As stated in the website linked below, it's mentioned that lpddr4 ram is used.
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/mate9/html/performance.htm
To check what ram is used, just type in terminal cat proc/ddr_rod
What's the type of ram used in your device?
DDR3
DDR3
MHA-L29C636 here.
false advertising?...
Ddr3
mha-l29c185
This command is not 100% accurate. "lpddr3" is the default return value if no information was found.
Source: http://overseas.weico.cc/share/1011152.html?weibo_id=4097815745656061 (This post is in Chinese but it has a screenshot of the C code that explains)
It's lpddr4.
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It's lpddr4.
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does AIDA actually scan the system or returns values it looks up in a database?
but it makes sense that it returns ddr3 if nothing is found.
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This command is not 100% accurate. "lpddr3" is the default return value if no information was found.
Source: http://overseas.weico.cc/share/1011152.html?weibo_id=4097815745656061 (This post is in Chinese but it has a screenshot of the C code that explains)
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It makes sense. Just curious about it as there's evidence that emmc5. 1 is used on p10. And they bothered to make it return lpddr4 for honor 8.
https://goo.gl/BM0fzZ
The Chinese giant admitted it’s using storage and memory chips of multiple specifications on the recently launched Huawei P10 and Huawei P10 Plus.
Huawei just admitted what Chinese users of the P10 and P10 Plus have been claiming for weeks.
In a statement released in response to an inquiry from Android Authority, the Chinese giant admitted it’s using storage and memory chips of multiple specifications on the recently launched Huawei P10 and Huawei P10 Plus.
While Huawei did not go into specifics, empiric checks show that the two phones can feature any combination of LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM chips, and UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, or eMMC 5.1 storage.
“Huawei has employed the standard industry practice of sourcing solutions from multiple trusted suppliers to ensure a balance between user experience, quality and sustainable supply,” the company said.
While it’s true that many electronic devices feature a small level of variance when it comes to their components, the differences shouldn’t have a noticeable effect on user experience. One well-known example of component variation is Samsung’s choice of SoCs on its flagship phones, which usually ship with Exynos or Qualcomm chips based on the market. In another recent example, the iPhone 7 Plus comes with modem chips from either Intel or Qualcomm; the latter offer a “significant performance edge” compared to the Intel variant, according to phone testing firm Cellular Insights.
LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 RAM? UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, or eMMC 5.1? Who knows?
Huawei insists that it does not make any false claims when it comes to the P10. The company says its marketing makes no mention of the specific RAM and flash storage generation. “Among all Huawei P10 marketing collateral, there has been no commitment to the use of only one specific flash memory,” it said.
That might be true, but the performance difference between LPDDR3 and LPDDR4 chips, and UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1, and eMMC 5.1 storage chips respectively, can be significant. Understandably, P10 customers would like to know if they’re getting an older technology.
When it’s convenient, Huawei does advertise the use of LPDDR4 and UFS 2.1 chips. On the Mate 9 product page, for instance, both new standards are presented prominently and contrasted with the older and slower LPDDR3 and eMMC 5.1.
It looks like only some P10 and P10 Plus are “born fast.” No mention of the RAM and storage technology can be found on their specs pages.
Huawei says it’s using chips “randomly,” based on the component shipments it receives from suppliers. “There are no period batches or manual selection for chip batches,” the company said. What this means is that getting a “good” unit is a matter of luck. You could run benchmarks on the phone prior to purchasing it, but that’s simply not feasible in many cases.
Huawei denied any “discrimination or intention to defraud consumers.” “The performance of a single component can’t exactly reflect the overall system performance of a smartphone and these scores are not applicable in actual use scenarios.”
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In another round of press releases from the Korean technology company today, Samsung’s announcing the existence of their 1GHz dual-core chipset based on the ARM Cortex A9, being named by them the Orion. This is looking to be the official successor to the 1GHz single-core Hummingbird chipset (based on ARM Cortex A8) seen in their phones today as Samsung’s already expressed plans to introduce the successor to the Samsung Galaxy S smartphones sometime in 2011. I’d bet money that they’ll be equipped with these beasts.
What will the Orion bring, anyway? 1080p video decoding and encoding (playback and recording), an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface, embedded GPS, and a triple display controller to work alongside that HDMI interface (meaning you could possibly use your phone while a video is playing in high definition through HDMI on your television).
It’s said that the Orion will deliver 5x the 3D performance over the previous generation from Samsung, but they didn’t go into specifics regarding the GPU they’ll be using. It’s also being designed on a 45nm low-power die, meaning battery life might not take a hit compared to the relatively weaker chipsets of today. The chipset should be shipping later this year to select manufacturers.
Samsung’s also expecting to ship 10 million Galaxy Tabs worldwide, according to the Wall Street Journal. That’s an ambitious goal up against the iPad, but who are we to say Samsung can’t meet it? They’re doing just as well as they said they would in the smartphone market with the Galaxy S, and while we can’t judge performance between two different markets, we won’t count them out at all. Read on for the full press details.
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Samsung Introduces High Performance, Low Power Dual CORTEXTM – A9 Application Processor for Mobile Devices
TAIPEI, Taiwan–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., a world leader in advanced semiconductor solutions, today introduced its new 1GHz ARM® CORTEXTM A9-based dual-core application processor, codenamed Orion, for advanced mobile applications. Device OEM developers now have a powerful dual processor chip platform designed specifically to meet the needs of high-performance, low-power mobile applications including tablets, netbooks and smartphones. Samsung’s new processor will be demonstrated at the seventh annual Samsung Mobile Solutions Forum held here in Taiwan at the Westin Taipei Hotel.
“Consumers are demanding the full web experience without compromise while on the go,” said Dojun Rhee, vice president of Marketing, System LSI Division, Samsung Electronics. “Given this trend, mobile device designers need an application processor platform that delivers superb multimedia performance, fast CPU processing speed, and abundant memory bandwidth. Samsung’s newest dual core application processor chip is designed specifically to fulfill such stringent performance requirements while maintaining long battery life.”
Designed using Samsung’s 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung’s new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080P full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
For design flexibility and system BOM cost reduction, Orion integrates a set of interfaces commonly used in mobile devices to configure various peripheral functionalities. For example, with this processor, customers have the choice to use different types of storage including NAND flash, moviNANDTM, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a global positioning system (GPS) receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services (LBS), which is critical in many emerging mobile applications.
Orion features an onboard native triple display controller architecture that compliments multi-tasking operations in a multiple display environment. A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or a monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
Orion is designed to support package-on-package (POP) with memory stacking to reduce the footprint. A derivative of Orion, which is housed in a standalone package with a 0.8mm ball pitch, is also available.
Samsung’s new dual-core application processor, Orion, will be available to select customers in the fourth quarter of 2010 and is scheduled for mass production in the first half of 2011.
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Good info, but I have never been a fan of Tabs, to me I can see their purpose and a big part of me sees them as a waist of money if I bought one. The battery life running that dual core processor is what I would like to see confirmed and not "assumed".
As much as I'd like one of these, I won't buy one until Samsung has real customer service and actually releases a GPS fix. We'll see what happens this month. Hopefully Samsung comes through so I can continue supporting them.
New processors generally come with more advanced power saving features, so the battery life might even be better
Good to see progress,
But is there really anything on Android market that utilises all that power?!
Theres scarcely any serious 3d games and not that much dev. work.
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New processors generally come with more advanced power saving features, so the battery life might even be better
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I think power should be the main focus, not more power, unless they can accomplish both.. then bring on the power...
New chip boasts Mali-G71 MP8 GPU and ARM Cortex-A73 cores, upgraded networking tech.
Today at a press conference in Shanghia, China, Huawei officially unveiled the chip that's expected to feature in its next flagship phone when it's announced in early November. The Kirin 960 processor uses four of ARM's new, high-performance Cortex-A73 cores and four low-powered A53 cores, produced using a 16nm manufacturing process. It's also the first processor to use ARM's Mali-G71 MP8 GPU for improved graphics and gaming performance.
At today's press conference, Huawei demonstrated a Kirin 960 test device alongside an iPhone 7 Plus and Samsung Galaxy Note 7, demonstrating that out of the 14 most common apps in China, 13 launch fastest using Kirin 960, as opposed to the two competing devices.
Huawei's own numbers show that Apple's A10 processor still rules in single-core performance, however Kirin 960 pulls ahead of the latest iPhones — and all the Android competitors — in the company's multicore tests.
Kirin 960's new Mali-G71 GPU is 180% faster than the previous generation Mali-T880, coming close to matching the iPhone's graphical prowess; Huawei contends that other areas of Kirin's performance allow it to feel faster — for instance, faster random read/writes thanks to UFS 2.1 storage support. (For what it's worth, Mali-G71 is the GPU rumored to appear in Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S8 in early 2017.
Huawei's already using the GPU rumored to come with the Galaxy S8.
Connectivity-wise, Kirin 960 significantly adds native CDMA support, which potentially allows it to potentially break into markets where the standard is still in use, like the United States. (Previously, CDMA tech would've been licensed from Qualcomm.) The new chip also supports four component carriers (4CC) for LTE, as opposed to rivals' 3CC, effectively adding extra channels for data throughput, and making it easier to hit peak data speeds of 600Mbps. There's support for Cat. 12 LTE for downloads, and Cat. 13 for uploads, and support for radio frequencies between 330MHz and 3.8GHz, opening up the chip a wide range of carriers globally. Huawei also says it's improved radio performance in specific, challenging situations, like using data on a high-speed train.
Huawei also talked up the new chip's camera capabilities, demonstrating how its new ISP (image signal processor), which it says takes smartphone cameras "closer to the vision of the human eye." These can create clearer images, showing improvements in fine detail reproduction through an "eye test" between its new image processing tech and the iPhone 7 Plus. The processor also allows for a wider range of refocusing options than previous generations. (Naturally, overall image quality will depend on the optics paired with Kirin 960 in upcoming phones.)
'How can we reduce the power consumption of finding Pokémon?'
Battery life continues to be a major focus, and Huawei used the example of Pokémon Go to show how it can work to reduce power consumption from demanding apps. Working with partners, Huawei says the optimizations in its low-power i6 "smart sensing" core allows users to go from less than half a day of Pokémon catching to 1.2 days — thanks to enhancements like low-power GPS.
When it comes to security, Huawei announced that Kirin 960 has been certified by UnionPay and the People's Bank of China for use with mobile payments. Meanwhile Huawei's Kirin inSE security design builds security into the SoC design itself, adding over 1000 "anti-hacking sensors," along with a 3-tier security system and support for financial industry standard encryption techniques.
Huawei didn't officially announce any new phones with the processor, however the features showcased at today's Kirin presser show what we're likely to see from the next Huawei flagship — the rumored Mate 9 when it's announced on November 3 in Munich, Germany.
Unless QHD screen on Mate 9, this performance won't be something great to what we have on Mate 8. Or maybe more memory like 256Gb internal, to attract people like me to buy over Mate 8.
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bluheart said:
Unless QHD screen on Mate 9, this performance won't be something great to what we have on Mate 8. Or maybe more memory like 256Gb internal, to attract people like me to buy over Mate 8.
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For me this is enought to attract me to the Mate 9:
Kirin 960's new Mali-G71 GPU is 180% faster than the previous generation Mali-T880, coming close to matching the iPhone's graphical prowess; Huawei contends that other areas of Kirin's performance allow it to feel faster — for instance, faster random read/writes thanks to UFS 2.1 storage support. (For what it's worth, Mali-G71 is the GPU rumored to appear in Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S8 in early 2017.
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In 2018 they will release kirin990 processor with 250% better things
A very good processor and impressive GPU Mali-G71. For usual (flat) Mate 9, this will be more than enough for excellent performance and experience.
Horsepower just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
I'm not a gamer, but, I use the hell out of my device.
Anywhere from 1500-2000 minutes on the phone per month, hundreds of text/mms per month
50-100 photos per month, 5-6GB of LTE data per month, more on wireless.
The Mate2 served me well, for over 2 years without any issues. Best $300 bucks I ever spent.
When the 8 came out last year, everything BUT the price interested me.
When the 9 was announced, I started watching the price on the 8. When it dropped to around 400
dollars, I got one.
Anything on the 9 I can do without. Who knows, maybe in over a year or two, the "last years" flagship
will drop and I'll get one of those.
I just can't justify spending upwards of 600 dollars or more for a silly phone.
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Hello XDA friends，I'm Huawei Mate9 customer from China.After Huawei P10 used different flash,I use Androbench 5.0.1 to test my smartphone,and the test result is so terrible(Sequential R/W 387/34;Random R/W 76/11 MB/s).And then,I meet many customer（about 1600）get similar test result.
We dismantled several smartphones in different huawei offical customer centers,and we identify this flash mode is Toshiba THGBF7G8K4LBATR（UFS2.0 HS-G3 2-Lane） or Samsung KLUBG4G1CE-B0B1(UFS2.0 HS-G3 1-Lane (max 5.8Gbps)).After we read JEDEC,Toshiba and Samsung official parametric document,find they are both UFS2.0 flash instead of UFS2.1.And huawei claimed that the product was used UFS2.1.
We have reflected this problem to Huawei，but huawei told us all Mate9 are used UFS2.1 flash and denied their frauds.
In addition,some mate9's test results can reach more than 800MB/s sequential read，but it does not mean it is used UFS2.1 flash.According to definition of JEDEC JESE220C（UFS2.1），the key of distinguishing between two kinds of flash is other functions.For details, please refer to the picture.
Now Huawei customer service doesn't give a solution to the problem.Mainstream technology media did’t even report this one thing in China.I hope XDA Mate9 customer can know this thing and stand up customer rights.
Thank you for reporting it. It's a shame Huawei doesn't care about its customers in such a bad fashion!
anyways, regarding the opponent's available on the smartphone market and their prices I guess Huawei won't care. Maybe they delivered the better flashs to Europe because the higher prices due change amount, but this a a fact only Huawei will be sure of. We all can only guess, but I didn't see a Europe mate 9 ATM lower sequential reading than 500 mb/s. even how the technical components work together with each other we can't be sure. And just to be true : I couldn't experience any noteable difference to my P9 and the P9 lite ( Seems my mate 9 uses the ufs 2.1 with 750 mb/s ) between the speeds of the flash in daily usage, even in high-end gaming.. Nothing
And I'm not sure how exact the results of that benchmarks are because the many parameters acting here ( Background Apps, Battery percentage, running apps, maybe even just installed and not running apps ( Fragmenting the internal memory )?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/guide-method-to-flash-part-to-ufs2-0-t3598938
WieserZ1C said:
anyways, regarding the opponent's available on the smartphone market and their prices I guess Huawei won't care. Maybe they delivered the better flashs to Europe because the higher prices due change amount, but this a a fact only Huawei will be sure of. We all can only guess, but I didn't see a Europe mate 9 ATM lower sequential reading than 500 mb/s. even how the technical components work together with each other we can't be sure. And just to be true : I couldn't experience any noteable difference to my P9 and the P9 lite ( Seems my mate 9 uses the ufs 2.1 with 750 mb/s ) between the speeds of the flash in daily usage, even in high-end gaming.. Nothing
And I'm not sure how exact the results of that benchmarks are because the many parameters acting here ( Background Apps, Battery percentage, running apps, maybe even just installed and not running apps ( Fragmenting the internal memory )?
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Please see here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/guide-difference-ufs2-0-ufs2-1-flash-t3598967
www.pcmag.com/news/353708/amazon-refreshes-fire-tablets-keeps-low-price-tag
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/17/...let-refresh-release-date-pricing-kids-edition
Nothing exceptional. Likely locked down and (at present) unrootable.
Fire 7 still 1.3Ghz and 1GB RAM. Wonder if any performance improvement say with speed of RAM and/or more efficient CPU. Anyone able to find model of Mediatek CPU vs last Fire 7?
Edit: Found CPU...
https://developer.amazon.com/public...ications/01-device-and-feature-specifications
2017 has a Mediatek MT8127B, 2015 had MT8127D..
https://www.mediatek.com/products/tablets/mt8127
Haven't found difference of B vs D variations.
2017 supports BT 4.1 LE, 2015 supports BT 4.0 LE.
So not much difference. Maybe better/lower power screen.
xenokc said:
Fire 7 still 1.3Ghz and 1GB RAM. Wonder if any performance improvement say with speed of RAM and/or more efficient CPU. Anyone able to find model of Mediatek CPU vs last Fire 7?
Edit: Found CPU...
https://developer.amazon.com/public...ications/01-device-and-feature-specifications
2017 has a Mediatek MT8127B, 2015 had MT8127D..
https://www.mediatek.com/products/tablets/mt8127
Haven't found difference of B vs D variations.
2017 supports BT 4.1 LE, 2015 supports BT 4.0 LE.
So not much difference. Maybe better/lower power screen.
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It looks like the same logic board, with a drop-in replacement for the SoC. I was honestly expecting more from them in a refresh...
Honestly, a quad-core 1.3GHz wouldn't but bad if it weren't an A7, a low-power ARM cpu from 2011. If it were a 64-bit A53 like it's sibling the new HD8, it would be TONs faster.
This has 1GB of RAM, which is ridiculous, although I think we're going to see a lot of devices with 1GB of RAM with the launch of Android GO...
It's still using a Mali-450, which is a low-power GPU from 2012.
Still using N wireless, not even AC.
Honestly, for a $49 tablet, what more should you expect? You get what you pay for....
For my sister who would love one of these to read books, it's realistically all you need, and the increased contrast ratio is nice. For anyone who wants to play Minecraft or use it as a tablet in any capacity, it's absurd. Spend the extra $20 on the HD8.
Can't complain for the price but would expect newer components at same price point. At some point, is more expensive for chip makers to keep making older parts.
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Can't complain for the price but would expect newer components at same price point. At some point, is more expensive for chip makers to keep making older parts.
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Call me touched but thinking Amazon has a pretty good handle on long term component costs. They're not shopping Radio Shack for SOCs. Structures likely locked in for duration of product run with supplier accepting all sub-component pricing risk in exchange for guaranteed minimums.
Makes sense but still odd chipmakers still making such old parts. At some point it's cheaper to make newer faster parts than maintaining old chip lines. Older chip lines eventually lose economies of scale.
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Makes sense but still odd chipmakers still making such old parts. At some point it's cheaper to make newer faster parts than maintaining old chip lines. Older chip lines eventually lose economies of scale.
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Western mindset. Components will likely see widespread use in less affluent markets.
Hey guys,
Really need a favor. For those who own a Blackberry KEYone Black Edition (Indian variant), can you check and see if it uses an LPDDR4 RAM and UFS based storage. Blackberry doesn't seem to reveal that part
You can check that info using the DevCheck application, under the hardware section, or a similar app that can tell the real hardware info. Reason m asking is because the original, silver KEYone uses the slower LPDDR3 and eMMc storage.
I want to urgently know if its just a space increase or that Blackberry has also changed the type of memory...no one seems to even talk about it or mention it. It's really urgent guys and won't take more than few minutes to check that.
Nah, i don't think so. Since 625 doesn't support LPDDR4 and UFS 2.0, even if it supports - the higher RAM frequency won't help much, small margin will be advantaged for the GPU.
The 625 isn't that a new SoC at all since it's been released in 2016, using older DSP resulting in LTE Cat 7 300Mbps at max too, shame :'(. I wonder if the KeyOne is LTE Cat 9 450Mbps, but i don't reckon so.