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it's been brought up in other threads, but I'll get right down to the meat of it: Are the US variant tabs capable of sending and receiving cellular voice calls and texts, hardware wise? In other words, is the hardware there and just disabled by software, or are they physically incapable of this function?
Im on Sprint now, but my goal is to switch to T-Mobile or ATT so I can swap sim cards from my phone to a Tab at will. (yes, I know the tab takes a micro sim, but there are adapters). If the cellular radio is left intact, then rooting and flashing new firmware could enable it. Am I right?
thefoss said:
Im on Sprint now, but my goal is to switch to T-Mobile or ATT so I can swap sim cards from my phone to a Tab at will. (yes, I know the tab takes a micro sim, but there are adapters). If the cellular radio is left intact, then rooting and flashing new firmware could enable it. Am I right?
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I don't think anyone truly knows if the phone functionality can be re-enabled on the US Tab, but are you sure the US Tab uses micro-SIMs, because the European one just uses standard ones?
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
...but are you sure the US Tab uses micro-SIMs, because the European one just uses standard ones?
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Engadget reported that some T-Mobile US customer have been sent microSIMs recently, which lead to a spate of rumours about the iPhone4 but it was supposedly then confirmed that the microSIMs are to do with the Tab instead.
I spoke with T-Mobile tech support early this morning... the tech said according to the trouble shooting guides that they have to use... the hardware is there, but voice has been disabled due to software restrictions. If you look on the product page on the T-Mobile website, the specs listed have all 4 gsm radio frequencies as well as 2 aws 3g radios. The display pic even shows 4 full bars of cellular reception. The tech said voice was not supported at launch... however if the phone was "hacked" (his words) technically it could be used for voice and data. He also said that the data plan for the tab is the android smartphone plan, so if you do flash a new rom and have the unlimited plan... you should be gravy for voice and data!! I hope that all of this turns out to be true... we shall see in the next 2 days.
thanks for the info, im already a tmobile customer and want to do the same thing, flash cyanogen to the tab. I have a nexus one and this would rule. my only other question is...can i use my full upgrade on the tablet? i spoke to a 2nd lev tech support and he said i might have a problem doing that because its tech. not a phone. the regular rep couldnt help me at all, she had no info until launch....didnt even know launch date. again can i use my tmobile upgrade for the tab....
jdmadonna said:
I spoke with T-Mobile tech support early this morning... the tech said according to the trouble shooting guides that they have to use... the hardware is there, but voice has been disabled due to software restrictions. If you look on the product page on the T-Mobile website, the specs listed have all 4 gsm radio frequencies as well as 2 aws 3g radios. The display pic even shows 4 full bars of cellular reception. The tech said voice was not supported at launch... however if the phone was "hacked" (his words) technically it could be used for voice and data. He also said that the data plan for the tab is the android smartphone plan, so if you do flash a new rom and have the unlimited plan... you should be gravy for voice and data!! I hope that all of this turns out to be true... we shall see in the next 2 days.
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Sounds good
jdmadonna said:
I spoke with T-Mobile tech support early this morning... the tech said according to the trouble shooting guides that they have to use... the hardware is there, but voice has been disabled due to software restrictions. If you look on the product page on the T-Mobile website, the specs listed have all 4 gsm radio frequencies as well as 2 aws 3g radios. The display pic even shows 4 full bars of cellular reception. The tech said voice was not supported at launch... however if the phone was "hacked" (his words) technically it could be used for voice and data. He also said that the data plan for the tab is the android smartphone plan, so if you do flash a new rom and have the unlimited plan... you should be gravy for voice and data!! I hope that all of this turns out to be true... we shall see in the next 2 days.
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IF this were true, and the hardware is all the same, then that would also lead us to believe that the EUR version should have 850 3G capabilities too then, should it not?
I find it hard to believe it is a software limitation. I HOPE it is but highly doubt it.....fingers crossed
shollywood said:
IF this were true, and the hardware is all the same, then that would also lead us to believe that the EUR version should have 850 3G capabilities too then, should it not?
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No.
Rumours are that the T-Mobile US model uses a microSIM.
If that's true, then there must be some sort of difference in hardware between it and the EU models.
shollywood said:
IF this were true, and the hardware is all the same, then that would also lead us to believe that the EUR version should have 850 3G capabilities too then, should it not?
I find it hard to believe it is a software limitation. I HOPE it is but highly doubt it.....fingers crossed
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Not necessarily - the Telus Desire and "regular" Desire are essentially the same but have different radios to support different bands.
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Dave
Just came back from demoing the Tab at my local tmobile store. It does use a standard sim. However the update is this: in the apps management screen, it seems that the only thing missing is the actual phone apk. The phone utility apk is there and the contacts apk is there. It looks like we just need the phone apk and then possibly the contacts merge apk to get voice enabled. Anyhow, the phone is being released at 11am pst tomorrow in my town, mine is on reserve so I will have it by 11:05am pst. anyone who wants to guide me into activating voice on this baby, send me a message and i will be happy to assist with trying some methods out.
I will need to try the following apk's from the euro version:
phone.apk
contactsmerge.apk
oh, the local reps looked on the computer and said that this device WILL require a webconnect data plan, not the unlimited android. There is a work around though... with voice enabled, you can call tmobile and ask for a tech support supervisor, open a trouble ticket and request an engineer to change your device ip range to that of a smartphone... then data and voice should work together. I had this problem on my aws version of the dell streak and it fixed it using unlimited voice and unlimited android data plans.
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Not necessarily - the Telus Desire and "regular" Desire are essentially the same but have different radios to support different bands.
Regards,
Dave
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So how are they 'essentially" the same then? Different radios means different hardware....
This is my point, the US versions are not going to contain the same hardware, hence it will not be a simple software fix. I HOPE I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
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So how are they 'essentially" the same then? Different radios means different hardware....
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Because it's one tiny chip that's different, that's all.
The CPU, RAM, camera, display, OS, everything else is the same - hence essentially the same.
shollywood said:
This is my point, the US versions are not going to contain the same hardware, hence it will not be a simple software fix. I HOPE I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
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As foxmeister has pointed out, most of the hardware will be the same, so if it's as simple as just the 3G chip being different then it's possible that yes it may only require a simple software fix to enable voice calling.
The units don't to be 100% identical for it to just be a software matter.
However, until someone gives it a go there's no way of being sure.
the microsims are for iphone user that have unlocked their phones and port them over to t-mobile (makes it easier then cutting).
as for the plan. webconnect and regualr cellphone plans are two different animals... one customer having a mobile and a data stick will have two accounts. the webconnect plan is actually just data, no voice options. so really the only way for you to use this device as a phone is if you buy it full price and try your android device sim card on there. THEN theoretically it should work.
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the microsims are for iphone user that have unlocked their phones and port them over to t-mobile (makes it easier then cutting).
as for the plan. webconnect and regualr cellphone plans are two different animals... one customer having a mobile and a data stick will have two accounts. the webconnect plan is actually just data, no voice options. so really the only way for you to use this device as a phone is if you buy it full price and try your android device sim card on there. THEN theoretically it should work.
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Yes that's the plan. Paying the full price and if possible enable phone capabilities using a regular smartphone plan
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Because it's one tiny chip that's different, that's all.
The CPU, RAM, camera, display, OS, everything else is the same - hence essentially the same.
As foxmeister has pointed out, most of the hardware will be the same, so if it's as simple as just the 3G chip being different then it's possible that yes it may only require a simple software fix to enable voice calling.
The units don't to be 100% identical for it to just be a software matter.
However, until someone gives it a go there's no way of being sure.
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So why wouldn't ANYONE just flash the EUR firmware then and have everything enabled? You don't think they thought of that???
jdmadonna said:
Just came back from demoing the Tab at my local tmobile store. It does use a standard sim. However the update is this: in the apps management screen, it seems that the only thing missing is the actual phone apk. The phone utility apk is there and the contacts apk is there. It looks like we just need the phone apk and then possibly the contacts merge apk to get voice enabled. Anyhow, the phone is being released at 11am pst tomorrow in my town, mine is on reserve so I will have it by 11:05am pst. anyone who wants to guide me into activating voice on this baby, send me a message and i will be happy to assist with trying some methods out.
I will need to try the following apk's from the euro version:
phone.apk
contactsmerge.apk
oh, the local reps looked on the computer and said that this device WILL require a webconnect data plan, not the unlimited android. There is a work around though... with voice enabled, you can call tmobile and ask for a tech support supervisor, open a trouble ticket and request an engineer to change your device ip range to that of a smartphone... then data and voice should work together. I had this problem on my aws version of the dell streak and it fixed it using unlimited voice and unlimited android data plans.
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I bet we'll know within a week whether it can make calls or not. And if I have to take a bet I'll say... it can
I have never wanted to be more wrong on something...but I'll take that bet.
Step666 said:
Because it's one tiny chip that's different, that's all.
The CPU, RAM, camera, display, OS, everything else is the same - hence essentially the same.
As foxmeister has pointed out, most of the hardware will be the same, so if it's as simple as just the 3G chip being different then it's possible that yes it may only require a simple software fix to enable voice calling.
The units don't to be 100% identical for it to just be a software matter.
However, until someone gives it a go there's no way of being sure.
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Interesting logic....
So the Wave and the Galaxy S are "essentially" the same then....you cannot just throw Android on it and away you go...your logic would say otherwise.
The Wave too has the same CPU, RAM, Camera...etc. as the Galaxy S
Mine is onhold and waiting for me... I have a friend who knows Android tweaks inside and out ready to help me in the morning... hopefully we will know soon.
shollywood said:
So why wouldn't ANYONE just flash the EUR firmware then and have everything enabled? You don't think they thought of that???
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The same logic applies to locked and unlocked handsets, quite often it's just software 'so why wouldn't anyone just flash the generic firmware?'
It's a risk, that's why people don't do it.
However, in this case there may be something to be gained from taking that risk.
Unfortunately, we won't know for sure one way or the other until some intrepid soul takes that risk.
But the fact still remains, the vast majority of the hardware (ie basically everything but the radio) will be the same as the EU model and that means there is the possibility that all the T-Mobile US Tab (or perhaps an AT&T one) needs is a re-flash to activate calling.
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Interesting logic....
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At least I'm using some.
shollywood said:
So the Wave and the Galaxy S are "essentially" the same then....you cannot just throw Android on it and away you go...your logic would say otherwise.
The Wave too has the same CPU, RAM, Camera...etc. as the Galaxy S
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Now you're just being absurd.
The two situations are not comparable.
In the case of the Tab we're talking two versions of the same device just with different frequencies supported, both are still the Galaxy Tab, both are still the P1000, it is essentially the same device.
In the situation you have, for reasons unknown, chosen to highlight, they are two different handsets completely - they are different models, they have different model numbers, they just happen to have similar specs.
It would be like saying the Desire and the Trophy are the same just because they have the same CPU, RAM and camera and that you can just 'throw' the OS of one onto the other. It just doesn't work like that.
Or maybe you'd like to lend your expertise to the teams of people around here working tirelessly to port OSs between various handsets? Clearly they've missed a trick with this 'throwing' business you speak of(!)
Sad story finding out that the S7 is locked down harder than anything before. I'm still running a Note 3 that I purchased on release day, so needless to say, I've been holding out for the S7 since the S6 series didn't have SD card support.
Having had quite a few Samsung flagships over the years, I've really liked them, their speed and battery life, but having no root is a dealbreaker for me.
Things like TWRP (or MultiSystem), Cerberus, Greenify, TiBu and Xposed are essential to me. Seriously, without the ability to simply back up your current ROM or even just your apps and their data, what does everyone do when they get a new phone or some stupid update ruins what they had??
So that being said, I'm asking here if any of you are waiting it out for root before getting an S7 or if you're considering moving to another phone?
If you are thinking or have already moved to another phone, what's the best rootable phone of 2016 that has an SD card slot that is comparable to the S7?
I'm not hard to please, I just require root and an SD card slot - well, and a community of devs!
I heard there is an unlocked variant with CDMA, if not that then maybe wait it out until a root method is found.
Other options are the 5X, maybe the new G5 or the V10 if you want just root.
cadcamaro said:
I heard there is an unlocked variant with CDMA, if not that then maybe wait it out until a root method is found.
Other options are the 5X, maybe the new G5 or the V10 if you want just root.
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Unlocked variant with CDMA? Where did you hear this? This also doesn't guarantee Verizon will allow it on their network.
JAYNO20 said:
Unlocked variant with CDMA? Where did you hear this? This also doesn't guarantee Verizon will allow it on their network.
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I read it here
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/18/unlocked-lg-g5-gsm-cdma/
cadcamaro said:
I read it here
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/18/unlocked-lg-g5-gsm-cdma/
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That link is all about the G5....
JAYNO20 said:
That link is all about the G5....
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Sorry for some reason I thought that was the one you were interested in.
JAYNO20 said:
Unlocked variant with CDMA? Where did you hear this? This also doesn't guarantee Verizon will allow it on their network.
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I'm so tired of people making this comment... The law passed last year clearly stated that no phone can be block from any U.S. Network if it's not stolen, not on an agreement, and has the proper radios to support the network... That's why they can't stop nexus devices, unlocked Motorola etc. Your phone will simply show up on Verizon site as "non Verizon device" and your stupid voicemail won't work. That's what google voice is for. That's why as soon as you pay for your phone, carriers have to unlock it if you request them to do so
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I'm so tired of people making this comment... The law passed last year clearly stated that no phone can be block from any U.S. Network if it's not stolen, not on an agreement, and has the proper radios to support the network... That's why they can't stop nexus devices, unlocked Motorola etc. Your phone will simply show up on Verizon site as "non Verizon device" and your stupid voicemail won't work. That's what google voice is for. That's why as soon as you pay for your phone, carriers have to unlock it if you request them to do so
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So you are saying a Sprint phone will work on Verizon's network then? I think not.
JAYNO20 said:
So you are saying a Sprint phone will work on Verizon's network then? I think not.
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Did you miss the piece where I said the phone has to have the proper radios? Most sprint phones do not have the appropriate radios which support Verizon CDMA channels, therefore the phone wouldn't work. Phones like Nexus, Motorola, and other unlocked phones typically have the hardware to support all U.S carriers.
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Did you miss the piece where I said the phone has to have the proper radios? Most sprint phones do not have the appropriate radios which support Verizon CDMA channels, therefore the phone wouldn't work. Phones like Nexus, Motorola, and other unlocked phones typically have the hardware to support all U.S carriers.
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Ok so this post is completely useless in this section then. There isn't an unlocked variant of the s7 that will work with Verizon nor has there ever been a galaxy phone from another carrier that would work. So stop being a know it all and take you condescending attitude somewhere else. What is your deal?
JAYNO20 said:
Ok so this post is completely useless in this section then. There isn't an unlocked variant of the s7 that will work with Verizon nor has there ever been a galaxy phone from another carrier that would work. So stop being a know it all and take you condescending attitude somewhere else. What is your deal?
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Once again you are diverting from my original comment, which verizon has nothing to do with if a phone can be used on verzion, or "white listed" as you put it. For your information there's been Samsung models that would work on Verizon from Sprint but they wouldn't get the correct lte signals...
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Once again you are diverting from my original comment, which verizon has nothing to do with if a phone can be used on verzion, or "white listed" as you put it. For your information there's been Samsung models that would work on Verizon from Sprint but they wouldn't get the correct lte signals...
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First: I never used the words "white listed" anywhere in my posts.
Second: if they don't get the correct LTE signals then they basically don't work, lets not beat around the bush with here. Ultimately, I get what you are saying but it doesn't really matter. Other than to create an argument where there definitely doesn't need to be one your response really has no meaning in this particular thread. There are NO unlocked CDMA versions of this phone that will work on ANY other carrier and Verizon at the same time. /thread.
Can anyone tell me what an equivalent HTC, Motorola or LG phone would be that is rootable?
*Must be rootable
*Must have an SD card slot
*Hopefully has dev support for custom ROMs but isn't totally necessary since with root I can use Xposed to make it look like I want
I mean seriously, Samsung isn't the only top-tier manufacturer, why are we all addicted to this anyway? It's a great phone, I'm sure - but isn't there ANY good alternative in you guy's opinion?
I might just bite the bullet and get the S7 and hope for root, but the loss of Viper4Android would be a killer.
As a former flashaholic I have decided as long as I am on Verizon I will have to live without root especially when I got my sony z3v. I am glad I did. Flashing and setting everything up took up so much time atleast once a day at most once a week. And heaven forbid there was an issue and I would have to restore or start over. I then got a Verizon z2 tablet again without root on lollipop. This is a great phone and a worthy upgrade from my z3v. I think the line between needing and wanting features or gimmicks is getting blured.
JediDru said:
As a former flashaholic I have decided as long as I am on Verizon I will have to live without root especially when I got my sony z3v. I am glad I did. Flashing and setting everything up took up so much time atleast once a day at most once a week. And heaven forbid there was an issue and I would have to restore or start over. I then got a Verizon z2 tablet again without root on lollipop. This is a great phone and a worthy upgrade from my z3v. I think the line between needing and wanting features or gimmicks is getting blured.
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Damnit, you're right and I know it, I'm just fighting it.
As a complete crackflasher since 2004, I've been around the block a few times - I suppose it's just habit to "require" root.
I think the hardest things about moving to a phone that has no root is no TiBU and no Viper. Seriously, how to people back up their data without TiBU? Of course I could manually back up all my apk's that didn't come from the Google Play Store, and I could manually back up all their \Android\Data folders, but that sucks. How is it in 2016 we have apps that require root and fewer and fewer phones that allow it?
Anyway, thank you for your perspective. I think I'll end up getting an S7 anyway and if it gains root someday it's a bonus!
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I just paid $130 for this phone with Cricket less than a month ago. What timing. : (
I heard comments that Cricket somehow screwed up some core functionality on this phone, like the any orientation call thing. Is there a way to get this onto whatever the stock Alcatel firmware is, and not the Cricket version? I've seen mentions of rooting and unlocking the bootloader for TWRP, so I'm thinking there is a way to just get as close to stock as you can on this, but it being Cricket after all, and some poor experience with the Moto G on Cricket, I'm expecting they somehow locked down all versions.
JohnS85 said:
I heard comments that Cricket somehow screwed up some core functionality on this phone, like the any orientation call thing. Is there a way to get this onto whatever the stock Alcatel firmware is, and not the Cricket version? I've seen mentions of rooting and unlocking the bootloader for TWRP, so I'm thinking there is a way to just get as close to stock as you can on this, but it being Cricket after all, and some poor experience with the Moto G on Cricket, I'm expecting they somehow locked down all versions.
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I'm on stock the way if came from cricket. I'm happy with it for the most part. It does have a notification widget and setting for the reverse phone thing, but I've ever turned it on as I deem it useless to me. I want to be holding the phone in the correct orientation. The phone does have an issue where the screen is way over sensitive and thinks you want a "tap" when you really want to "slide", but I don't think that is crickets fault. I don't know that the phone is worth $130. The only thing it has over my LG G Stylo (on Boost Mobile) is 2GB RAM/16GB ROM vs. 1GB RAM/8 GB ROM (and higher MP camera on idol 3, but had Marshmallow on Stylo). I expected better response with the 2GB RAM over the 1GB, but there is lag and stutters on this phone and I can't figure out why that would be. You'd think 2GB RAM would be plenty for any phone. However, for $80, it is definitely worth it! I just wish I could have got mine for that much. Don't know if I'd buy another Alcatel phone. I never heard of that brand until I got this one. I always had good luck with the mid-range priced LG phones.
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I heard comments that Cricket somehow screwed up some core functionality on this phone, like the any orientation call thing. Is there a way to get this onto whatever the stock Alcatel firmware is, and not the Cricket version? I've seen mentions of rooting and unlocking the bootloader for TWRP, so I'm thinking there is a way to just get as close to stock as you can on this, but it being Cricket after all, and some poor experience with the Moto G on Cricket, I'm expecting they somehow locked down all versions.
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I had the cricket version for about 4 months before it was stolen. Just replaced it with the 6045I global unlocked from Amazon for $199.00, and I must say that having both, and having paid $109.99 for the cricket version, you get what you pay for most definitely applies here. The only similarly between the two is the poor RAM management, which Marshmallow should hopefully fix. Cricket rep said that the hardware, firmware, and software were cricket specific, hence the low price and missing features. The global unlocked version came with the pre-marshmallow firmware, and latest security update out of the box. 2 very different phones. The tap to sleep and wake works flawlessly, among many other things. Just waiting for the ota marshmallow before I unlock and root the new one. Was running slim on the cricket with pretty good results, but I don't think that you can make the cricket version totally like the international. Good luck!
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dongarritas said:
I had the cricket version for about 4 months before it was stolen. Just replaced it with the 6045I global unlocked from Amazon for $199.00, and I must say that having both, and having paid $109.99 for the cricket version, you get what you pay for most definitely applies here. The only similarly between the two is the poor RAM management, which Marshmallow should hopefully fix. Cricket rep said that the hardware, firmware, and software were cricket specific, hence the low price and missing features. The global unlocked version came with the pre-marshmallow firmware, and latest security update out of the box. 2 very different phones. The tap to sleep and wake works flawlessly, among many other things. Just waiting for the ota marshmallow before I unlock and root the new one. Was running slim on the cricket with pretty good results, but I don't think that you can make the cricket version totally like the international. Good luck!
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I'll have to disagree. Sure looks like the same hardware specs to me on the Alcatel site.
http://www.alcatelonetouch.us/alcatel-onetouch-idol-3-cricket
JohnS85 said:
I heard comments that Cricket somehow screwed up some core functionality on this phone, like the any orientation call thing. Is there a way to get this onto whatever the stock Alcatel firmware is, and not the Cricket version? I've seen mentions of rooting and unlocking the bootloader for TWRP, so I'm thinking there is a way to just get as close to stock as you can on this, but it being Cricket after all, and some poor experience with the Moto G on Cricket, I'm expecting they somehow locked down all versions.
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Yes they did the revisable calling doesn't work but when rooted and install the original Idol software it works fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3257511
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Well you certainly can disagree, but firmware will enable or disable hardware..... And I had the cricket version and now the international, and upside down calling is disabled on cricket, among other things.
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Well you certainly can disagree, but firmware will enable or disable hardware..... And I had the cricket version and now the international, and upside down calling is disabled on cricket, among other things.
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I don't much care about the reverse call thing. I would have it turned off if it did work. Useless for me as I want to be holding the phone in correct orientation - just my thing.
Do the Cricket issues go away if you unlock the phone?
I'm new to GSM - Can I take my Cricket SIM card and put it into any non-cricket GSM phone that Cricket supports and it will work?
I'd like to know the other things that don't work that the blame is attributed strictly to Cricket. (Maybe a year from now if I go to buy another phone I will better know what to look for - maybe buy an unlocked phone if it is not too much $ more. Probably not an Alcatel brand though.)
Thanks,
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I don't much care about the reverse call thing. I would have it turned off if it did work. Useless for me as I want to be holding the phone in correct orientation - just my thing.
Do the Cricket issues go away if you unlock the phone?
I'm new to GSM - Can I take my Cricket SIM card and put it into any non-cricket GSM phone that Cricket supports and it will work?
I'd like to know the other things that don't work that the blame is attributed strictly to Cricket. (Maybe a year from now if I go to buy another phone I will better know what to look for - maybe buy an unlocked phone if it is not too much $ more. Probably not an Alcatel brand though.)
Thanks,
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I've only had the unlocked international for 5 days, and I'm typing this from a hospital bed.... Just had surgery this morning. I will try to recall the differences : tap to wake and sleep works perfectly, it flies through boot(relatively speaking), the cricket version I would have to put in the freezer if I cleared caches and rebooted, it would get too hot to touch, random reboots even before rooting and on stock rooted, incompatible with apps and ROMS, and other stuff that I am probably forgetting. Unfortunately, cricket is cricket.... Unless you have an unlocked GSM device. My 6045I is using a cricket sim, and an AT&T apn. My speeds are not capped, and my data barely has moved. The international unlocked is $199 on amazon. Unlocking the cricket version to my knowledge will not change the basics of the firmware, but may allow you to flash different ROMS with different firmware if you use a different GSM sim. If the music isn't that important to you, the LG Stylo is a more solid device that has removable battery, better camera and screen, AND WAY better memory management. Just not cricket version. I have the T-Mobile version, and around here, neither they or Metro can keep them in Stock. Updated to Marshmallow immediately after powering on the first time. Good luck!
Is battery capacity only 2000 mAH ?
I bought this phone 2 days back fro Cricket.
I checked phones configuration everywhere and battery capacity on paper is shown to 2910 mAH. But when I used an app GO Battery Saver it shows real battery size is 2000 mAH. Can you guys check battery capacity for your phones. Is it 2910 or 2000 ??
Also double tap works for Cricket version too.
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Murf. said:
I just paid $130 for this phone with Cricket less than a month ago. What timing. : (
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Can you check battery capacity for you phone using GO battery saver app or some app which can check battery capacity in mAH. I bought from cricket and this app shows capacity to be 2000 mAH opposed to 2910 mAH as advertised.
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prashankmehta said:
I bought this phone 2 days back fro Cricket.
I checked phones configuration everywhere and battery capacity on paper is shown to 2910 mAH. But when I used an app GO Battery Saver it shows real battery size is 2000 mAH. Can you guys check battery capacity for your phones. Is it 2910 or 2000 ??
Also double tap works for Cricket version too.
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Can you check battery capacity for you phone using GO battery saver app or some app which can check battery capacity in mAH. I bought from cricket and this app shows capacity to be 2000 mAH opposed to 2910 mAH as advertised.
@dongarritas
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According to app AIDA64, report from android is 2000, and capacity from database is 2910 (!?!) on 6045I. My Cricket was stolen, but next time I am around a store, I will try to check out and post, if no one else has.I still get to bedtime with 4 hours plus SOT, AND 15-20 % battery, which is much better than Cricket. And that's pure stock. Not going to root or mod until after Marshmallow update.
Same result for cricket device.
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According to app AIDA64, report from android is 2000, and capacity from database is 2910 (!?!) on 6045I. My Cricket was stolen, but next time I am around a store, I will try to check out and post, if no one else has.I still get to bedtime with 4 hours plus SOT, AND 15-20 % battery, which is much better than Cricket. And that's pure stock. Not going to root or mod until after Marshmallow update.
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Same result for cricket device.
Does any one know why there is difference between report from android and database for battery capacity ?
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I bought this phone 2 days back fro Cricket.
Also double tap works for Cricket version too.
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The double-tap on my cricket works too. However, after I reboot the phone, the double-tap no longer works - even though it is still turned on in settings. So I have to turn it off/on to get it to start working again. I think I have read somewhere else that this is a common issue.
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The double-tap on my cricket works too. However, after I reboot the phone, the double-tap no longer works - even though it is still turned on in settings. So I have to turn it off/on to get it to start working again. I think I have read somewhere else that this is a common issue.
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Anything on battery capacity ? Did u got chance to validate that ?
anybody know what is the provider ID for this phone from Cricket Wireless?
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I had the cricket version for about 4 months before it was stolen. Just replaced it with the 6045I global unlocked from Amazon for $199.00, and I must say that having both, and having paid $109.99 for the cricket version, you get what you pay for most definitely applies here. The only similarly between the two is the poor RAM management, which Marshmallow should hopefully fix. Cricket rep said that the hardware, firmware, and software were cricket specific, hence the low price and missing features. The global unlocked version came with the pre-marshmallow firmware, and latest security update out of the box. 2 very different phones. The tap to sleep and wake works flawlessly, among many other things. Just waiting for the ota marshmallow before I unlock and root the new one. Was running slim on the cricket with pretty good results, but I don't think that you can make the cricket version totally like the international. Good luck!
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The hardware is identical..just custom software mods.
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I don't much care about the reverse call thing. I would have it turned off if it did work. Useless for me as I want to be holding the phone in correct orientation - just my thing.
Do the Cricket issues go away if you unlock the phone?
I'm new to GSM - Can I take my Cricket SIM card and put it into any non-cricket GSM phone that Cricket supports and it will work?
I'd like to know the other things that don't work that the blame is attributed strictly to Cricket. (Maybe a year from now if I go to buy another phone I will better know what to look for - maybe buy an unlocked phone if it is not too much $ more. Probably not an Alcatel brand though.)
Thanks,
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One of the features that make this phone nice is it has microphones and speakers on EACH end which means having it "upside down" works the same as "normal" orientation. This becomes especially important in the car where you can drop the phone into a cup holder upside down and have the power cable connected at the "top" without having to worry about your plug getting mangled if it was sitting in normal fashion.
at this rate i think is better to stay on canadian xac and have faster updates
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at this rate i think is better to stay on canadian xac and have faster updates
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Samsung is always slow to put out updates. Carriers do it much faster.
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Thor2j said:
Samsung is always slow to put out updates. Carriers do it much faster.
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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so you would stay on canadian?
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Umm all updates come from samsung, carriers simply give the go ahead to release the update, everything is still downloaded from samsungs servers. So no att isn't hosting or sending you an update at all.
Samsung never seemed to pay much attention to the unlocked us phones before and it seems to be continuing now, canadian phones have been getting monthly updates since day one, although the monthly updates are a month behind google.
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As I said, Samsung is slow to put updates to their phones.
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unitz0mbie said:
so you would stay on canadian?
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Pretty much.
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As I said, Samsung is slow to put updates to their phones.
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Right, but then the second part that you said about carriers doing it quicker didn't make any sense.
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Pretty much.
Right, but then the second part that you said about carriers doing it quicker didn't make any sense.
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Carries put out the updates WAY faster, Samsung provides update to carriers, they tweak it and put it out. Takes Samsung forever. Everything I said was true, makes perfect sense.
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I have seen this lately with S8: For example T-Mobile USA, provides updates to fixes and some features about a week or so faster, but a 1 month behind on the security patch, than unlocked version. Then unlocked version a week or so later, gets next security patch and other fixes that T-Mobile released a little earlier. I also believe that if unlocked version is a little late, but it make contain a little more fixes/changes. It would be important to note when/if carriers will be faster on releasing new OS update, such as 7.1.1 or Android 8, which ever comes first for Samsung phone.
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Carries put out the updates WAY faster, Samsung provides update to carriers, they tweak it and put it out.
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No they don't, all the updates are hosted on samsung's servers, carriers don't push anything to your phone. Carriers don't do any tweaks, samsung does/builds everything for them based on their needs, carriers obviously test the build and some do it faster than others like tmobile but that's it. Reason the unlocked phones get updates late is because they're not a priority, they don't have a contract with a carrier to release updates so they take their time.
Do you really think samsungs allows carriers around the world to manually tweak its software? Carriers simply validate the firmware to make sure features like volte/wifi calling works fine, that's it.
You can download every carrier's firmware with that samfirm software, guess where it connects to? Samsung's servers.
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No they don't, all the updates are hosted on samsung's servers, carriers don't push anything to your phone. Carriers don't do any tweaks, samsung does/builds everything for them based on their needs, carriers obviously test the build and some do it faster than others like tmobile but that's it. Reason the unlocked phones get updates late is because they're not a priority, they don't have a contract with a carrier to release updates so they take their time.
Do you really think samsungs allows carriers around the world to manually tweak its software? Carriers simply validate the firmware to make sure features like volte/wifi calling works fine, that's it.
You can download every carrier's firmware with that samfirm software, guess where it connects to? Samsung's servers.
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U don't listen so I give up.
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IT'S TRUE!! For you lucky t-mobile customers rocking the Galaxy Note20 Ultra (SM-N986U) you now have this really kool feature on your handset, as this upgrade came included with your March Security Patch Update!
Tutorials | T-Mobile Support
CONGRATULATIONS!
For the factory unlocked users SM-N986U1 as me, we too can obtain these features our brethren received I suppose, if we're willing to flash the SM-N986U build, N986USQU2DUC8 using modded-odin 3.13.3b, all-the-while not forgetting to back-up everything we have as this task involves a data wipe in advance of a clean flash. Also, when dragging & dropping your files in preparation, remember to use CSC, instead of HOME CSC, for this task. Afterwards, we'll gain this upgraded feature due to the fact we temporarily but effectively morphed our devices into the carrier-bound equivalent or SM-N986U for all intents and purposes! We can always revert back to our "old selves" , as we haven't done anything permanent here!
When done properly, this task causes no harm to your handset, whatsoever. If you're inexperienced with flashing firmware utilizing Odin, get someone to assist you, and help
walk- you-through the steps.Don't go it alone if you're unsure. Help is on the way, just ask!
I'm putting this on my weekend to-do list, as it's unlikely this feature will find it's way to the unlocked variant, frequented by us "Rogue" wireless users! Sure, you'll pick-up a little carrier bloat, maybe a half-a-dozen apps in the switch, but that's it!? That's the only downside I see, in addition to the obvious time inconvenience a data-wipe always brings!
It's a bold move, but a smart one, for T-mobile! When you pair that one with their recent commitment to Google for integrating the Google Messages app into their (Android-based)) system app line-up for new device offerings. They recognize the value of the upgrade to RCS messaging and what comes with that, for existing and new tmobile customers alike.
Sure, It'd be easier if this e-sim/dual sim feature was included in the SM-N986U1 OTA March Security Patch Update for the unlocked users, but their heart is in the right place and always with their core users (SM-N986U) I suppose?
Safe Journeys, and everyone remember to stay covid-19 Safe!
(I'll check back in with this thread, afterwards)!
Hopefully esim will come to us unlocked folks...
Indeed...I wish tmobile would become inspired to share the love with us! It could happen down the road, I guess? It does explain somewhat why it took them so long to rollout the OTA's the past few months. We're on April already, and some of the carrier-bound folks were still on January until this release!
I converted my TMU Note 20 Ultra to eSIM and it works fine. I took out my old SIM as it is disabled by the conversion process. Don't have another SIM to test but it looks like you can use physical SIM in addition to eSIM. From what I can tell, you can add unlimited number of eSIM to it.
Correct. eSIM support is carrier dependent as well as device brand/model. The carrier support must come first then the carrier's devices will eventually get eSIM support. Verizon has a few devices that supports eSIM however most of their phones don't offer eSIM. However, Spectrum Mobile (uses Verizon network) doesn't support eSIM on any device at this time. So don't expect OTA's to include eSIM support until your specific carrier fully supports it. This is why the unlocked devices will likely not see eSIM support for a while; at least not until all U.S. carriers fully support it beyond iPhones.
Will I be able link my google voice number to eSim?
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I converted my TMU Note 20 Ultra to eSIM and it works fine. I took out my old SIM as it is disabled by the conversion process. Don't have another SIM to test but it looks like you can use physical SIM in addition to eSIM. From what I can tell, you can add unlimited number of eSIM to it.
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Do you still have 5G band, with that f'n kool "5G" icon in the upper right?!
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Will I be able link my google voice number to eSim?
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You should, so long as your provider is (like tx_dbs_tx mentioned) really 1 of 2 players in the game as of now, tmob or vzw.
cuibap1 said:
I converted my TMU Note 20 Ultra to eSIM and it works fine. I took out my old SIM as it is disabled by the conversion process. Don't have another SIM to test but it looks like you can use physical SIM in addition to eSIM. From what I can tell, you can add unlimited number of eSIM to it.
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Dude,
I got shut down...I tried to flash the SM-N986U f/ware but kept getting this new screen(to me) that was all about the bootloader and wasn't seeing much when trying to search it on the desktop. I was extremely wiped-out from the weekend but it ain't rocket science, how embarrassing! SMH
Anyone got a clue what screen in recovery I'm speaking of...your hooked up USB to desktop I was using patchd-modded ver. 3.14.1B or.3.14.3B newer than my usual 3.13.3B I used on my SM-N960UI n9u1 a few handsets back.
Anyway, tap to bootloader, then it kicks up this screen that asks boot to FRRP?(maybe) and also boot to QSSI?, Other choices were START(which just brings you back to the familiar recovery screen, POWER OFF, and I think that was it!! Odin was locked & loaded, was connected through a com port, etc, just wasn't able to get my handset to say "OK I'm ready Odin, HIT ME? So now,.I'm in worse shape, still on U1 f/ware and in the midst of re-adding in everything back on due to the data wipe (which I wont) cuz I'm hoping one of my trusted comrades is gonna "hook this ole' white boy up" and coach me on what I'm missing here with this "noob shi#" "beginners for sinners" embarrassing momentI had this early am?!smh Ive flashed so many times over on Discords SamCentral,.the one I'm banned from now for almost a yr.now(thanks Max W.) I had a how-to guide under pinned posts on flashing with Odin...I called it "birdman's How-To guide, to Flashing Successfully On Every Occasion."
An Easy, Step-by-step Guide To a Successful Flashing Session, Guaranteed to NOT land you in jail!! (right hand to God, on that one)!
Thanks for playing...if anyone can think of something I missed or what choice to make on that new bootloader Menu screen, hook me Up!
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evnStevn said:
Do you still have 5G band, with that f'n kool "5G" icon in the upper right?!
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Yes, 5G is still there. I don't see anything else different than the physical SIM.
I've got a T-Mobile SIM in a U1 Note 20 Ultra. The u1 is an international version, running a T-Mobile SIM & software.
After checking every day, I just got the Android 12 OTA on January 17. Easy update, all of my data and settings remain, and I got dual SIM, which I have been waiting for over seven months.
I know the U version has had the feature for a while, but I didn't. Happy finally.