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should i buy this phone????
is it worth buying????
Only you can decide that. Watch the video reviews on YouTube and read the reviews all over the web.
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IMHO:
Very good value because of a) price, b) build quality, c) support, both from the manufacturer and ROM teams.
If you're only going for the raw power of the devices, there are cheaper alternatives having the same/very similar specs, but they lack in built quality and support. Or if you need more software feautes, you've got to pay more for HTC/Samsung.
I voted for the "underdog" since I don't like the big companies throwing out device after device and not giving proper support and I only payed ~80€ more than for a Nexus 4, getting double the RAM and a better display - besides, I'd be interested in a Google Edition from HTC/Samsung, but they won't arrive here any time soon.
Besides, I don't know a single task, except maybe hardcore gaming(which I wouldn't want to do on a phone), that doesn't work just fine with any recent phone, so imho it's all about personal preferences.
S.D.Richards said:
IMHO:
Very good value because of a) price, b) build quality, c) support, both from the manufacturer and ROM teams.
If you're only going for the raw power of the devices, there are cheaper alternatives having the same/very similar specs, but they lack in built quality and support. Or if you need more software feautes, you've got to pay more for HTC/Samsung.
I voted for the "underdog" since I don't like the big companies throwing out device after device and not giving proper support and I only payed ~80€ more than for a Nexus 4, getting double the RAM and a better display - besides, I'd be interested in a Google Edition from HTC/Samsung, but they won't arrive here any time soon.
Besides, I don't know a single task, except maybe hardcore gaming(which I wouldn't want to do on a phone), that doesn't work just fine with any recent phone, so imho it's all about personal preferences.
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is this good to go for nexus 4 rather than this phone???????
burninghouse said:
is this good to go for nexus 4 rather than this phone???????
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Up to you.. Do you plan on flashing and modding your phone with custom kernels, ROMs, and recoveries? The N4 has a lot more development but the Find 5 has an incredible outlook on 3rd party development. So far I've seen 2 ads for the Find 5 from OPPO showing off custom ROMs running on them such as Official CyanogenMod 10.1 support and PAC ROM.. (I think the other was PAC ROM) so that right there is something to take into consideration should you need to return your device for any reason. No more flash counters or flashing back to stock..even though that's as easy as flashing their official firmware via .zip file that they release. Can even be flashed with CWM or TWRP. I won't try to butter up the software, because well... It needs work. But, with CM support and constant updates from the OEM, this is a phone to consider. Hardware wise... Fantastic, tough to beat, and the camera is a beaut!
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Okay, I'm trying to get in the Sailfish game here. I bought a broken Xperia Z and brought it back to life just to find out the bootloader is unlockable. I'm SO angry because Virgin Mobile is refusing to unlock it because I'm not a customer (nothing wrong with the IMEI, I checked). Anyway, this has just doubled down my sheer determination to get out from under the carriers foot.
So I want to play too. I already gave my info to sledges and said I could help with documentation (I was told to hold tight). BUT since that Xperia is dead to me I wanted to know if I should go pick up a Nexus 4 and help with that adoption (install and test), or should I go get something else like a Moto G or a Nexus 5 and start playing. Where would I be the most help to the community?
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Dinsdale247
Sounds like Nexus 4 and the Samsung S3 LTE are getting all the love, I was planning to get the Jolla phone, but after I found out the Nexus 5 was about the same price, with much better specs, and the fact that it is one of the most open phones you can get, I was looking at putting sailfish on it when it becomes available. I was actually surprised that work started on the Nexus 4 and not together with the Nexus 5, I guess no one whose porting has one.
It depends on what you're looking for in a phone, or if you just any phone that you can get the Sailfish OS on.
I would help with porting Sailfish to Nexus 5, but I have exams coming up, and no experience with porting.
There is a reason Nexus 4 is getting the attention.
It all comes back to the Hybris project. Many developers are using it as THE means to get ports jump started to Android hardware. Not only Sailfish, but Ubuntu Touch and Open Source webOS are contributing. Consensus seems to have been reached by the various developer communities that Nexus 4 and factory 4.2.2 offer the best hosting for modern hardware porting efforts with up-to-date spec and software stability on which to build.
IMHO, Nexus 4 is the clear choice for users in the field who want options. It's a stellar piece of hardware; yes there are more dynamically spec'd devices coming everyday, but mostly that capability is not being used for anything short of intense 3D gaming. If you want a solid phone that will have the spec to test unoptomized software Alphas and Betas this is a great unit and it has the radio hardware for near universal GSM access. The latest Android builds remain available, you can port Ubuntu Touch, you can (now) port Sailfish OS, you can add multi-rom capability and boot into Firefox OS... PLUS... a rumor has recently reached my ears that soon you will be able to port Open webOS to the N4...
What other phone is going to give you that many options? I say, Nexus 4, FTW baby!!! :highfive:
Please help me in this. i need root apps and unlocking . coz i have no money etc ..... i need to root my device and want to install cm 12 on my device ....
Um... So do I. Do the research yourself, and spend time. This is so spam-like, and the research is ridiculous.
Yup.... Why motorola is treating customer like this. We paid u n that's it. I think they should provide unlock code for Droid mini as they do for others.
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Well, a few things. First off, if you are on android 4.4.4, there is no unlock for your bootloader. Next, there is a "free" rooting method, but based on what you have said thus far, I am going to go ahead and recommend against it. Motorola absolutely *SHOULD* provide bootloader unlock codes for any user not on contract, that wants one. The reason they do not is their agreement with Verizon Wireless stating specifically that they will not give unlock codes for Verizon devices that are not Developer Editions. Motorola phones that are supported are hard to come by, especially if you are a Verizon customer.
Personally, if your Mini is in good shape, (no scratches, dings, etc) i would sell it and hunt out another Mini or a Maxx on 4.4 on Ebay. (i have now done this successfully with a Mini and a Maxx) then you can (yeah, i know you don't like this part) pay $25 to get Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. Maybe that sounds like a lot of $$ for what it is. What i can say is a Dev edition of the Maxx (i know, i had a real one) is about $680 new. The retail version of the same phone was $550 or so. Even buying the phone from Motorola, you still paid more for Bootloader Unlock. I am old enough in the Android community to remember guys like Dan Rosenburg that never asked for $$, (or if you were insistant on paying, he asked you make a donation to charity), and also rooted every other device I have owned before the Mini for free. That used to be how it worked. Now, the only people interested are professionals who are literally spending time and money to find and utilize exploits. If you are really new, you should read up on security vulnerabilities, the qfuse system, and read up on the Azimuth Security blog and see what exactly was involved in the last run of bootloader unlocks. it isn't just someone playing code monkey and making a script. it is bricking (sometimes beyond all repair) $300-600 devices in an effort to make an unlock that might yield the money invested back.
As you said, and I live at the moment, you do not have money. This, my friend, sucks. I can say that in order to invest in my android devices, i have sold other things i cared about less (rare vinyls, extra devices, etc.) The reality is, $25 is not very hard to come up with if you are determined. Principally, at first glance, i disagreed with the premise of paying for what i feel should be an inherent feature of any android device, but when Motorola themselves say nothing will change the policy, I would much rather pay the money and know i am unlocked. google #unlockthedroids and you will see my names (kitcostantino, medicbeard, etc) a time or two...believe me i have tried. Motorola sells a crapload of devices to Verizon. Unfortunately, that means that Verizon (and also ATT) have too much clout and control over the Moto devices they sell for use on their networks.
The reality is, in the forseeable future, there will be less and less opportunity to unlock a retail device that is not a developer or pure edition. Security software checks and hardware gets better and better. the Devs that get through have a harder and harder time, and the knowledge is becoming more and more specific. I actually messaged DjrBliss on Hangouts to ask if he had any plans to work on the Turbo bl and he told me it was a stressful part of his life he was glad to be past. Honestly, he was so completely nice and cool about a total stranger contacting him, it blew me away. One of the most amazing exploit creators with ZERO pretentiousness, totally chill, and glad to talk to a fan (i have used his exploits on many of my phones). With dudes that capable not wanting to invest their time and efforts, we are left with mostly security experts to find our unlocks.(who can potentially make a crapload of money with their time and skillsets). Is $25 a lot compared to what these guys could be making? nope. but in all honesty, as I am inclined to do myself, I suggest you read up on anything Motorola related with regard to Qfuse, security checks, etc. The new age of exploits is upon us. The end user is going to have to be far more intelligent and far more comfortable doing things themselves to have control over their devices. In a way, it is a good thing because users that cannot do anything without a one-click or an app will be weeded out. In another way, it is horrible for android development, because those that do not have time, nor money to invest will get lost in the shuffle if they cannot buy a dev or unlockable device. I wish you the best man.
Can you guys learn to help instead of standing here complaining? For example, learn to deal with the All-PKG QHSUSB-DLOAD, download crap, be fearless and flash onto your device....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=KyDnN3_hAmA
do u have root for 4.4.4?
do u have root for 4.4.4?
kaifkhan15 said:
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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Yes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60085162
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kaifkhan15 said:
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
lwang9 said:
I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
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You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
damiloveu said:
You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
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Im pretty sure he has an unlocked bootloader and then used kingoroot to Root.
method for 6-7.7
Hello, is it possible to get root for Droid mini with SU 6-7.7 somehow?
not as far as i know. not wp off full root at the very least. i have two droid maxx stuck on that same firmware with some success with temp root with kingroot, but reboot kills it. the newest firmware doesn't even do that.
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Nothing is updating.
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I know its too early but what do you guys this about rooting/custom roms for venice?
BB ceo said (something along the lines) that they will only make an android device if it is secured enough. WOuld that mean a locked bootloader etc? Moreover, it is using a much more secure kernel (http://berryflow.com/2015/09/blackberrys-android-slider-using-hardened-linux-kernel/) and i've read that some beginner's tools (eg enabling developer's options, sideloading apps etc) are blocked.
So what do you guys think? As for me, I believe in this community and i know one way or another, we will be able to install our favourite custom roms/apps on venice. Although I dont know if it would happen 2 days after launch of 2 years after the device reaches the market!
Btw cant wait for the device! I hope blackberry becomes a force again after this phone. I'll buy it the day it's bootloader gets unlocked + root is acheived
Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
I can't see things like developer options/USB debugging etc being outright blocked. That just seems like a great way to alienate the majority of the userbase that a device like this is targeted towards.
This is my main concern... I want this phone, badly. But after having a G4, having to wait for root and still not having any decent roms I won't get the Priv if it doesn't at least get root. It's stock-ish android so I can deal with lack of roms but no root, no sale.
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No idea why anyone here thinks they would do that. Even on BB10 devices installing apks is allowed - and they sure wouldn´t do otherwise on an Android device - that would be crazy.
and yes, bl will be locked and encrypted - root - well that will be something to wait for.
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
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sorry I cant give you a source. I read this on reditt or a blog post
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
Zer0.exe said:
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
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Link?
HyperM3 said:
Link?
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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Thanks for that! I am really looking forward to this device. Im all or nothing on this with my Nexus 6 right now.
rollerdyke44 said:
hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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there must be some poor phone that didn't get a bootloader unlock, and I firmly believe the Priv is gonna join their ranks as soon as it gets released.
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rollerdyke44 said:
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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Look at the recent crop of AT&T and Verizon Samsung phones. Their bootloader are locked up tighter then...... Well we will just say their locked down [emoji1]
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http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...aked-hands-on-photos-plus-official-images.jpg In fact, this image outright confirms that you can sideload/ use developer options.
I wouldn't count on too much. The developer options could have easily been changed and some removed. As BB main selling point is security I expect this device to be one of the harder ones to crack.
As for the bootloader questions. Yes there have been a few that were uncrackable, a dirty hack to by pass has worked on some.
I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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The efuze us still used in many devices and if I know blackberry they will have it check against its servers for security. Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers. Remember everything is routed through Blackberrys servers in Canada so if their servers go do so does the device.
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Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers.
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I would be completely fine with them locking out the BB services when root is discovered. But locking down the hardware would be overstepping their bounds. It's our hardware, not theirs. I know that doesn't mean they couldn't still do it, I just think it would be a jerk move.
It would be like if Microsoft bricked xbox machines that have been modded. They don't, they just ban you from XBox Live if they detect it. I think it should be the same approach.
Yes but even MS has locked the bootloader on Many of their 32 bit machines now. Also I have a link that you might want to read where is passed then modding our devices at all will become illegal.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
I just got couple Fire HD 8 6th Gen tablets for my kids, and thought I'd flash them right away with a custom ROM. I was quite disappointed with the absence of development for this tablet.
Anyway, as far as I understood from reading the forum (and I just started, sorry if I missed something), the first problem is the factory locked bootloader. And it sounded from a post I read like it's something that cannot be solved: http://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/help/rooted-boot-img-t3508316 (bootloader locked discussion starts at the bottom of the 1st page).
Well, I am definitely not a pro in mobile development (I work on server side software for living), so I beg your pardon if I'm wrong. But unlocking a locked bootloader is not something unheard of.
So, I was wondering, if it could be done for other device, then probably it can be done for this one too. And the fact that it has not been done yet could mean for example, that this device is somehow different. Or, it could mean that there was no one yet with enough expertise AND the device at hand to do it.
So if the latter is true, and it's just lack of attention from good developers. Then I guess it could be arranged to donate a device to a reputable XDA dev. A dev that would be interested in having a challenge. And a free device.
I would definitely pitch in, and if you would too, please tell. And if you know an XDA dev who has expertise to do it, please tell too, and give an example of their work.
All the above is open for discussion of course, constructive suggestions would be much appreciated.
The 7" is locked but got a lot of love and is now rootable. If the guys at Kingroot that interest, we might see something but otherwise not. Until rooted, not much point porting a ROM.
So I suppose the proposition is to send a device to KingRoot guys?
...in China.....
I was wondering how the issue of locked encrypted bootloader was solved for other Fire devices. Here's how it's been done for Fire HDX 8.9: http://forum.xda-developers.com/kin...bootloader-unlock-procedure-software-t3030281 . I suppose the bug used in this method has been fixed already, this is just a demonstration that it can be done.
That was cracked using a crypto bug. Basically exploiting a weakness in the RSA encryption of the bootloader's signature. It's incredibly rare for encryption to get totally broken like this, and easily patched with system updates. Kinda got lucky on that one. Best thing to hope for first is root, then try to find a way around the bootloader's protection. These keep getting exponentially harder, and there's a lot more money on developing protections than breaking them.
I received one as a gift. I will probably never use it unless its opened up.... i mean im appreciative that someone gifted me it. But I become really upset by the fact that samsung and amazon... all the big players really lock up their bootloader and force me onto some ecosystem when i know the tablet or device could work just so much better. Anyways, if there is anything i can contribute let me know...
Download the Kingroot App then run it. After running it once or twice it will ask you to send a device request. Root may eventually be achieved for the 6th Gen but that may be as far as it gets. Very unlikely that the bootloader will be unlocked. Amazon actively puts a lot of effort into keeping them locked. Its been a while since any newer version of these Fire bootloaders have been unlocked. The HD 8 5th Gen is about 2 years old and the only thing thats been achieved was root and that was done by Kingroot..... But hey nothings impossible....