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Good Afternoon All,
Do you think it may be possible that we can get root access without unlocking the bootloader - I'm a little reluctant to unlock the bootloader because of the QFuse blowing.
The QFuse does not blow when you unlock or relock the bootloader. Many reviews and Android news sites spouted that nonsense without having tried it. There are many screenshots of Google CSRs saying that they don't know what the QFuse is for, but unlocking the bootloader/rooting/alterring software is fine as long as it's not so bricked you can't reflash stock images before sending it in to them.
Link to a thread discussing this issue.
Scyntherei said:
The QFuse does not blow when you unlock or relock the bootloader. Many reviews and Android news sites spouted that nonsense without having tried it. There are many screenshots of Google CSRs saying that they don't know what the QFuse is for, but unlocking the bootloader/rooting/alterring software is fine as long as it's not so bricked you can't reflash stock images before sending it in to them.
Link to a thread discussing this issue.
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+1 the QFuse status didn't change when unlocking the bootloader. The media exaggerated about the qfuse and nothing has happened. Everything about the phone still works properly.
Thanks very much, I wasn't aware of this, I should read more. Awesome news.
But to answer the first question.
Very few people put in effort to root a phone with an unlocked bootloader, not matter what fuses are blown.
A phone with an unlocked bootloader has root by default.
Swatto86 said:
Good Afternoon All,
Do you think it may be possible that we can get root access without unlocking the bootloader - I'm a little reluctant to unlock the bootloader because of the QFuse blowing.
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last i read you have to flash a kernel in order to root the phone therefore you need to unlock the bootloader to do so, i would like to just root myself but i don't know if you can.
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
Why people are afraid to unlock the bootloader? Nexus devices don't lose the warranty when you unlock it, you can also lock it again.
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PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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No
PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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The answer is no.
To do what you want, someone would need to develop and exploit.
There is no motivation to do that when all one has to do is unlock the bootloader.
On phones where a bootloader unlock exists, root methods require unlocking the bootloader.
This is to install a custom recovery so yiou can flash SU.
Unlocked bootloader = root, no matter what.
You will need to invest the time and backup your device.
@TS, did you read the unlock/root guide in general section? It clearly states you need an unlocked bootloader + custom recovery to root your device..
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I think this should be possible now with Quadrooter vulnerabilities?
sushah23 said:
I think this should be possible now with Quadrooter vulnerabilities?
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DOA.
But nobody is going to put in time and effort.
What is the point? Unlock the bootloader and flash. It does not void the warranty.
There is even a defined method to get the monthly security update.
With the exploit, it will only work until the next OTA patches it.
I was hoping to root without unlocking the boot loader also. I am definitely not willing to do this since I believe that is what wrecked my previous 6P. It was fine until I used Nexus Root toolkit. I unlocked the boot loader, installed TWRP and rooted then minutes after this the phone locked up, rebooted and was stuck in a permanent boot loop. I couldn't get into recovery or even install any recovery. That phone is currently at the Huawei repair center in Texas and they are sending me a new device. They believe the internal ROM failed and I have suspicions of everything I did with the Toolkit did this. I am afraid to try it on my current 6P that I got from a friend. I have no root now and the phone is massively stable. 400+ hours uptime with no reboot and no slowdowns. But if I were able to root with no unlocking of the boot loader or installing any custom recovery I probably would do it. I hate that I am scared to do all that again with this other phone haha. Sorry for sounding paranoid but ****, see where am I coming from?
LiquidAlloy said:
I was hoping to root without unlocking the boot loader also. I am definitely not willing to do this since I believe that is what wrecked my previous 6P. It was fine until I used Nexus Root toolkit. I unlocked the boot loader, installed TWRP and rooted then minutes after this the phone locked up, rebooted and was stuck in a permanent boot loop. I couldn't get into recovery or even install any recovery. That phone is currently at the Huawei repair center in Texas and they are sending me a new device. They believe the internal ROM failed and I have suspicions of everything I did with the Toolkit did this. I am afraid to try it on my current 6P that I got from a friend. I have no root now and the phone is massively stable. 400+ hours uptime with no reboot and no slowdowns. But if I were able to root with no unlocking of the boot loader or installing any custom recovery I probably would do it. I hate that I am scared to do all that again with this other phone haha. Sorry for sounding paranoid but ****, see where am I coming from?
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As good as toolkits are, put in the extra time and avoid using them because you are never in full control of what is being done to your device. Take a little extra time and learn adb and fastboot. It's actually really simple and you can get so much done without the need for using a toolkit.
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As good as toolkits are, put in the extra time and avoid using them because you are never in full control of what is being done to your device. Take a little extra time and learn adb and fastboot. It's actually really simple and you can get so much done without the need for using a toolkit.
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I have tried that only a few times. I understand what you're saying. I guess convenience can be more destructive. :/
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I have tried that only a few times. I understand what you're saying. I guess convenience can be more destructive. :/
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In all honesty it's not even more convenient. Once you've used the command line you'll never go back to a toolkit. It's actually easier, much faster and you have way more control over what you do.
PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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Use Helium app for individual apps backup. Worked great to backup a few apps/data when I changed from one Nexus 6P to another. Might be a bit buggy to get working to get the backup, but after that everything is fine.
you can do it with KINGROOT
Hi There,
My colleague complained that he had an OTA update on his Nexus 6P and the after the update it was stuck in a boot loop where the Google logo keep on displaying.
When he bought back, he had showed it a shop already which they said they couldn't fix. However, the phone was later given to me for help and I have somehow manage to connect the device on fastboot and adb. Tried all the possible options such as unlocking the bootloader, loading .img's one by one... sideloading... etc.
No matter what I do, it keeps on doing the same boot loop. And when I leave the bootloader unlocked, it gives an error at first, then again goes back to the same.
Not sure whether what I am doing wrong or whether am I choosing the wrong build or so... would anyone care to advise?
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Hi There,
My colleague complained that he had an OTA update on his Nexus 6P and the after the update it was stuck in a boot loop where the Google logo keep on displaying.
When he bought back, he had showed it a shop already which they said they couldn't fix. However, the phone was later given to me for help and I have somehow manage to connect the device on fastboot and adb. Tried all the possible options such as unlocking the bootloader, loading .img's one by one... sideloading... etc.
No matter what I do, it keeps on doing the same boot loop. And when I leave the bootloader unlocked, it gives an error at first, then again goes back to the same.
Not sure whether what I am doing wrong or whether am I choosing the wrong build or so... would anyone care to advise?
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So the bootloader is unlocked? Exactly which build have you attempted to flash with fastboot? Have you tried flashing one of the full OTA zips with the stock recovery?
PS. Whatever you do don't lock the bootloader. And don't worry about the warning you get with the bootloader unlocked, that's normal.
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So the bootloader is unlocked? Exactly which build have you attempted to flash with fastboot? Have you tried flashing one of the full OTA zips with the stock recovery?
PS. Whatever you do don't lock the bootloader. And don't worry about the warning you get with the bootloader unlocked, that's normal.
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Thank you for the reply.. I have only locked the bootloader when I'm done with flashing... etc as it was giving me error. Regardless of the bootloader state, it kept on going through the bootloop like it didn't care.
I tried to flashing the factory image which is MTC19T and also tried the OTA which is MTC19V as said in here.
Still there's not luck!
.G33K said:
Thank you for the reply.. I have only locked the bootloader when I'm done with flashing... etc as it was giving me error. Regardless of the bootloader state, it kept on going through the bootloop like it didn't care.
I tried to flashing the factory image which is MTC19T and also tried the OTA which is MTC19V as said in here.
Still there's not luck!
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Don't worry about the warning and definitely don't lock the bootloader because if it gets stuck locked you'll really be screwed. Go to my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
Follow the instructions in section 10 (use the latest MTC19X build). Skip the part at the beginning about performing a factory reset because you can't actually get the phone to boot to do that. Make sure you include the "fastboot format userdata" command at the end (this will erase all data on the device). Leave the bootloader unlocked.
Heisenberg said:
Don't worry about the warning and definitely don't lock the bootloader because if it gets stuck locked you'll really be screwed. Go to my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
Follow the instructions in section 10 (use the latest MTC19X build). Skip the part at the beginning about performing a factory reset because you can't actually get the phone to boot to do that. Make sure you include the "fastboot format userdata" command at the end (this will erase all data on the device). Leave the bootloader unlocked.
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I have actually tried doing what section 10 says but with a different stock build.. Does that effect as well? However, let me give another shot with your said build and post back.
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I have actually tried doing what section 10 says but with a different stock build.. Does that effect as well? However, let me give another shot with your said build and post back.
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Did you format userdata? It's worth a try.
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Did you format userdata? It's worth a try.
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Yes, sire! I did all the possible things I could do without harming or bricking the device... Read each and every instruction carefully to do... but turned with no luck... however, I'm due to try the method and build you have suggested, I shall try that and get back to you!
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Yes, sire! I did all the possible things I could do without harming or bricking the device... Read each and every instruction carefully to do... but turned with no luck... however, I'm due to try the method and build you have suggested, I shall try that and get back to you!
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It probably won't work, any build should work, but it's worth a try. If that fails I can only suggest flashing TWRP recovery and trying to flash a custom ROM to see if that works.
So long as you have the bootloader.img and radio.img files, you can try to format boot as well, however Heisenberg may yell at me for even typing that
I had a similar issue - bootloop, but it was getting to the boot animation for about 3 seconds, then rebooting. When I formatted all the areas before flashing them from the stock image, it allowed me to boot up as normal. Stable ever since.
Hi There,
Coming back to the issue, I have just downloaded the build that was suggested by "Heisenberg" and tried it. It was still the same, as in the Google logo keep on flashing but the android bot just appeared once with the logo. But still there not luck as the device stays with Google logo but does nothing.
However, I'm able to see the device on fastboot. Nevertheless, I cannot seem to use adb command.. it doesn't even list on devices. Does that mean the adb isn't working?
Meanwhile, all my fastboot commands are working with no issues at all.
EDIT: When I tried the TWRP recovery, I can flash the recover, but I can seem to go to the recovery window at all as the device keep on showing "The device software can't be checked for corruption". When I pass that also the same boot loop.
I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
bcjk8210 said:
I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
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Unfortunately yes. Unless you enabled OEM Unlocking in the developers menu before your phone went sideways you probably have a hard bricked phone. Is it under warranty?
I went through this in November with a completely stock Nexus 6P. I was 3 days past my one year warranty! Google would not send me a new phone. It was completely bricked by the OTA update I received! I was put in touch with Huawei. I had to send the bricked phone to them. 10 days later I received a working model back. Unacceptable that an OTA update trashes a one year old $650 phone. Luckily I had my OnePlus One still, and was able to use that while I waited. I was even able to update that to 7.1.1 since it was rooted. Obviously there is some sort of issue that we are not being told of regarding the dangers of accepting OTA updates on a stock/bootlocked phone.
TemplesOfSyrinx said:
I went through this in November with a completely stock Nexus 6P. I was 3 days past my one year warranty! Google would not send me a new phone. It was completely bricked by the OTA update I received! I was put in touch with Huawei. I had to send the bricked phone to them. 10 days later I received a working model back. Unacceptable that an OTA update trashes a one year old $650 phone. Luckily I had my OnePlus One still, and was able to use that while I waited. I was even able to update that to 7.1.1 since it was rooted. Obviously there is some sort of issue that we are not being told of regarding the dangers of accepting OTA updates on a stock/bootlocked phone.
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Bootloop issues are common on the 6P even with custom ROMs--it just happens to be much more likely you can recover with the custom ROMs installed since the bootloader is unlocked. I think it's a hardware issue with the 6P rather than an OTA issue. It's probably not an accident that Huawei didn't make the Pixels.
Doesn't seem right that I have to "void" my warranty and install a custom ROM on an unlocked, rooted phone in order to recover from a hardware defect. That's BS pure and simple. I want to use the latest software, that's why I bought a Nexus. I want to use all the conveniences like Android Pay. That's why I don't unlock or root anymore. I rooted every Android phone I ever had until now, starting with the original Motorola Droid. Now that security is so important to Google, and you can't use all the Android features with an unlocked bootloader, they need to step up to fix these problems.
This happened to my wife's phone, sent back to Bell. Will see what happens.
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Doesn't seem right that I have to "void" my warranty and install a custom ROM on an unlocked, rooted phone in order to recover from a hardware defect. That's BS pure and simple. I want to use the latest software, that's why I bought a Nexus. I want to use all the conveniences like Android Pay. That's why I don't unlock or root anymore. I rooted every Android phone I ever had until now, starting with the original Motorola Droid. Now that security is so important to Google, and you can't use all the Android features with an unlocked bootloader, they need to step up to fix these problems.
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Unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on the Nexus 6P. If you are under warranty then just RMA the phone if an OTA bootloops your phone. It's your choice whether to keep the bootloader locked or not but if you keep the bootloader locked it's probably impossible to recover from a bootloop. Google keeps factory images for Nexus and Pixel phones on its website but you can't flash those images with a locked bootloader. Why would they provide the images if using them voided your warranty?
You are missing my point. If I unlock my bootloader so I can recover from a boot loop that may happen, I will no longer be able to use a huge feature of the phone. Android Pay will no longer function. In days passed the rumour was your warranty was void if you unlock. I assume that was started to keep people from doing it. All I know is I paid good money for a phone that is a disaster waiting to happen it seems.
If having an unlocked bootloader is so important to recover from a bricked phone, why do they lock it in the first place? And why won't Android Pay work with it unlocked? The answer is that you no longer have a secure phone if you unlock the bootloader.
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I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
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What Android version you had on your phone? What's your emmc name and ram name in bootloader? What's the manufacturing date in bootloader?
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You are missing my point. If I unlock my bootloader so I can recover from a boot loop that may happen, I will no longer be able to use a huge feature of the phone. Android Pay will no longer function. In days passed the rumour was your warranty was void if you unlock. I assume that was started to keep people from doing it. All I know is I paid good money for a phone that is a disaster waiting to happen it seems.
If having an unlocked bootloader is so important to recover from a bricked phone, why do they lock it in the first place? And why won't Android Pay work with it unlocked? The answer is that you no longer have a secure phone if you unlock the bootloader.
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I think you bought the wrong phone. Nexus devices were never available commercially through carriers and were made for developers and people who like to flash things with their phones. There are ways to use Android Pay with an unlocked bootloader if you are so inclined. You are right that an unlocked bootloader is considered less secure but if you only install apps from Google Play or another trusted source you shouldn't have problems. You can also simply enable allow Oem Unlock in the developer menu. This doesn't actually unlock your bootloader but makes it possible for you to unlock it via fastboot if you get bootlooped and need to flash a factory image to restore. This way you can unlock the bootloader in an emergency but your phone is still secure. I think this should be enabled by default when the phones are shipped. Too many people with locked bootloaders end up with hard bricked phones where the Nexus 6P is concerned. Honestly, you would probably be better off selling your Nexus and getting something else that's more stable and made for people who have no Interest in flashing anything.
It seems that Google has turned it's back on devs a bit more. Tons of people are having this issue, as I was finally tweaking around and could never get safetynet working. Turns out I got an early taste of Google's rollout yesterday.
Happening to me as well. Both on my 5x and N6 that used to work. Locking the bootloader (I'm not rooted) will now wipe the phone, right?
I have a completely stock 5X. The only modification is an unlocked bootloader. When I installed the 7.1.1 DP update yesterday, Android Pay quit working. I tried to pay for an Uber ride using Android Pay and it failed. I assume the same is true for trying to use Android Pay via NFC in stores.
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Minker17 said:
Happening to me as well. Both on my 5x and N6 that used to work. Locking the bootloader (I'm not rooted) will now wipe the phone, right?
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Unlocking the bootloader wipes the device. Locking does not.
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-unlock-nexus-5x-bootloader
I've seen reports that it started wiping a few versions ago. This is for a 6p, but have seen others. Does it just not apply to the 5x?
https://plus.google.com/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/49VyN48ixDp
I relocked my bootloader yesterday, it does now cause a factory reset. It will also cause bricking to happen if you have a modified system, recovery or boot partition, recommend practice would be to flash a factory image before relocking if you have rooted or used twrp etc.
If you do go ahead also remember to back up anything you have on your storage first.
It was only a matter of time before they started doing stuff like this... I didn't know they were really that worried about nfc payments yet.
Minker17 said:
I've seen reports that it started wiping a few versions ago. This is for a 6p, but have seen others. Does it just not apply to the 5x?
https://plus.google.com/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/49VyN48ixDp
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I think the previous guy is confused. On 5x, t has been forcing a factory reset during lock since at least MHC19J if not since the beginning.
On older phones it didn't force factory reset during lock, only unlock, so I think many people are just going by memory and probably never relocked on 5x.
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I think the previous guy is confused. On 5x, t has been forcing a factory reset during lock since at least MHC19J if not since the beginning.
On older phones it didn't force factory reset during lock, only unlock, so I think many people are just going by memory and probably never relocked on 5x.
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That's correct. I just relocked mine last night and I had to do a factory reset.
So, I installed the 7.1 preview a few days back without rooting or anything else, can I safely just relock bootloader to get android pay working again?
I was on the 7.0 factory image before hand, again, unrooted and stock recovery
Mikey F said:
So, I installed the 7.1 preview a few days back without rooting or anything else, can I safely just relock bootloader to get android pay working again?
I was on the 7.0 factory image before hand, again, unrooted and stock recovery
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Yes, but be aware locking or unlocking your bootloader will wipe your device.
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Yes, but be aware locking or unlocking your bootloader will wipe your device.
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OK cool, yes I'm aware it will wipe the phone, I'm prepared for that.
The Flash's kernel now had a fix for that bootloader check.
Try it and see if it works for you before locking the bootloader. It is easier to flash a boot.img than it is to format.
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The Flash's kernel now had a fix for that bootloader check.
Try it and see if it works for you before locking the bootloader. It is easier to flash a boot.img than it is to format.
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So flashing the flash's kernel means android pay should work with unlocked bootloader?
With flash or Franco kernel I pass safetynet helper. So I am assuming it will work with pay, I don't have any cards at up atm to try.
Edit. Just enrolled a card and all good.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/24/android-pay-is-coming-to-hundreds-of-thousands-more-websites/
It's a losing battle imo. Either root or use banking and ap. No reason to try both. It's just frustrating.
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Wait. Just so I'm clear, unlocking the bootloader alone will break Android Pay? I typically unlock my bootloader as soon as I get a new phone, mainly so I can manually flash images, but I don't root or flash custom recovery. It's be really annoying to lose that option.
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Yeah I think I'm going to just back up and relock my bootloader, android pay, once I'd started using it, became really handy
Don't use Android pay! Don't use any of those features. It's the only way to let Google know this is too far!
Same for SafetyNet.
It's MY device, so I want to decide how to use it. Therefor I won't use any app that forces me to lock bootloader, unroot, or whatsoever.
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Don't use Android pay! Don't use any of those features. It's the only way to let Google know this is too far!
Same for SafetyNet.
It's MY device, so I want to decide how to use it. Therefor I won't use any app that forces me to lock bootloader, unroot, or whatsoever.
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That's fine and your decision, but AP is Google's service and they can operate how they want with what security features they want. And with lots of banks & lots of money on the line, you better believe it Google needs to ensure as much security as they can with it.
Bright.Light said:
Don't use Android pay! Don't use any of those features. It's the only way to let Google know this is too far!
Same for SafetyNet.
It's MY device, so I want to decide how to use it. Therefor I won't use any app that forces me to lock bootloader, unroot, or whatsoever.
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Entirely your call, but working in the computer repair business, I deal with a lot of end users that have been done over by malware and ransomware, so any efforts to stop that are welcome. I'm happy to be able to use android pay at the cost of a more secure phone, so I'll be relocking my boot loader when I'm home from holiday
I'm getting a 6p for Christmas and I have a question.
Say the 6p is on Marshmallow, and I decide to unlock the bootloader (just that, no root or anything) on MM. Will I be able to update to 7.1.1 via ota (no I don't want to sideload or flash) without issues? Or is there a process to it like updating bootloader, vendor, radio or whatever else. Or does the Ota file contain the updated boot.img and vendor etc.
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I'm getting a 6p for Christmas and I have a question.
Say the 6p is on Marshmallow, and I decide to unlock the bootloader (just that, no root or anything) on MM. Will I be able to update to 7.1.1 via ota (no I don't want to sideload or flash) without issues? Or is there a process to it like updating bootloader, vendor, radio or whatever else. Or does the Ota file contain the updated boot.img and vendor etc.
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Yes, you can unlock then update via OTA. OTAs patch every partition permitted there are no modifications done to system and boot.
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ricbaez said:
I'm getting a 6p for Christmas and I have a question.
Say the 6p is on Marshmallow, and I decide to unlock the bootloader (just that, no root or anything) on MM. Will I be able to update to 7.1.1 via ota (no I don't want to sideload or flash) without issues? Or is there a process to it like updating bootloader, vendor, radio or whatever else. Or does the Ota file contain the updated boot.img and vendor etc.
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Why would you want to unlock the bootloader if you don't intend to root or install a custom recovery? I don't understand what the benefit is.
jhs39 said:
Why would you want to unlock the bootloader if you don't intend to root or install a custom recovery? I don't understand what the benefit is.
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I actually intend to install megapixel rom
jhs39 said:
Why would you want to unlock the bootloader if you don't intend to root or install a custom recovery? I don't understand what the benefit is.
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@ricbaez
No disrespect, but I would say why would you NOT unlock the bootloader on a Nexus? Especially when you first get the phone because unlocking wipes it. Unlocking the bootloader allows you to use MANY more tools in the event your phone boot loops or becomes unresponsive. There are dozens of threads where people are completely screwed because they did NOT unlock the bootloader and so cannot salvage their device with ADB/Fastboot. If you bought a Nexus, one of the selling points is that Google ALLOWS the owner to unlock the bootloader right in the Dev Options! Even if the OP is not going to root or install a custom recovery, if he/she does not unlock the bootloader, they are going to be S.O.L. if the phone won't boot. There are many examples of this since Google has gone to the monthly security OTA's and updates. Or... simply put, if you are unlocked you can flash full Google images and use ADB/Fastboot. If you are locked, you can only sideload an OTA with the stock recovery and that hasn't been working out well for so many people here on XDA.
To the OP. Recommend you unlock your bootloader first thing which will wipe the phone and start you out fresh. Unlocking the bootloader will not prevent you from receiving OTA's. Make sure your Google login works properly. Login. Logout. Login. Then do whatever the F you want with your phone, knowing you will have serious options to recover in the event things go south for any reason. Next would be installing TWRP. Good luck!
v12xke said:
@ricbaez
No disrespect, but I would say why would you NOT unlock the bootloader on a Nexus? Especially when you first get the phone because unlocking wipes it. Unlocking the bootloader allows you to use MANY more tools in the event your phone boot loops or becomes unresponsive. There are dozens of threads where people are completely screwed because they did NOT unlock the bootloader and so cannot salvage their device with ADB/Fastboot. If you bought a Nexus, one of the selling points is that Google ALLOWS the owner to unlock the bootloader right in the Dev Options! Even if the OP is not going to root or install a custom recovery, if he/she does not unlock the bootloader, they are going to be S.O.L. if the phone won't boot. There are many examples of this since Google has gone to the monthly security OTA's and updates. Or... simply put, if you are unlocked you can flash full Google images and use ADB/Fastboot. If you are locked, you can only sideload an OTA with the stock recovery and that hasn't been working out well for so many people here on XDA.
To the OP. Recommend you unlock your bootloader first thing which will wipe the phone and start you out fresh. Unlocking the bootloader will not prevent you from receiving OTA's. Make sure your Google login works properly. Login. Logout. Login. Then do whatever the F you want with your phone, knowing you will have serious options to recover in the event things go south for any reason. Next would be installing TWRP. Good luck!
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You are right. I wasn't aware that people were having boot loop issues on phones running stock Android but that apparently is the case. But as long as USB Debugging and Allow OEM Unlock are ticked in the developer options you should be able to unlock the bootloader later through ADB if you need to. I assumed the warning about my phone being insecure since my bootloader is unlocked that pops up every time I boot was there for a reason. There is no security issue created by unlocking your bootloader?
jhs39 said:
You are right. I wasn't aware that people were having boot loop issues on phones running stock Android but that apparently is the case. But as long as USB Debugging and Allow OEM Unlock are ticked in the developer options you should be able to unlock the bootloader later through ADB if you need to. I assumed the warning about my phone being insecure since my bootloader is unlocked that pops up every time I boot was there for a reason. There is no security issue created by unlocking your bootloader?
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It's cool, and I respect your decision to stay locked if you decide that is best for you. I suppose you could set Allow OEM unlock in Dev settings AND USB debugging in USB just in case, but if for some reason you could not boot, unlocking bootloader would then wipe userdata and your backups would be gone before you could transfer them off. In the end it's up to the individual to choose security vs, recoverability. Many ppl are getting locked out of their phones in the interest of security (or just the default settings). As it turns out, they were just trying to perform a monthly security update and hosed their phone. Stock rom, stock recovery, unrooted. Every Nexus phone I've owned (Galaxy?) has been unlocked so that I could use all the tools available to get myself out of a bind if needed. I don't give a sh!t about the boot up warning, because I know that my nandroid and FF backups can get me back home in the event of a lockup. Unlocking will not stop you from receiving OTA's if you are stock. Even if you are not, unlocking will allow you to use ADB, custom recoveries, toolkits, etc. If you end up in a bootloop and your bootloader is locked you are S.O.L. plain and simple. Each to their own though... if you need encryption and value high security of your data over recoverability then you may want to stay bootloader locked. As owners of a Nexus phone we have that option. Many others do not. Cheers my friend!
Thank you guys everything was successful, unlocked it in no time, downloaded 7.1.1 and it's perfect. NOw time to flash twrp and MegaPixel Rom
Hi there,
I found there is a thread describing how to root the US/Chinese model without unlocking the bootloader -
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/wip-axon-7-root-bootloader-unlokced-t3441204
However it mentions that this'll brick the European model because of the included TWRP version and unfortunately I'm on a ZTE A2017GV1.0.0B08 (Android 6.0.1, Kernel 3.18.20).
Is there any news if this can be done now with the international variant -
I'm not interested in a custom ROM or updating Android, I'm happy at the moment with the 6.0.1 version I have, but really would like root for xposed framework, Titanium, Tasker ...
Is there a different TWRP version that can be used or is it not working due to the ZTE's signature key used?
Alternatively is there a way for the A2017G to re-lock the bootloader that's 100% working/safe, if you don't apply a custom ROM?
Thanks a lot for your help!
The answer you will find here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3441204
This is the way I did it with my first A7
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Hi.
It didn't really answer the question : Is unlocking necessary to root, or can we root without unlocking ?
Every tutorials founds all follows the same paths : Unlock first, then root. But why ? is there a reason for that, or is it just a "since i'm rooting, let's unlock it while i'm at it" thing ?
(edit : Sorry 4 my english ... i hope i've been clear enough)
marcus.linkenbach said:
The answer you will find here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3441204
This is the way I did it with my first A7
sent from zte axon 7 with tapatalk
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Hallo Marcus
Danke fuer die Antwort -
Maybe I didn't fully comprehend the thread - I was under the impression that it bricked some A2017G, while not others and didn't want to take the risk.
Reading through the instructions - which of these steps did you take (and in what order)?
I read it that you do not need to flash TWRP? So can I just root the phone without bricking it and all is good as long as I stay with my 6.0.1 B08 version?
I understand the instructions as
- boot into edl
- install Qualcomm driver
- run axon7root to already root the device (backup seems to be done in the next step?! according to instructions).
However there is no axon7root version for the A2017G (B08) as it was removed due to TWRP?!
All I can find is the axon7backup tool (would you actually do this before you run the axon7root the first time?)
If you run the axon7root, did you do 'axon7root.exe -p 4 -b'
so that it only flashes the boot.img (not TWRP recovery) and therefore this is safe?
Sorry for the long essay, help is really appreciated!
Hey, sorry for the delay.
I am quite busy. I really don't know the procedere anymore. It is a long time ago. But if you would give me some time, I will have a look on it and will let you know. But why won't you unlock your bootloader? Without unlocking not everything runs as it should with unlocked BL.
OK. I will let you know.
Marcus
Sn8K said:
Hi.
It didn't really answer the question : Is unlocking necessary to root, or can we root without unlocking ?
Every tutorials founds all follows the same paths : Unlock first, then root. But why ? is there a reason for that, or is it just a "since i'm rooting, let's unlock it while i'm at it" thing ?
(edit : Sorry 4 my english ... i hope i've been clear enough)
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Theoretically, yes, you can root w/o unlocking the bootloader. This is how things are done typically with certain manufacturers (LG, Samsung) that rarely offer BL unlocking. To be able to flash TWRP on a locked BL is even more difficult, as it would require a BL-level exploit. The reason that's not an option here is the ability to unlock, which precludes such development.
Hi Marcus,
Thanks a lot, that would be really great.
Regarding Bootloader unlock - I didn't buy the phone in the EU, hence my warranty would be void if I unlock it. And my warranty even comes with screen replacement (not that I ever cracked a screen, but there's always a first).
I have to admit that I'm tempted by Lineage OS, but for now (as I just bought the phone) - if there's a reasonably safe way to root without unlock, I'd prefer to just root and then maybe in a year's time or so switch to Lineage OS...
For now I managed to have my phone recognized as QUSB_BULK and I can boot into edl.
I was trying to use the axon7toolkit (1.1.1), but for whatever reason I cannot use it in commandline mode (maybe as there seem to be different versions, or maybe cause I am on Win7 32bit, no idea).
Any help would be really great!
Hi jeboo, Hi Sn8k,
Hope above explained my motivation, regarding root without unlocking - there's a thread about this
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/wip-axon-7-root-bootloader-unlokced-t3441204
HOWEVER there are two problems:
1) The bootloader can stay locked as it's using a signed version of TWRP, which can brick your device (A2017G)
2) The linked axon7root.exe is not for my device (A2017G B08).
Having said that, some users have been successful with rooting this version, so there seems to be a way, if you get the steps right.
Whoooo? said:
Hi Marcus,
Thanks a lot, that would be really great.
Regarding Bootloader unlock - I didn't buy the phone in the EU, hence my warranty would be void if I unlock it. And my warranty even comes with screen replacement (not that I ever cracked a screen, but there's always a first).
I have to admit that I'm tempted by Lineage OS, but for now (as I just bought the phone) - if there's a reasonably safe way to root without unlock, I'd prefer to just root and then maybe in a year's time or so switch to Lineage OS...
For now I managed to have my phone recognized as QUSB_BULK and I can boot into edl.
I was trying to use the axon7toolkit (1.1.1), but for whatever reason I cannot use it in commandline mode (maybe as there seem to be different versions, or maybe cause I am on Win7 32bit, no idea).
Any help would be really great!
Hi jeboo, Hi Sn8k,
Hope above explained my motivation, regarding root without unlocking - there's a thread about this
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/wip-axon-7-root-bootloader-unlokced-t3441204
HOWEVER there are two problems:
1) The bootloader can stay locked as it's using a signed version of TWRP, which can brick your device (A2017G)
2) The linked axon7root.exe is not for my device (A2017G B08).
Having said that, some users have been successful with rooting this version, so there seems to be a way, if you get the steps right.
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Did you figured out a method to root the A2017G without unlocking?
I just got mine and need root for transferring all the apps from my old Nubia Z7....
Thx.
catadoxy said:
Did you figured out a method to root the A2017G without unlocking?
I just got mine and need root for transferring all the apps from my old Nubia Z7....
Thx.
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You can't. Don't even try it if you don't want to face DFU...
Just use the same app that the phone comes with, I think it's WeShare or something like that. It should let you transfer all of your crap via a LAN wifi transmission (If you use a 5GHz hotspot it'll be fast as heck).
Or just unlock the phone. But don't relock it if you do, because you can make a huge mess