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Hello,
So I'm about to take the plunge and pick up an Xperia Play in the next few days. With it I'm planning on getting a 32GB microSD (class 4) card. What I'm concerned about though is whether I can fully utilise the card.
What I mean is, is that I've read that some apps can not be directly installed onto the SD card, forcing you to first install them onto the pitifully small internal storage before moving them over to the card. Other apps can not be moved to the SD card AT ALL, creating situations where you may actually run out of internal space and not even have enough to apply phone/OS updates. This has me slightly worried. What's the point in buying a nice big SD card if I can't fully utilise it?
Now, I know things are possible if you root the phone, but I'm not interested in doing that (I know, call me weird if you want, but I have no interest in rooting the phone when I get it). What I want to know is, can I do the following things without rooting the phone?
- Move certain apps/games to the SD card (I realise some vital apps can't be moved for technical reasons)
- Force the phone to install new apps/games directly onto the SD card
Thanks in advance for your time!
firstly, this is Gingerbread, and with Gingerbread means we are given the full authority to install apps on the phone or on the SD card. The problem comes from developers themselves. Whether an app is installed in the internal memory or the SD card is solely determined by the developer because of a string/command they have to put on their application's manifest files. that string gives us the option, so if they have not included that string on their apk's (like Asphalt 6 for example with a size of 29MB!!!), we will have no choice to select where to install it--with a default location on the internal memory!
This one is a good read on what i'm trying to say:
http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2011/02/02/android-force-moving-apps-to-an-sd-card/
there is a hack however, something like pm SetInstallLocation 2 through adb, it's somewhere here.. something like THIS it changes/forces the install location to SD card..
Use link2sd. I have 370 apps installed and still have 239mb of internal storage
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Except link2sd requires root access...
So there's basically nothing I can do about this without rooting the phone or fiddling with the adb? That if the app or game doesn't provide the option or where to install, I'm stuck?
Balls.
There must be a solution...how are you guys not running out of space on this thing?
most, if not all of us have rooted our phone.
White_Pointer said:
So there's basically nothing I can do about this without rooting the phone or fiddling with the adb? That if the app or game doesn't provide the option or where to install, I'm stuck?
Balls.
There must be a solution...how are you guys not running out of space on this thing?
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The facts are, without root access you don't have enough control over your phone to do it. And if you don't want to use adb, you might as well sell your play and buy a feature phone, because thats all you have atm lol
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Create a partition of your SD card then use link2sd.. For now maybe you don't have interest on rooting your phone but after a few days you will realize how important for us to have root access..
I thought the whole point of Android (as opposed to, say, iOS) is to give the user control. If I can't do something as simple as moving apps to an sd card without rooting the phone, it seems Android has failed in that regard. Even my 2 year old Omnia 2, running the dated Windows mobile 6.1 OS, allows me to choose where to install things and allows me full access to the file manager to move data where I want without ever needing to root it.
I'll probably still get a Play, and maybe adb is an option, but it still seems an annoyance to enable the option which should be there already.
White_Pointer said:
I thought the whole point of Android (as opposed to, say, iOS) is to give the user control. If I can't do something as simple as moving apps to an sd card without rooting the phone, it seems Android has failed in that regard. Even my 2 year old Omnia 2, running the dated Windows mobile 6.1 OS, allows me to choose where to install things and allows me full access to the file manager to move data where I want without ever needing to root it.
I'll probably still get a Play, and maybe adb is an option, but it still seems an annoyance to enable the option which should be there already.
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Your missing the point, root isnt a bad thing or a hack, google always ment to supply android rooted like any linux distro. But they took root away from the end user to protect them. Malware wise a unrooted phone is a safe phone. It's then the end users problem if they root there phone and have all there passwords stolen. There is no comeback on google. The nexus phones are easy to root because google makes it easy, phones made by companies like HTC are harder to root because they want to protect there software. Although HTC and Sony have made a U-turn recently, allowing for end users to now bootloader unlock there phones and even supporting 3rd party rom developers.
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Unfortunately rooting a phone isn't quite as simple as logging in as the root user in linux. If you could "log in" to your phone as root to perform certain actions such as moving apps to an sd card, and then "log out" when you are done, back into your regular phone user mode, then it would be a different story. As it stands now, you get one thing wrong in the root process and you could lose vital functionality, or in the worst case can brick your phone.
I don't call that "protecting the end user", I personally think that whole concept is a load of bull. If they wanted to really protect the end user they'd make it easy to log in as root, but require the user to contact support for the password or something and get them to accept a T&A first so they understand the implications of it. That way the phone doesn't permanently stay in "rooted" mode, and you only need the root access temporarily so your chances of contracting any Malware are slim.
Doesn't that make a lot more sense?
narflynn619 said:
firstly, this is Gingerbread, and with Gingerbread means we are given the full authority to install apps on the phone or on the SD card. The problem comes from developers themselves. Whether an app is installed in the internal memory or the SD card is solely determined by the developer because of a string/command they have to put on their application's manifest files. that string gives us the option, so if they have not included that string on their apk's (like Asphalt 6 for example with a size of 29MB!!!), we will have no choice to select where to install it--with a default location on the internal memory!
This one is a good read on what i'm trying to say:
http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2011/02/02/android-force-moving-apps-to-an-sd-card/
there is a hack however, something like pm SetInstallLocation 2 through adb, it's somewhere here.. something like THIS it changes/forces the install location to SD card..
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Here's the ADB Hack:
Install Android SDK, download the recommened files.
Open up command prompt (if you're in windows) goto adb, its located [drive installed on, normally C]:\[wherever you installed it, i.e. program files, or if you unzipped it, unzip folder]\android-sdk_r12-windows\android-sdk-windows\platform-tools (where you have it installed might differ from mine. If you don't have the android sdk library, this makes it worth it.)
when you get to the folder you have adb located, and your phone is plugged in (USB Debuging needs to be turned on (settings -> application -> development)),
type:
adb shell
(you'll have to wait a little bit)
when you see the command prompt change to "#"
then type:
pm setInstallLocation 2
reboot
you don't need root, and it's easy to do
There's a new app come out that I can install on my galaxy nexus but if I try to install it from my xoom is says something like "this app is not supported by your device".
I would like to try it because it would be far more useful on the xoom than on my phone. Is there any way to over-ride the market and force it to install?
Thanks,
If you're being prompted that the app is not supported for your device, what makes you think it will work if you do happen to get it installed?
skinien said:
If you're being prompted that the app is not supported for your device, what makes you think it will work if you do happen to get it installed?
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It's brand new so I'm guessing the omission of tablets might be a mistake. If it works on the GN (ICS), shouldn't it work on the xoom since it has scaling?
The app may not work for your device. But the workaround for what you want to do is: goto security and allow installation from unknown sources. Now download a file manager like root browser. Next, on your pc goto the market and download the app. Save it to your sd card. Put the sd card back in the xoom. Open root browser and brows to sdcard-ext. Search for your app. You can then install the app.....may not work though, if not optimized for tablet or ICS.
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Manic_Dragon said:
The app may not work for your device. But the workaround for what you want to do is: goto security and allow installation from unknown sources. Now download a file manager like root browser. Next, on your pc goto the market and download the app. Save it to your sd card. Put the sd card back in the xoom. Open root browser and brows to sdcard-ext. Search for your app. You can then install the app.....may not work though, if not optimized for tablet or ICS.
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And if that ^^^^ does not work u would need to edit the apk to disable device check, but that would include some in depth Modding of the smali files, however if it says its not comparable odds are its just not... for instance I've modded the Hbogo app, and it would install and run on the Xoom without giving me the "device not supported" but when I tried playing a video it would just force close...meaning it was actually not compatible, so long way around, but odds are if it says not comp the odds are it won't actually work
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I read your problem it sound like storage space problem. You will have already installed many programs into you Motorola Xoom mobile. There will be less space left. When you are trying to install any new application it does not allow. Once you achieve 90 percent of the disk space it does not allow further any installation. That remaining space is used for small program or running program. So to know actual problem first uninstall some application to get some more free space then try to install the new application. I think this may help you.
This new permissions policy for apps writing to the external SD card is doing my head in. I have the stock, rooted, Polish Lollipop 5.0 ROM on my N9005. Dropbox refuses to write to the SD card and gives me a storage full or unavailable error. I'm well aware of how to set permissions for each app that requests it but Dropbox doesn't even ask for permission! Dropsync is even worse, it asks for permission to write to the SD card and I grant it and is displays a message saying that all is OK but when I try to sync I get a storage unavailable error. Similarly, Dolphin browser refuses to save anything to the SD card and doesn't request permission. I've reformatted my SD card using Android, tried a different SD card, cleared the cache for the affected apps, signed in & out of Dropbox but with no success. I don't think the SD card fix apps for Kitkat will work for Lollipop. Can anyone solve this?
Thanks
I emailed dropbox support & they have the answer:
Thanks for writing in, I will be happy to help you with your file issue.
It appears that these duplicate documents were added from the "Samsung Device" app. Samsung created a new deep Dropbox integration for their devices that allows access to all documents in your Dropbox account from a special "DocumentSync" folder on your phone. This DocumentSync feature allows you to add, edit, and delete any files that appear in this folder and these modifications will show up both on your phone and in Dropbox.
We've worked with Samsung on a fix for this duplicate file problem and it should be released sometime soon. In the meantime, if files are still being replicated, you can temporarily disable DocumentSync until the fix is released.
DocumentSync is different from the Dropbox application on your phone and disabling the DocumentSync feature will not impact the Dropbox app. You can turn off DocumentSync on your phone by following these instructions:
1. Tap your device’s “Menu” button
2. Tap “Settings”
3. Tap “Cloud”
4. Tap “Documents” or “DocumentSync”
5. Toggle off
You can also disable this app from the Dropbox website. To do this:
1. Log in to https://www.dropbox.com/account#security
2. Under "Apps linked" find the Samsung Device app.
3. Click the small "x" at the far right of where it says Samsung Device.
Sorry for any inconvenience this might have caused, but I hope this helps! Feel free to let me know if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Randy
I think the way ahead is to uninstall the Samsung Dropbox app with Titanium Backup but when I do this it keeps coming back. How would I go about hacking it out with Root Explorer?
Hi all,
Pardon me if I am asking a relatively dumb question.
I have an S7 edge on 6.0.1, G935FD, rooted.
Microsoft Office, basically Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and One Drive, came preinstalled.
I cannot seem to create a new file.
I have two options for the file's file location. Either it saves in the cloud through One Drive or at the local device storage.
If I choose to save to the cloud, I can create a file.
If I change it to local device storage, I get an error which reads: "Office can't create your file right now. Please try again later."
Here are the things I have tried:
Delete cache.
Clear dalvik through TWRP.
Deleted updates and reupdated.
Uninstalled apps through System App Remover.
Reinstalled updates, tried to convert app from system app to user app then uninstalled and reinstalled.
After all that, I still have the same issue.
Any advice?
Try to use system uninstaller, remove those apps, reinstall from the playstore and try again
Also if you have xposed framework try to hide root from those apps
Didn't try any of those as i'm not rooted
EDIT: just rooted my phone (SM-G935FD) using chainfire autoroot and Offices apps are working fine including save, try to unroot then test again if working using chainfire method to root again
Settings -> Applications -> Word -> Permissions
I'm on the Nougat beta so not sure if the order is exactly that but something similar anyway. Check if Storage is enabled. If it isn't, enable it and do the same for the other Office apps.
Thanks. I'll go ahead and try these.
Thanks, I've checked permissions and they are a-ok!
I used the system uninstaller by jumobile and it's leaving a data folder com.microsoft.excel and i cant delete it. I think it leaves it there so in the event that i do a full system restore the apps will get reinstalled.
Update. I was able to get it to work!
Moved it from a system app to a user app, then uninstalled. Rebooted the phone, then downloaded microsoft excel in playstore. Fixed!!
I think it was in the order of how I did the steps with the reboot.
Hi,
After receiving an OTA update I my phone got updated to May security patch.
As we all know, after this we are unable to download apk's in order to update the apps due to package conflicts etc etc.
I think I found a easy workaround that ad been working, at least for me, always I needed. Just finished updating 7 apps.
They procedure is ad follows:
1. Download the app (I always use apkmirror)
2. Go to Samsung File Manager/My Files and create a shortcut of the app to your Home screen
3. Go to settings > lockscreen & security
4. Disable all lockscreen securities
5. Reboot phone
6. Install all apps by clicking on the shortcuts you created.
After this you can enable lockscreen securities again.
That's it, easy as that!
Please share your experiences to see if also work for you.
Djuganight said:
Hi,
After receiving an OTA update I my phone got updated to May security patch.
As we all know, after this we are unable to download apk's in order to update the apps due to package conflicts etc etc.
I think I found a easy workaround that ad been working, at least for me, always I needed. Just finished updating 7 apps.
They procedure is ad follows:
1. Download the app (I always use apkmirror)
2. Go to Samsung File Manager/My Files and create a shortcut of the app to your Home screen
3. Go to settings > lockscreen & security
4. Disable all lockscreen securities
5. Reboot phone
6. Install all apps by clicking on the shortcuts you created.
After this you can enable lockscreen securities again.
That's it, easy as that!
Please share your experiences to see if also work for you.
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how often? Does not work with the new update
Not working for me too
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It's working flawless on my device.
Are you sure you followed the steps correctly?
olafsand said:
Not working for me too
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Same here
Yea I already tried this a while back, seems to work for some, not others
That said, there are some apps that will still install on mine with the April patch that also caused problems, the latest TouchWiz Home installs fine, and so does the latest Gallery
I think the problem is with the apps not the security patch, as previous versions would not install, latest versions will
Maybe some apps are not compatible with the update you are running until they are also updated
I tried to update several apps but I wasn't able. Seems like this method is not working for me anymore....