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Hey there guys,
I'm from the UK and have a 3 (Three) variant of the LG G2 16GB. While the phone is mostly really fast and speedy, I have really sensative eyes that can detect a bit of lag. Now while this may not really bother many people, it sometimes bothers me as the phone is a 2.3ghz phone. I mean c'mon. I don't get the feeling the CPU clocks itself higher when i'm actually using it to do something.
I.E. Watching HD video on youtube. It runs buttery smooth every 10s or so and then "pop" a little lag occurs (btw it's not buffering, the video is like fully loaded). I don't want that to happen, it just ruins the viewing experience. This also happens in some games (i am aware that games load n stuff during gameplay sometimes) but i've been playing Vector on the highest settings; I came onto this level where there are now 3 characters (2 A.I and me) on the screen. The fps drops and then smoothes out then drops again. This is very weird! Why?!
Please someone help me get this really annoying lag outta ma brand new phone! It would be MUCH APPRECIATED!! <3 (lol)
P.S ( I have read a thread by Stefan063 and he stated
If you are experiencing some of annoying LAG on your G2,here is how to get LAG away (works with my G2) :
1. Type 3845#*802#
2. Scrol down to High Temperature Property OFF,and select
3. Turn it ON...
4. Turn G2 fully off...
5. Wait at least 10sec...
6. Turn it back on and wait about 30sec. when Screen Lock shows...
LAG-FREE G2
I don't know if this'll work for my phone. I have the LG-D802 version
Moreover, I have noticed a couple of days back a very small (quite unnoticable at first) black line on my screen. It's not a scratch, and is behind the glass screen; I think that the pixels or whatever in the that part of the screen have COMPLETELY shutdown. Like, it's gone! Completely black, i'll try and get a screen shot of it. I think I should go back to Three and get a replacement.
Why does the phone also ridiculously overheat when playing games? I get 40 degrees C while gaming according to CPU Z. Can anyone confirm this?
Thank you
Ok, from the top, i think. The YouTube lag has been reported by a few people, but most say that it does not affect them, so I am not sure what the cause is. I play games regularly including Madden 25, Shadowgun Deadzone, and Riptide GP. Even at length, 1+hr straight, I do not get lag or heat build up.
I run my phone in a case. The Ballistic SG case, which I am sure is not good on ventilation. The highest temperature I have gotten gaming with that case on is 98.2F. The highest I have gotten with the case off, when I use my Moga Pro is 93F. I have definitely never had the phone get above 100F and I am fairly certain that the 100F mark is a major point of throttling. If your phone overheats abnormally, this could cause the lag you describe. By the way, I too use CPU-Z for temperature readings.
Also, I believe those instructions turn off thermal throttling, which may make the phone smoother, but since yours may be overheating already, is definitely not advised.
And in the case of your screen, I would definitely get a replacement as that is not normal.
Hope this helps somewhat!!
Hmm....this is very weird indeed. This must mean there's something wrong with my G2. I spoke to LG and they said that the phone should operate between 0c and 40c which is above 100F. And this lag bothers me because this phone is not cheap and is ment to be top of the line.
Might I ask what model and variant of the G2 you are using?
This has helped a lot. Thank you very much. I will go to my carrier ASAP.
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Markesium said:
Hmm....this is very weird indeed. This must mean there's something wrong with my G2. I spoke to LG and they said that the phone should operate between 0c and 40c which is above 100F. And this lag bothers me because this phone is not cheap and is ment to be top of the line.
Might I ask what model and variant of the G2 you are using?
This has helped a lot. Thank you very much. I will go to my carrier ASAP.
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Sad but true! EVERY android phone lags! EVERY ONE OF THEM! Who says otherwise is simply a liar or a blind!
I have not owned but android devices from HTC, Samsung, LG, Nexus etc.. and they all lag to a certain level! Of course Nexuses are the smoothest but still stutter sometimes! It's inherited in Android OS!
Life Engineer, you maybe right. But it's just very weird. I just ask why to these big ass companies, can't you refine your damn devices!
Anyone know if Stefan's trick will work for my phone? I am due to return it tomorrow to my network-carrier but if they don't give me a replacement or help me out, I will try out this trick.
Markesium said:
Life Engineer, you maybe right. But it's just very weird. I just ask why to these big ass companies, can't you refine your damn devices!
Anyone know if Stefan's trick will work for my phone? I am due to return it tomorrow to my network-carrier but if they don't give me a replacement or help me out, I will try out this trick.
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Unfortunately you are right! It's so frustrating to see my friend's iPhone 4 or iPhone 4s smoother then my quad-core beast or my other friends' octacore's beast!
But despite all that I can never imagine myself with an iPhone! I dunno why!
Maybe when they make quadcores with 2GB RAM and real multitasking and 5"+ screens with some logical prices I might!
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.
The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...
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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time
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And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.
lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....
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ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1
Share your thoughts, are you concerned about this "new version" S810 V2.1 and any overheating issues?
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seems none of the phones with SD810 has a satisfactory performance, let alone z3+'s dreadful nightmare..
I feel this will repeat Sony's terror with the Z3+. They felt they "fixed" the problem as well but fell flat on their face.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that with the little(big?) bits of bad press about CS and build quality they really WILL try to make this phone different because otherwise their company may be dead in the water, especially since the 1+2 will be at a higher pricepoint than their consumer base is used to. Any failure on their part will be cannibalised by everyone.
Lets hope that Oneplus has right about praising the new revision of 810 . But I am not afraid because there will be hopefully a lot of kernel builders who can also work on possible issues
They're underclocking it a tiny bit and it sounds like they're using a magnesium frame with graphite thermal interface.
Too early to worry about SD810 issues until a sample tested.
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Ouch!! I really hoped that the 1+2's solution (magnesium frame functioning like an additional radiator) was nowhere else to be found...
Well... then I am a lil bit worried and will wait for the first reviews before buying one (I've heard we need AGAIN to jump through hoops and will still need to beg for invites ? )
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
feygor said:
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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They wont't. Just like they never fixed yellow bending on 1+1, or touchscreen issues.
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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Probably because you root it and flash custom roms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ItrVTqKO7k&feature=youtu.be
Very informative video about 810
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
cheers
superdragonpt said:
Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
KiraYahiroz said:
Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Hi
Sorry for the late reply.
No. your wrong, it's all on SW level.
Time will (hopefully) confirm it.
Adjusting throttling, and hotplug / arm SoC policies, has nothing to do with Hardware.
In the mean time, one of my co-workers, got one for reviewing purposes .
USB: Is so damm slow, the type C is just for marketing purposes, it's still cap at 2.x
Front camera: Just...bad
Cpu scalling: slow and not very well optimized
And some other issues concerning this device, i know the software can (will ? ) be improved, but for my standards the device is bad.
I quit this one. And will be giving away my invite.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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I can confirm this. I got an M9 yesterday to replace my S6. I know it sounds weird, but I think of it as an upgrade. The S6 was fast on paper but painfully slow at times during normal usage. App launch time was great, but UI lagginess, awful design and general unresponsiveness lead me to opt for the M9, especially after reading great reports about the latest SW updates.
The 810 in the M9 is cooler than the S6, I can guarantee you. Any semi-intense app on the S6 made the CPU jump to absurd temperatures (80+ degrees C) and the device got extremely hot on the metal frame.
The M9 gets evenly warmish, and CPU management is spot on as it never goes full throttle when doing basic tasks like browsing (unlike some other phones).
To sum it up, I wouldn't worry too much about the S810, it seems to run just fine on the M9.
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
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It uses SD 810 v2.1 and it does have fast charging
According to the Oneplus 2 review from XDA, the 810 v 2.1 still overheats/throttles, so this Nexus could still have problems, since this one's not even downclocked. Hopefully it doesn't, and the aluminum body could help with heating issues. I preordered one, so if reviews come out before it's processed and problems still arise from 810, I might have to cancel. Hoping for the best though!
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
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As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
Looks like this will be the first Nexus that I skip.
Unfortunately, looks like I'll probably be skipping as well..The fact that they didn't really cover the processor at all suggest that they probably had issues with it. Or they would have at least said something generic like "And it comes with a fully optimized SD 810V2.1 64 bit processor."
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Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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Who are you?
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What gpu does it sport?
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Xileforce said:
As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
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And according to another article and multiple successive benchmark runs, it doesn't.
That's why I got it - v2.1 took care of the heat.
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
Aridon said:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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The gpu is the same on all snapdragon 810 socs. I would guess most people wouldn't notice any heat issues in normal use. Maybe if you are playing 3d games or benchmarking. It also really depends on the cooling used. The xperia z3+ had issues recording 4k. While the new z5 with the same soc has no problems due to cooling. I would guess Google did some good stuff in terms of cooling. Additionally qcom said nearly all 810s that made it into production devices are the V2.1 including the m9. I'm not sure if that's from the start though. There's also undervolting which can help too. I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like all the newer 810 devices have taken actions to keep it cooler.
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moto x pure is actually snapdragon 808 not 810
The pure uses the 808.
As for heat and performance
https://www.androidpit.com/snapdragon-810-vs-808-is-8-cores-really-better-than-6
The pure gets hot just trying to push chrome and maps can drop battery by 1/3 in an hour. Serious issues and if you under clock the performance issues become even more serious. Great phone for people that don't use it. As for me I'll take the Big P.
I have the OPT and it still gets warm. Much better with ak kernel but on stock, it gets real warm but not burn your hands off hot.
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
AFAIK It uses S810 V3.
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Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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You're right, but the issue then is heat dissipation from the metal body. If you have it in a case, you're trapping the heat more as opposed to leaving the metal back bare and feeling the heat in your hands!
but according to people in articles that have used it. there is no heat, right? so we are safe and good to go? Right folks? ??
Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Aswell as i.Same i didn't notice any issue.
Me too i don't deffend Samsung.But it is cruical that customer don't have any issues.
Put in side fps variation in games or better score in antutu it just isn't necessery for regular customer.He will not notice it.
I played games,record 4k 60fp 8k videos absolutley everyting also played games on charger because i wanted to know it there is any issue with thermal throtling or anything else.
And for camera with every update is better as well as battery life.I'm satisfied with my S20 Ultra Exynosm Brutal camera btw and brutal zoom
This is mine opinion after almost month with my phone.
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Also i updated myself camera app from 10.0.02.7 to 10.0.03.4 and its superfast shuter and auto focus.Overall its much much better.
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Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]
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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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I forgot something.Last year i had S10 plus exynos.Battery was garbage so i traded it for snapdragon version.It was better.But after fev weeks battery on exynos improved as well.And i notice that internet on my snap is slow.(Sim internet)And i tested it my friend he has galaxy s8 exynos and my s10 plus snap.We opened ookla test he got about 80mb/s i got about 25.we are on same carrier.I tryed couple of times again and i didn't got anytime above 30 so.for everyone that eant snap keep in mind this.Lower badwith as well as singal reception because we are in Europe which uses diffrent signal.One are on GSM another on CDMA.
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....
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Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....
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There's a custom recovery now. Soon we'll see custom roms and kernels and both should improve performance/battery life for the exynos. Some, if not all SD will be stuck with Samsung updates forever..
Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?
Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..
Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)
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Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?
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I'm so tired of people falsely claiming exynos is fine in gaming.
You can see a lot of video proofs on YouTube that exynos is trash for gaming and there's no way it can maintain 60fps in pubg mobile for extended playing sessions
If you can't tell the difference between stable 60fps and frequent drop to 40fps it's your problem, don't say it's fine.
At this point I really want someone show me a video proof of exynos running pubg mobile at 60fps for 1 hour. Then I can shut my fxxk up. But until now I see none.
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Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..
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Same. The pro max also reduces brightness by 50%
Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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vash_h said:
Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion
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Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)
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I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.
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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion
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True.. There is better devices for audio but its still not bad..
Just saying it's an all rounder phone.
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kristova86 said:
I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.
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When I was in saudi, yanbu, the phone is hot as heck probably due to the constant search for better network.
Was in mobifly or mobily or something like that.
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