they advertise...
Whether it has 3.5% less capacity or not - that is NOT THE POINT. Point is they are advertising it incorrectly. And I HAVE TIME TO WRITE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE TO THEM.
Yes, usually what I would do is return it, I have no problem returning stuff if they don't meet my expectations and Amazon is usually good regarding refunds. But I would not return it in this case, because as you correctly said, 110mAh less won't make a huge difference. But again, it's the principles man.
One other thing is if you read ZTE's reply, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It all sounds a bunch of excuses to me. Oh! Sorry, unlike me, you probably won't have time to read it.
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Yes, your jokes are hilarious indeed. I'm talking about the principles here man. They're claiming something it isn't true. False advertising.
When you go to a McDonald's and they give you a half empty box of fries (which sometimes happens) do you just take it? At then end of the day, you, me and the buyers in general pay for the price that a company asks for. I don't know about you but when I buy something I expect it to be in good condition and fit for purpose. Or at least with the same specs as they advertise...
Whether it has 3.5% less capacity or not - that is NOT THE POINT. Point is they are advertising it incorrectly. And I HAVE TIME TO WRITE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE TO THEM.
Yes, usually what I would do is return it, I have no problem returning stuff if they don't meet my expectations and Amazon is usually good regarding refunds. But I would not return it in this case, because as you correctly said, 110mAh less won't make a huge difference. But again, it's the principles man.
One other thing is if you read ZTE's reply, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It all sounds a bunch of excuses to me. Oh! Sorry, unlike me, you probably won't have time to read it.
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Hell they're not giving you half the capacity advertised - just 3.5% less, that's my point. You wouldn't bother if they gave you 3.5% less fries would you. i guess that this would be relevant if they actually shipped with 3000 mAh. False advertisement would be more like what has been going down with the OnePlus 3 and 5. They make their phones go full throttle to get the best results on benchmark apps, and they appear at the top of the list because most new phones have the same 835 anyways. Or with the Huawei P10s where they claimed UFS 2.1 and changed that on the last week, and you could even get eMMC storage
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Yes, your jokes are hilarious indeed. I'm talking about the principles here man. They're claiming something it isn't true. False advertising.
When you go to a McDonald's and they give you a half empty box of fries (which sometimes happens) do you just take it? At then end of the day, you, me and the buyers in general pay for the price that a company asks for. I don't know about you but when I buy something I expect it to be in good condition and fit for purpose. Or at least with the same specs as they advertise...
Whether it has 3.5% less capacity or not - that is NOT THE POINT. Point is they are advertising it incorrectly. And I HAVE TIME TO WRITE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE TO THEM.
Yes, usually what I would do is return it, I have no problem returning stuff if they don't meet my expectations and Amazon is usually good regarding refunds. But I would not return it in this case, because as you correctly said, 110mAh less won't make a huge difference. But again, it's the principles man.
One other thing is if you read ZTE's reply, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It all sounds a bunch of excuses to me. Oh! Sorry, unlike me, you probably won't have time to read it.
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Both capacities are correct. If you fill it up with, say, QC3 or a 2A charger, it will go closer to the 3140 mark, but if you charge it with a 1A charger, it will go closer to the 3250 mark. All modern lithium-ion batteries do this. Using you analogy, it would be like filling the fry container (? whatever it's called) with the fry container filler (? I know this is wrong) really fast and getting, say, 100 fries, versus taking 10 seconds and getting 104.
I feel like as this device gets older, the expectations in general get unrealistically higher and higher... Especially for a device that's less than $300 with a 2K super amoled display and periodic fw updates... ?
awsomjgp said:
Using you analogy, it would be like filling the fry container (? whatever it's called) with the fry container filler (? I know this is wrong) really fast and getting, say, 100 fries, versus taking 10 seconds and getting 104.
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Whoa that was a deep analogy
Batteries typically have two capacities listed: a minimum (min) and a typical (typ). All companies tend to advertise the typical capacity, even if the battery you have is closer to the minimum.
For example, the LG G3 is advertised everywhere as having a 3000mAh battery (the typ size), while the battery itself has a min of 2940mAh printed on it.
Another example is the Moto G4 Play, which has a typ size of 2800mAh (which is what gets advertised), but has a 2685mAh min printed on the battery itself.
ZTE seems to have only listed the minimum capacity on the battery itself, not the typical capacity.
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Hi Guys
My friend has a touch HD and recently bought a larger battery from ebay (an 1800mah) but its not one of the larger ones which requires a new expanded back plate for the phone. I was wondering if anything like this was available for the Jade, probably around the 15-1600 mah mark?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Jakai
DX have it:
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27004
Sorry buddy that looks like the same ones off ebay to me, with the larger back plate (making the phone fat!)
I can't imagine the one I'm looking for being over 1800mah or so, due to size. What I'm really after is a more powerful battery but at the same dimensions as the current one.
Anyone else shed any light? To make it more difficult, ideally located in the UK
That is impossible. To get more power the battery needs to be bigger.
nicodbgh said:
DX have it:
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27004
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This same shop has a 1300Ma version, looks to be same form-factor
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23977
That looks exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. Now just need to find a dealer in UK or something on ebay. Thanks for your help!
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Let us know when you find a source closer to Europe. I am interested too for a Touch Cruise!
I've bought one off of ebay for about £7 with free delivery from hong kong, with free delivery! not too shabby I'll let u know how it performs once its arrived.
Says in the review on that link that it doesnt last as well as the standard one
It was only cheap so I guess we'll see. The sheer fact that its higher capacity would suggest it will last longer.
I'm expecting delivery hopefully this week but probably mid next week.
I bough some 2500 mAh NiMh batteries off ebay, my charger measured the best ones at 500 mAh, some where only 350 mAh. With batteries, stick to known brands if you want the best performance.
As nicodbgh said, its impossible. The chemistry in a Li-Ion battery requires a certain amount of volume per Ah, this is not going to be improved on, not significantly anyway. New chemistry may come along that is better, but it won't be Li-Ion.
Battery arrived on saturday and I've put it in the phone. The battery looks identical to the standard HTC one (even has the same "HTC Innovation" text on the front) except that its 1300mah (opposed to the original 1100mah)
It took longer to charge (abut 6 hours) but its only the first cycle. I'll use it this week and see if I notice any jump in battery life.
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And the verdict is:
Absolutely rubbish! It takes much longer to charge than the standard battery and so far I haven't had more than 1.5 days of use out of it, thats maybe 10 minutes of calls and 5-10 texts, few mins of internet. I have push mail and data connection constantly turned on and usually get around 3 days out of the standard 1100mah.
Bit of a dissapointment as I would have liked extra life (an extra day) but it was only cheap and at least now we all know. I speak on behalf of the larger batteries with the extended back plate but my advice is stick with the original battery over the 1300mah one.
Hope this is helpful to others.
JaKai said:
And the verdict is:
Absolutely rubbish! It takes much longer to charge than the standard battery and so far I haven't had more than 1.5 days of use out of it, thats maybe 10 minutes of calls and 5-10 texts, few mins of internet. I have push mail and data connection constantly turned on and usually get around 3 days out of the standard 1100mah.
Bit of a dissapointment as I would have liked extra life (an extra day) but it was only cheap and at least now we all know. I speak on behalf of the larger batteries with the extended back plate but my advice is stick with the original battery over the 1300mah one.
Hope this is helpful to others.
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This is the problem with "no name" batteries. Perhaps it gets better after a few charging cycles.
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
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Because as they said that measurement procedure is a standard that everybody follows, so it would be stupid to do it differently, why "not lie" when everybody does so (and they actually probably wouldn't be allowed to do it differently).
Bobins24 said:
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What can i say........except that HTC should look in to the real world more often!
I use many phones, from htc, and from other company , my last two nokia phones was "business versions" with "everlasting" battery - first e65 least 40h , second - better version - only 22h ( e66) - it's normal - in this world
If HTC say it's a standard EU process, then perhaps we should campaign to get the EU standard changed as the current published figures give no indication of the phones real performance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the phone but I've never seen one like this go flat in such a short time when on standby.
i love how they say it lasts up to 490 hours on standby, but 24 hours is what they would expect
it's actually ridiculous how deceitful these companies are, we deserve better than this
it's not right that they lie right to our faces to what we are getting and how we have no rights
just not right.
I think we need a bit of a reality check here. I'm not especially inclined to defend HTC but they have a point about the stuff that may be running on the phone. Anyone who has tried some new toys must have encountered one that sucks the life out of the battery for no obvious reason - scale that down and extrapolate across a raft of apps that most of us here will have on our phones and you will get a host of variations in terms of battery life...which is exactly what we do get.
Secondly, as kilrah said, that's the way battery life is measured. Instead of whining about it we should treat it as a relative indicator against other phones because that's about all it is good for. I suspect most say 'up to...' in small letters in front of their stand by and talk times anyway.
If I were to buy a car because the specs say that it does 40 miles to the gallon I'd be a mug to expect it to do that when I'm thrashing down the motorway towing a trailer with the windows and sun roof open. But I might well buy it in preference to a car that claims 30 mpg because in the long run it will probably cost me less in running costs.
You pays your money and you takes your choice...I don't personally see any significant misrepresentation in this, but there may be a little end user misunderstanding?
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No surprise here. I observed the same discrepancy on all my phones till now - Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, HTC.
Actually I use my phone a lot and I'm more than happy with its performance so far - huge and bright screen, powerful CPU... What are your expectations? 48 hours? A week?
If you think, this is something impressive, go and buy yourself a new monitor and then just measure the advertised contrast ratio - 10000:1 ? Seriously? In fact it is only 700:1. Nothing more to say.
Watch Out: Crazy Contrast Ratios
Exact. And especially on smartphones it's absolutely impossible for the manufacturer or a standards organisation to imagine how you will use your device.
If they can quote anything, it's stock configuration, open the box, put sim card in, press power on, enter your pin, put phone in standby, leave it there, note how long it lasts. That's all.
Knowing that you can do so many things on it, install so many programs that can do what they want to the phone, and that depending on usage the battery life can vary anywhere between 2 hours and 4 days it's totally impossible, by whatever means, to quote something realistic.
When you buy a WM device (or any other Lith-Ion device for that matter) you should know what to expect with regards to battery life, it's not rocket science.
Lithium-Ion batteries are poor, until battery technology is improved it's what we should have come to expect.
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
battery life
I turned htc sense off on my phone and now the battery lasts 2-2.5 days with what i would deem reasonable use ie using the internet checking emails texting and 4 or 5 calls a day , if i turn sense back on the battery life drops to about 15 hours so i can live without sense !!! Im far more concerned about the speaker problems and pink photos than the battery )
kilrah said:
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
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I assume you are replying to me?
After having 4 HTC devices, I didn't expect anything more from the HD2 than I got from the Wizard or my Kaiser or my Diamond, if anything it was obviously going to be poorer due to the huge screen, hardware and all the software I knew I would be using.
I think your best chance of getting their claimed hours would be by:
1. Completely charging the battery;
2. Use a bare-bone ROM with absolutely nothing installed
3. Switching off all radio signals.. (that is, put the phone in flight mode so that the phone is not transmitting like wireless, bluetooth or anything else at all...)
4. leaving the phone on standby with the screen off.
Of course, noone uses their phone like that, but HTC have used the term "up to" to protect themselves...
HTC would be stupid to change the way they rate their times since every other company is using the same method. I doubt anyone would want to buy a phone that says "Standby Up to 24hours" when every other phone has "Standby Up to 500hours" At best, the rated hours could be used as a comparison/indicator against other phones.
I'm celebrating two weeks into life with my HD2, and after suffering water damage with my HD which had no effect except to bring battery life down to 8 hours a day, I'm really pleased with my 24-28 hours of battery life.
On days I'm using it a lot, I expect 15 hours. However the other day I barely touched the phone (no calls, no music, no random turning on the screen) and I was on 65% after 24 hours, which I felt was good.
I agree with the OP, their quotes are a joke, but I don't look at specs, I look at reviewers to tell me "I expect a day's life from this phone" etc. when I choose a phone. With a screen this size I don't expect miracles, but again, it does feel like a blatant lie when they suggest the phone can sit for weeks without dying, and i give manufacturers (including HTC) no credit for being economical with the truth to their customers.
My SEX1 used to last a few hours more, having a smaller screen, larger battery, and less than half the processor. They specced same timings, as I said I got a few hours more. I doubt Iphone or any other manufacturer, will spec their device like, Standby time 24hrs, talk time 4 hrs. Who would buy such a device?
Anyway I didn't expect it to last any longer. Good thing is I'm in front of my pc for long hours, no harm in letting the phone plugged in.
Isn't draining the Li-Ion actually shortens the battery life?
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
It's called Business Opportunity
All companies all over the world is like HTC.
Whenever there is a problem, they will direct you to purchase something to "solve" the problem.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : Screen too sensitive
HTC "solution" : special screen protector (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : this, that, this , that,
HTC "solution" : you pay, we gain profit!
That's the real world scenario....
Conclusion : HTC = poor quality product(s) at expensive price.
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I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
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Auto forced shutdown is at 3.6V, which has a lot of margin not to cause damage.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
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Sensible solution: if you want battery life of more than 1-2 days, do not get a smartphone, especially not one that has the fastest processor on the market and a 4.3" screen. And read reviews that will tell you "you'll get 1-2 days" and "it lasts just a bit more than an iphone". I.e. Educate yourself.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
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Sensible solution: Realise you have a large piece of GLASS in front of you, and take care of it as such. Don't drop it, don't sit on it,...
We know how the HD2 behaves. If you read a couple of reviews, you know too. If you now buy it and still complain, there's not much we, or HTC, can do for you.
Since it came up in the thread-that-shall-not-be-derailed, I thought I'd start a new one for discussion. That oft-asked question, "Do lithium ion batteries require break-in?" that I'd considered already answered (no, they don't), has been raised once again by none other than Asus themselves.
In the user guide, they suggest that the TF battery be fully charged (they say 8 hours, which seems crazy to me), then fully discharged/recharged a few times before the battery will attain its optimal usage. Now, I'd not usually be inclined to disagree with the manufacturer, but I've read enough about lithium ion batteries that says it's bad to do full discharges.
So, what's everyone planning to do? What Asus says, or what you normally do? Or both, if applicable.
For anybody who hasn't seen the manual yet, it can be found here:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/EeePAD/TF101/TF101_Full_0418d.pdf
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http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/TF101/TF101_Full_0418d.pdf
heck even my laptop beeps wildly before reaching 5% so ill probably not doa full
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For anybody who hasn't seen the manual yet, it can be found here:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/EeePAD/TF101/TF101_Full_0418d.pdf
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http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/TF101/TF101_Full_0418d.pdf
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Thanks for the links. I tend to do an initial full charge and rundown once out of habit (then many times throughout the life of the product since I fall asleep with it on ) The full 16 hour docked charge could make this a bit more interesting.
I will admit that I have not researched recent rumors that this is no longer necessary and any links on the subject would be greatly appreciated. (I will post my own as I find them.)
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Thanks for the links. I tend to do an initial full charge and rundown once out of habit (then many times throughout the life of the product since I fall asleep with it on ) The full 16 hour docked charge could make this a bit more interesting.
I will admit that I have not researched recent rumors that this is no longer necessary and any links on the subject would be greatly appreciated. (I will post my own as I find them.)
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Ditto, and I've had no ill effect doing this with about 4-5 different notebooks, 6 or 8 different digital cameras / digital SLRs, several cell phones, and goodness knows how many other li-ion based products over the last decade. I always do at least 3 full cycles when I get the product, and then occasional full recharges throughout the remaining life.
I'll be doing it with my Transformer too, and probably would have even if it wasn't mentioned in the manual.
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Ditto, and I've had no ill effect doing this with about 4-5 different notebooks, 6 or 8 different digital cameras / digital SLRs, several cell phones, and goodness knows how many other li-ion based products over the last decade. I always do at least 3 full cycles when I get the product, and then occasional full recharges throughout the remaining life.
I'll be doing it with my Transformer too, and probably would have even if it wasn't mentioned in the manual.
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I do one cycle out of habit but no more purposefully for a full charge/drain.
I am apparently too new to link. So far I have been unable to find any primary sources, but the general information I have gleaned from blogs, wiki, and news articles amounts to:
-The battery in the tf101 is specifically Lithium Polymer.
-The battery does not have "memory" per se, so it is unnecessary to worry about letting it run down or charge fully during normal use.
--BUT, It is still recommended to do the first ~3 cycles of a battery as complete charge/discharges(down to ~5% is recommend in a few places). Charge to full first or it does some unspecified "bad" thing to the battery.
This is all from posts no earlier than 2010 and seems to still be the best practice. If anyone comes across a direct link to a research post or battery manufacturer site I would be grateful for a link. As it stands I am convinced enough to go through the process fully for the Transformer as a part of my first few weeks of use.
Keep in mind that this could be so that Honeycomb behaves optimally, not the battery itself. Similar steps are done after deleting the batterystats.bin file. It's not that the battery needs it, it's the software that interfaces with it that does.
Thanks for all the input. Sounds like while it may or may not be necessary to do a break-in like this, it wouldn't hurt. I'll just try to time mine so the recharges all happen overnight. With a 16-hour battery life, might take some planning.
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If you're about to ask me if I've considered an ssd instead, know this. I may be an idiot, but I'm not that stupid. My IQ may be around 30 or so, but It's just high enough for me to figure out that an ssd is a much better option than an hdd. Jesus christ, stop asking this question already. The reason I've opted to put in an hdd instead of an ssd is because of cost. It cost me about $50 to for a 750GB hdd. An ssd with the same capacity will cost an arm and a leg. Go ahead and look that up.
So, please, if you're going to suggest I use an ssd, consider reading the above paragraph. And if you're going to email me telling me what an idiot I am for using an hdd instead of an ssd (like that turd a couple days ago), then also consider pushing the donate button right below my name so I have enough money to buy an ssd with comparative capacity. Goodness...
People, just because this is the internet doesn't mean everyone else beside you have an IQ of a potato. Get over yourself already.
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I'm making a new thread because this is an entirely different mod than the other one.
So, I've added 2 more battery cells parallel to the other ones, doubling the capacity while maintaining the voltage. in addition, I've also added a 750 GB HDD.
Unlike the other mod, which suffered no deformation, there is a little bit of deformation in this mod. I can still close the netbook form. And if you look, you can see the curvature of the keyboard dock. It's not very noticeable, but if you know it's there you can definitely see it. Here are the pictures. I am currently testing out the battery capacity to see if it's really doubled like it's suppose to. We'll see, I guess.
By the way, while I am very happy with my result, despite the slight deformity to my dock, I definitely recommend against this for anyone else.
Speaking of which, how do I recalibrate the battery indicator? Looks like it's dropping at exactly the same speed as before.
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Speaking of which, how do I recalibrate the battery indicator? Looks like it's dropping at exactly the same speed as before.
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I'm new to tablets, but on my Android phone you can run a app like battery calibration and it deletes batterystat.bin file.
Btw, cool mods I would be really interested in double battery.
maciek82 said:
I'm new to tablets, but on my Android phone you can run a app like battery calibration and it deletes batterystat.bin file.
Btw, cool mods I would be really interested in double battery.
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It only affects the tablet battery. I can't get a definite answer from all my searches how to recalibrate the dock battery.
Aw, the deformation is a no in my book, but I think the mods themselves are awesome. If I tried this, I think I'd go for more batteries because I can't find enough stuff to fill my 32g usd cards anyway.. (or a secret compartment storing unmentionables).
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It only affects the tablet battery. I can't get a definite answer from all my searches how to recalibrate the dock battery.
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Ahhh.... Yes forgot about dock battery. Don't own one
asdfuogh said:
Aw, the deformation is a no in my book, but I think the mods themselves are awesome. If I tried this, I think I'd go for more batteries because I can't find enough stuff to fill my 32g usd cards anyway.. (or a secret compartment storing unmentionables).
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I don't blame you. The deformation is hardly noticeable, but it is there. I'm actually happy with this setup. The slight deformation doesn't bother me. As long as I can still close the netbook form.
Now, if only I could find a way to calibrate the dock battery.
Impressive work! Let us know how long the battery lasts.
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Impressive work! Let us know how long the battery lasts.
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Well, I gotta figure out a way to recalibrate the dock battery first. It's dropping at exactly the same rate as when I only had 2 cells. Can't freakin' figure out how to do this.
By the way, I think I saw that you said your method is more refined and less risky now in another thread; is the method different, or have you refined your skills? If the method is different, could you post a tutorial? I think I might attempt it after I find out if I got into any good grad programs.. (because then I will know whether or not I will have some amount of money to burn for no damn reason ).
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By the way, I think I saw that you said your method is more refined and less risky now in another thread; is the method different, or have you refined your skills?
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Both, actually. Before, I was both stumbling around blind and doing things in not so efficient and safe way. My soldering skills have improved greatly and I have also refined my procedure to involve no risk at all. It's all in the wrist, man.
If the method is different, could you post a tutorial? I think I might attempt it after I find out if I got into any good grad programs.. (because then I will know whether or not I will have some amount of money to burn for no damn reason ).
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Uh... no. This mod voids your warranty. I will take my methods with me to the grave.
PS - Isn't it obvious from the photos?
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Ok, my conscience got the better of me. There is something I left out of the photos. A key ingredient to making this whole mod work. Without this very simple but critical thing that is covered up by other components in the dock, the mod might as well be a piece of brick. It took thousands of hours and millions of dollars of research to figure out this one small piece of modification to make the whole thing work. My dock was sitting there for almost a month dead before I brought it back to life with this thing I'm speaking of.
In other words, don't try this. Trust me, you'll regret it not knowing what this thing I'm talking about is. It took me a whole month to figure out this thing. Thinking back, my goodness, the solution was so simple. And yet it took me a whole month to solve it.
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I just figured out how to make the deformation go away. Damn, why didn't I think of this before. I'm too lazy now to open it up and apply the fix.
Are you not worried about charging two separate battery cells without a load balancing charger? At least from the RC world, this is a big negative. Fire can be no fun.
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Are you not worried about charging two separate battery cells without a load balancing charger? At least from the RC world, this is a big negative. Fire can be no fun.
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Exactly why I just took it apart again to redo my setup. Will update on my progress later.
Ho ho ho, just figured out a safe way to connect the bats. Too late now. Will do it tomorrow.
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Are you not worried about charging two separate battery cells without a load balancing charger? At least from the RC world, this is a big negative. Fire can be no fun.
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Exactly right, lion/lipo batteries need to be balanced in charge otherwise you will burn out the batteries and in extreme cases, BURN the batteries.
Having said that, many/most of the lipo batteries I have worked with in electronics have balancing circuits per "cell" so in reality you can simply add them like any battery and they take care of themselves. If lipo batteries were purchased without that circuit, then they are very cheap to buy and add as well.
I havent cracked the transformer, and dont plan to because the stock battery life is plenty for me; however, I have increased the battery capacity on several laptops, and other types of devices, and the first key is to ensure the cells are balanced before connecting them together, then ensuring you have a balancing circuit to EACH cell otherwise over time they will come out of balance (normal use and internal resistance). Once you have done those two things, you can connect them and use them.
Now, the other point is the meters. I have no idea about the transformer but most battery meters work simply on the voltage on the batteries and assume the discharge in a linear fashion. This is rarely true for batteries, but it is simple, cheap and gives you an idea about how much power you have left. Sometimes this is error is covered by software that "maps" the battery discharge rate and gives you a "real" battery left level. So to the point of all that paragraph, once you balance the batteries, connect them and run through a few full charge/discharge cycles, you will likely find that the meter will catch up.
A point of caution, the word "cell" does not refer to a nicely packaged lipo battery with two wires. A cell is a single constructed unit that is usually 3.7v in the lipo world (different chemistries of batteries will have different voltages). If you added a pair of 3.7v (1s1p) batteries in parellel with a pair of 7v batteries (2s1p) you could really confuse the battery meters.
Enjoy the mod, I love reading about them..
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Interesting stuff, makes me wish I had the tools (especially a soldering iron) and more desk space, just to see what experiments could be had with this device.
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lrissman said:
Exactly right, lion/lipo batteries need to be balanced in charge otherwise you will burn out the batteries and in extreme cases, BURN the batteries.
Having said that, many/most of the lipo batteries I have worked with in electronics have balancing circuits per "cell" so in reality you can simply add them like any battery and they take care of themselves. If lipo batteries were purchased without that circuit, then they are very cheap to buy and add as well.
I havent cracked the transformer, and dont plan to because the stock battery life is plenty for me; however, I have increased the battery capacity on several laptops, and other types of devices, and the first key is to ensure the cells are balanced before connecting them together, then ensuring you have a balancing circuit to EACH cell otherwise over time they will come out of balance (normal use and internal resistance). Once you have done those two things, you can connect them and use them.
Now, the other point is the meters. I have no idea about the transformer but most battery meters work simply on the voltage on the batteries and assume the discharge in a linear fashion. This is rarely true for batteries, but it is simple, cheap and gives you an idea about how much power you have left. Sometimes this is error is covered by software that "maps" the battery discharge rate and gives you a "real" battery left level. So to the point of all that paragraph, once you balance the batteries, connect them and run through a few full charge/discharge cycles, you will likely find that the meter will catch up.
A point of caution, the word "cell" does not refer to a nicely packaged lipo battery with two wires. A cell is a single constructed unit that is usually 3.7v in the lipo world (different chemistries of batteries will have different voltages). If you added a pair of 3.7v (1s1p) batteries in parellel with a pair of 7v batteries (2s1p) you could really confuse the battery meters.
Enjoy the mod, I love reading about them..
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I just redid the mod. Unfortunately, it was 3am and I forgot to take pictures before I closed up the dock. But basically what I did was charged both batteries up to 100% and connected them in parallel as is with their balancing circuits. Before, I took the cells out and added them to the circuit of the other one. This time I kept the circuits and added the circuits together.
It seems to work. The new battery pack is recognized. We'll see what happens later.
Here is a picture to give you an idea.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38673648/pictures/picsay-1324448610.jpg
Can you leave out the hard drive and put two extra batteries?
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yalkowni said:
Can you leave out the hard drive and put two extra batteries?
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Why?
I'd rather have more storage.
If I were to send you my dock and money to buy supplies and labor
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As the title suggests will Turbo Charging damage the lifespan of the battery?
I have never had a fast charging phone like this before (Still don't -Yet lol), it seems amazing but surely it must damage the battery lifespan. It can't be good to charge it via the Turbo Charger everyday could it? Are we meant to charge it via Turbo Charger everyday or only when needed type of thing.
Sorry if these questions seem daft they probably are but I am going to search the internet but most of the times you can get better answers on here and people can talk from experience.
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See Joe Levi's article on Pocketnow.com about this. No it won't harm the battery at all. The new tech is better.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
See Joe Levi's article on Pocketnow.com about this. No it won't harm the battery at all. The new tech is better.
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Wikid article explained it very very well. Thanks for the heads up. [emoji106]
I reccomend everyone else who was concerned like me to read it too ...
http://m.pocketnow.com/2014/12/25/speed-chargers
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Doesn't quickcharge also only kick in when the battery is <25% or something?
Here is a quote from the article :
"Will this shorten the expected lifespan of the battery? Probably not, thanks to the extra intelligence in the charging circuit."
So the answer to the question started by the OP is MAYBE.
Not too convincing to me.
I think it's a lame excuse to place a smaller battery in the phone in an attempt to get us all to buy a new phone more often so as to keep the manufacturer in the black...money wise that is!
I never use these fast/turbo chargers and the phone charges just fine, and stays cool besides.
@jaseman ... the thing is I'm happy with a maybe as I thought it was a deffo yes that it damages battery. (I hope that makes sense lol)
But yeah agree 100% all manufactures limit their devices otherwise there would be no need for people to upgrade. Guess its logical from their view.
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If Turbo Charge were an issue. I think we would be seeing many complaints and warnings from users of existing Moto products that already have it.
And anyone with concerns, simply use a regular charger.
Regardless of Turbo Charge or not, the best advice for battery longevity is to charge as often as possible - meaning several charges from 50%+ is better than one 0%+ charge cycle.
I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money.
"I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money."
Just the opposite! They want the battery to go bad! It is non-end-user-replaceable. So either you pay to get a new battery installed (which very few people do) or you buy a NEW phone (which everyone is more than happy to do quite often).
It's like the argument over why no manufacturer ever seems to make the perfect phone? (subjective of course)
If they made the perfect phone you wouldn't feel the need to BUY ANOTHER NEW PHONE every few months!
There is NO PROFIT in selling the perfect phone. So instead of giving us great battery life, they give us a gimmick called quick charge, or rapid charge, or better yet...killer charge!
jaseman said:
"I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money."
Just the opposite! They want the battery to go bad! It is non-end-user-replaceable. So either you pay to get a new battery installed (which very few people do) or you buy a NEW phone (which everyone is more than happy to do quite often).
It's like the argument over why no manufacturer ever seems to make the perfect phone? (subjective of course)
If they made the perfect phone you wouldn't feel the need to BUY ANOTHER NEW PHONE every few months!
There is NO PROFIT in selling the perfect phone. So instead of giving us great battery life, they give us a gimmick called quick charge, or rapid charge, or better yet...killer charge!
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What % of people buy a new phone every few months compared to every year or 2? Like 1% to 99%? You think HTC, Sony or Nokia would rather have their cell phone divisions go under than make the "perfect" phone?
Not to mention, a perfect phone now would not be a perfect phone in 1-2 years with new technology.