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Turbo?

In a review site someone claiming confidently that the G4P does support turbo charging despite no mention of this in specs. Does anyone have the G4P and a turbo charger can do a test?

nigelhealy said:
...despite no mention of this in specs....
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Well, I don't think Motorola really advertised "Turbo" charging for G4 Play.
They advertised something else. Here's what it says on their site:
Moto G Play works with the 10W rapid charger (charger in-box), which gives you 5 hours of battery life in just 15 minutes of charging.
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Source: http://www.motorola.in/products/moto-g-play#battery

carefully said:
Well, I don't think Motorola really advertised "Turbo" charging for G4 Play.
They advertised something else. Here's what it says on their site:
Source: http://www.motorola.in/products/moto-g-play#battery
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So the charger supplied says 5V and 0.5A which doesn't look like a fast charger.

nigelhealy said:
So the charger supplied says 5V and 0.5A which doesn't look like a fast charger.
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My supplied charger clearly says OUTPUT: 5.2V===2.0A
Exhibit A is attached

It does not support quickcharger, that works with 9v and 12v i already tried, but the supplied charger charges at 2.0 A. which is fast.

carefully said:
My supplied charger clearly says OUTPUT: 5.2V===2.0A
Exhibit A is attached
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I am in the USA and bought the USA version XT1607.
The charger looks different it says 5V 0.5A.

nigelhealy said:
I am in the USA and bought the USA version XT1607.
The charger looks different it says 5V 0.5A.
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Same here, both the Amazon and the non-Amazon version I bought had the 550mAh chargers.

hooverbw said:
Same here, both the Amazon and the non-Amazon version I bought had the 550mAh chargers.
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The fact they package with a low spec charger in a $150 box is not a concern. I own dual and quad chargers I carry for phone tablet BT etc.
The question is a specific charger able to charge faster? I looked at the one supplied and it seemed to imply a 5V input then as much Amp as phone can take, which is usually about 1-1.5A til 85%.
Turbo, is I think like QC, it increases the voltage at low battery charge, such a charger would show say 12V or 9V output.

Is there any good charging app to watch what the phone is doing? I have iSmart, QC 2.0 and QC 3.0 devices I can test on.

hooverbw said:
Is there any good charging app to watch what the phone is doing? I have iSmart, QC 2.0 and QC 3.0 devices I can test on.
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The way I find best is to not use the phone and use a stopwatch and measure at 15m intervals.
It does take days to be ready with a low charge condition.
App I have used is Ampere but I find it unreliable as the act of using the phone means heat throttling down the charging speed, if you don't use the phone then Ampere sleeps and doesn't monitor.

From what I understand, it does support it but you have to buy an additional charger.
It definitely does some kind of fast charging because my Anker Powercore+ 10,050mAh power block charges it incredibly fast. I don't know what other charging methods the Anker does beyond qc2.0 since I have had the Anker less than 12 hours.
Sent from my Moto G Play using XDA Labs

If this behaves like osprey (which I expect - I haven't yet examined the kernel), the hardware doesn't support the Qualcomm high voltage quick charging, but it does support regular charging up to 800 mA. The weak 550 mA charger bundled with the North American variants will not make the most of it, but a 1A charger or better should get full charging performance.

squid2 said:
...but it does support regular charging up to 800 mA...
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So does this mean the 2.0 A bundled chargers are bottlenecked, like they support 2.0 A and the phone supports only till 800 mA...am I thinking correct?

My XT1607 US unlocked retail version came with a 5V 550mA labeled charge plug. I used a cable and power plug from another device that rated at 5.2V and 1.35A and it drew about 1.4A from it. Then I dug out another USB adapter rated 5.3V, 2A . It consumed 1.78A and it was 80% charged at the time. That would make for some much faster charging than the original plug. Wouldn't matter much if you just plug it in overnight to charge.

Anyone confirm if the it supports QC 2.0? Only thing wrong e phone is slow charge from supplied.
Sent from my Moto G Play using Tapatalk

I have used the turbo charger supplied with Moto G3 Turbo and it charges much faster than the one supplied in box. So yes it supports turbocharging but you need to get the charger elsewhere.

MaanasDwivedi said:
I have used the turbo charger supplied with Moto G3 Turbo and it charges much faster than the one supplied in box. So yes it supports turbocharging but you need to get the charger elsewhere.
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Logic fail. The supplied charge is feeble like 0.5A so anything like 1A or 2A is better.
That does NOT mean turbo is supported.

When I plug my G4 Play into my Anker 4 port power supply and then into a kilowatt meter, it draws 10 watts. If we work it backwards, that's 5v and 2 amps (however, need to account for line loss, transformer loss and other losses). A watt is a watt, doesn't matter what the voltage or amperage is, as W = V x A.
This phone charges much quicker than my old Moto G second gen, which would take close to 2 hours to fully recharge. I have had this phone recharge in as little as an hour from around 30%. It's a shame that the SD 410 chip supports QC 2.0 but Motorola didn't enable it. It seems to have QC 1.0 (which is the 10 watt, 5v @ 2amp rating).

brian10161 said:
When I plug my G4 Play into my Anker 4 port power supply and then into a kilowatt meter, it draws 10 watts. If we work it backwards, that's 5v and 2 amps (however, need to account for line loss, transformer loss and other losses). A watt is a watt, doesn't matter what the voltage or amperage is, as W = V x A.
This phone charges much quicker than my old Moto G second gen, which would take close to 2 hours to fully recharge. I have had this phone recharge in as little as an hour from around 30%. It's a shame that the SD 410 chip supports QC 2.0 but Motorola didn't enable it. It seems to have QC 1.0 (which is the 10 watt, 5v @ 2amp rating).
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Regular USB is 2A 5V 10W.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Standard USB 2.0 is 500mA
USB 3.0 is 900mA
There is a new subset standard called USB power delivery, it's used for newer devices.
Quick charge 1.0 was 2 amp at 5v.
There's a little more info here. https://www.easyacc.com/media-center/quick-charge-3-0-vs-2-0-vs-1-0/
These phones charging at 2 amps is technically quick charge, whether it's the 1.0 revision or not is really down to licensing and stuff. They don't charge at 2.0 speeds unfortunately. Even though the chipset supports it.

Use QC3.0 everyday?

What do you guys think about it?
Is is "safe"?
What Chargers are you guys using?
thanks in advance!

I've read that G6 does not support QC3.0 for now but it's about to thanks to the incoming update.
But anyway, of course, why not!
I did so with my Xperia Z3 Compact which supported QC2.0 but it's pretty much the same case for our G6's. I never had any problems with the battery in my Z3C.
I'm also planning to buy QC3.0 charger, which one are you gonna use?

Well, i'm using the default charger, which is supposedly qc 2, but qc 3 shouldn't damage your battery in any way. It charges very quickly to around 85% and then slows down to preserve battery life.

romcio47 said:
I've read that G6 does not support QC3.0 for now but it's about to thanks to the incoming update.
But anyway, of course, why not!
I did so with my Xperia Z3 Compact which supported QC2.0 but it's pretty much the same case for our G6's. I never had any problems with the battery in my Z3C.
I'm also planning to buy QC3.0 charger, which one are you gonna use?
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first time i hear that
it says here:
http://www.lg.com/in/lgg6#specs/specifications
and here:
https://geizhals.de/lg-electronics-g6-h870-schwarz-a1584137.html
also in several yt video tests that it clearly can do QC3.
i use that charger:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B017XBDBI6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

WstrKuNoužč said:
Well, i'm using the default charger, which is supposedly qc 2, but qc 3 shouldn't damage your battery in any way. It charges very quickly to around 85% and then slows down to preserve battery life.
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yep the included one can QC2 (asked LG support about it)
and ive read the same thing about qc3... that it is supposably battery "friendlier", thats why i was wondering what other lgg6 users do

I've confirmed that the charger that came with my G6 is QC3.0 (model MCS-H06UR, UK 3-pin). Using a USB power meter, the voltage will increase from 5V to 9V in small steps. If I use a QC 2.0 charger (stock charger from Note4/S7edge), it will jump from 5V to 9V immediately.

pustefix said:
I've confirmed that the charger that came with my G6 is QC3.0 (model MCS-H06UR, UK 3-pin). Using a USB power meter, the voltage will increase from 5V to 9V in small steps. If I use a QC 2.0 charger (stock charger from Note4/S7edge), it will jump from 5V to 9V immediately.
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Now, this is interesting and good to know. But QC 3.0 has two components to it. One is the variable voltage, but the second is actually using voltages up to 22V. So it would seem that this is QC 2.5

jdock said:
Now, this is interesting and good to know. But QC 3.0 has two components to it. One is the variable voltage, but the second is actually using voltages up to 22V. So it would seem that this is QC 2.5
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Well, it just means that it can support up to 22V but not that all charger must support 22V to be QC 3.0 compatible. If you look around most QC 3.0 chargers only support up to 12V.

Redmi note 3 not charging, the usb is dead, warning with chargers QC, possible fix.

I was studying this problem, people charge the phone with QC3.0 chargers and the phone stops charging, what really happens is that the zener diode that has the charging plate for security reasons (stabilizes the load voltage) Stop charging because the zener it's short-circuited (QC gives more voltage than it supports, is designed for 5v, there is QC of 12v or more). A possible solution is to cut the zener. (It works again but without voltage stabilization, it would be better to replace it but it is very complicated).
I leave some images for the one who has the problem and does not get the spare.
There is also a zener diode on the other side, on the motherboard, if cutting the zener in charge plate does not serve, check the motherboard zener.
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Thanks!

Is this problem occur due to qc 2.0?

Thank you for the tip!
Frenzi2012 said:
I was studying this problem, people charge the phone with QC3.0 chargers and the phone stops charging, what really happens is that the zener diode that has the charging plate for security reasons (stabilizes the load voltage) Stop charging because the zener it's short-circuited (QC gives more voltage than it supports, is designed for 5v, there is QC of 12v or more). A possible solution is to cut the zener. (It works again but without voltage stabilization, it would be better to replace it but it is very complicated).
I leave some images for the one who has the problem and does not get the spare.
There is also a zener diode on the other side, on the motherboard, if cutting the zener in charge plate does not serve, check the motherboard zener.
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Thank you for the tip!
To get back to life my redmi note3 ... if it were not for you XDA would have lost my device ... because here in Brazil no technician could solve this problem ... thank you and MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone!:good:

Leo32guarulhos said:
Thank you for the tip!
To get back to life my redmi note3 ... if it were not for you XDA would have lost my device ... because here in Brazil no technician could solve this problem ... thank you and MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone!:good:
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happy that it worked, happy holidays!

kaushal64 said:
Is this problem occur due to qc 2.0?
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Processor support qc2.0 and 3.0 but hardware added by xiaomi not. Use 5v 2A chargers aka Qc1.0

How do you cut the diode?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just used a needle and used it to grind the diode in half. And it worked! Thank you!

animeallen said:
How do you cut the diode?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just used a needle and used it to grind the diode in half. And it worked! Thank you!
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Perfect!

animeallen said:
How do you cut the diode?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just used a needle and used it to grind the diode in half. And it worked! Thank you!
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question, do you used a QC2.0 or QC3.0 to burn the diode?

Frenzi2012 said:
question, do you used a QC2.0 or QC3.0 to burn the diode?
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Can't really answer that question right now since I'm not sure. It was a car charger my brother bought, it was definitely Quickcharge, just not sure which version. I'll let you know once I check.

animeallen said:
Can't really answer that question right now since I'm not sure. It was a car charger my brother bought, it was definitely Quickcharge, just not sure which version. I'll let you know once I check.
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:good:

Is there any video guide to follow to perform this. My phone is not charging too, all of a sudden.

AravindhStanley said:
Is there any video guide to follow to perform this. My phone is not charging too, all of a sudden.
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download zip with pictures, someone commented that I cut them with a needle, maybe @animeallen can guide you...
On the other hand, did you burn it with a QC2.0 or 3.0 loader? helps us to prevent, if you can answer the poll better

Frenzi2012 said:
I was studying this problem, people charge the phone with QC3.0 chargers and the phone stops charging, what really happens is that the zener diode that has the charging plate for security reasons (stabilizes the load voltage) Stop charging because the zener it's short-circuited (QC gives more voltage than it supports, is designed for 5v, there is QC of 12v or more). A possible solution is to cut the zener. (It works again but without voltage stabilization, it would be better to replace it but it is very complicated).
I leave some images for the one who has the problem and does not get the spare.
There is also a zener diode on the other side, on the motherboard, if cutting the zener in charge plate does not serve, check the motherboard zener.
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Not sure but QC 3.0 charger does not charge your device at 9V or 12V until your device too has QC 3.0 qualified hardware(QC 3.0 circuit or equivalent) and software(kernel).
Cases like yours might be due to QC charger quality, which one did you use?
There are many low budget QC 3.0 chargers available like Aukey , Blitzwolf. I have Blitzwolf S9, charge my RN3 with it occasionally. And also I use MI Powerbank 2 (not 2i) for everyday charging and it is QC 3.0 input and output. Cannot check if my Zener diode is shorted but no changes in charging till now.
Charger's QC specialized circuit determine how much voltage (5v or 9v or 12v) and also current (~2A @5v or ~3A @5v or ~2A @9V etc.) should be given to device after detecting phone's charging circuit. So low budget QC 3.0 chargers may cause voltage or current rise.
And for RN3, do not set current (in any kernel) at 2.4A (it will cause damage due heat which is main culprit in long run) , 2A is sufficient but kernels with some ROMs (like NOS 8.1 for me), it charges at 1.4-1.5A. In such case, you can flash other kernels for fast (2A) charging.
My Mi Powerbank 2 charged my phone at almost (2A) in RR, Lineage 14.1 , lineage 15, pixel experience 8.1 roms.
Now in NOS 8.1 it charges at 1.4A in average.

palbadi said:
Not sure but QC 3.0 charger does not charge your device at 9V or 12V until your device too has QC 3.0 qualified hardware(QC 3.0 circuit or equivalent) and software(kernel).
Cases like yours might be due to QC charger quality, which one did you use?
There are many low budget QC 3.0 chargers available like Aukey , Blitzwolf. I have Blitzwolf S9, charge my RN3 with it occasionally. And also I use MI Powerbank 2 (not 2i) for everyday charging and it is QC 3.0 input and output. Cannot check if my Zener diode is shorted but no changes in charging till now.
Charger's QC specialized circuit determine how much voltage (5v or 9v or 12v) and also current (~2A @5v or ~3A @5v or ~2A @9V etc.) should be given to device after detecting phone's charging circuit. So low budget QC 3.0 chargers may cause voltage or current rise.
And for RN3, do not set current (in any kernel) at 2.4A (it will cause damage due heat which is main culprit in long run) , 2A is sufficient but kernels with some ROMs (like NOS 8.1 for me), it charges at 1.4-1.5A. In such case, you can flash other kernels for fast (2A) charging.
My Mi Powerbank 2 charged my phone at almost (2A) in RR, Lineage 14.1 , lineage 15, pixel experience 8.1 roms.
Now in NOS 8.1 it charges at 1.4A in average.
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For me the chargers detect the snapdragon 650 and send more power, the zener diode must support 10w only( i think no found info), I have comments above saying that they were burned with chargers QC, I'm trying to determine if qc 3.0 or 2.0
Enviado desde mi Redmi Note 3 mediante Tapatalk

palbadi said:
Not sure but QC 3.0 charger does not charge your device at 9V or 12V until your device too has QC 3.0 qualified hardware(QC 3.0 circuit or equivalent) and software(kernel).
Cases like yours might be due to QC charger quality, which one did you use?
There are many low budget QC 3.0 chargers available like Aukey , Blitzwolf. I have Blitzwolf S9, charge my RN3 with it occasionally. And also I use MI Powerbank 2 (not 2i) for everyday charging and it is QC 3.0 input and output. Cannot check if my Zener diode is shorted but no changes in charging till now.
Charger's QC specialized circuit determine how much voltage (5v or 9v or 12v) and also current (~2A @5v or ~3A @5v or ~2A @9V etc.) should be given to device after detecting phone's charging circuit. So low budget QC 3.0 chargers may cause voltage or current rise.
And for RN3, do not set current (in any kernel) at 2.4A (it will cause damage due heat which is main culprit in long run) , 2A is sufficient but kernels with some ROMs (like NOS 8.1 for me), it charges at 1.4-1.5A. In such case, you can flash other kernels for fast (2A) charging.
My Mi Powerbank 2 charged my phone at almost (2A) in RR, Lineage 14.1 , lineage 15, pixel experience 8.1 roms.
Now in NOS 8.1 it charges at 1.4A in average.
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i using NOS 8.1 with stock kernel and original MI charger 2A 5V, charging speed 1998mA from 10% to 50 % then slowdown to 1600mA aprox and 90 to 100% 600mA aprox

I activated 2.4A option in whatever kernel I used, but I dont rely on it too much.
Primary charger is HTC 1A, only use my Aukey QC2.0 when I need quick refuel. And my phone still rock stable though

Never burned mine out but I have a QC 3.0 charger and when I plug it to the phone it charges at the normal rate of 5v 2A, so I rarely use the QC port on the charger since it's the same as using the stock charger or normal ports, my guess is there are many custom kernels causing this damage, and I think there was one rare miui beta that enabled it at one time, I'm not sure if there is fake QC chargers but I believe real / official ones the circuitry is made by qualcomm and it does a series of checks to see if the device can support it or not-which it never did activate on my QC charger at least (I have a Choetech QC charger that cost around $30), which was pretty costly considering I never got to use the QC feature, but I think it's well built and never gives problems so in a way it was worth it and it's available if I get a device with proper QC support.
https://www.choetech.com/product/usb-charging-station-with-2-quick-charge-3.0-6port-us.html

otyg said:
Never burned mine out but I have a QC 3.0 charger and when I plug it to the phone it charges at the normal rate of 5v 2A, so I rarely use the QC port on the charger since it's the same as using the stock charger or normal ports, my guess is there are many custom kernels causing this damage, and I think there was one rare miui beta that enabled it at one time, I'm not sure if there is fake QC chargers but I believe real / official ones the circuitry is made by qualcomm and it does a series of checks to see if the device can support it or not-which it never did activate on my QC charger at least (I have a Choetech QC charger that cost around $30), which was pretty costly considering I never got to use the QC feature, but I think it's well built and never gives problems so in a way it was worth it and it's available if I get a device with proper QC support.
https://www.choetech.com/product/usb-charging-station-with-2-quick-charge-3.0-6port-us.html
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kernel can allow charger to pump in high current
many users have faced this
some carelessly do it knowingly
hence, AGNi limits it at max 2100mA no matter how badly users want to use QC currents.
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Fast charging information needed

So, I have finally learned what in my charger makes it fast. It uses the 5V and not the 9V, not sure why there's a 9V if phones use a 5V but I learned that the more amps the faster the charging. Like I currently have a ZTE 1.5A charger and a friend has a 4A dash charger for their OP3. Mine takes over an hour and their's takes a hour at most they claim. So if the V20 supports 3.0 charging, what's the most amps I can use in a charger to get the fastest charging possible? Would it be unsafe if I went to some extreme amount, like would it make my phone over charge and blow up or something?

The total power charged (watts) = voltage x amperage. So its a function of both volts and amps. For the fastest charging get a charger that supports qc3. This is standard that includes both how fast to charge and a signature that the phone and charger support qc3 to actually use the faster charging.
If you get a charger that doesn't support quick charge but some other standard the phone and charger will see that they don't support that other charging standard and charge at a safe slow rate.

The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it. What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger).
USB-PD works like QC 3.0 in the sense that it does the charging in a different way that keeps the cells cooler during the charging process and doesn't cause the heat buildup that QC 2.0 causes. The factory LG V20 charger supports QC 2.0 and if you go into the hidden menu (*#546368*<3-digit model number>#, might not work on every variant) and then SVC Menu - Battery Test - Battery Info - select the Enable Log button - check the box for Battery Log Save On/Off and it will then show the relevant info. Once you see the information display, plug in whatever charger you wish and then wait and see what it shows for High Voltage parameter.
If it's QuickCharge it will show the version being used - the stock V20 charger shows me QC2 so that's QuickCharge 2.0. I have a Samsung QC 3.0 compatible charger and when that's attached it shows USB-DCP which from what I understand is Samsung's modified variant of USB-PD but that could be wrong. I did some quick research and found this so it could be limiting the charging to 1.5A which is perfectly fine with me):
Dedicated charging port (DCP) BC1.1 describes power sources like wall warts and auto adapters that do not enumerate so that charging can occur with no digital communication at all. DCPs can supply up to 1.5A and are identified by a short between D+ to D-. This allows the creation of DCP "wall warts" that feature a USB mini or micro receptacle instead of a permanently attached wire with a barrel or customized connector. Such adapters allow any USB cable (with the correct plugs) to be used for charging.
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That was taken from this page:
https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/4803
My V20, using the stock Samsung 2A charger that I always use (because I don't like to quick charge my batteries, I don't trust it in any form and I still think it's damaging the cells but that's my own personal opinion on quick charging overall), can go from 15% to 85% (I use AccuBattery set to 85% and it alerts me when it hits that point so I can unplug, this increases the overall lifespan of the cell I'm using as measured in years not per-charge) in about 55 minutes to 1 hour depending on whether I'm still using the device or letting it charge screen off. That's using a plain old vanilla 2 amp capable charger and when I check the charging current sometimes it'll actually show 2.2 amps (2200+ miliamps) so I'm perfectly happy with that situation.
I've read reports from owners of Pixel USB chargers and when they use them with their V20 smartphones and look at the battery info in the hidden menu it will show USB-PD so I might have to get one of those sometime and see how it goes.
Suffice to say, 55 minutes for a 15% to 85% charge for me is fast enough and the battery still stays pretty cool overall. USB-PD is probably the best tech we'll be able to make use of with the V20. I've read that the V30 does fully support QC 3.0 without issues and the the stock V30 charger is QC 3.0 compliant. The new V40 is QC 4.0 ready but I don't know at this moment whether or not the actual stock charger handles it but again, the QC 4.0 support is handled by the SoC and it remains to be seen if LG allows it or forces it to QC 3.0/USB-PD operation. Guess I need to do some research into that aspect of the V40 too.

br0adband said:
The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it. What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger).
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The V20 can support QC 3 with a custom kernel, for example with mk2000 oreo 1.1 beta with a qc3 3 charger it indicates HVDCP_3 (HVDCP is one of the important parts of quick charge)

I've been using exclusively pd or qc3 chargers with my v20 and both properly work, verified with a usb power meter. Qc3 does the little 200mv adjustments as expected. Although to be fair i do run mk2000

br0adband said:
The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it.
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Have always doubted whether it was QC 2 or 3 but the log shows QC2.0TA in the service menu. Voltages measured by an inline meter are closer to 9V and around 1.3A (only with screen off) which suggests QC2. Power in shoots up to 15W initially and then drops to 13W and then 11 something W.
QC3 would be closer to 7V something with a higher amp input.. That's what the QC3 power bank used to charge the V20 accepts when charging itself.
This is stock btw, not rooted nor using any roms.
What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger)
USB-PD works like QC 3.0 in the sense that it does the charging in a different way that keeps the cells cooler during the charging process and doesn't cause the heat buildup that QC 2.0 causes.
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I found this interesting and hooked up my 100W laptop usb c charger to the phone and then use a usbc inline meter and found it did quick charge. At the same rate as Qc2. The meter read 8.91V @1.5A . This is surprising as i'd have thought usbc operates at 5V and a higher amperage.
When i looked at battery test screen from the service menu, the item for High voltage TA status reads as OFF. Yet my plugable usb c inline meter records around 13.5W going in with screen off. The voltage was 8.91V 1.5A. That's not USB-PD afaik, which should have said 5 V and a higher current draw. My laptop charger does not do Qualcom quick charge at all, So i'm not sure what is going on here.
I've been wary of using my laptop charger to charge the phone as i'd read an early report that some people had a bootloop problem and it was caused by USB PD chargers.
The factory LG V20 charger supports QC 2.0 and if you go into the hidden menu (*#546368#*<3-digit model number>#, might not work on every variant) and then SVC Menu - Battery Test - Battery Info - select the Enable Log button - check the box for Battery Log Save On/Off and it will then show the relevant info. Once you see the information display, plug in whatever charger you wish and then wait and see what it shows for High Voltage parameter.
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Fixed the code for you, it was missing a # before the * model number
If it's QuickCharge it will show the version being used - the stock V20 charger shows me QC2 so that's QuickCharge 2.0. I have a Samsung QC 3.0 compatible charger and when that's attached it shows USB-DCP which from what I understand is Samsung's modified variant of USB-PD but that could be wrong. I did some quick research and found this so it could be limiting the charging to 1.5A which is perfectly fine with me):
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Interesting, when i hook up a ravpower power bank that is also QC3 comparible i still see QC2. It charges no faster than the stock charger LG includes in the box
I've read reports from owners of Pixel USB chargers and when they use them with their V20 smartphones and look at the battery info in the hidden menu it will show USB-PD so I might have to get one of those sometime and see how it goes.
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Not in my case with a laptop charger, it just reads as OFF.. Do you remember where you read this maybe a link.
However when i use the laptop charger to usb C PD charge my power bank, the meter reads 4.89V 2.77A. That is a usb c PD charge. These are not the figures i get when using the laptop charger with the V20 as indicated above.
USB-PD is probably the best tech we'll be able to make use of with the V20. I've read that the V30 does fully support QC 3.0 without issues and the the stock V30 charger is QC 3.0 compliant. The new V40 is QC 4.0 ready but I don't know at this moment whether or not the actual stock charger handles it but again, the QC 4.0 support is handled by the SoC and it remains to be seen if LG allows it or forces it to QC 3.0/USB-PD operation. Guess I need to do some research into that aspect of the V40 too.
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I have mixed views about USB-PD and its suitability for phones. Laptops have larger cooling areas and so USB PD is fine with them. My laptop has a 100W charger and its charging as i type this and i don't find the laptop gets warm at all. The history with the 6P & First pixel showed people with battery problems and having to replace the battery shortly after a year. Particularly with the 6P. Not heard any problems with the second gen pixel as yet. Maybe its still too early. But even with qualcom quick charge and i use it all the time there should not be any problems with battery after a mere year.

Having said all that in the last post I made, a friend gave me a Samsung EP-TA20JBE charger last night, go figure. It's the first Samsung "fast charger" that I've had and I decided to plug it into my V20 and see what it showed. I know that if you use the Pixel chargers the battery info in the service menu will show USB_PD meaning it's communicating and charging using the Power Delivery standard. My regular Samsung 2A charger - plain old vanilla non-QC compatible straight 2A charger - shows USB_DCP when charging my V20 so that's a known thing; there is no QC support, no PD support, nothing but just pure current provided as requested.
Here's the funny thing:
The Samsung EP-TA20JBE apparently is a QC 3.0 compatible charger, but since it's made by Samsung what I see under the battery info is USB_HVDCP which I've never seen before. So I did research into the USB_HVDCP meaning and of course the HV means High Voltage.
What I discovered is that if you're using a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 device with a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 charger, your device should report it's getting QC3.0 under the battery info but that's where the fun begins because non-compliant hardware will just show "USB_HVDCP. Of course, because this is not an LG charger and the sense and communication stuff is not from them, it's falling back to Samsung's version of QC3.0 protocols - but what I discovered is that in such instances it's actually Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 in effect, it's just that on non-compliant chargers Qualcomm detects the charging protocol as USB_HVDCP.
So, I ran my V20 down to about 15% using a battery app that forces the device to use nearly 100% of the CPU, that took the better part of 45 minutes or so, and when the phone beeped to alert me it needed charging I stopped the battery rundown app, let the phone sit for about 15 minutes idle so it would cool down, then I plugged in the Samsung USB charger I picked up last night (using my Monoprice 26 gauge USB-C charging cable).
Normally if I charge the device using that Samsung vanilla 2A charger from 15% it will cause my V20 to get warm on the backside because it's pulling the full 2A from the charger and of course it'll get warm. It also takes roughly 55 minutes to about 1 hour solid to go from 15% to 85%, and the phone will stay warm till about 65% when the current pull changes to something lower, maybe 1.5A, and it continues to decline as the actual charge increases and of course the V20 cools down to various degrees (pun intended) as the current pull decreases.
But here's what I noticed using this Samsung USB charger:
I watched the charging indicator (screen off, I use AccuBattery which shows me the current battery percentage on the V20's second screen) and it was literally going up 1% every 35-40 seconds which I had never seen before, all the way to 85%. My V20 remained basically cool to the touch from the moment I plugged in that charger to the time AccuBattery alerted me about the 85% cap - that's what I have it set for to ensure I get a longer lifespan (measured in years) from the OEM LG cell I bought back in August, manufactured in Nov 2017 by the date on the battery.
So, I'm not sure what this all means but based on what I read about Qualcomm and how their chargers ID themselves, if you see USB_HVDCP that is QuickCharge 3.0 under the battery info in the service menu - it's not Power Delivery because the Samsung charger doesn't apparently support that protocol (but I'm not 100% sure on that one).
It's actually honest-to-goodness QuickCharge 3.0, according to the info I read yesterday afternoon, so while I'm still not 100% sure on the protocols or the various naming conventions like USB_PD, USB_DCP, USB_HVDCP, etc (I mean I know what they stand for, sure) and how the V20 identifies the charging protocols and usage, what I can for certain is that for the first time since I've owned my V20, I can charge it with this Samsung USB charger and never feel it get warm at all so for me that's a huge positive. Li-Ion batteries HATE heat buildup, that'll kill their effective lifespan (again measured in years) more than most anything else.
All the vanilla 2A or 1.8A chargers I have cause the phone to heat up during the charging process. I have a Motorola "TURBO" 25 watt QuickCharge 2.0 compatible microUSB charger that I used for testing purposes with a microUSB-to-USB-C adapter and under battery info that identifies as USB_DCP so that's QuickCharge 2.0 (which that particular charger is designed for) and the battery heats up when I use it. This new Samsung charger I just got last night, charges just as fast if not faster and there is NO heat buildup whatsoever that I could detect so, yep, QuickCharge 3.0 even if it's not identifying as QC3.0 under the battery info.
I suppose what I said earlier is now considered moot: the V20 DOES support QuickCharge 3.0, just not with the stock LG charger because it's not a QC 3.0 charger to begin with.
So, yeah, I guess I'll be using this Samsung charger from now on.

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Having said all that in the last post I made, a friend gave me a Samsung EP-TA20JBE charger last night, go figure. It's the first Samsung "fast charger" that I've had and I decided to plug it into my V20 and see what it showed. I know that if you use the Pixel chargers the battery info in the service menu will show USB_PD meaning it's communicating and charging using the Power Delivery standard. My regular Samsung 2A charger - plain old vanilla non-QC compatible straight 2A charger - shows USB_DCP when charging my V20 so that's a known thing; there is no QC support, no PD support, nothing but just pure current provided as requested.
Here's the funny thing:
The Samsung EP-TA20JBE apparently is a QC 3.0 compatible charger, but since it's made by Samsung what I see under the battery info is USB_HVDCP which I've never seen before. So I did research into the USB_HVDCP meaning and of course the HV means High Voltage.
What I discovered is that if you're using a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 device with a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 charger, your device should report it's getting QC3.0 under the battery info but that's where the fun begins because non-compliant hardware will just show "USB_HVDCP. Of course, because this is not an LG charger and the sense and communication stuff is not from them, it's falling back to Samsung's version of QC3.0 protocols - but what I discovered is that in such instances it's actually Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 in effect, it's just that on non-compliant chargers Qualcomm detects the charging protocol as USB_HVDCP.
So, I ran my V20 down to about 15% using a battery app that forces the device to use nearly 100% of the CPU, that took the better part of 45 minutes or so, and when the phone beeped to alert me it needed charging I stopped the battery rundown app, let the phone sit for about 15 minutes idle so it would cool down, then I plugged in the Samsung USB charger I picked up last night (using my Monoprice 26 gauge USB-C charging cable).
Normally if I charge the device using that Samsung vanilla 2A charger from 15% it will cause my V20 to get warm on the backside because it's pulling the full 2A from the charger and of course it'll get warm. It also takes roughly 55 minutes to about 1 hour solid to go from 15% to 85%, and the phone will stay warm till about 65% when the current pull changes to something lower, maybe 1.5A, and it continues to decline as the actual charge increases and of course the V20 cools down to various degrees (pun intended) as the current pull decreases.
But here's what I noticed using this Samsung USB charger:
I watched the charging indicator (screen off, I use AccuBattery which shows me the current battery percentage on the V20's second screen) and it was literally going up 1% every 35-40 seconds which I had never seen before, all the way to 85%. My V20 remained basically cool to the touch from the moment I plugged in that charger to the time AccuBattery alerted me about the 85% cap - that's what I have it set for to ensure I get a longer lifespan (measured in years) from the OEM LG cell I bought back in August, manufactured in Nov 2017 by the date on the battery.
So, I'm not sure what this all means but based on what I read about Qualcomm and how their chargers ID themselves, if you see USB_HVDCP that is QuickCharge 3.0 under the battery info in the service menu - it's not Power Delivery because the Samsung charger doesn't apparently support that protocol (but I'm not 100% sure on that one).
It's actually honest-to-goodness QuickCharge 3.0, according to the info I read yesterday afternoon, so while I'm still not 100% sure on the protocols or the various naming conventions like USB_PD, USB_DCP, USB_HVDCP, etc (I mean I know what they stand for, sure) and how the V20 identifies the charging protocols and usage, what I can for certain is that for the first time since I've owned my V20, I can charge it with this Samsung USB charger and never feel it get warm at all so for me that's a huge positive. Li-Ion batteries HATE heat buildup, that'll kill their effective lifespan (again measured in years) more than most anything else.
All the vanilla 2A or 1.8A chargers I have cause the phone to heat up during the charging process. I have a Motorola "TURBO" 25 watt QuickCharge 2.0 compatible microUSB charger that I used for testing purposes with a microUSB-to-USB-C adapter and under battery info that identifies as USB_DCP so that's QuickCharge 2.0 (which that particular charger is designed for) and the battery heats up when I use it. This new Samsung charger I just got last night, charges just as fast if not faster and there is NO heat buildup whatsoever that I could detect so, yep, QuickCharge 3.0 even if it's not identifying as QC3.0 under the battery info.
I suppose what I said earlier is now considered moot: the V20 DOES support QuickCharge 3.0, just not with the stock LG charger because it's not a QC 3.0 charger to begin with.
So, yeah, I guess I'll be using this Samsung charger from now on.
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Plain USB_HVDCP is quickcharge 2.0, when its 3 it shows as USB_HVDCP_3 (if you use a custom kernel like mk2000 and a qc3 charger its possible)

What made me think the V20 uses QC3 is the inline meter i used with it said so. This btw is from the stock charger too. But the voltages do not convince me

The voltage between qc2 and 3 are pretty much the same, but 3 has more levels in between the max and min voltage so less energy is wasted.

They're not the same. I remember a post from the HTC 10 forum and that phone comes with a QC3 certified charger and the volts were in the 7 range with higher amps. Which btw is the same as when my ravpower power bank charges with a QC3 compliant but not certified charger

So we still don't have anything absolutely concrete, great.
But as I said, with a QC 2.0 charger (the Motorola TURBO one) my V20 gets quite warm from 15% to 85%.
With this Samsung QC 3.0 charger, it doesn't get noticeably warm to any significant amount from 15% to 85% AND it gets charged faster.
So I have no idea and really just figured "OK, whatever, it charges faster and cooler, I'll use it..." and that's that.

Charging Oneplus with QC 4.0 or any other standard apart WARP

If I charge Oneplus 8 pro with lets say Car Charger with supported standards PD 3.0/QC 4.0/ QC 3.0/ AFC , is there a downside? Or just slow charging speed?
And, is there a downside if I need to charge my phone at work for example to take notebook USB Type C charger and plug in... (again apart of slow charge)

Vecera said:
If I charge Oneplus 8 pro with lets say Car Charger with supported standards PD 3.0/QC 4.0/ QC 3.0/ AFC , is there a downside? Or just slow charging speed?
And, is there a downside if I need to charge my phone at work for example to take notebook USB Type C charger and plug in... (again apart of slow charge)
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The rate of charge just be slower, otherwise no problems, no.

I just got the 8 pro yesterday, IN2025. From what I've read and i just tested your charging speed will be better w/ PD as the phone does not support QC anything and just treats as it regular charging.
I tested the charging at ~70%.
USB PD, 4.2V/1.8A - 2A
QC 3.0 4.2V/1..2A
Warp Charging, 4.2V/4.8A
Warp with regular cable, 4.2V/1.2A
Regular charging 4.2V/1.2A
Hope that helps

okay so my previous phone was a PD 3.0, I have a bunch of charger that are 3.0 which support up to 65W. What would it do with the OnePlus 8 Pro. will it be limited to 35W or will it go higher?

Always limited by the phone max specs.

so in that case I should still get the 30W from a PD 3.0 charger to the OnePlus 8 Pro?
Cause I don't want to spend $50 for a Warp Charge Car adapter specially if my PD 3.0 charger can provide the same amount of wattage

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so in that case I should still get the 30W from a PD 3.0 charger to the OnePlus 8 Pro?
Cause I don't want to spend $50 for a Warp Charge Car adapter specially if my PD 3.0 charger can provide the same amount of wattage
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No, you will not get 30W from your PD charger, it will max out at 15W.
OnePlus only supports PD at 5V, likely because Dash charge only uses 5V. PD caps out at 3A for 5V, so 15W. PD achieves higher wattages by increasing the voltage rather than increasing the amperage like Dash Charge (hence why PD cables are generally thinner than Dash charge ones).

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I just got the 8 pro yesterday, IN2025. From what I've read and i just tested your charging speed will be better w/ PD as the phone does not support QC anything and just treats as it regular charging.
I tested the charging at ~70%.
USB PD, 4.2V/1.8A - 2A
QC 3.0 4.2V/1..2A
Warp Charging, 4.2V/4.8A
Warp with regular cable, 4.2V/1.2A
Regular charging 4.2V/1.2A
Hope that helps
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So in your case all chargers give less than required charging voltage?! AFAIK, only dash/vooc charges at battaries max voltage. others supply 5v. check your data