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Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
Hiya,
I' hoping this is the right section to post this in.
I don't have my Z3C yet, but I've been searching for information on charging speed, charging current etc. - and there is barely anything to be found. What seems to be consent: A full charge (0-100%) takes about three hours. But then, some people say an almost full charge (0-90%) takes much less, as charging current is greatly reduced for the last 10% to reduce stress on the battery. Sony itself also claims that a small charge (something like 0-10%) should be quite fast as well.
Then there's some speculation about QuickCharge 2.0 being used or not used, that you could use a Motorola 2.0A charger to charge it faster than with the provided 1.5A Sony charger etc., which also brings up the question which resistor values on the D+ and D- wires are necessary to toggle different charging currents. (Or I might be stupid and there's a standard for that by now, which is the same for all Qualcomm devices.)
To cut it short: I'd request those who have a Z3C to post some comments about their charging times, and at best even their charging currents. I used an app called BatteryMonitor on my Desire HD, I'm sure there's others around now that give the same information. If someone could try out different chargers and record charging current over time, maybe even with a pretty graph, it'd surely help all future discussions about chargers, docks, modifications, DIY charging issues etc.
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So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
dragonfet said:
Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
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A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
jonmorris said:
A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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I have read excellent reviews for the Blackberry Premium Charger (the one with the yellow tip), super cheap on Amazon right now. Recommended by Android Central and others for its 2A charging capability. I have used it in the past from my HTC One X days and have re ordered for my Z3. Honestly, my Z3 is charging more than fast enough with the OEM supplied charger, which may be less powerful but more optimised than another OEM's charger. The one I'd trust most if I was forced to use one would be the above model of the BB charger.
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I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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more power can either be achieved through more voltage (that could potentially be harmful if the hardware is not compatible) or more current. More current is 100% save as the charging circuit just takes what it needs, independent of the (more potent) capabilities of the charger.
As Oppo showed with its find 7 just raising the current is a viable option which works. This is also a Snapdragon 801 device.
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
jonmorris said:
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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Would it be possible that the PSU simply always limits the power output? For example, the phone might try to draw 1.5A, but the PSU doesn't support it and limits at 1.0A. Then magnetic charging could work with 1.5A or even 2.0A without the need for communication over the D+ / D- pins. (And attaching the magnetic port with a USB adapter to a PC or Laptop might cause the USB Port to shut down and trigger an overcurrent warning.)
AKK03 said:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
AKK03 said:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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If there are restrictions they are most likely within the Kernel and we may be able to change them in the future with custom Kernels
dragonfet said:
That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
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There is some fluctuation, but is roughly around 1A.
I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max
maxx228 said:
I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max
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Thanks for the results. I have my Z3 by now and recorded some as well.
From 0 to 68%, it charges with 1000-1100 mA, then it goes into CV (constant voltage) mode and stays there until 95%. Then the curent drops slightly. The rest of the charging curve is not usable, as it was the first full charge my handset had. And the last for now, as I have to send it back due to a gap in the frame and microphone issues.
I'll post a complete curve when I have the new one and did a few cycles. What's clear for now:
1. Charging current with the stock charger is around 1.1 A max.
2. The phone charges up to 95% with 0.5% per minute. (Stock Charger)
3. It drops to 0.125% between 95% und 100%, likely to put less strain on the battery.
It's nice to see that there's appearantly support for higher charging currents. Though we should keep in mind that a higher current also means more stress for the battery, especailly when the phone is used while charging (higher battery temperature as the CPU also adds heat).
my Z3 came with the charging dock dk48.. it is rated at 1.8a, charging is fast
I can't speak to the Z3 (yet), but my Z1s charges nearly twice as fast on the magnetic charging dock as it does through the USB connection. As a result, I can leave my screen on at full brightness while on the dock and still charge. I would *expect* similar behaviour from the Z3.
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
AKK03 said:
The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
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With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Shudder123 said:
where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
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Included in my Z3 retail box
Zanr Zij said:
With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Included in my Z3 retail box
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you mean the USB cable?
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you mean the USB cable?
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My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic
Zanr Zij said:
My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic
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where did you get yours from? mine only came with a USB cable
I have a z3 dual .. I did not notice the second cable in the box. I have to check again
Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
Driosenth said:
Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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I can tell you this. I have a QuickCharge 3.0 charger at home (USB charging hub) that will not engage TurboCharging on either my Moto Z or my Z Force. However my Nexus 6p charger engages TurboCharging on both phones. Odd... I am going to try a different USB-c cable tonight to see if it does anything on that 3.0 charging hub.
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Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPowerâ?¢ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPowerâ?¢ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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Looks like the Moto Z force does not follow QC 3.0 standards. The reason the Nexus 6p charger is working is because it outputs 5V and a 3A current which is Turbo charging as far as Moto is concerned. I think our phones follow the USB PD standard. Reason being is the turbo 30 charger outputs 5V at 5.7amps. that's a lot of current but the voltage stays at 5v. Usb pd can get up to 20v at 5amps for a max off 100w. Quick charging is different in that it ramps up the voltage to 9v or 12 v depending but usually keeps current at 2a and below. USB PD tends to keep voltage low but ramp up the current draw. Quick charge will usually not see more than 3a on most chargers. If it does see 3a our phone will more than likely register as turbo charging. If not we get the standard 5v 2a charging. Bottom line is QC maxes out at 18w I believe. Our phones charge at 28w if you multiply 5v by 5.7a u get 28.5watts. This currently beats QC 3.0 devices which are all mostly 15w chargers hence why the Moto Z has the fastest charging out now. To increase power you either have to up the voltage or the current in amps. Different standards but achieve a similar goal.
I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
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I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
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Agreed...I even went out and bought a QC 3.0 car charger just for this phone lol
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I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
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I'm very interested to hear your results
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I also tested a Anker QC 3.0 wall charger and in half hour it only charged about 20%. Not quick or turbo speeds...
Very bummed. I just bought a QC 3.0 battery, car charger, and wall charger and threw away the boxes. I guess I can give them to my wife who has a LG G5...
I hope that eventually there are batteries and car charges that will charge this phone quickly. QC 2.0 was a feature that I very much liked on my last Phone (Droid Turbo). Being able to charge at those speeds was very nice on the road or with a battery.
The only other things is I believe our phones are equipped with usb 3.1 standard. I believe this standard allows for up to 20v of power at a max of around 5a. But any charger that does 5v at at least 3a will pit our phone into turbo charging. I have a Verizon branded fast charger that does 5v/3a and it recognizes it as turbo charging and actually does very good. Not as fast as the stock charger but damn close. Motorola stated they follow the USB C standard for charging which is 5v 3a. So i still say it's a form of usb PD that Motorola is basing there technology off of because the amps our stock charger is putting out is 5.7 amps. The usb c standard stops at 3a without usb 3.1 which we have on our phones and usb pd to up the amps. I would love to see you report back with the findings on the new charger!!!
We'll all know soon. I will even tell you the amps it puts out vs the stock charger. I have a way to monitor.
To save y'all time. Look for chargers that output 5v at 3a. These will turbo charge your phone. Just like the Nexus 6p and Nexus 5x our phones do not follow Qualcomm quick charge standards. So those accessories will do nothing for you because QC doesn't put out past 2a. QC does 9v at 1.67a. multiply that and you get 15watts. Same thing as a charger with 5v and 3a. Multiply that and you also get 15w. Different ways of doing it but same end result. Verizon has a wall charger and a car charger that outputs at 5v 3a. It is also Qualcomm quick charge ready for other phones you may have. It also states on the side of the box that it is USB power delivery 2.0 compatible which I think is why it fast charges our phones. You're welcome
The charger I ordered states: "USB C Output: DC 5V/3A". This leads me to believe it will put the phone into "Turbo" charging mode, but it won't actually charge as fast as the stock charger which is 5.7a. Oh well, it's better than nothing I guess. I can still use the stock charger when needed.
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I literally cannot find any aftermarket charger that will put out more than 3.0 amps. I think thats as high as we can get right now and the Force charger is the only thing out there putting out above that.
Yea I don't think any aftermarket charger right now supports anything above 3a. Our stock charger has a thicker cable as well. Since QC chargers up the voltage and keep a low amp rating they can keep the cable smaller. Voltage doesn't necessarily need a thicker cable but current or the flow of amps does. For more than 3 amps the cable needs to be thicker for more current flowing. Our phones can handle 30 watts of power easily our stock charger outputs 28.5 watts. 15 watts is considered quick charging that's why our phone recognizes it as turbo charging. One plus has a charger that does 5v at 4a that's the closest I know of 20 watts. I would just like the stock charger to have a longer possibly removable cable. Our phones with 5v 3a are really charging the same as the other QC 2.0 and 3.0 devices it's all 15 watts
Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere&hl=en
Should be easier and give the same results. What I use.
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I've come to the conclusion that the USB hub I ordered is as good as it gets. It has 6 ports. 4 ports that vary the amps up to 2.4a, 1 QC 2.0 port, and 1 USB-c 5v/3a port.
I really hope Motorola / Verizon / Aftermarket companies are able to come up with a charger for this device. I love my Moto Z Force, but with the battery mods, I would like to have a charger for work capable of charging the mod as well. I don't know if I'd be able to survive with the 3ft one that came with it. I went out and bought all of the 3.0 accessories and threw out the boxes as well, thinking it would work. No USB A > USB C Chargers I've tried have worked. I'm anxious to hear if anyone has found one that works.
I reached out to Motorola Customer Service, the person had no idea what was going on. I have a Quick Charge 3.0 Aukey charger at my desk, Ampere says it's charging at 4.341v but no turbo power blurb. My buddy has the "Fast Charging" Verizon one, but it doesn't say it either. Hard to tell if it even has QC or not. They did however load the official moto charger (OEM) onto their webpage. I may just have to live with this one. :/
The one I have on order will certainly put the phone into turbo mode. I don't know how many amps it will do but it will be at least 3. As far as finding something above 3, well I couldn't. I ordered my own USB cable as well (C to C) and could have chosen any length. My charger is a hub with 6 ports and one is a QC 2.0 port. Couldn't find one with the fast USB-C port that also had 3.0.
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Here's some charging stats for you. All in amps.
.25a - USB port on surface pro 4
.97a - Portable battery pack
.23a - Old USB hub on 2.1a port. (Terrible!)
2.5a - Nexus 6p charger. ("Turbo" shows)
5.1a!!! - Factory force charger
Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DVH7Q8M
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
https://www.anker.com/products/A1371012
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-c2pe-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-Qualcomm-Certified-Quick-Charger-QC-3.0-33W-USB-Type-C-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E764DXM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018TGGH4E
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
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Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-...-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Charge...8&qid=1470243655&sr=1-1&keywords=aukey+type-c
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
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So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Metfanant said:
So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
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Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
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Does the USB certification matter for the cable? Is a USB 2.0 cable enough or do we need 3.0 or 3.1?
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We all know that the Qualcomm Hardware which is in our Sony Xperia Z2 theoraticlaly support Quick Charge 2.0! However, we also know that Sony blocked this feature by simply not adding the quick charge code in our OS which is obviously Android. BUT since the new and final Marshmallow 6.0.1 Update 23.5.A.1.291 rolled for the Z2 there have been some rumors about this topic. These rumors are about potential quick charge 2.0 support for this device. Well, I did some testing using the new Quick Charger and the normal one from Sony. I bought the QC 3.0 model because it supports QC2.0 as well. Let`s find out if quick charge 2.0 indeed work on the XPERIA Z2. The charging may be different for your Z2 because I use different settings and background apps. CHECK OUT THE RESULTS AND THEN READ THE CONCLUSION! SPOILER! YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED :crying:
Device: Xperia Z2 D6503
slightly undervolted: -30mV
Android 6.0.1 build 291
used chargers:
Stock SONY charger
Ye!! 3in1 Charger (I used the 2.1A port)
Aukey Quick Charge 3.0
Aukey Quick Charge 3.0 + Jackos_QuickCharge2.0_rev5.zip
COMPARISON
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10 minutes charging with normal Charger by SONY (1m cable)
max: 1200mA
average: 1090mA
max battery temp: 34.5 degree celsius
percent gained: 3%
start: 30%
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10 minutes charging with 2.1A Tablet Charger by Ye!! (1m cable)
max:990mA
average: 970mA
max battery temp: 33.9 degree celsius
percent gained: 3%
start: 37%
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10 minutes charging with Quick Charge 2.0 by AUKEY (1m cable)
max: 1230mA
average: 1050mA
max battery temp: 41.3 degree celsius
percent gained: 3%
start: 25%
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10 minutes charging with Quick Charge 2.0 by AUKEY (1m cable) + jackos_qcboost zip
max: 1670mA
average: 1640mA
max battery temp: 40.3 degree celsius
percent gained: 6-7%
start: 40%
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SCREENSHOTS↓SONY CHARGER↓ Sorry the value is that low because my charger is broken
↓Ye!! 2.1A CHARGER↓
↓QUICK CHARGE 3.0 AUKEY↓
CONCLUSION:
Well now you saw the results. What do you think? I am sorry that I have to say that but no, Quick Charge 2.0 isn`t supported in build 23.5.A.1.291! If Quick Charge 2.0 would be supported we could charge our Z2 with 2000mA = 2A instead of only ~1200mA. But you can still charge your phone faster using jackos quick charge zip which allows you to get a charging speed up to 1650mA while charging wiht a QC2.0 charger. @Jackos method works on Android Lollipop and Android Marshmallow (inlcuding all builds). The Bootloader can be LOCKED AND UNLOCKED! Check out the thread, if you are using a wuick charger it`s totally worth it! Yes, I know, we all hoped that we can now charge our phone with 2A but build 291 was officially the last one and we won`t get real Quick Charge 2.0 unless somebody builds a kernel which is based on build 291.
JACKOS QUICK CHARGE HACK FOR 1650mA CHARGING SPEED ON ANDROID MARSHMALLOW
used quick charger:
Aukey Quick Charge 3.0 Charger
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01AHWOH54/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Jackos Quick Charge 2.0 flashable Zip:
THREAD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/development/sony-secret-revealed-qc-2-0-t3163490
Download Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62713192&postcount=255
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Do you feel that the battery drains faster when charging with the quick charger rather than the normal sony charger. I once bought a tronsmart quick charge 2.0 charger it also gave high mA but in returned drained the battery faster.Any help will be appreciated.
Hariskh said:
Do you feel that the battery drains faster when charging with the quick charger rather than the normal sony charger. I once bought a tronsmart quick charge 2.0 charger it also gave high mA but in returned drained the battery faster.Any help will be appreciated.
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i can tell you that tomorrow. i got the charger today and in austria it`s 18:30 now so i have to wait a few hours for checking that
Thanks for the quick reply. I will be waiting
I will flash the "Jackos_QuickCharge2.0_rev5.zip" from the Android 5.1.1 QC 2.0 hack and test if the charging is faster
Broken cable maybe? I'm on 4.4.2 Still and get max 1500Ma from the Sony charger and cable.
Only on 4.4.2 because I only just got this phone (Demo Unit) and had to flash stock Firmware
ryanraven said:
Broken cable maybe? I'm on 4.4.2 Still and get max 1500Ma from the Sony charger and cable.
Only on 4.4.2 because I only just got this phone (Demo Unit) and had to flash stock Firmware
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maybe. i try the 1m cable which got with the quick charger
but the comparison between quick charger and quick charger+zip is quite interesting. to be honest, when I look at these two result I don`t believe that sony provides us the quci kcharge 2.0 feature
i used QC 2.0 from 4 mouth ago when up top 6.0.1 and them working like you (using Quick Charge 2.0 by AUKEY(model PA-T2) + 1m cable + jackos_qcboost zip) 1600~1650 mAh, but i can't chaging to 2000~ mAh like thread hack qC 2.0 for 5.1.1
Charging up to 2000mA is only possible with kernel modifications.
BTW What is the purpose of this thread? This is nothing new and there is already a thread for enabling QC2.0 on Z2.
The new firmware .291 changes nothing in this regard.
Tronsmart Quick Charge 2.0 on Jackos Mod
This is what I'm getting using Tronsmart quick charge 2.0 on Rooted 291 thru usb.. Using magnetic cable it gives me 1600ma but not as stable as the usb port
It really charges faster..
By the way...I've been using Tronsmart quick charge 2.0 for Almost 1 Year and a Half now.. And still Rocks!!! Plan of getting Tronsmart 3.0 very Soon.. I'll try to compare
Jackos said:
Charging up to 2000mA is only possible with kernel modifications.
BTW What is the purpose of this thread? This is nothing new and there is already a thread for enabling QC2.0 on Z2.
The new firmware .291 changes nothing in this regard.
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well because many people are confused right now. some say that 291 officially supports qc2.0 without your flashable zip and without the quick charge kernel for 5.1.1
this shows exactly what you mentioned. that nothing changed ^^
thats why I started this thread to compare and see if a quick charger really gets up to 2A while charging on 291 which would have shown us that qc works but even with your zip we only get around 1600mA which is good but not fully supported quick charge
and we all know that the full quick charge hack for the z2 only works on 5.1.1
abeyruma said:
By the way...I've been using Tronsmart quick charge 2.0 for Almost 1 Year and a Half now.. And still Rocks!!! Plan of getting Tronsmart 3.0 very Soon.. I'll try to compare
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there won`t be a difference. maybe the mA value is more stable while charging but it won`t increase...
hoanghoian said:
i used QC 2.0 from 4 mouth ago when up top 6.0.1 and them working like you (using Quick Charge 2.0 by AUKEY(model PA-T2) + 1m cable + jackos_qcboost zip) 1600~1650 mAh, but i can't chaging to 2000~ mAh like thread hack qC 2.0 for 5.1.1
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thats because quick charge 2.0 isn`t supported by build 291. too bad but thats why i started this thread to find out. for Android 6.0.1 you can only improve your charging speed by flashing jackos quick charge zip, but this only gets you up to 1650mA which is good but no real quick charge! i made this thread to show u guys that qucik charge 2.0 isn`t supported
does the battery drain faster while using quick charge 2.0 charger rather than the stock sony
Anyone know how to turn off this stupid "no full charge" thing it popped up saying phone won't fully charge to prolong battery life bla bla bla!
ryanraven said:
Anyone know how to turn off this stupid "no full charge" thing it popped up saying phone won't fully charge to prolong battery life bla bla bla!
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go into setting then about phone then status and there will be charging optimization turn that off.
lol two people didn`t fully read my thread. those two still think that qc22.0 is supported xd
I charge my Z2 with Jackos' zip @ 1700 mA, it takes around 1 hour from 20% to 100% So how can you say QC 2.0 isn't supported? Does it have to be 2000 mA?
To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the Huawei MediaPad M5 can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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Hi
Last week i bought an huawei M5 wifi only Version here in Germany from amazon. Its 32GB 4gb ram wifi only Version (non pro).
I noticed very slow charging speed with the provided quick charge power supply (huawai HW - 059200EHQ). From 10% batttery he tells me 4:29 minutes and with other chargers both quick charge ajd normal non huawai it shows 5:29 hours so 1 hour more.
Can anyone confirm the charging time because the m5 pro charges this in 2:10 minutes.
Disappointed that it does not have Qualcomm QC standard but Huawei's own FCP standard.
yaesudx said:
Hi
Last week i bought an huawei M5 wifi only Version here in Germany from amazon. Its 32GB 4gb ram wifi only Version (non pro).
I noticed very slow charging speed with the provided quick charge power supply (huawai HW - 059200EHQ). From 10% batttery he tells me 4:29 minutes and with other chargers both quick charge ajd normal non huawai it shows 5:29 hours so 1 hour more.
Can anyone confirm the charging time because the m5 pro charges this in 2:10 minutes.
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I have non pro 10.8" 64GB M5, when I'm connecting to charger, it says 4 or 5 hours, but 10-15 minutes later it says 2:15-2:30 hours... and usually it will be 100% within 150 minutes. So its charging is really fast - actually I can't see faster yet...
I don't know of estimated charging times but charging itself with the oficial power supply is really fast.
Enviado desde mi SHT-W09 mediante Tapatalk
Update for anyone interested: Tronsmart chargers with VoltIQ and QC3 can charge the M5 on fast charge.
alvinlwh said:
Update for anyone interested: Tronsmart chargers with VoltIQ and QC3 can charge the M5 on fast charge.
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My M5 10 Pro will arrive soon, thanks for the info.
Might get the charger as the device doesn't support QC3...
An observation.
While using and charging my 8.4 M5 from a powerbank with type c port, and type c to type c cable I notice that the powerbank only maintains the charge.
This being 5v 3 amp so 15 watts.
The same powerbank has QC3 usb ports and when I use a USB to type c cable, the powerbank on the lcd display indicates 9v 2 amp, so 18 Watts, so actually charges the M5 slowly when also being used, which I have observed.
It therefore supports QC2, being 9v 2 amp, which to be fair, Huawei says it supports 9v 2 amp, even though they don't mention QC2.
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An observation.
While using and charging my 8.4 M5 from a powerbank with type c port, and type c to type c cable I notice that the powerbank only maintains the charge.
This being 5v 3 amp so 15 watts.
The same powerbank has QC3 usb ports and when I use a USB to type c cable, the powerbank on the lcd display indicates 9v 2 amp, so 18 Watts, so actually charges the M5 slowly when also being used, which I have observed.
It therefore supports QC2, being 9v 2 amp, which to be fair, Huawei says it supports 9v 2 amp, even though they don't mention QC2.
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I tried a couple of stock qc2 charger like Samsung and etc with didnt work.
Tried my Aukey QC3 charger too and same no fast charging.
All are measure by electrical measurement device.
Huawei makes its own SuperCharge capable powerbank, and it doesn't break the bank.
https://www.tvc-mall.com/details/hu...or-huawei-p10-mate-9-black-sku101705094a.html
^ I ordered from that site, and received it.
As my M5 came from Amazon Germany and I'm in the UK, I haven't had the opportunity to try the standard charger that came with it having the euro pins. Seeing as I'm currently on holiday in Greece, I bought my euro charger so will try it charging my powerbank. The powerbank will report the input voltage and current from the charger...
Edit: The supplied Huawei charger says quick charger on the side, and also lists 9v 2a output. Using it to charge my powerbank, it indicates a 9v 2a input.
So in my case all my QC2, and the included charger, all output 9v 2a correctly.
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I tried a couple of stock qc2 charger like Samsung and etc with didnt work.
Tried my Aukey QC3 charger too and same no fast charging.
All are measure by electrical measurement device.
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I too can confirm Aukey QC3 will not fast charge the M5. Nor will a 5V3A USB C to C method mentioned by stag74. HOWEVER it does work with an unbranded QC3 charger from Gearbest, so go figure.
It appears that what will or will not work with Huawei FCP is kind of a gamble except with their own or clearly marked FCP chargers.
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stag74 said:
As my M5 came from Amazon Germany and I'm in the UK, I haven't had the opportunity to try the standard charger that came with it having the euro pins. Seeing as I'm currently on holiday in Greece, I bought my euro charger so will try it charging my powerbank. The powerbank will report the input voltage and current from the charger...
Edit: The supplied Huawei charger says quick charger on the side, and also lists 9v 2a output. Using it to charge my powerbank, it indicates a 9v 2a input.
So in my case all my QC2, and the included charger, all output 9v 2a correctly.
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The supplied charger can charge items that are QC2/3 at fast speed. However the reverse cannot be said for the M5. So instead of just bringing a dual port QC charger on holiday, we will need to bring the Huawei charger as well to quickly charge everything.
My wattage gauge broke
I ordered one and will receive it in a few days and will compare
It's fast. 20% to 70% in one hour.
20% to 93% in 1 and a half hour.
Great charging speed for a tablet.
10.8 wifi variant.
With the in box charger it charges the M5 64gb 10.8 100% in around 1½ hour, thats really good for a tablet in my opinion.
I tried my Mate 20X super charger, but it only charge it the normal slow speed, i was hoping for fast charge, but no
Sendt fra min EVR-L29 med Tapatalk
you can see charge time with original charger in this video:
https://youtu.be/gDzTlv58Nf4
Has anyone found a cheap charger that will do both FCP for my M5 and also QC 2 or 3 for my LG V35? What about all the various smart voltage chargers like Ankers power port, etc? Shouldn't they detect the subtle difference bt FCP and QC and supply what the device wants to fast charge?
If I recall correctly, looking and specs on the individual chargers was something like 9v/2a for FCP Huawei charger and 9v/1.8a for the QC charger for my LG V35, which my M5 won't accept for fast charging.
StephenMSmith said:
Has anyone found a cheap charger that will do both FCP for my M5 and also QC 2 or 3 for my LG V35? What about all the various smart voltage chargers like Ankers power port, etc? Shouldn't they detect the subtle difference bt FCP and QC and supply what the device wants to fast charge?
If I recall correctly, looking and specs on the individual chargers was something like 9v/2a for FCP Huawei charger and 9v/1.8a for the QC charger for my LG V35, which my M5 won't accept for fast charging.
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I use this charger, does M5 Fast Charge just fine while being a QC3 charger, so should do both. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01GFDSO1M
Car dual quick charger
I have been using this Aukey dual port QC 3.0 charger and can verify that it fast charges both the M5 8.4 tablet and my Samsung Note 8 simultaneously. I drive a truck and use the M5 tablet as a GPS unit with SmartTruckRoute. The screen is on medium brightness for 10 to 14 hours a day and never falls below 100% while plugged in. I take it off of the charger to watch Netflix and YouTube videos while eating or while in the sleeper and it shows fast charging when I plug it back in.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B2BMIMS
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Unfortunately, it's slow like G Power
It only takes up to 18 watts
No real surprises here ... it's a big battery and only 18W charging, so it takes a while.
I can, however, confirm that 18W TurboPower charging isn't just limited to the included charger--it seems to work from any Quick Charge 3.0-compatible source (both wall chargers and battery packs have worked fine for me). (For whatever reason, that fact doesn't seem to have been made clear in the specs or any of the reviews I've seen so far.)
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No real surprises here ... it's a big battery and only 18W charging, so it takes a while.
I can, however, confirm that 18W TurboPower charging isn't just limited to the included charger--it seems to work from any Quick Charge 3.0-compatible source (both wall chargers and battery packs have worked fine for me). (For whatever reason, that fact doesn't seem to have been made clear in the specs or any of the reviews I've seen so far.)
foobarney said:
No real surprises here ... it's a big battery and only 18W charging, so it takes a while.
I can, however, confirm that 18W TurboPower charging isn't just limited to the included charger--it seems to work from any Quick Charge 3.0-compatible source (both wall chargers and battery packs have worked fine for me). (For whatever reason, that fact doesn't seem to have been made clear in the specs or any of the reviews I've seen so far.)
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No real surprises here ... it's a big battery and only 18W charging, so it takes a while.
I can, however, confirm that 18W TurboPower charging isn't just limited to the included charger--it seems to work from any Quick Charge 3.0-compatible source (both wall chargers and battery packs have worked fine for me). (For whatever reason, that fact doesn't seem to have been made clear in the specs or any of the reviews I've seen so far.)
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I used standard 18 watts PD charger
Good to know! I didn't have a PD charger handy to test that (presumably the included one is QC3 because it isn't USB-C)
Despite the charge speed, this thing seems to last forever (for me) anyway so I can live with that. I don't need to charge until the evening.