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ok here goes just bought the phone and got it for $372.00. i checked with t-mobile and google twice. U have to set-up a new line and buy the phone for $179.00 and then cancel with-in 14 days (buyers remorse period). then u keep the phone and pay the new EFT fee of $150.00. the phone comes out to be $372.00 bc those cheap ****s tax you on $529.00 not $179.00. but i have checked with tmobile and google this works i even told them what i was going to do. i am on a family plan but it is in my dads name that is why i am able to setup an account in my name. hope this helps
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ok here goes just bought the phone and got it for $372.00. i checked with t-mobile and google twice. U have to set-up a new line and buy the phone for $179.00 and then cancel with-in 14 days (buyers remorse period). then u keep the phone and pay the new EFT fee of $150.00. the phone comes out to be $372.00 bc those cheap ****s tax you on $529.00 not $179.00. but i have checked with tmobile and google this works i even told them what i was going to do. i am on a family plan but it is in my dads name that is why i am able to setup an account in my name. hope this helps
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You sure you don't have to return the phone to T-Mobile? Subsidized phones have to be returned or the ETF has to be paid to the carrier (plus google's $150 equipment recovery fee) if the contract is canceled. Feel free to try it, but I would suspect you get charged for the phone.
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I like how they're "cheap ****s" yet you're the one trying to scam them out of getting the full price of the phone
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Nice! haha
But yeah you won't get the phone for $372. If you could everyone would be doing it. And next time use the search, you'll find plenty more people like yourself.
cymru said:
@seanhassars
Nice! haha
But yeah you won't get the phone for $372. If you could everyone would be doing it. And next time use the search, you'll find plenty more people like yourself.
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Cheap ****s?
Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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If you said "I plan to get it, then cancel, and then use the phone on my family plan" then that would make sense as they have already been helpful for people who are trying to get these phones on their family plans at less than full price - though I think there are possibly even cheaper ways of doing it that don't involve paying another $150 to Google.
If you said "If I cancel within 14 days will I pay anything?" then they may have said "No" assuming that you would be returning the phone to google which are the standard terms of cancelling under the buyer's remorse clause.
But, did you call T-Mobile and say "I am going to order this phone, then cancel the contract within 14 days and I will *not* be returning the phone to Google"? If so, then they should have told you that they will charge the $200 unless you return the phone.
The entire reason Google dropped the "equipment recovery fee" from $350 to $150 was because of this $200 that T-Mobile collects from you. You can avoid both by returning the phone within 14 days. You can avoid neither by cancelling and keeping the phone, no matter what the time frame is.
Hey flarbear i told tmobile that i am not returning the phone, and they said that they have nothing to do with the phone bc i bought it form Google not them. I mean i have called them 4 times to make sure of this. I don't understand why everyone on this site is getting mad about this if this works it is good for all. also in the term of sale it says to connect the provider to get their termination fee and i am going by that.
I got mine for $330 because I have my own plan and don't live off my parents.
Just saying, what you're planning on doing constitutes fraud. Something that is a rather serious offense, and if found out could lead to much more than that extra ~$140 that you're "saving". Also, as part of buyers remorse, you must return the phone in order to qualify. And even if Tmo isn't selling you the phone directly, a partner is. And since Tmo is the subsidized partner, they're even more willing to charge you extra fees since they make money off the fees and plans, not the phones.
On a different note, if they are truly, without confusion, maliciously deceiving you, then its a whole different ball game.
ps. Your horrific English may have also confused them.
Actually its not fraud. Everything he is doing is totally legal.
It may be against the spirit of the deal google/T-Mobile are offering, but there is absolutely nothing illegal about it. Which part would you say is illegal and which law specifically would relate to it?
It would be fraud if he were buying the phone and saying it was stolen when it wasnt. I would be fraud if he lied to T-Mobile and said that the phone was broken and that's why he is cancelling. In this case he has a right to pay the ETF and terminate early as per the terms of the sale. He is not obligated to disclose why, or even enter into the sale more inclined to keep it than not.
Google charges you a recovery fee if you don't return the phone. That brings you above the price of buying it unsubsidized.
I assume you'll be cancelling your credit card or whatever payment you made with it.
Way to go thief.
google's terms of sale said:
For example, if the full price of the Nexus handheld device without service plan was $529 USD and the price you paid for the Nexus handheld device was $179 USD with a service plan, the Equipment Recovery Fee you pay will be $350 USD in the event you cancel within the first 120 days of carrier service.
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179 + 350 = 529
Then you have t-mobile fees for not returning your device after being "unsatisfied".
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4. Cancellation and Returns. You can cancel your Service without paying an Early Termination Fee if you cancel WITHIN 14 DAYS of activating a new line of Service (30 days if you activate in California; other states may differ "“ ask your sales representative) ("œReturn Period"). You remain responsible to pay for the Service and all charges, fees and taxes incurred through the date of cancellation. To cancel during the Return Period, you must return to the store where you activated (or, if purchased online or by phone, follow the return instructions in the package), and return any Device you acquired at the time of activation. To receive a refund of the purchase price of your Device (less rebates received and shipping costs), you must return it (with original packaging and all contents) within the Return Period in undamaged condition and good working order to the place of purchase. You may be required to pay a restocking fee. If you do not comply with store policy, we may elect not to process your Service cancellation or you may be charged the suggested retail price of the Device, (which may be greater than the price you paid), plus any shipping and handling charges. If you activated your Service through an authorized T-Mobile dealer, the dealer"™s return policy may differ from T-Mobile"™s policies.
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Techinally both t-mobile AND google can come after you for the full price of the phone, meaning 529 x2.
Matter of fact, I encourage you to attemp this little theft, I'd love to see real world repercussions.
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Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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t mobile nor google has any say so on how much tax they want to charge you
I don't understand why you guys are getting mad and attacking his character when you have a problem with his method. He is trying to test out a potential loophole. That is not illegal or fraud, just trying to beat the system.
we have these things called casinos for such endeavors..
While I find the action morally questionable at best, given the changes in Google's terms of sale for the Nexus One it would probably work. You are entering a contract with a premeditated plan to immediately break it to your benefit. It is at the very least a violation of good faith terms but this may or may not be actionable. Even if it is actionable the chances of either party (T-Mo or Google) bothering is not high.
Prior to the changing of the wording there was little doubt you would pay the full price, but they changed the terms due to the outrage at the "double dipping" return fee.
I have no issue with the OP, I just found it rather ironic considering the thread topic that he was upset google had the audactiy to charge him tax on the full retail price and that they were being cheap. I still don't think this would work considering the whole google "if you change/cancel your plan within 120 days you'll be charged the full price of the phone" deal, but if they've changed the wording I say go for it and be the guinea pig.
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Google charges you a recovery fee if you don't return the phone. That brings you above the price of buying it unsubsidized.
179 + 350 = 529
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You should look into this again. Google lowered this fee from the original $350 down to $150. When it was at $350 it was obvious that you would be paying more, but now that they have it at $150 it is no longer so obvious.
Today I received a letter from Asurion stating that my phone was not "Tmobile authorized device" making it ineligible for the extended warranty, so I called Asurion to find out what it does cover. My understanding from the first rep was that they replace with comperable hardware, I've heard others state that you receive a MyTouch, and was told to speak with Claims in order to find out what hardware they speak of.
When talking with the lady from claims I was told that they absolutely replace the phone with a Nexus One or, when there are none, I am to buy one and receive a payment of the difference between the cost and my deductible. I told her that this was totally contradictory of what I was just told, and to make a note on my account of what she stated.
I am wondering if anyone has any experience with such an issue and if that person could shed some light.
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Today I received a letter from Asurion stating that my phone was not "Tmobile authorized device" making it ineligible for the extended warranty, so I called Asurion to find out what it does cover. My understanding from the first rep was that they replace with comperable hardware, I've heard others state that you receive a MyTouch, and was told to speak with Claims in order to find out what hardware they speak of.
When talking with the lady from claims I was told that they absolutely replace the phone with a Nexus One or, when there are none, I am to buy one and receive a payment of the difference between the cost and my deductible. I told her that this was totally contradictory of what I was just told, and to make a note on my account of what she stated.
I am wondering if anyone has any experience with such an issue and if that person could shed some light.
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asurion will not give you the extended warrenty for this device which is why you pay 4.79 instead of 5.99 . That just basically means if you need a replacement, no matter what happened, you'll have to pay the 130 deductible.
In my past experience with them, I always have gotten the same phone if it was in stock, and if it wasn't, then i got upgraded to whatever was top of the line then for only the price of the deductible so I wouldnt worry about them.
Asurion actually is the one company in the cell phone business that doesnt try to bend you over and (you know where this is going ) in my opinion
I complained enough to them untill they told me too just pay 130 and theyd send a brand new nexus. they did. but before they wanted me to buy one for 570 and then send them receipts so they could pay back after...
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I complained enough to them untill they told me too just pay 130 and theyd send a brand new nexus. they did. but before they wanted me to buy one for 570 and then send them receipts so they could pay back after...
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Thats good to hear. What happened to your device?
I would also like to know what happened. What was the process like getting your new Nexus? I have the Asurion insurance too and I want to know what I'm in for. I don't mind paying $130 for a brand new phone, as long as it's brand new! Especially if I don't have to send in the old device...
i'm still not sure why people will pay more for lesser service on their phone insurance.. call any major insurance company and ask for a personal articles policy, tell 'em it's for your phone, and you want $600 coverage. cost you between $30 and $40 a year with no deductible, and they just write you a check in the event that ANYTHING happens to your phone.
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i'm still not sure why people will pay more for lesser service on their phone insurance.. call any major insurance company and ask for a personal articles policy, tell 'em it's for your phone, and you want $600 coverage. cost you between $30 and $40 a year with no deductible, and they just write you a check in the event that ANYTHING happens to your phone.
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Amen! Screw Asurion. Just call up whoever you have your auto insurance through and if they don't offer insurance, call State Farm. No deductible, no questions, $30 a year.
They have nexus one in stock now. I just got mine. Had to wait 2 weeks for them to get nexus one in stock.
Red MacGregor said:
i'm still not sure why people will pay more for lesser service on their phone insurance.. call any major insurance company and ask for a personal articles policy, tell 'em it's for your phone, and you want $600 coverage. cost you between $30 and $40 a year with no deductible, and they just write you a check in the event that ANYTHING happens to your phone.
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It's really that easy huh? I'm going to have to find a local State Farm agent then.
i was told from tmobile that i could not get my n1 insured
because i did not buy it at a tmobile store. Every time i talk to T mobile i get a different story. Hope you figure it out good luck.
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I bought my service plan and cell phone at the Verizon kiosk in Best Buy. I opted in for the $9.99 protection plan. Ive had my phone for more than 30 days. I have a cracked camera lens. Just wondering how their replacement plan works? Their site doesnt have the DInc listed any more so Im not sure if all they do is send it in for repair, replace it, or what.
I remember reading right after dincs eol that people were getting the incredible 2 through Verizon's insurance
Give BestBuy a call and find out what they can do for you, i don't think this is verizions deal
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I remember reading right after dincs eol that people were getting the incredible 2 through Verizon's insurance
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Has nothing to do with Verizon.
Anyone know if I can add Verizon insurance at any time? If I switch Id save $3 a month for what appears to be better service.
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Has nothing to do with Verizon.
Anyone know if I can add Verizon insurance at any time? If I switch Id save $3 a month for what appears to be better service.
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You can only add the Ausurion insurance from Verizon, within the first 30 days of owning the device. I'd call BB and see what they say.
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You can only add the Ausurion insurance from Verizon, within the first 30 days of owning the device. I'd call BB and see what they say.
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Should have had the Verizon insurance.
Just got off the phone with BB. They charge $9.99 a month. If your phone breaks you go in, they take your phone and ship it to a Geek Squad repair center. In the mean time they give you an old school loaner phone at which point my unlimited data package is worthless since I cant do anything. On top of that you pay the $9.99 a month and to get a loaner phone of any sort its $50 while your phone is being repaired.
Hopefully HTC's customer service is worth something.
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Should have had the Verizon insurance.
Just got off the phone with BB. They charge $9.99 a month. If your phone breaks you go in, they take your phone and ship it to a Geek Squad repair center. In the mean time they give you an old school loaner phone at which point my unlimited data package is worthless since I cant do anything. On top of that you pay the $9.99 a month and to get a loaner phone of any sort its $50 while your phone is being repaired.
Hopefully HTC's customer service is worth something.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing that. I will definitely stay away from their protection plans. Ausurion is awesome. I've had to use them once before. They just ship you another phone. The deductible went up recently when they lowered the monthly charge, but it's still well worth it.
Good luck on getting it fixed without too much of a pain.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing that. I will definitely stay away from their protection plans. Ausurion is awesome. I've had to use them once before. They just ship you another phone. The deductible went up recently when they lowered the monthly charge, but it's still well worth it.
Good luck on getting it fixed without too much of a pain.
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Should still be covered under HTC's manufacturer warranty. Not sure if they will replace it or what. Still waiting on them to email me back.
without having to pay your first bill? Obviously I'd pay the ETF
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without having to pay your first bill? Obviously I'd pay the ETF
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I ordered it on T-Mobile out of desperation bc I didnt want to wait another 3 weeks for google to get it in. Ill have it on monday and find out how much t-mobile has put their crap on the phone. Anyways when i agreed to the new contract the etf read to me over the phone was said to be up to 200 dollars. I would tell you that if you dont return the equipment they will charge you the etf and the retail price of the phone.
What sense would it make for T-Mobile to allow you to do this? More than likely, they're going to force you to pay full price for the device as well.
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What sense would it make for T-Mobile to allow you to do this? More than likely, they're going to force you to pay full price for the device as well.
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I don't see why not, there's nothing in their terms that forbids it. I just wanted to see if anyone else has tried it
Yes, so you'll pay $199 plus $200 ETF plus first month of service plus tax and activation fee. So it's about the same as buying it outright.
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I ordered it on T-Mobile out of desperation bc I didnt want to wait another 3 weeks for google to get it in. Ill have it on monday and find out how much t-mobile has put their crap on the phone. Anyways when i agreed to the new contract the etf read to me over the phone was said to be up to 200 dollars. I would tell you that if you dont return the equipment they will charge you the etf and the retail price of the phone.
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I got the phone through T-Mobile. I can confirm there is no T-Mobile bloatware on it. It is pure Android 4.2 goodness
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Yes, so you'll pay $199 plus $200 ETF plus first month of service plus tax and activation fee. So it's about the same as buying it outright.
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I think it also affects your credit if you cancel the contract.
phone bills doesnt count towards credit score. I would of had beautiful credit score by now
if you cancel they charge you there full retail price
My old vzw is on my credit report
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someone on reddit did it, so i followed suit. i'll end up paying a bit more with the first month's cost, but other than that, if you sign up for it with a classic plan and not a value plan(that means you'd be paying for the device full retail or with month payments), you'll just be paying $200+$200ETF+Tax+$35 Activation+first month of service, but that not much more than you'd be paying besides, and you're getting the service, so...
I haven't actually cancelled the contract yet as i was just planning to do it online, but their website has been slow today, and it doesnt seem that i can fully access my account online yet.
well for all that 430 might just buy it outright save yourself the hassle
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well for all that 430 might just buy it outright save yourself the hassle
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This is for the impatient I guess.
You guys really need to become a bit more patient. I'm one of the biggest Android enthusiasts out there and I'm without a phone because my Galaxy Nexus is being repaired but I'm still waiting despite back order status.
I hate to be a little political and tell people how they should be spending their money but if you wanted to piss it away by paying about an extra hundred dollars for a phone you can get readily on eBay for about $50 less or you know, just wait like everyone else, you could've donated that amount and saved a fair number of lives in Africa or insert other third world country.
Alexander DeLarge said:
You guys really need to become a bit more patient. I'm one of the biggest Android enthusiasts out there and I'm without a phone because my Galaxy Nexus is being repaired but I'm still waiting despite back order status.
I hate to be a little political and tell people how they should be spending their money but if you wanted to piss it away by paying about an extra hundred dollars for a phone you can get readily on eBay for about $50 less or you know, just wait like everyone else, you could've donated that amount and saved a fair number of lives in Africa or insert other third world country.
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I believe that problem does not apply to me. Giving people money blindly does not guarantee that their lives will improve. Those countries need infrastructure, not money.
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I got the phone through T-Mobile. I can confirm there is no T-Mobile bloatware on it. It is pure Android 4.2 goodness
I think it also affects your credit if you cancel the contract.
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No, it won't. If you pay the ETF, you've complied with the terms of the contract. It would only be reported to a credit agency if you refused to pay the ETF and they decided to send it to report you to the credit bureaus.
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someone on reddit did it, so i followed suit. i'll end up paying a bit more with the first month's cost, but other than that, if you sign up for it with a classic plan and not a value plan(that means you'd be paying for the device full retail or with month payments), you'll just be paying $200+$200ETF+Tax+$35 Activation+first month of service, but that not much more than you'd be paying besides, and you're getting the service, so...
I haven't actually cancelled the contract yet as i was just planning to do it online, but their website has been slow today, and it doesnt seem that i can fully access my account online yet.
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The only way you can cancel is by calling customer service. You can't do it online or at a T-Mobile store.
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How many of us are there left? I have blocked all updates, so I don't think the charge killer will get me, but if AT&T goes after the imei...
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How many of us are there left? I have blocked all updates, so I don't think the charge killer will get me, but if AT&T goes after the imei...
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I don't think AT&T is going to care either way as long, as they are getting paid for the phone on a monthly basis. My plan with all of this is to turn my Note 7 in for the next note device after it has been supposedly released in February. The way I see it, it will still be on warranty. I hope I'm right.
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I don't think AT&T is going to care either way as long, as they are getting paid for the phone on a monthly basis. My plan with all of this is to turn my Note 7 in for the next note device after it has been supposedly released in February. The way I see it, it will still be on warranty. I hope I'm right.
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They just sent me an email that 1/5 I would get nailed.
I think it's going to come as an ota update
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They just sent me an email that 1/5 I would get nailed.
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I've disabled all ota updates from Samsung. This shouldn't affect me.
This will be interesting........
I intended to return mine the last week of the year. I recently had surgery and am laid up until after the 19th. If they kill my phone with me not being able to return it for documented, legitimate medical reasons and with this device/service my sole means of communication for emergency services if needed. What happens if I need help after they kill my phone?
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This will be interesting........
I intended to return mine the last week of the year. I recently had surgery and am laid up until after the 19th. If they kill my phone with me not being able to return it for documented, legitimate medical reasons and with this device/service my sole means of communication for emergency services if needed. What happens if I need help after they kill my phone?
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I guess you're a goner :angel:
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I don't think AT&T is going to care either way as long, as they are getting paid for the phone on a monthly basis. My plan with all of this is to turn my Note 7 in for the next note device after it has been supposedly released in February. The way I see it, it will still be on warranty. I hope I'm right.
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I don't have confidence that the Package disabler will block all updates.
The nightmare continues....
Against doctors orders I went to the AT&T store today where it took 2+ hours to return my phone for a refund. The first person had no clue what to do. Finally the manager got involved. The refund was .5% less because the tax rate was higher at the store where I purchased it. They couldn't cancel my line or my account in the store so I called Customer Care from the store. I then found out that there was a contract on the S2 Gear Watch that I got with the phone as part of a bundle deal. "OK, I'll give you the watch back, accessories are part of the Samsung buy back, right?" I was told I needed the box, and all the original packaging..... "OK, I'll keep the watch and pay the $10 /month for the remaining time." Nope! you now need a data plan with the watch! That will be $40 per month, thank you. Remember, I now do not have a phone with them of any kind. After 3 calls and 30 minutes on hold, being told multiple times different things on the phone and by the store manager I ended up early cancellation on the watch which costs me about $135. I am also being told now the watch can not be unlocked so it can be used on another carrier.
Do not believe the BS that they are covering the accessories.
I thought to make things easier I would do it on the last day of the billing cycle which I thought was today. Later I found out that the verbiage on the web site is confusing and it was really yesterday. Then I find out that ATT does not prorate the last months bill. My monthly bill is normally about $100.
So now I have a $235 bill coming for device I either don't have or can't use (It still is a watch I suppose) and service I can't use all thru no fault of my own because of the Note7 recall.
I will most likely be buying an S8 but you can believe me when I say it will not be from ATT.
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I don't have confidence that the Package disabler will block all updates.
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I didn't use a package disabler program. I hid packages using a shell. I should be fine.
No way in hell i would have left paying early termination. I got my watch with my Note 7 and I've been told several times if I turn my phone in, i can also return the watch with no contract fee. I would escalate the matter cause thats crazy
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No way in hell i would have left paying early termination. I got my watch with my Note 7 and I've been told several times if I turn my phone in, i can also return the watch with no contract fee. I would escalate the matter cause thats crazy
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I didn't pay anything. They refused to take it back since I didn't have the box and are adding the early termination to the final bill, that I have yet to get.