Why can Google Play Store and services install apps on a Kindle Fire? - Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I just recently brought a Fire HD 8 this past Black Friday 2016 and after some searching I found I could install Google Play and it's required services. I was surprised that the Play Store could install new apps even after I turned off "unknown sources" in Settings > Security. Why is this possible without root and without Google Play being installed to the /system partition like it is on all the other devices I have? Is this only limited to the Fire OS? Seems like a security issue if a non-root and a non-system app is able to install new apps.

Maybe Google Inc. is set default to be a trusted source (probably with a trusted certificate?).

hinmatth said:
Maybe Google Inc. is set default to be a trusted source (probably with a trusted certificate?).
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Maybe but I haven't found anything online suggesting this.

Maybe Google planned on this being done from the very start when they let Amazon use a modified Android

all it does is download the apk. the install is done by the android system. same as with f-droid. or if you used the browser to download the apk. try clicking on a .apk file in your file manager

The play store is the only "known source", so disabling unknown sources will still allow the play store to install things.

Tanmaynarang said:
The play store is the only "known source", so disabling unknown sources will still allow the play store to install things.
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So I guess Amazon only bothered to enable their store in the code then, leaving the rest of the Google stuff intact?

ShapeShifter499 said:
So I guess Amazon only bothered to enable their store in the code then, leaving the rest of the Google stuff intact?
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I'd assume they didn't touch the Google stuff, as you put it
They probably just added in their code.

Related

Spotify support seems to not be available.

Spotify works if you have the .apk
dirtybeagles said:
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Looks like I figured out that if you get to an app that is unsupported in the google play store, you can still install it on the Nexus player if you have the APK file.
You have to go into settings first, then security and turn on untrusted applications.
FYI: Do this at your own risk. Installing unsupported apps can install malware on your device that can track your information. Be smart about it.

Fire Tv / Stick - Work around Google Play Store without root

Fire TV /Stick are good with Amazon's ecosystem but with this method you can add any app or game you want from the play store
This method was tested on Fire Tv Stick but it should work with any Fire Tv device.
Video how to, Enjoy
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Links:
Main link:
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1st app: ES File Explorer
2ed app: Winking Remote
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wukongtv.wkremote.client&hl=en
inwisso said:
Fire TV /Stick are good with Amazon's ecosystem but with this method you can add any app or game you want from the play store
This method was tested on Fire Tv Stick but it should work with any Fire Tv device.
Video how to, Enjoy
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Links:
Main link:
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1st app: ES File Explorer
2ed app: Winking Remote
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wukongtv.wkremote.client&hl=en
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Good tutorial but I didn't do any of that to install MOD EDIT - Removed? Thought you found a workaround to get Google Play Store working....MOD EDIT - Removed is a great alternative to the Play Store though.
thanks for the tutorial
You are welcome... It's true that if you don't need apps that ask for google services you can jute use MOD EDIT - Removed app, but that will limit your app selection to almost half of google play store
inwisso said:
You are welcome... It's true that if you don't need apps that ask for google services you can jute use 1Mobile app, but that will limit your app selection to almost half of google play store
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Thats true, a lot of apps at least need the Google Services. So even though you can get them from MOD EDIT - Removed they wouldn't work. Good point.
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inwisso said:
You are welcome... It's true that if you don't need apps that ask for google services you can jute use 1Mobile app, but that will limit your app selection to almost half of google play store
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Yep that's very true. A lot of apps require at least the google services. So even though you can get them from MOD EDIT - Removed...they wouldn't work without installing those google apps. Good point.
Hello inwisso,
Thanks for your Great tutorial and for the workaround to get the Google Play Store working on the Fire Phones !
However I have noticed that if I install the "Google Play Service" from the 3er link:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-8-1-14-2244331-030-android-apk-download/
Although the newest APPs from Google, like:
YouTube v10.37.58
Google-Drive v2.3.283.31.34
Are now working flawlessly, some streaming APPs stopped working, and also sometime the FireTV freezes and also Crashes...
Apparently the version of "Google Play Services" of the 3rd link, is affecting in some way the smooth work and the normal functionality of the FireTV units ... Use with caution !
So, I was forced to use only the 4 Google APPs from the 1st link, and I have decided not to update the "Google Play Service" to a newer version:
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=73036323a69e3cf1&id=73036323A69E3CF1!1484&authkey=!AIVXLFXAOWDeM0Q
Does Anyone here has experienced the same strange behaviors on their FireTV, or has tested any of the following latest versions:
Google Play Store_5.9.12 Released September 15, 2015)
Google Play services_8.1.15 (Released September 15, 2015)
Google Play services 8.1.18 (Released September 26, 2015)
Thanks, if you guys find a better performing "google play services" version I can update the link.
Are you using fire tv or fire tv stick ?
Inwisso, I'll try to test various versions of the "Google Play Services" APP, and let you know what works best ...
However, as the new YouTube and Google-Drive APPs requires the latest version of "Google Play Services ", I doubt that these two are going to work.
Sweeeet XDA community is the best
ulises.rodriguez said:
Inwisso, I'll try to test various versions of the "Google Play Services" APP, and let you know what works best ...
However, as the new YouTube and Google-Drive APPs requires the latest version of "Google Play Services ", I doubt that these two are going to work.
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For YouTube viewing there's always the "YouTube for Android TV" app.
Can't login, but it works well enough, I find v1.0.5.5 works best as the latest v1.1.16 crashes on the Fire TV Stick.
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/youtube-for-android-tv/youtube-1-0-5-5-android-apk-download/
As I said before, it is that apps like YouTube and Google Drive, that have been updated most recently, all need to run the latest version of "Google Play Service," but unfortunately when installed then affects others FireTV APPs, that worked well before.
Hopefully with the NEW upcoming FireOS -5 "Bellini", that will be released in October 5 to all the FireTV Models, and that is based on Android 5.1 Lollipop (API level 22), we could then have more compatibility with all newer APPs.
http://www.aftvnews.com/fire-os-5-with-alexa-coming-to-1st-gen-fire-tv-and-fire-tv-stick-in-october/
https://developer.amazon.com/public...re-tv/docs/device-and-platform-specifications
Who knows, maybe we could also install some new APPs Exclusive for Android-TV and launchers, as the "Android-TV Leanback Launcher":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.leanbacklauncher
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...-launcher-1-1-2-1994870-android-apk-download/
So then we have to wait to October 5, to see what it is and how this FireOS-5 "Bellini" works.
I really hope Amazon has been able to do an excellent job with this new version of the FireOS-5, and that they will come with some new things and fixes !!
ulises.rodriguez said:
Hello inwisso,
Thanks for your Great tutorial and for the workaround to get the Google Play Store working on the Fire Phones !
However I have noticed that if I install the "Google Play Service" from the 3er link:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-8-1-14-2244331-030-android-apk-download/
Although the newest APPs from Google, like:
YouTube v10.37.58
Google-Drive v2.3.283.31.34
Are now working flawlessly, some streaming APPs stopped working, and also sometime the FireTV freezes and also Crashes...
Apparently the version of "Google Play Services" of the 3rd link, is affecting in some way the smooth work and the normal functionality of the FireTV units ... Use with caution !
So, I was forced to use only the 4 Google APPs from the 1st link, and I have decided not to update the "Google Play Service" to a newer version:
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=73036323a69e3cf1&id=73036323A69E3CF1!1484&authkey=!AIVXLFXAOWDeM0Q
Does Anyone here has experienced the same strange behaviors on their FireTV, or has tested any of the following latest versions:
Google Play Store_5.9.12 Released September 15, 2015)
Google Play services_8.1.15 (Released September 15, 2015)
Google Play services 8.1.18 (Released September 26, 2015)
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Thank you for the tutorial. I tried it but I can never get Google Play to connect.
This is my second stick. I returned my previous stick and got the Google Nexus.
I won this one and thought I would give it it a try. Maybe there was a patch between the posting and Dec 2nd.
I also had the stick lock up and had to unplug it and let it reboot.
Can someone who has Google Play store working on Fire TV/Stick confirm if Vudu app works or not?
Thanks!
Would this work on fire tv 2?
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VARIANTS
IamSonoma said:
Thank you for the tutorial. I tried it but I can never get Google Play to connect.
This is my second stick. I returned my previous stick and got the Google Nexus.
I won this one and thought I would give it it a try. Maybe there was a patch between the posting and Dec 2nd.
I also had the stick lock up and had to unplug it and let it reboot.
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Yes I have similar issues. I have Fire TV BOX and I just side load connecting the box to my PC over Ethernet. No problems there I can get the files over.
The problem is that some programs work fine with Google Chrome to browse the web which is really cool...
but.....
On a lot of apps like "Vice" / Viceland TV, it boots up then says something like "your version of Google Play Services is not compatible please uninstall it" So anyway I can get the latest Google Play Services .apk but look there are 28 VARIANTS! http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/google-play-services/google-play-services-9-8-77-release/
How do I know which variant I have on my FireTV BOX of Android that the Amazon front end is running on?
Is there just a simple Google Play Store and Google Play Services I can download once and it will auto-update?
Thanks
I have tried with no success installing Google Play services and Google Play store on my FireTV BOX.
FireTV BOX version Fire OS 5.2.1.1 and I have no problem getting the apk's to my device by side-loading over Ethernet using adbLink and adbLink works find for all other app, so it must be either I need to be rooted or I have the wrong Google Play Store and Google Play Service .apk's
Can anyone help me one this with my FireTV BOX version to get Google Play Services and Google Play store on my device so I can run apps which require Google Play Services?
Thanks
I wonder have any of you ever thought to disable the "Not In My Home" (com.amazon.tv.nimh.apk) service? I gather it's a fairly new (Firmware 5.2.1.1), thing. In case you haven't worked out what this does it basically blocks (from Amazon's POV), unwanted Apps.
Now I'll confess to not having bothered to do my Homework in this, myself. There seems to be little hope that this is the one thing keeping Google Play Services, and by proxy the PlayStore off the Fire TV2, but I haven't seen anything that dismisses it either.
But, the idea that One could in theory, at least side load the Leanback Frameworks onto such a Device, has at least given me some hope that I might be able to get it working on some Chinese Box. One of these days.
I suppose, a better question to ask here, considering I still a noob to this AFTV2 Box; Would be did either of Google's Services / PlayStore, even ever work on the AFTV2?
someone has managed to fix it? i had an apk called mega tv player runing perfect until yesterday that my fire stick was factory reseted by mistake, now i can't load the app or any other apk that ask for google play services.
MOD EDIT - Removed has older apks of apps if you need them (currently a reliable site, but don't blame me once they start distributing rootkits.. ) - also, there are at least two methods out there to patch play service dependencies "out of" apps I know of.
Google and find out.
This thread is rife with warez haunts, and it's not even Halloween!
Thread closed until OP releases a new video/or prepares instructions that does not have warez as an option.
Thank you.

Google Play Apps: Amazon Fire Table HD 8 missing.

Using an Amazon Fire HD 8 tablet. I've installed the Google Play Store and it works fine.
When I log on to the app store from my PC and select an app to install, I see my android TV, my cell, but the Amazon tablet isn't listed.
Is there a way for Google to know the tablet exists outside of the tablet?
CuF said:
Using an Amazon Fire HD 8 tablet. I've installed the Google Play Store and it works fine.
When I log on to the app store from my PC and select an app to install, I see my android TV, my cell, but the Amazon tablet isn't listed.
Is there a way for Google to know the tablet exists outside of the tablet?
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Have you installed anything on the HD8 using the play store? My HD10 shows up in my list.
Yes. I've installed several things from within the tablet. Apps update fine as well.
When I log on from my PC though, the Amazon tablet just isn't listed as one of my devices.
CuF said:
Yes. I've installed several things from within the tablet. Apps update fine as well.
When I log on from my PC though, the Amazon tablet just isn't listed as one of my devices.
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I asked google and found this:
"I had a similar issue (new device can install from Google Play, but from the website it wasn't being shown as a device under my Settings).
What I had to do was to go into Settings/Apps/Google Play on the device and then clear the data. Once that is done, when you next launch Play, it will ask you to accept the terms and conditions. Then I just downloaded an app (any app will do) on the device. This seems to alert the web settings that there's another device.
I then checked my settings on the Play website and the device was now listed (no delay, it was there straight away). Note that I never logged out of the Browser, or cleared any browser caches etc. Effectively the step are:
1. Clear the Google Play app cache on the Android device.
2. Start Play and accept T&Cs
3. Download any app from inside the Play app.
Hopefully this will work for others too."
I cleared the data & cache from: Google Account Manager, Google Play Services, Google Play Store & Google Services Framework.
No change. It doesn't even ask me to accept terms and conditions, it just logs me back on. It must be storing my data elsewhere(?)
Edit: It took a long time, but eventually it finally started appearing. I have no idea what that was about.

JOIN doesn't work - FireHD blocking Google's Cloud Messaging ports?

Anyway to fix this? I fear more apps might not be working. Thanks!
s3nr1 said:
Anyway to fix this? I fear more apps might not be working. Thanks!
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Want to fix Google Cloud Messaging ports(GCM):
-> Removing any all Amazon's bloatware.
-> Using Xposed or Magisk modules to fix GCM ports.
-> Install a custom ROM to your Fire tablet like LineageOS.
-> Install a full Google API services APKs (Google API services' version is same as Android version).
AmznUser444 Dev said:
Want to fix Google Cloud Messaging ports(GCM):
-> Removing any all Amazon's bloatware.
-> Using Xposed or Magisk modules to fix GCM ports.
-> Install a custom ROM to your Fire tablet like LineageOS.
-> Install a full Google API services APKs (Google API services' version is same as Android version).
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These look like individual options if so I would gravitate more towards this one:
-> Install a full Google API services APKs (Google API services' version is same as Android version)
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I used the fire tools in XDA to remove most Amazons bloatware, except for Amazon shop and the app store to update Play store uninstallable apps like Netflix, Disney+, etc..
I installed the Play Store and Google Assistant, etc.. using the same tool. Where can I find the full google API services? Thanks!
s3nr1 said:
These look like individual options if so I would gravitate more towards this one:
I used the fire tools in XDA to remove most Amazons bloatware, except for Amazon shop and the app store to update Play store uninstallable apps like Netflix, Disney+, etc..
I installed the Play Store and Google Assistant, etc.. using the same tool. Where can I find the full google API services? Thanks!
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Did you find out how to fix this?
Burickg said:
Did you find out how to fix this?
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Will using Magisk module to fix this.
s3nr1 said:
Anyway to fix this? I fear more apps might not be working. Thanks!
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Can you see the apps with Google Cloud Messaging API. Check the GCM's permissions.
s3nr1 said:
These look like individual options if so I would gravitate more towards this one:
I used the fire tools in XDA to remove most Amazons bloatware, except for Amazon shop and the app store to update Play store uninstallable apps like Netflix, Disney+, etc..
I installed the Play Store and Google Assistant, etc.. using the same tool. Where can I find the full google API services? Thanks!
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Can you see the apps with Google Cloud Messaging API. Check the GCM's permissions.
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How would you grant permission

notification-google play service wont run until its updated-help?

soo..I just got an unusual notification on my 2019 fire hd10...that the play services wont run until updated? I didn't catch the entire message.
I went into the play store and the notification disappeared.
help?
I had the same thing. I cleared the notification and so far it hasn't appeared again. Everything still works.
Others have reported it, and the popular theory is that it's a harmless bug in the latest version of Google Play Services.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kindlefire/comments/phz7hp
-amused snort- technology, aint it wonderful?
Playstore is not a trusted app
Always make installable copies of all your apps and current updates. The less Playstore the better... it never runs on my 10+ unless I need it.
I trust no one...but my cat. with my cat? I know EXACTLY where I stand at all times with her.
XRaiderV18 said:
I trust no one...but my cat. with my cat? I know EXACTLY where I stand at all times with her.
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I have a male cat that was abandoned right after it was weaned.
Cats are cool.
blackhawk said:
I have a male cat that was abandoned right after it was weaned.
Cats are cool.
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word.
....currently getting groomed by my cat, apparently I need it?
anywho..got the notification AGAIN today, and this time I was actually able to initiate an update.
fortuitous given my tablet just updated the OS today.
I'm seeing this as well on my Fire HD 8 (2020), and it's very concerning.
I've also uninstalled Google Play Services and reinstalled the latest version of Google Play Services from APKStore (you cannot do an in-place upgrade, there's only a "deactivate" button which doesn't work).
The error goes away temporarily, but eventually returns a week or so later.
And we're not alone -- hundreds of complaints on this issue in the Reviews section of Google Play Services on the Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.gms&hl=en_US&gl=US
Is this just a temporary bug? Or is it an indication that the little "secret" of sideloading Google Play Store is over, at least if you want to use your Fire to play games requiring Google Play? Wonder if Google and Amazon are finally saying "no more?" I hope not.
...I think the fact most of us are running the play store in manual update only mode is the problem. it cant auto update the play services, and thus coughs up this error?
XRaiderV18 said:
...I think the fact most of us are running the play store in manual update only mode is the problem. it cant auto update the play services, and thus coughs up this error?
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Playstore will let you know when you go to Playstore if it needs updating. I've package block and run Playwhore on manual update only for over 1.5 years with no problem.
All it's parent apps need to be running at boot up ie Google play Services. You may need to delete and recreate your Google account if it really goes off the rails. Reboot, reboot, reboot...
XRaiderV18 said:
...I think the fact most of us are running the play store in manual update only mode is the problem. it cant auto update the play services, and thus coughs up this error?
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Thank you. I thought the same thing, so I reset Fire and set Store to auto update everything (except Kindle and Alexa).
Still getting error.
My App Details for Google Play Services shows:
App installed from Google Play Store
version 21.33.13 (100300-393339024)
blackhawk said:
Playstore will let you know when you go to Playstore if it needs updating. I've package block and run Playwhore on manual update only for over 1.5 years with no problem.
All it's parent apps need to be running at boot up ie Google play Services. You may need to delete and recreate your Google account if it really goes off the rails. Reboot, reboot, reboot...
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it was a thought, that said after I was FINALLY presented the option to update the service its not done it again.
also..I've owned FOUR samsung tablets over the years and every single last one of them, without fail, whenever playstore has had an update, I've had to manually initiate the update, it patently REFUSES to do so on its own, and thats AFTER running every troubleshooting known to man AND consulting samsung support.
its an android thing apparently ^^;
stocktiki said:
Thank you. I thought the same thing, so I reset Fire and set Store to auto update everything (except Kindle and Alexa).
Still getting error.
My App Details for Google Play Services shows:
App installed from Google Play Store
version 21.33.13 (100300-393339024)
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did you manually install everything? or use the fire toolbox thingy app?
I ran this guide for my tablet. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/21/install-play-store-amazon-fire-tablet/
I have Google Play Services 21.30.16, so it seems mine hasn't updated since I installed it a few months ago.
How are you getting it to update?
XRaiderV18 said:
it was a thought, that said after I was FINALLY presented the option to update the service its not done it again.
also..I've owned FOUR samsung tablets over the years and every single last one of them, without fail, whenever playstore has had an update, I've had to manually initiate the update, it patently REFUSES to do so on its own, and thats AFTER running every troubleshooting known to man AND consulting samsung support.
its an android thing apparently ^^;
did you manually install everything? or use the fire toolbox thingy app?
I ran this guide for my tablet. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/21/install-play-store-amazon-fire-tablet/
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I rarely use Playstore. Updates there are set to wifi only, and wifi is always disabled.
Samsung tech support is useless.
Try googling the error codes.
I use ApkExport to make installable copies of my apps so on a reload no Playstore needed.
You can also use those copies to load other devices... if you want.
I was able to go into the play store and tap on 'update' on the play services.
-shrugs- it worked, thats all I cared about.
Play Store is telling me 21.30.16 is the latest version of Google Play Services and I'm up to date. APK Mirror is showing newer versions, though. Weird.
unknownsoldierx said:
Play Store is telling me 21.30.16 is the latest version of Google Play Services and I'm up to date. APK Mirror is showing newer versions, though. Weird.
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Sideloading system apks is cruising for a bruising
XRaiderV18 said:
it was a thought, that said after I was FINALLY presented the option to update the service its not done it again.
also..I've owned FOUR samsung tablets over the years and every single last one of them, without fail, whenever playstore has had an update, I've had to manually initiate the update, it patently REFUSES to do so on its own, and thats AFTER running every troubleshooting known to man AND consulting samsung support.
its an android thing apparently ^^;
did you manually install everything? or use the fire toolbox thingy app?
I ran this guide for my tablet. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/21/install-play-store-amazon-fire-tablet/
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Thank you! It's Google Play Services, not Google Play Store, that needs updating, right?
I manually installed all four APKs - using the Android Police instructions, too.
stocktiki said:
Thank you! It's Google Play Services, not Google Play Store, that needs updating, right?
I manually installed all four APKs - using the Android Police instructions, too.
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Maybe but I'm still using the factory load version of Google play Services on my 10+, no issues.
stocktiki said:
Thank you! It's Google Play Services, not Google Play Store, that needs updating, right?
I manually installed all four APKs - using the Android Police instructions, too.
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