So I've had my hands on the Mi5S since Monday, putting it through my paces as a previous Mi5 owner I can confirm the build to me feels better, wit the new alloy rear housing it feels more solid in hand, but quite as slippery as the glass backed Mi 5S.
Here is my review and unboxing:
Mi5S unboxing:
Mi5S camera Vs S6 Edge+
Key findings:
The lack of OIS on the camera results in poor video without DIS which only works in 1080p. The DIS in 1080p doesn't do a bad job, but the video still suffers from a very slow audio bitrate of 96kbps. And the bitrate of 41Mbps for 4k results in some compression artifacts in video. Autofocus is often all over the place too.
The camera can take a decent image as seen in my review, but low light performance is quite poor as good as my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+. The only way to get a decent night shot is using a tripod and manaul settings, even then it's full of noise and oversharpening.
Xiaomi's Mi5S camera press video teaser shows everyone using tripods lol! And I believe the images have been massively touched up.
On to the positives, continual use I got over 8 hours of screen on time and a PCMark battery score of 9 hours and 59 minutes which is around 1 hour more than the Mi5. Real life use about 4-5 hours screen on time and two days for me.
The UFS 2.0 storage is super quick, 400mb/s reads and 170 MB/s writes. Now that is super fast for a mobile. This combined with the Qualcomm snapdragon 821 makes the phone super quick and smooth. No lag detected all games seem to run around 60 fps thanks to the Adreno 530 and 1080p screen you need not worry about lag. Multitasking isn't the greatest, after a while the aggressive battery savings will kill background apps. So often switching apps results in the app reloading.
The ultrasonic fingerprint reader works well, just as fast as the Mi5. I guess the benefit is without a physical button it will be much more reliable. And yes it works if your finger is damp, not that the phone is water proof!
So Mi5 owners, I wouldn't upgrade to this model. No real point unless you want a higher benchmark score. And if you want to get this phone get it for the speed, build, screen and battery. NOT for it's video quality as you'll be very disappointed.
More details are in my video review including benchmarks. I'll have the Mi5S Plus next week to review and later the Le Pro 3 another Snapdragon 821.
Excellent work Hendrickson! Thank you very much!
For a new phone/not an upgrade do you prefer Mi5s over Mi5? What do you think about scratch resistance, a protection case is mandatory like on Mi5?
It looks like one advantage of Mi5s is that if we substitute the metal case, only front lcd scratches subsists because lateral side belongs to the case isn't it?
Hendrickson said:
So I've had my hands on the Mi5S since Monday, putting it through my paces as a previous Mi5 owner I can confirm the build to me feels better, wit the new alloy rear housing it feels more solid in hand, but quite as slippery as the glass backed Mi 5S.
Here is my review and unboxing:
Mi5S unboxing:
Mi5S camera Vs S6 Edge+
Key findings:
The lack of OIS on the camera results in poor video without DIS which only works in 1080p. The DIS in 1080p doesn't do a bad job, but the video still suffers from a very slow audio bitrate of 96kbps. And the bitrate of 41Mbps for 4k results in some compression artifacts in video. Autofocus is often all over the place too.
The camera can take a decent image as seen in my review, but low light performance is quite poor as good as my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+. The only way to get a decent night shot is using a tripod and manaul settings, even then it's full of noise and oversharpening.
Xiaomi's Mi5S camera press video teaser shows everyone using tripods lol! And I believe the images have been massively touched up.
On to the positives, continual use I got over 8 hours of screen on time and a PCMark battery score of 9 hours and 59 minutes which is around 1 hour more than the Mi5. Real life use about 4-5 hours screen on time and two days for me.
The UFS 2.0 storage is super quick, 400mb/s reads and 170 MB/s writes. Now that is super fast for a mobile. This combined with the Qualcomm snapdragon 821 makes the phone super quick and smooth. No lag detected all games seem to run around 60 fps thanks to the Adreno 530 and 1080p screen you need not worry about lag. Multitasking isn't the greatest, after a while the aggressive battery savings will kill background apps. So often switching apps results in the app reloading.
The ultrasonic fingerprint reader works well, just as fast as the Mi5. I guess the benefit is without a physical button it will be much more reliable. And yes it works if your finger is damp, not that the phone is water proof!
So Mi5 owners, I wouldn't upgrade to this model. No real point unless you want a higher benchmark score. And if you want to get this phone get it for the speed, build, screen and battery. NOT for it's video quality as you'll be very disappointed.
More details are in my video review including benchmarks. I'll have the Mi5S Plus next week to review and later the Le Pro 3 another Snapdragon 821.
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Could you pull all the files starting with libmmcamera_imx in /system/vendor/lib no root required
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@Hendrickson thanks for the vids. I was set on buying the 5s but probably won't now. Can you do a comparison with mi5 camera?
What are your thoughts on Zuk Z2 Pro?
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Excellent work Hendrickson! Thank you very much!
For a new phone/not an upgrade do you prefer Mi5s over Mi5? What do you think about scratch resistance, a protection case is mandatory like on Mi5?
It looks like one advantage of Mi5s is that if we substitute the metal case, only front lcd scratches subsists because lateral side belongs to the case isn't it?
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MI5S for the metal rear, it doesn't get slimy and as slippery.
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Could you pull all the files starting with libmmcamera_imx in /system/vendor/lib no root required
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Please show me how to do this without root?
ermacwins said:
@Hendrickson thanks for the vids. I was set on buying the 5s but probably won't now. Can you do a comparison with mi5 camera?
What are your thoughts on Zuk Z2 Pro?
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I would but i sold my Mi5. I'll do a Mi5S Plus and GS7 comparison.
Well it's obvious GS7 will be better. Have you played around with the Zuk Z2 Pro?
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MI5S for the metal rear, it doesn't get slimy and as slippery.
Please show me how to do this without root?
I would but i sold my Mi5. I'll do a Mi5S Plus and GS7 comparison.
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1) via adb pull /system/vendor/lib
2) via root explorer or Es File Explorer
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Thanks for the review. I have one small question. Can it play HEVC x265 1080p 10bit & 2160p 10bit videos with video bitrate higher than 25mbps in HW & HW+ mode on MXPlayer? Also if it does then on just chines rom or global rom also?
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Thanks for the review. I have one small question. Can it play HEVC x265 1080p 10bit & 2160p 10bit videos with video bitrate higher than 25mbps in HW & HW+ mode on MXPlayer? Also if it does then on just chines rom or global rom also?
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I read somewhere 821 or Mi 5s supports HEVC (x265) 4k, so I'm sure it'll be able to handle it
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I read somewhere 821 or Mi 5s supports HEVC (x265) 4k, so I'm sure it'll be able to handle it
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Yes it supports HEVC but most oem dont implement the feature in ROMs so we r forced to play in SW mode which is slow.
Impressive good job, thank you
Great review. Thanks for that. Question; would you say the cam is worse, the same or better than the regular MI5? Thanks!
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Third party camera apps.
That's a great review. Were you able to run any third party camera apps or Google camera app (marshmallow build). The manual camera compatibility app would be a good way to check camera 2 api support which most of these apps require. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.vipek.camera2_compatibility_test
If that doesn't work and you are feeling adventurous you could try the build.prop edit via adb or root which worked for mi5. The aim is to find out if only mi's camera app is at fault here since it has the same specs as the pixel and yet compares so poorly with other phones.
Hendrickson said:
So I've had my hands on the Mi5S since Monday, putting it through my paces as a previous Mi5 owner I can confirm the build to me feels better, wit the new alloy rear housing it feels more solid in hand, but quite as slippery as the glass backed Mi 5S.
Here is my review and unboxing:
Mi5S unboxing:
Mi5S camera Vs S6 Edge+
Key findings:
The lack of OIS on the camera results in poor video without DIS which only works in 1080p. The DIS in 1080p doesn't do a bad job, but the video still suffers from a very slow audio bitrate of 96kbps. And the bitrate of 41Mbps for 4k results in some compression artifacts in video. Autofocus is often all over the place too.
The camera can take a decent image as seen in my review, but low light performance is quite poor as good as my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+. The only way to get a decent night shot is using a tripod and manaul settings, even then it's full of noise and oversharpening.
Xiaomi's Mi5S camera press video teaser shows everyone using tripods lol! And I believe the images have been massively touched up.
On to the positives, continual use I got over 8 hours of screen on time and a PCMark battery score of 9 hours and 59 minutes which is around 1 hour more than the Mi5. Real life use about 4-5 hours screen on time and two days for me.
The UFS 2.0 storage is super quick, 400mb/s reads and 170 MB/s writes. Now that is super fast for a mobile. This combined with the Qualcomm snapdragon 821 makes the phone super quick and smooth. No lag detected all games seem to run around 60 fps thanks to the Adreno 530 and 1080p screen you need not worry about lag. Multitasking isn't the greatest, after a while the aggressive battery savings will kill background apps. So often switching apps results in the app reloading.
The ultrasonic fingerprint reader works well, just as fast as the Mi5. I guess the benefit is without a physical button it will be much more reliable. And yes it works if your finger is damp, not that the phone is water proof!
So Mi5 owners, I wouldn't upgrade to this model. No real point unless you want a higher benchmark score. And if you want to get this phone get it for the speed, build, screen and battery. NOT for it's video quality as you'll be very disappointed.
More details are in my video review including benchmarks. I'll have the Mi5S Plus next week to review and later the Le Pro 3 another Snapdragon 821.
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Pixel camera App?
Do you tried the leaked camera app apk from pixel phones? They've got similar hardware and maybe it could improve photos and videos quality
It won't work. The pixel camera requires Nougat.
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Do you tried the leaked camera app apk from pixel phones? They've got similar hardware and maybe it could improve photos and videos quality
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It won't work. The pixel camera requires Nougat.
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Doh, I hope in Xiaomi to improve their camera software ASAP. I pretty like this phone...
what about audio quality from headphones? what about dac?
if we install pixel camera app on mi5s ( after android 7 update ), will hdr+ work? or it needs some other requirements like special camera firmware or special Image Processor ?
hdr+ in pixel phones takes and combines several pics in low light situations to produce better photos and reduce noise.
i think hdr+ will not work and quality of photos taken with pixel camera app will be like stock camera app or other 3rd party apps.
defcomg said:
Could you pull all the files starting with libmmcamera_imx in /system/vendor/lib no root required
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@defcomg , I've pulled them from current China Developer ROM (6.10.13). Hope that helps. (I don't own the phone!)
s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=09777612282974640057 -> libmmcamera_imx.zip (Apparently I can't attach files yet)
s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49016282409257723878 -> libmm.lst
I was also wondering if
1) Camera DSP code and image processing algorithms can be updated by software and that may make a difference (I don't know how this things exactly work)
2) Xiaomi is willing to do so in future updates
salehe said:
@defcomg , I've pulled them from current China Developer ROM (6.10.13). Hope that helps. (I don't own the phone!)
s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=64931846989238561549 -> libmmcamera_imx.zip (Apparently I can't attach files yet)
s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=49016282409257723878 -> libmm.lst
I was also wondering if
1) Camera DSP code and image processing algorithms can be updated by software and that may make a difference (I don't know how this things exactly work)
2) Xiaomi is willing to do so in future updates
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Thanks for the files.
1. Yes the Post Processing Algorithms are updatable the files contains the _CPP suffix contain post processing parameters.
2. This I don't know few OEM's actually ever update camera calibration after the device has been released .
Its possible to get post processing algorithms from another device or adjust them via hex editing if one has time
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By the way both links have the same file
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Hi all,
I've had my Xiaomi RedMi Note 2 for a while now and thought I would share my video review and hands on unboxing videos:
Unboxing:
Hands-on gaming, benchmarks, thoughts, opinions.
Overall this is definitely one of the best bang for you buck mobile phones around. The Mediatek 6795 Helio X10 runs great and the GPU is fastest enough for even the most demanding games. LTE/4G is crazy fast for me, I had never got 75mbps speeds before, not even on my LG G4. which caps at around 50mbps for me. The screen looks great and there isn't much to not like on this mobile. The 13MP camera is good in anything but low light and macros come out amazing (see my samples). What I find disappointing is the sound on video and in lower light the video frame rate drops below 30fps. Indoor low light shots are very average.
The phone has now been passed on to my wife and she loves it, complete overkill for her needs. MIUI also might not be for everyone. And the build is very plastic and cheap feeling compared to metal framed phones. I got it from GearBest here: http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_229217.html
Day video sample (1080p):
Sunset (1080p):
Night video (1080p)
Camera samples:
Like on my Note 4 I get over 120 Mbit/s over LTE but Wifi, GPS and 2G/3G/4G is 2-3 times better than on my Note 4. Sometimes I can't belive this.
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The foliage looks really washed out on those samples, was it windy or does it really do such a poor job? The rest of the samples seem really decent for the price.
Crim Soukyuu said:
The foliage looks really washed out on those samples, was it windy or does it really do such a poor job? The rest of the samples seem really decent for the price.
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It was windy and low light in some of the later shots. Low light pictures are not good at all.
I think that lack of optical stabilization makes video recording really bad. I think that the quality is descent, but the everything is kind of up and down all the time, a little cranky.....
MIUI 7 Slow motion samples:
MIUI 7 Time lapse samples:
Thanks mate. Can it does slower than this?
Nope. There's no other settings for slow mo.
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I think that lack of optical stabilization makes video recording really bad. I think that the quality is descent, but the everything is kind of up and down all the time, a little cranky.....
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Definitely I have a G4 and now a Note 5, I miss OIS, even DIS would help out here. The quality is good, but the audio is a bit washed out. But still for a $165 dollar mobile it's decent.
Hi,
could you test HEVC encoding capabilities for us, it's a little tricky, only "CINEMA FV5" app could support HEVC encoding for the moment, and if you can test [email protected] and [email protected] and Manual Focus as well it will be great, thanks in adavance
Very nice review and some of the only slow motion footage on youtube, thanks! :good:
What do you think about that? Is that really important? My hands are very shaky tough, I have a z1 compact now, and I can't really get clear photos at night.
G4B33 said:
What do you think about that? Is that really important? My hands are very shaky tough, I have a z1 compact now, and I can't really get clear photos at night.
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I have the original MI 5 and now I can't imagine life without OIS....
Night pictures are significantly better, video shooting, when held by hand is better, and overall photo blurriness is lower.
However the dual cameras have some advantages too, like on the huawei P9, but as seen on the redmi pro, xiaomi hasn't done much to make the second camera count...
The MI 5s is a better phone than the MI5 as hardware goes, but imho the dual camera setup is just a gimmick for now
Why would they omitt ois on the regular 5s? So the mi5 had it?
Mi5 regular has it yes
Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?
paul1508 said:
Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?
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Let's just say 99.9% :crying:
paul1508 said:
Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?
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100% no OIS
It have electronic image stabilization like the google pixel: http://en.miui.com/thread-376042-1-1.html
myseg said:
...but imho the dual camera setup is just a gimmick for now
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I wouldn't completely agree on this. The combination of colour and BW sensor produces better night time photos, as BW sensor is much more sensitive and when combined with colour info from the other sensor it can produce a better overall image in challenging lighting conditions. If they've implemented photo app as they should, results should actually be better.
jlmcr87 said:
It have electronic image stabilization like the google pixel
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What's interesting is that Google Pixel with the same IMX378 (without OIS) competes with the iPhone 7, thanks to its software engine. I am thinking... it could be possible to import their engine to mi5S? It's something like camera app related or deeper?
If you want good 4k video it's a deal breaker. I have the Mi5S and made a comparison against a S6 Edge+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6ldDSR47o
Your video is very impressive !! I had almost bought it and now I don't know what to do ! Maybe the Axon 7 ...
Thank you !!
Kant1 said:
Your video is very impressive !! I had almost bought it and now I don't know what to do ! Maybe the Axon 7 ...
Thank you !!
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Comparing it side to side one sees the difference, but looking at just MI5S it seems good just as well. I wouldn't worry too much. 5s uses Sony's sensor. A very good one.
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It depends if you make video in 4k or 2k. In 2k you have electrical image stabilizer (EIS) working, which is a help. In 4k you don't have it though. For photos it's also disabled.
As the Mi 5s (currently) runs on android 6 and the google Pixel on 7.1, there is no chance to port to image engine at the moment. Only time will tell if that changes in the future.
This is a deal breaker for me.
I really thought I found the perfect phone.
But seeing how shaky videos are, IDK what to do now...
In my country, the 5s is about 350e, it's new, not many are selling it yet.
But the 5 is about 260-280e and there are a few sellers.
I love the 1080p 120fps, but the lack of OIS on the 5s is killing me.
Should I get the regular Mi 5?
Should I just swallow the fact that the 5s doesn't have OIS?
I hear it's EIS but only for 1080p and only for video.
I've seen photos, I'm confident I won't mind in that area, but the 4k OIS, or lack of...
Do you guys think I'm making this too much of a problem when it's really not?
I was searching for the perfect phone that was also not too expensive. That doesn't charge for the name.
This is really making me sad... Almost had it.
Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.
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Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.
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I do...
LG 4k OLED.
I paid big money for it. Would hate to see shaky video on such a nice TV.
Imagine sitting down with someone, watching videos from travelling or something, and seeing how shaky your phone camera is...
When I spend big money on electronics, I expect them to provide good quality.
However, I dislike spending money on brand name. That's why I don't want to spend x2 more on a phone by Samsung, or similar.
Xiaomi is 1 of those brands that doesn't really make you pay for the name.
My TV is different, since, when I bought it, it was 1 of a kind. Truly outstanding quality. OLED was exclusive to LG.
Also, my monitor is 4k.
That's why this is a deal breaker for me. The lack of OIS on Mi 5s.
And that's why I'm really torn apart, whether to get the Mi 5. It's older phone, but the CPU isn't that big of a difference. It's like 5% difference on energy savings.
However, the bigger pixel size, looks to be good and photos are better, even without OIS and even in low light, on the Mi 5s.
Still don't know what to do.
I anyway wouldn't film with my mobile, for that I have a camera which also has built in zoom function But I know what you mean.
The Mi 5 is also a good phone, also it's only a bit older than 7 months, which is still very new. You might want to check out the new Oneplus 3T or Meizu phones, maybe they have an OIS.
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Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.
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I feel the same, I'm happy with 2K EIS.
Maybe a clever Dev will find a way to unlock EIS on 4K, it sounds very possible.
I feel many people are waiting for the grey version to become available again, once they have shipped we should see more development for this device.
BPSoft said:
What's interesting is that Google Pixel with the same IMX378 (without OIS) competes with the iPhone 7, thanks to its software engine. I am thinking... it could be possible to import their engine to mi5S? It's something like camera app related or deeper?
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That would be awesome. Google Pixel's estabilization is incredible.
Here's some shots taken with a 3rd party app called Snap Camera. Enjoy!
Hmm limited file size attachments. Here are links to the originals!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaUWZvek1BM1R0TUU/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaMkx3VnFDYkoyYXM/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaTGgxTVU4QXVGWjA/view?usp=drivesdk
I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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SWBgHz said:
I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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It has zero shutter lag, instant photos, really recommend it. Let me know if you want my settings! I'm not 100% sure but It may be a paid app, i think i'd purchased it sometime in the past.
Edit - Tried Open Camera - not very good output, couldn't get Google Camera to work for some reason.. Snap Camera is definitely the best I've seen so far.
Paulrgod,
Thank you so much for this post. What a difference snap makes. No focus breathing and stabilization built in. Huge win as the camera is so important to me as it is my daily picture taker for my family and the biggest concern for this phone...but not any more.
Thanks again!
No problem, happy to help.
I took some photos of my son playing in the living room the other day and it was awful, unacceptable quality really.
So I decided to see if any other apps would make a difference. The quality of the photos I posted above were better quality than comparison shots I took on my Note 5!
Still struggling in low light a bit though, but I've found keeping the ISO in check, set at 400 / 800 the shots are acceptable, but can be difficult getting it to take the shot.
Those shots are extremely noisy, lacking detail and soft ... they just feature heavy post processing (by the app) to make it more attractive to the average punter - saturation, contrast and smoothing. The camera absolutely isn't capable. In fact, many phones of similar price have better selfie sensors than this phone does main camera ...
Well someone's a bit grumpy. Did you click the links to see the full versions? The attachments in the first post are poor due to size rrestrictions. I'm quite happy with them actually.
They came out better than compatible shots taken at the same time on my Note 5.
Kinda hilarious that an app can do a better job than the phone manufacturer's own software.
I tried Snap camera too, but A Better Camera does better in terms of instant focus, or just it seemed to me
3rd party cams also do better in WB and details.
The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
CorruptedSanity said:
The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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Couldn't agree more on the bolded part as an owner of the Note 5 and returned the Phab 2 Pro after less than a week of ownership. Phab 2 Pro could of been a nice phone if they didn't cut corners in certain areas. Then again its all subjective to ones opinion.
Regarding the camera, wished it was as good as Samsung phones but I've used the 6.4" screen more than I've taken pictures so I'm ok with the traded of.
Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
VeryCoolAlan said:
Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
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Definitely Capturing and processing the image. Yes it does HDR - of which you can customise a hell of a lot - exposure values, delays between shots etc..
I've never seen a camera app with as many settings as this actually.
I do photography as a serious hobby.
Mix camera has its strength and weakness. (Native app)
The colour balance is quite accurate most of the time but it definitely love to over saturate.
The auto focus is snappy enough.
The auto exposure is surprisingly good as well.
The low light is terrible but ALL phone sucks at it.
HDR works and they keep the effect to the lower end which I like. While pixel has super good HDR results, sometimes the effect is way over used.
I really like the sharpening level they choose. It feel just right (More on the soft side)
Overall I would say the biggest flaw is that it's unreliable. Occasionally the colours are just way over saturated, but hey that's why I have a camera
To anyone that is rooted and has enabled the Camera2 API (adding persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1 to build.prop), give ProShot by Rise Up Games a try. Manual Camera by Geeky Devs Studio doesn't work when I mess with the shutter speed or ISO setting but ProShot does. Now both of these are paid but I'm sure you have Play Reward credit spare
I waited for MIUI 9 to see if it would bring an improvement in the camera application but now that I have it, I don't see any improvement. So I decided for now to use Snap Camera. Can someone tell me what would be the best settings to use Snap Camera in the MIX?
Is the Snap Camera app, better then the Google Camera app downloaded from the Oneplus 5 thread?
https://m.heise.de/ct/artikel/OnePlus-5T-Keine-Zoom-Kamera-mehr-3887487.html
Heise.de is one very serious german tech site and they say that since other sites already broke the NDA they dont feel obliged to hold information back.
To make it short: camera does not get better, low light performance gets even worse.
Long version: The camera setup (still WITHOUT OIS!) will be 16+20 mp again BUT the 20 mp sensor this time won't work as telephoto lens. Also aperture changes from f/2.6 to also f/1.7 like the 16 mp main snapper. Pixel size of the 20 mp sensor stays at 1.0 um. This sensor will, despite its crazily small pixel size, automatically work as low light shooter when light levels drop below 3.5 lux, making pictures look even worse than with the 16 mp sensor.
The Software does NOT use both sensors to combine the picture information like it is the case for other phones. Thus, picture quality does not seem to improve compared to the OP 5.
My comment: This really doesnt seem to make any sense. Why not put in a sensor with bigger pixels if you want a lowlight specific unit? Why take one with even smaller pixels? Wtf!? Did they have too many of those crappy 20mp sensor left over? Or why not at least use both sensors to combine the two die pics? Or why not just use the fabulous sensor that the s8/pixel2 uses and put an OIS in it? This is so stupid oneplus, i just dont get it..
Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?
This is kinda disappointing. I was kinda missing my OnePlus 5 going to the pixel 2xl because I really loved the feel and everything on the o5. I was also thinking I should have waited on the 5t and hope they made some small improvements to the camera. This seems like a bit if a downgrade. Battery life will still be really good but slightly worse. I don't see why they couldn't have fitted in a slightly larger battery
Finally get to review it
Finally got my new glasses and can check all of the new great features With these phones. It has been a while since I bought a smart phoneBut the one plus is something that I there are just way too expensive.
I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.
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I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.
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I think it will be possible. Since the changes are similar like 3 and 3t. Lets see
yeah, for me the missing ois is a deal breaker. I planned to upgrade from my op3t but now i will keep it. Hopefully they will learn from it and add a camera with ois for the 6
GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.
Maybe anybody has a acutal review of the camera of the Oppo R11s?
It should have the same camera configuration and software "magic".
Results should be an indication for the possible camera performance of the OP5T.
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GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.
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Interesting. GSMarena comments on the lowlight pictures:
"We also went out for some night shots around the usual locations. We won't be passing any verdicts just yet, but the results look promising."
When they said the second camera would have f1.7 aperture (without probably mentioning the pixel size) I thought they would do something special to combine the result of both cameras and create nice pictures. I didn't expect that they only would use one of them....
OnePlus clearly doesn't know much about software photography, but they know a lot about marketing...
Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Seriously brah?
Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?
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Well, the screen says 6.0 VS 5.5 But it's taller but thinner side to side. The total screen area should be the same or very close. I doubt enough to affect battery in any significant way. It's also a newer panel, so possibly more efficient than the old 5.5 which was a carryover from the previous OP.
The screen is not narrower but a lot longer so the real estate is quite bigger.
Its 136x68mm vs 122x68mm.
A few sites have mentioned the camera is a bit lackluster, but until we can get a good comparison between the 5 and 5T I'm not sure how to take these comments.
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Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.
Martin.077 said:
Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.
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i feel so too, on the op5 the difference is huge in low light conditions with the hdr+
Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks
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Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks
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And the microdots. It was too much of a hack for something I need to be reliable at least IMO.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there
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It is still producing oil paintings in daylight though.
Mind boggling that this is still not fixed! The sensor is capable to produce better photos but the processing...
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/op5T-2.jpg
This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!
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This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!
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Ok so moving is never sharp, although with other camera apps?
Hi guys!i bought p30 pro on monday at very good price the 256gb one.
Does it worth to go to s10+?
Im thinking to switch because i dont like much the videos p30 pro records and also no option for 60fps..
Your opinions pls?
Thx!
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Hi guys!i bought p30 pro on monday at very good price the 256gb one.
Does it worth to go to s10+?
Im thinking to switch because i dont like much the videos p30 pro records and also no option for 60fps..
Your opinions pls?
Thx!
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I have both. I have tried every possible tweak to the video on the P30 Pro. The camera (for still photos) is much better on the P30 and I don't think anyone can argue differently. However, if video is important there simply isn't a competition. The S10 produced fantastic video and 4K on the front facing camera is nice as well. The P30 Pro has a very difficult time with lighting changes and it throws off color badly. There are times when panning to different scenes will completely change the color palette on the P30. What was brown becomes almost red and there is a lot of oversaturation at times. There is also some stutter to video at times. I have other complaints as well. I'd say if still photos are most important keep it. If the screen quality and video are high on your list the S10 blows it away on both levels. FYI... The microphone is also terrible on the P30 Pro. I use an external mic which solves it - but the built in mic on the S10 is far better.
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I have both. I have tried every possible tweak to the video on the P30 Pro. The camera (for still photos) is much better on the P30 and I don't think anyone can argue differently. However, if video is important there simply isn't a competition. The S10 produced fantastic video and 4K on the front facing camera is nice as well. The P30 Pro has a very difficult time with lighting changes and it throws off color badly. There are times when panning to different scenes will completely change the color palette on the P30. What was brown becomes almost red and there is a lot of oversaturation at times. There is also some stutter to video at times. I have other complaints as well. I'd say if still photos are most important keep it. If the screen quality and video are high on your list the S10 blows it away on both levels. FYI... The microphone is also terrible on the P30 Pro. I use an external mic which solves it - but the built in mic on the S10 is far better.
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That red tint which occurs on p30 pro while record videos is very bad...
U think its software thing?
If possible pls name pros and cons for its device.
Appreciate the help.
P30 Pro 256gb Aurora Power
P30 for still photos and for speed I think according to some benchmarks and for battery life according to some users,
S10 for video and screen and much much more refined and better UI really the one ui is amazing ,
Also frankly the s10 gets very good photos and the weak areas in the Samsung camera app is covered by the Gcam port :good:
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Oh and stereo speakers on the s10 plus are excellent
Video is the dealbreaker for me. 30fps in 2019? Come on!
The Exynos version of the S10+ is capable of 8K 30 capture, for example!
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Video is the dealbreaker for me. 30fps in 2019? Come on!
The Exynos version of the S10+ is capable of 8K 30 capture, for example!
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If video is your priority it's pretty cut and dry. S10.
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I had both of them at the same time and I took the same photos and videos at the same time.
I bought the p30 pro because I got convinced by "authoritative" websites and reviewers, luckily thanks to these I managed to sell it without losing too much money.
The dynamic range is poor, the indoor photos go yellow and the outdoor ones tend to purple, a clear blue sky becomes lilac, the ryyb sensor is not so bright, the photos are even darker than the s10plus, the night mode alters the scene and creates a lot of noise, the photos are too compressed.
The only good thing is the 5x zoom.
The gap on the videos is huge.
I understand fashion, I understand sponsorships and collaborations, I understand that youtubers need to make views but I felt cheated.
The p30pro has a good Huawey style camera but not yet like other competitors.
This is my experience.
The reviews of this device were different than the user experience. More so than usual I believe.
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Video is the dealbreaker for me. 30fps in 2019? Come on!
The Exynos version of the S10+ is capable of 8K 30 capture, for example!
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Can you please elaborate this ?
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Can you please elaborate this ?
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4K 150fps 10bit or 8K 30fps is what it's capable of according to Samsung. Of course (software) always dictates what the user experience is. Since the Exynos version will be rooted and soon after development starts, these hardware capabilities will be explored shortly thereafter. That's the chief reason why to pick the "underdog" so to speak.
What's the best place to get a P30 pro on a good deal?
I want to give it a try, if anyone is looking to offload one please let me know
Besides video recording here some advantages of the s10+:
-Better qhd screen
-Better UI
-Unlockable bootloader
-gcam ports
I have both and long story short, the perfect phone will be the front of the s10 including the screen design camera fingerprint and second speaker , the back of the p30 pro design color camera faster wireless charger and battery running oneUI powered by the sd855
Both are good. There are more negatives about the p30pro which can be easily specially yellowish photos can be fixed with snapseed ... that's the price to pay for if u want this marvelous night mode camera and zoom.
If making photos (low-light and possibly zoomed) is your primary focus --> P30+
For just about anything else --> S10+
I have the S10+ and the camera and zoom would be my only reason to switch to the P30+, but just about everything else is better on the S10+ I believe... screen, software, speakers, video.
Batterylife, I can only say I have no issues at all with the S10+ (though I DID specifically go for the 10+ for battery life) and can easily manage 1 day and with some minor effort I'd say 2. Not sure about the P30 Pro, though I heard it's great in that aspect.
The P30 Pro has been proven to phone home to Chinese servers. If you have to use a VPN or special hosts blocker on a phone for security concerns, then I'd never consider it in the first place.
Wireshark a P30 and watch the PLA pop up
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The P30 Pro has been proven to phone home to Chinese servers. If you have to use a VPN or special hosts blocker on a phone for security concerns, then I'd never consider it in the first place.
Wireshark a P30 and watch the PLA pop up
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Where is the proof?
I did a quick search and all I found was a guy who went to a chinese website and was surprised that it was accessing chinese servers.
Note_E said:
The P30 Pro has been proven to phone home to Chinese servers. If you have to use a VPN or special hosts blocker on a phone for security concerns, then I'd never consider it in the first place.
Wireshark a P30 and watch the PLA pop up
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There is no evidence of any links to Chinese servers, only the potential, and iOS and other Google phones have the same potential... Nor is there any evidence of a single piece of classified data being moved via Huawei, its just a bid by Trump and US to get a better trade deal with China, even last week Trump said that the ban on Huawei could be lifted as part of a new trade deal... so one can see its not a security issue but a business one. See here the quote from Trump https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/trump-huawei-trade-deal.html
USA is the only country where iPhone sales are strong, 47% use iPhones vs 16% globally. So with Huawei making big inroads (now no.2 after Samsung) Trump needed to protect that 47% (imagine if the iPhone user base in the USA fell by 30% odd..)
Jostian said:
There is no evidence of any links to Chinese servers, only the potential, and iOS and other Google phones have the same potential... Nor is there any evidence of a single piece of classified data being moved via Huawei, its just a bid by Trump and US to get a better trade deal with China, even last week Trump said that the ban on Huawei could be lifted as part of a new trade deal... so one can see its not a security issue but a business one. See here the quote from Trump https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/trump-huawei-trade-deal.html
USA is the only country where iPhone sales are strong, 47% use iPhones vs 16% globally. So with Huawei making big inroads (now no.2 after Samsung) Trump needed to protect that 47% (imagine if the iPhone user base in the USA fell by 30% odd..)
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Yep and let's not forgot the $200 Huawei phones. I don't think there is anything in that price range that is as feature rich.
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Not about specs.
Its about software updates and value of phone. I will personally go for s10+.
And in many countries (like mine - Singapore), shops do not accept huawei phones as trade in anymore.