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Hi guys I need to make a decision to sell the z3+ and get the z5, so basically need some camera/ heat comparisons
If you have any samples please post. thanks
Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl
Actually I didn't like the camera, and definitely there is a heating problem with this phone :/
btw, do I need to buy a rapid/fast charger or the one included in the box does the job?
Z3+ Heat
Naffets said:
Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl
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Got the z3+ had some heat issues, While charging its just cool, only thing it closes soon while slow motion and AR Effects due to heat. thats the issue. So basically it has the same issue as Z3+?
If so i might stick with the z3+
I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.
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I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.
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awaiting your return.lol
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awaiting your return.lol
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Good to see you brother! Feel free to ask any questions
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Heat-wise. Z5 runs at least 5/6 degree C lower than Z3+ performing the same set of heavy tasks (I did 6/7 consecutive Antutu runs with identical starting temp on both). Dual heat pipe FTW - no kidding.
If Z3+ heating is bothering you too much, you should consider Z5. They both have the same SoC & things are not going to run any faster on Z5 (when both are cold/warm), but you'll see a big difference only if you're pushing Z3+ towards its throttling range (which you are as it sounds like). Dual heat pipe aside, Z5 should have some sw optimizations that Z3+ will probably get shortly. It should definitely make a difference.
You should also check out that 'throttle fix' thread on Z3+ forum. It makes a big difference if you go with @nfs2010 's fix. That was our second heat pipe lol If you don't like the fix, get Z5. If you do, just wait for Z6/7!
I'll post some pictures later on.
@schecter7
thanks man.actually I'm most concerned with overall speed as I have no lag what so ever on my Z2 and Z3 so I would hate it on Z5.any comments on general speed and multitasking?
also if u could do some screen comparisons that would be awesome.or comment on it.hows reflectivity?low I hope
@josephnero I've attached some pictures showing Z5 , Z3+, Z2 (left to right, also image enhancement off & default WB on all) screens in action. Z5 screen can get dimmer than the other two - I think. So for normal usage, the slider needs to be set to a higher position to get the same brightness output. Z3+ is the brightest one but I never had to use anywhere near its maximum brightness, so Z5 is totally fine. I'll post some pictures later on to compare sunlight legibility. But so far I haven't had any issue using it outdoor. You probably have to use a screen protector to avoid fingerprints.
Multitasking is great - no hiccups. It can definitely handle heavy tasks better than my Z2. Only occasional lag I have seen is on the MT window while trying to close apps. Surprisingly, it happens more often when there's only one app lol Z3+ had some similar minor bugs that they've fixed with fw updates quite fast. Overall, Z3+ feels a bit faster - UI & camera wise , but it got three updates in four months. So keep an eye on the updates if that concerns you. Z2 & Z3 both are amazing phones, so the bar is quite high - I understand
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Thanks man.Awesome job.Z5 seems a bit more reddish but we all know z3 has a cold tint.Also I remember at IFA the sony rep said new camera UI update is coming in november.hopefully it will further Improve the awesome cam
Thanks mate, hope i will stick with the z3+ for now. I don't mind it heats up as long as it does not close the awesome AR Effects/mask
Anyhow thanks for giving the comparisons
There are my samples from Z3+ and Z5.
Z3+
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-RWh4QS1zcjdXMms/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dVFzcHprN0NpV0E/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
Z5
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-ZVFzZ3p2U2Q1ZWM/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-NUFBTTZwM2x5TTg/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-alB4MTVVTkJmd3c/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dG9wYXlOcnF2ajA/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
I am hoping that the new camera UI update in December will improve camera.
About heat. Z5 heats less than Z3+. Only when I am playing heavy games and using AR Effects and AR Mask Z5 heats quicker and gets hot(it doesn't close those camera apps like on Z3+) but in daily use it is little warm. And Z5 works better than Z3+ (although Z3+ works good after 2 updates) but I think Sony will fix that on Z3+ with Android 6. Battery on Z5 is almost the same as on Z3+; slightly better.
Those are main answers on your questions.
Guys, I've been bought Z5c to replace my Z1c(I also own a S6). Still very busying to test the z5c now, if you guys got any questions regarding Z5c feel free to ask me in this thread(if there are still any Z1c survivor here...).
My first impression vs. Z1c(and vs. S6):
1. Camera way faster and fixed the annoyed focus issue. The camera launch speed slightly slower than S6 but close to it. The focus speed at low light S6 a bit faster but Z5c already done a good job like 3x better and blow out Z1c completely.
2. Camera details isn't much better than Z1c only little improvements there, yet S6 got better details. Color, WB, AE is accurate than Z1c and S6, however sometimes you'll think that it is just too accurate and not as eye caught as Z1c/S6(they do more tweaking while Z5c towards to neutral side, the overall style still Sony and similar to Z1c).
3. Speaking to camera shutter lag and saving speed. S6 got instant speed in this area, Z5c slower but 3x faster than Z1c again.
4. Sceen is much better than Z1c like next generation with noticeably better color, WB, brightness, viewing angle and more clear. No doubt the 5.1" 2K on S6 is sharper, Z5c is just 720p but an exceptional quality one for this kind of resolution.
5. Support double tap to wake in stock rom. S6 needs root or custom kernel/rom to get this function.
6. Fingerprint recognition looks more sensitive than my S6, no worse than ip6/6s I think.
7. s810 on 720P is extremely fast, the smoothness is around the same with Exynos 7420 on S6. Kicks ass though the s800 on Z1c is already very fast but Z5c performs even much more responsively, no slower than S6 in my opinions. What the drawback on s810 it gets hot during heavy gaming or video recording but manged to an okay level for any s808/s810. If you want to get a cool device, I'm afraid Exynos 7420 is the only choice in 2015 until s820 comes out.
8. Battery life is identical to Z1c but since I've only got it for 3 days, I can't tell much at right now, it takes time to know. But it seems no worse than Z1c of 4.4.4/5.1.1, 2700mAh feed the s810 well. Expected to out perform Z1c when Android 6.0 arrive.
9. Solid build quality but I think S6 and Z1c more premium with metal bumper. Z5c goes to the fashion design, more young and motivative, not the same direction on S6/Z1c.
10. Speaker is superior. To be honest, S6 speaker also sounds out loudly but Z5c got very stereo feeling.
11. MicroSD supports up to 200GB, IPX67 rated, glove mode is still there. Finally no flag usb port with quick charge 2.0. USB-OTG is supported but you have to click USB connectivity to ask it to detect. S6 got an IR blaster which is also useful if you got many electronic devices at home or like to remote the TV in restaurant.
12. Internal storage speed lots quicker than Z1c though can't beat the more advanced emmc used on S6.
13. The front LED is as good as Z1c/S6, that LED notification is bad on Z3c.
14. After rebooting both Z5c/S6 got exactly 1GB free memory on stock rom(currently both of my Z5c/S6 running on stock rom without root) but I'll probably very soon to unlock and root Z5c bcoz I want to try to limit cpu speed to reduce heat.
My Z5c is running on latest firmware(second OTA) and it's been improved much on speed, those reviews on net are dated now. Sony said new camera update will come in this month so we'll see.
My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand
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My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand
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The size is identical to Z3c but the bezel shape looks like an older WP phone similar to Lumia 920. Especially if you get a yellow model.
Turn on Stamina mode will help but I think the ultimate solution is to lower the max cpu speed plus switch to other governor(waiting custom kernel). It's sure getting hotter but that's happened on every other s808/s810 phone in this year. Exynos 7420 is the only one suffering from this issue, it also warmer than s800/801.
Screen and camera has the major goodness. This monitor got very accurate color and decent viewing angle, both made it finally like a true IPS this time. The speaker is real very stereo. Camera focus at low light S6 still faster and better, I've done some extensive testing about this yesterday but Z5c focus easy beat all older xperia phones.
Other than the heat problem(can be solved after root by reduce cpu I think) and no OIS. I'll say every part got juice and definitely an upgrade for any small phone lover.
I'll post some indoor and night shot I've done last night of Z5c and S6 soon, including FHD/4K. I'll offer all in original size, please check this thread again.
I came from the Note 4 (N910C). Had to sell it to fund my laptop (which was a priority) and settled for a Nexus 5. The N5's great, but rarely suits my need for battery life (2300ish mAh) and media usage (camera, below mediocre quality).
Now, with a limited budget in mind, I'm just looking for a new phone that has better battery life than my N5 (2 to almost 2.5hr SOT) and has better camera (also, retaining the responsiveness as well).
I hope you can guys help me decide: is the G3 still worth it? Thanks!
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I'm a custom rom nut too so that's one feature i enjoy doing with my phone.
I would say go for it.Battery life is good(4-5 hours Sot,also depends on your usage),camera is fast and great.
Only thing you wouldn't like will be the display.G3 has washed out colors and very low contrast compared to your old note 4.Even my old xperia sp had better contrast than g3.In sunlight,you wouldn't be able to see dark videos properly.However,if you root it,you would be able to tweak those settings but it will never be as near to amoled.
Performance is also great.It is smooth and fluid and soon it will have marshmallow which would further increase performance and battery life(I hope so).
If display isn't a problem for you then go for it.Or you can check yourself from market and then decide
thanks! ive seen mods for emulating amoled screens.. im all for fluidity, resposiveness and battery life. thanks!
btw, nothing can beat my experience with the note 4 display. but with my nexus 5, a non-amoled display phone, things are well ok for me already..
Well i think nexus 5 has better contrast and saturation than g3.G3 display is only praised due to its 4k resolution.Its colors and contrast are really worse.
i see. my mom has a g3 beat, is the display almost the same to the normal g3?
I don't know really but may be it would be better in terms of contrast and colors
ok. thanks for the heads up guys
I found the display of the g3 just fine, you can adjust contrast and saturation yourself and with a custom kernel you can do even more.
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Hi everyone ,
I thought of getting the s7 edge but the 10 was pretty impressive. Which should I go for ? I flash Roms a lot and will definitely root it. I will be getting it unlocked for sure.
I had the HTC ONE M8. My contract was up this year. I went for the S7 EDGE and aside from missing the IR blaster, I don't regret it. However the lack of decent tempered glass screen protectors for the S7E is irritating.
That said, if the Edge model did not exist and the choice was between regular S7 and HTC 10, I would have stuck with HTC. The Edge uniqueness pipped it for me. I actually use the Edge UI quite a bit.
FYI some more background, I left Samsung years ago and switched to HTC for two reasons 1) fed up with TouchWiz and bloat ware 2) plastic materials. Something I felt HTC were addressing with their Sense and metal materials. I've gone full circle again. TouchWiz is less bloated now and actually enjoyable to use. And the hardware feels premium.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
I love HTC, but now, i would pick the S7 edge.
Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
HTC 10 I liked best the camera.
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
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I dont know whats so amazing about higher manual brightness being higher, i keep mine on auto, and outdoors i can see the screen no problem, the 10 has way worst outdoor visibility.
Phones are getting stagnant. The S7Edge is the farthest a device can get as a whole package. Next year is where innovation should be made. Any device that you buy this year will have no problem bolding up beyond 2 yrs. I feel like sammy did the right thing with the s7, its improved in every possible aspect. As i said, the htc 10 is a good device compared to this year's flagships, but its the a great upgrade from the M9 and M8.
The htc 10 would be a great phone if priced well. 500$ is the best price for it. It doesnt offer much from the 6p, so it should be priced against it.
I have one more T-Mobile jump until it resets in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades for the year. I'm going to look at the HTC 10 but I don't know if I'll take the leap. Battery life is most important to me and I don't think the 10 will come close to the 8 hours SOT I'm getting with my S7E.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
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Thanks a lot for the comparison. It's really helpful. I'll just get the S7 and the 10 at a go. I'll return either one. BTW I live outside the States.
And thanks, everyone for your thoughts.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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Sorry I used the wrong wording. I know you don't have to hit the power button - what I implied was you must hit the home button, physically push it down to wake the device for your fingerprint to be read. If Samsung would have found a way to avoid that requirement, the fingerprint sensor would be a lot more appreciable to me. I dislike the physical home button all together truthfully. I strongly prefer the 10's home button.
I've been using the S7E for a few days now. The 10 has been sitting at home, and will likely be getting returned. It's a good phone in a lot of ways. Maybe even a great phone. But every other phone out there is the best at something. The 10 is best at almost nothing, but good/great at everything. Problem is, most of those phones that are the best at something are also good/great at everything else too.
My biggest complaint with the 10 is the display. It just sucks compared to OLED. It has crazy motion blur, low brightness below 75%, a pink tint to the entire screen even viewed straight on, and has lesser contrast (but very good contrast for LCD). That combined with the display being SMALL, makes it a loss for me. I just don't want to use it as much as I do the S7E or the 6P.
I was really excited about the audio. I was really excited about the camera. I was really excited about the build. It gets all of those things right. But so do the other two phones I mentioned for the most part (headphone audio isn't that good on the S7E, but it's not bad enough to make me not want to use it). With a 5.5" OLED display, the 10 would've been phone of the year in my book, no questions asked.
Hey guys i'm looking to buy a new phone (currently using the nexus 5x) and i've got my sights on the G6 or S7 Edge . The phones will be european versions so H870 and G935F . I would like to know if the G6 has any issues like bootlooping or overheating , how is the overall performance , battery life in general information of the device what you like in it and what you dislike . My personal points for upgrading are battery life coz i get a max of 3hrs sot with lets say an hour of gaming listening to music and messenger and the performance because the 5x throttles hard . Does the H870 come with anything like amp or wireless charging ?
Great hardware, ok software, very late updates
If you want screen on time I would look at Lenovo P2. 12-13 SOT, SD625 SOC, 5100Mah battery and amoled screen and over 4 days on standby for approx £225. Ok the camera is pants but everything else is great. G6 looks great but battery standby performance is rubbish. Either root it or gamble that Oreo will sort this out. S7 good phone but those bezels are sooo big and the edge is a bit of a gimmick. Have you considered Honor 9? Specs look good. I chose G6 H870DS over S7 but now wish I had bought a Lenovo P2. Good luck.
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If you want screen on time I would look at Lenovo P2. 12-13 SOT, SD625 SOC, 5100Mah battery and amoled screen and over 4 days on standby for approx £225. Ok the camera is pants but everything else is great. G6 looks great but battery standby performance is rubbish. Either root it or gamble that Oreo will sort this out. S7 good phone but those bezels are sooo big and the edge is a bit of a gimmick. Have you considered Honor 9? Specs look good. I chose G6 H870DS over S7 but now wish I had bought a Lenovo P2. Good luck.
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From Huawei i looked up to the P10 but i see on the xda threat that it has minor custom rom,kernel,apps community but its a viable option . Im looking for good screen on time not the best but good enough for lets say 5 hours sot that will get me easily through the day also im looking for good performance in games and the wide angle lens seems sweet.
I make 5 h SOT easy , and i had the huawei p10 plus and i can say , LG G6 has better gaming performance than the p10 plus , i run pes2018 with no problem , the huawei had very lag so i couldn't play it
The camera is desapointing , the p10 is much better ( my opinion , dont judge me )
The p10 also looks faster in everyday use , opening apps , switching apps etc...
Interesting, I own a S7 Edge (Snapdragon) and a G6, but not the models you've listed running stock. I'll point out the main stuff first for the G6 that you wanted to know:
Bootloop: Not yet, but afraid of. I bought the G6 because it was ~ 250usd!
Overheat: No overheat for my G6.
Performance: My G6 is smooth... I don't think the Exynos is better than that.
Battery: The G6 has an odd idle battery drain, heavy use is fine. I get 5~7 SOT with heavy use, but seems like no one else gets 7 hours.
Wireless Charging: Seems like only US/Canada and G6+ come with that. S7 Edge has it.
Amp: Do you mean for audio output? The G6 without quad-dac is for low impedance headphones, like very low... the Exynos S7 Edge doesn't have the same internal DAC as I have so I can't comment on that.
I think you'll get used to the G6 faster than the S7 from the Nexus 5x. The navbar, the fingerprint sensor, closer to stock android than Touchwiz... but you may want something different .
For extra stuff, read below
LG G6:
Wide-angle (but check the 2.09 vs 2.01mm lens : https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/7gqln4/lg_g6_is_produced_with_2_versions_of_wide_angle/)
Different aspect-ratio, may see black bars for 16:9 picture/videos
FM Radio
Navigation bar
IPS Display -> Screen retention only (no nav buttons/status bar burn-in)
Power button is at the back (odd if new to LG G series)
Fingerprint at the back like the 5x
S7 Edge:
Better front and back camera
Wireless charging
Vivid screen colors and deep blacks
Screen burn-in
Custom roms from xda? it seems to have great support for your model
Rumored 3rd year of update as the rumored Oreo update for the S6
Hardware buttons, my home button has a weird click noise now.
Curved screen, this is gorgeous but I don't like to watch videos on it, especially the subtitles that goes with the curve and it is hard to get and apply a screen protector that covers the entire thing!
Anyways, hope it helps
The G6 is in my opinion a good all round phone and does most things very well. It will easily get you through the day with 5 hours SOT but will need recharging every night. I have never had any issues with the phone overheating, lagging or crashing. The phone is very well built and it’s quality is in a different league to the G5. Personally this is the best smartphone camera I have used and the wide angle lens is a useful addition. The screen and the lack of bezels are what attracted me this phone along with the fact that it cost me half the original price 3 months after its launch.
What annoys me most is the fact that LG are very slow to update with security patches and more importantly android updates. There is a well known problem with poor standby battery drain in Nougat that some other manufacturers have addressed. Losing 15-20% of battery overnight is rubbish and we are hoping Oreo might improve this. LG sell a lot less phones than Samsung or Apple and have less resources/staff to develop products and update firmware. So whilst they are sorting Oreo for th V30 and developing the G7 we might have to wait well into 2018 for a G6 Oreo update. I so hope I am wrong!
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Interesting, I own a S7 Edge (Snapdragon) and a G6, but not the models you've listed running stock. I'll point out the main stuff first for the G6 that you wanted to know:
Bootloop: Not yet, but afraid of. I bought the G6 because it was ~ 250usd!
Overheat: No overheat for my G6.
Performance: My G6 is smooth... I don't think the Exynos is better than that.
Battery: The G6 has an odd idle battery drain, heavy use is fine. I get 5~7 SOT with heavy use, but seems like no one else gets 7 hours.
Wireless Charging: Seems like only US/Canada and G6+ come with that. S7 Edge has it.
Amp: Do you mean for audio output? The G6 without quad-dac is for low impedance headphones, like very low... the Exynos S7 Edge doesn't have the same internal DAC as I have so I can't comment on that.
I think you'll get used to the G6 faster than the S7 from the Nexus 5x. The navbar, the fingerprint sensor, closer to stock android than Touchwiz... but you may want something different .
For extra stuff, read below
LG G6:
Wide-angle (but check the 2.09 vs 2.01mm lens : https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/7gqln4/lg_g6_is_produced_with_2_versions_of_wide_angle/)
Different aspect-ratio, may see black bars for 16:9 picture/videos
FM Radio
Navigation bar
IPS Display -> Screen retention only (no nav buttons/status bar burn-in)
Power button is at the back (odd if new to LG G series)
Fingerprint at the back like the 5x
S7 Edge:
Better front and back camera
Wireless charging
Vivid screen colors and deep blacks
Screen burn-in
Custom roms from xda? it seems to have great support for your model
Rumored 3rd year of update as the rumored Oreo update for the S6
Hardware buttons, my home button has a weird click noise now.
Curved screen, this is gorgeous but I don't like to watch videos on it, especially the subtitles that goes with the curve and it is hard to get and apply a screen protector that covers the entire thing!
Anyways, hope it helps
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Very useful information ! I looked at the G6 because the S7 Edge is getting 2 years old in about 3 month and the G6 is basically on par with the S7 Edge for specs and i see it as ''more future proof'' than the S7 Edge because of the design and dual camera setup . My only concern is the bootloop and that i saw reviews of the G6 having inconsistent performance and getting pretty hot , also because a friend of mine has the G5 idk if the G6 is even comparable to the G5 but he had a world of trouble with it 6 months into owning it he had to sent it in for a screen replacement then a battery replacement also it fragmented his data once. All I want is a better phone than the 5x with better battery and some kind of "future proof".
Ringanar said:
Very useful information ! I looked at the G6 because the S7 Edge is getting 2 years old in about 3 month and the G6 is basically on par with the S7 Edge for specs and i see it as ''more future proof'' than the S7 Edge because of the design and dual camera setup . My only concern is the bootloop and that i saw reviews of the G6 having inconsistent performance and getting pretty hot , also because a friend of mine has the G5 idk if the G6 is even comparable to the G5 but he had a world of trouble with it 6 months into owning it he had to sent it in for a screen replacement then a battery replacement also it fragmented his data once. All I want is a better phone than the 5x with better battery and some kind of "future proof".
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Yeah I agree that the G6 looks more future proof with the design.
For the bootloop I'm not sure because I'm new to LG, I made sure to buy somewhere that LG would offer a warranty.
Your friend's case seems to be an immense trouble hahaha, he probably hates LG by now lol
Anyways, better phone overall is subjective so I can't decide for you with that , even if the 5x is from 2015.
Edit: And the batteries from both should in general be better than the 5x
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Yeah I agree that the G6 looks more future proof with the design.
For the bootloop I'm not sure because I'm new to LG, I made sure to buy somewhere that LG would offer a warranty.
Your friend's case seems to be an immense trouble hahaha, he probably hates LG by now lol
Anyways, better phone overall is subjective so I can't decide for you with that , even if the 5x is from 2015.
Edit: And the batteries from both should in general be better than the 5x
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You have both of them S7 and G6 what do you think about the display quality ? Brightness and colors ?
Ringanar said:
You have both of them S7 and G6 what do you think about the display quality ? Brightness and colors ?
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Really not sure what to tell you about that...
Both have high resolution displays (QHD and QHD+), but I think the G6 has crisper images without looking at the ppi thing. Make sure to turn on QHD (1440p) for the S7 Edge! It is FHD (1080p) by default on Nougat. Just go to Display -> Screen Resolution.
Brightness I don't know, they both seem bright enough... for anything?
The S7 Edge has a little green tint near the 2 edges (left and right). With adaptive display on, the white is more white than the LG, the black is always more black, greater contrast, The colors are saturated. You can change the settings if you find it too vibrant by going to Display -> Screen mode.
The G6 has a cold display (blue tint everywhere). Colors are less vibrant compared to the S7 Edge. If you want, you can try going to accessibility -> vision -> screen color ajustment, tap on manual and slide a bit down the circle for higher contrast. It supports HDR, but seems to be useless for me as I don't use it at all.
The red on the G6 is like the red from a regular ballpoint pen that I was not used to. On the S7 Edge the red is a little bit orange which seems to be normal? The blue and green are similar, only that the S7 Edge's color is always more vibrant/popping to my eyes.
My opinion: I really don't mind which one I use, I have seen way worse screens.
Other issues that I have seen in real life (not on mine)
S7 Edge: Pink vertical line, Burn-in on the status bar
G6 : White bleed
In the end, I think the best thing to do if you have time, is go to a shop that has the S7 Edge and the G6 as a demo, take some time to compare those 2 if you are still focused on those 2, experience with those, and then choose the one you like .
Feel free to ask more questions if you want
Side note:
Are you planning to use emulators (NDS, PSP) on your device? I find the LG's display size better for those, more space for the controls. Also, I don't feel comfortable using an OLED because the controls may damage the display...
I'm waiting for my G6 to be delivered.
I did have a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus....which was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC on every level...battery life, performance etc....definitely beats the G6 in every way possible.
BUT, I cracked the screen on my S8...so sold it on Ebay and advertised it with the cracked screen and I had 51 bids and it soled for £400.00 !! AMAZING!
So I Bought a brand new LG G6 on Ebay for £260....lol can't fault the bargain!
Last LG I owned was the G3..which was awesome, even though the G6 screen is small compared to S8 Plkus...i'm hoping its gonna be a good phone anyway.
Matt
TFutoMaki said:
Really not sure what to tell you about that...
Both have high resolution displays (QHD and QHD+), but I think the G6 has crisper images without looking at the ppi thing. Make sure to turn on QHD (1440p) for the S7 Edge! It is FHD (1080p) by default on Nougat. Just go to Display -> Screen Resolution.
Brightness I don't know, they both seem bright enough... for anything?
The S7 Edge has a little green tint near the 2 edges (left and right). With adaptive display on, the white is more white than the LG, the black is always more black, greater contrast, The colors are saturated. You can change the settings if you find it too vibrant by going to Display -> Screen mode.
The G6 has a cold display (blue tint everywhere). Colors are less vibrant compared to the S7 Edge. If you want, you can try going to accessibility -> vision -> screen color ajustment, tap on manual and slide a bit down the circle for higher contrast. It supports HDR, but seems to be useless for me as I don't use it at all.
The red on the G6 is like the red from a regular ballpoint pen that I was not used to. On the S7 Edge the red is a little bit orange which seems to be normal? The blue and green are similar, only that the S7 Edge's color is always more vibrant/popping to my eyes.
My opinion: I really don't mind which one I use, I have seen way worse screens.
Other issues that I have seen in real life (not on mine)
S7 Edge: Pink vertical line, Burn-in on the status bar
G6 : White bleed
In the end, I think the best thing to do if you have time, is go to a shop that has the S7 Edge and the G6 as a demo, take some time to compare those 2 if you are still focused on those 2, experience with those, and then choose the one you like .
Feel free to ask more questions if you want
Side note:
Are you planning to use emulators (NDS, PSP) on your device? I find the LG's display size better for those, more space for the controls. Also, I don't feel comfortable using an OLED because the controls may damage the display...
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Thank you for the information and yes i do use a bit of emulator for psp games also i tried playing ps2 games but my 5x doesen't have the power to play them .
Ringanar said:
Thank you for the information and yes i do use a bit of emulator for psp games also i tried playing ps2 games but my 5x doesen't have the power to play them .
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No problem.
Where did you find the PS2 emulator ? I tried the Nintendo Gamecube one and it wasn't great for both of my devices. PPSSPP with vulkan support works very nicely and Drastic for NDS is always good, even for lower end devices
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No problem.
Where did you find the PS2 emulator ? I tried the Nintendo Gamecube one and it wasn't great for both of my devices. PPSSPP with vulkan support works very nicely and Drastic for NDS is always good, even for lower end devices
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The PS2 emulator that i found is called !Play .
Also i just watched some reviews is the dual pixel technology on the S7 Edge noticeably better than the G6's Auto focus ?
Ringanar said:
The PS2 emulator that i found is called !Play .
Also i just watched some reviews is the dual pixel technology on the S7 Edge noticeably better than the G6's Auto focus ?
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Thanks I may check that emulator out!
Better autofocus I don't know, they both focus on the right thing but what I've notice is that the S7 edge is faster at focusing. By the way, something that I forgot to mention is that the S7 can have a sony or a samsung sensor. I have the sony one.