Is there a difference in performance between the Amazon and Regular Editions?

Is there a difference in performance between the Amazon and Regular Editions? - Moto G4 Questions & Answers

Was wondering if there is a difference between both devices in performance because of the added ads on the lock screen and apps... I have the Amazon 32GB version and it runs great and love it... But every Performance gain is always appreciated especially when Android N releases for our phone....

Technically, the regular edition should perform better, since there are less apps running in the background and your phone won't be pre-cacheing Amazon apps in RAM. Unless you usually keep a bunch of apps running, it's probably not much of an impact.

Hardware wise however, there isn't a difference.

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Mass Placebo Effect on Lag

Seriously I have yet to experience any lag. I've heard much less on the subject for the 12 edition in the galaxy note than the new 14 edition of the note and I've used both daily for high intensity work applications. My 12 edition has been rooted deodexed debloated and is still way slower than my 14 edition unrooted stock. I have to say either xda has been hijacked by apple fans or those early reviews really put a bunch of people with a very critical outlook. Anyway I'm enjoying it......just my 37 dollars in change

jaztech said:
Seriously I have yet to experience any lag. I've heard much less on the subject for the 12 edition in the galaxy note than the new 14 edition of the note and I'very used both daily for high intensity work applications. My 12 edition has been rooted deodexed debloated and is still way slower than my 14 edition unrooted stock. I have to say either xda has been hijacked by apple fans or those early reviews really put a bunch of people with a very critical outlook. Anyway I'm enjoying it so that's all that matters to me....just my 37 dollars in change
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I think people may have been hypersensitive to lag after the first few main reviews seemed to focus on the lag in the My Magazine app and a few other samsung apps. I know I was looking for it right out of the box because of them. I don't see much at all and consider it a very fast tablet that will probably only get faster in time

atg284 said:
I think people may have been hypersensitive to lag after the first few main reviews seemed to focus on the lag in the My Magazine app and a few other samsung apps. I know I was looking for it right out of the box because of them. I don't see much at all and consider it a very fast tablet that will probably only get faster
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+1

OTA update may have also helped, it came out after reviews.

ddavtian said:
OTA update may have also helped, it came out after reviews.
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Ah yes that too...forgot about that!

What I didn't like about all reviews that complained about the lag was that they had no videos of it like they normally do in reviews, so I called BS from thr start. It felt like everyone just wanted to bash Samsung because they weren't Apple.

the 2012 edition had lots of reviews with lag. i believe the verge caught hell because they wined about the lag but had battery saving turned on. the defended themselves and said the lag was still there after turning it off.
there is real lag in the device, especially in heavy graphic websites. but since this lag/stutter seems to be there in every android device i've had i'd say it's an android thing instead of device specific - i'm at 21 android tablets owned at one time or another. it's on phones too, even on the snapdragon s4 but phones are so small that the stutters and imperfections are reduced to the point they're not as noticeable.
one thing i noticed yesterday is that holding the tablet vertically (portrait) induced less lag in reading the desktop version of theoldreader than holding it landscape. i'm sure there was another tablet that was under fire for not using the gpu equally in vertical and horizontal orientation.
also, i'm still on the shipped rom as i haven't taken the update yet, so some of my issues may be fixed after the update.

It appears to be one app causing the lag and not the UI or anywhere else. Some of the reviews even point out it is probably a problem with the third party app. Some kind of photo album app?
As far as the device IMO:
1. Priced $50 too high for both verisons. Seems that should have been prices for a 32/64 gb model.
2. Why no 3.0 USB? This must be produced in a different place, else would have had same connector as the Note 3.
3. Should have had a a little bigger battery.
4. Even though no 3.0, NICE there is a standard usb rather than special connector- I hate those.
5. Too much bloat (as usual)
6. Why no HDMI out??
I was going to get the Asus 701, but I know it will have a special connector and apparently will be different than the 700 version. I will probably wait for the 32GB Samsung 2014 version to be at a lower price during some kind of sale, or whatever. My Nook HD+ will cover my Android needs for now. I also have an iPad 4 that covers commercial gaming. HD+ is for comics, video and emulators.

¿Why ios on (5s) is smoother and faster than android on my s4 wich has better hw?

So if Ios Iphone 5s has a dual core a7 proccesor , and the i9500 has a quad cores proccessors at higger frecuency , also more Ram .
why iphone is still faster and smoother opening apps, movies, and basically lagless on UI experience?
i don't get it . if i have stronger hardware my phone should be faster than a crappy dual core

The thread priority is different on iOS. UI is first priority and therefore if you touch the screen , app download, install or loading of Web pages will temporally freeze until you lift your finger off the screen (Tested on my iPad). and therefore the device's full processing power is targeted towards ui rendering instead unlike android which would let all of those processes run at the same time.
iOS only releases for a couple of devices ONLY running similar hardware. although android is generally optimised for snapdragon based SOCs since 2.2 with the just - in time compiler, Google cannot optimised android just for this particular chip because it will break compatibility with other ARM or x84 based SOCs. With the being said, it runs on rather generic drivers and apps are coded for that so it android has weaker software/hardware integration which leads to inefficiencies such as using more CPU cycles to processing zillion more code to ensure compadibility and therefore also consumes more ram.
finally I think apps running on a java emulator also has a negative affect on stutter, load times and to some extent lag we see on apps containing a lot of information. Hopefully 4.4 kitkat with android ART will resolve this (only works on snapdragon as of now)
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leboreiro said:
So if Ios Iphone 5s has a dual core a7 proccesor , and the i9500 has a quad cores proccessors at higger frecuency , also more Ram .
why iphone is still faster and smoother opening apps, movies, and basically lagless on UI experience?
i don't get it . if i have stronger hardware my phone should be faster than a crappy dual core
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I am not technical enough to know a whole lot about iPhone/IOS and so on, but I can give you an
example so you will better understand why iPhone 5 seems to be so much faster and snappier than
any android phones are at the present time.
iPhone 5 does not have hundreds of different theming options or settings to change what the default
screens look like, IOS does not have launchers which also has hundreds of settings for all the themes,
icons, backgrounds, colors and widgets to change and to choose from.
If our SGS4 phones did not have all those features, options and user selectable modifications in it then
our S4 phones would be just as fast and snappy as the IOS iPhone 5.
We have a lot more over-head with all these basically "eye candy" user selectable features and options
in themes, icons, colors and even sizes when we navigate through are phone's screens & opening/closing
apps so naturally it will be noticeably slower and less responsive in almost all aspects.
The differences between iphone 5's and android's processor's speeds are insignificant as far as which phone
is faster and snappier when going thru the screens, opening or closing apps and doing most anything else
while using the two phones because one has a lot of over-head and the other hardly has any at all.
Here is an example, take two healthy men who are both equal in age, weight and height then
strap a 20 pound bag of potatoes on one of the men's backs and see which one can run faster,
run further, jump higher and do more push-ups.. LOL
Wish I could think of a better example but I can't!

MrAndroid12 said:
The thread priority is different on iOS. UI is first priority and therefore if you touch the screen , app download, install or loading of Web pages will temporally freeze until you lift your finger off the screen (Tested on my iPad). and therefore the device's full processing power is targeted towards ui rendering instead unlike android which would let all of those processes run at the same time.
iOS only releases for a couple of devices ONLY running similar hardware. although android is generally optimised for snapdragon based SOCs since 2.2 with the just - in time compiler, Google cannot optimised android just for this particular chip because it will break compatibility with other ARM or x84 based SOCs. With the being said, it runs on rather generic drivers and apps are coded for that so it android has weaker software/hardware integration which leads to inefficiencies such as using more CPU cycles to processing zillion more code to ensure compadibility and therefore also consumes more ram.
finally I think apps running on a java emulator also has a negative affect on stutter, load times and to some extent lag we see on apps containing a lot of information. Hopefully 4.4 kitkat with android ART will resolve this (only works on snapdragon as of now)
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Misterjunky said:
I am not technical enough to know a whole lot about iPhone/IOS and so on, but I can give you an
example so you will better understand why iPhone 5 seems to be so much faster and snappier than
any android phones are at the present time.
iPhone 5 does not have hundreds of different theming options or settings to change what the default
screens look like, IOS does not have launchers which also has hundreds of settings for all the themes,
icons, backgrounds, colors and widgets to change and to choose from.
If our SGS4 phones did not have all those features, options and user selectable modifications in it then
our S4 phones would be just as fast and snappy as the IOS iPhone 5.
We have a lot more over-head with all these basically "eye candy" user selectable features and options
in themes, icons, colors and even sizes when we navigate through are phone's screens & opening/closing
apps so naturally it will be noticeably slower and less responsive in almost all aspects.
The differences between iphone 5's and android's processor's speeds are insignificant as far as which phone
is faster and snappier when going thru the screens, opening or closing apps and doing most anything else
while using the two phones because one has a lot of over-head and the other hardly has any at all.
Here is an example, take two healthy men who are both equal in age, weight and height then
strap a 20 pound bag of potatoes on one of the men's backs and see which one can run faster,
run further, jump higher and do more push-ups.. LOL
Wish I could think of a better example but I can't!
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Im so Agree with both of you guys. They way you explained it is just perfect. I wasn't seeing the otherside of the quarter.
This means and will lead me to buy a snapdragon phone next time. Seems like snapdragon variants of S4's are basically smoother or will be when 4.4 is finally out. although ive seen on youtube that there is not too much differences (talking about UI experience) beetween 9505 and 9500 .. but prolly will on the next samsung galaxy s5 .. so snapdragon for the next time instead of exynos.
thankyou so much guys , i will share this thread to whoever has the same question.

I never heard of iOS virus !
Must tell iOS really a neat operation system specially a jailbroken one
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Moto S

Check this out
http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/n...-with-snapdragon-810-4gb-of-ram-report-629471
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It just seems like your average rumors article with no source.
If it is true, then it'll definitely outclass the Nexus 6. But as of now, we don't have any compelling evidence.

Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.

Sounds similar to the Z4, G4, M9 rumors for 2915!

So... In 6 months (optimistically) there will be a snapdragon 810 version of the nexus with a slightly bigger battery... Cool. This isn't really surprising. Generally phones only stay bleeding edge for about 6 months anyway. Might consider grabbing this in a year (or see what the note 5 and new nexus look like).

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Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.
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Actually not really.... We get big bumps every 18-24 months and everything in between is incremental..... Consider the Note 3 to Note 4....thats not a very significant upgrade at all in terms on the SoC. Ticks and tocks. The 805 was a tick compared to the 800/802. The 810 will be a tock.

4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?

Evo_Shift said:
4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?
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tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.

This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.

this doesn't change much for VZW users depending if the bootloader is locked or not.

md1008 said:
This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.
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Hah. I was a GS3 early adopter that pre-ordered mine. I called the advantage of the 2Gb of ram over the faster SoC all the way back then but all the kids could do was post benchmark scores that "clearly made their device better"..... Lol now both are comparatively slow but only one has enough memory to actually be viable.

4GB ram vs 3GB is much less of an impact than when we were going from 1GB to 2GB. The money could be better spent on a variety of other things for a phone being released next year.

Tripsyk said:
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.
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Most users will not see much benefit in using more than 3-4gb. Manufacturers include the additional hardware because they realize the average consumer is ill informed and will purchase bases on emotion. Even I child can will tell you that 12gb is better than 8gb. I think same applies to phones. Only phone that is justified in adding more than 2gb is the Note. In every other case, the manufacturer is just playing on consumer ignorance and impulse.

So do we have any legit info on this?

3GB Ram Enough?

I am considering moving from Note 4 to one of these. I think one of my bites into performance (particulary multitasking performance) is the 3GB of RAM.
Of course, this won't have all the bloatware as the Note, but then I have a lot of it 'disabled' anyway.
I'm assuming a lot here are Moto experienced, so thought I'd ask. Do you think 3GB would be enough? I have ~ 150 apps on my phone. Don't use for gaming. But on the road, I might have a car mode app running, GPS Navigation; Music streaming all simultaneously.

It'll be more than enough.

The Note 4 also has 3GB of Ram, so as far as memory goes, the Moto X should be "faster" since it also has less bloatware and a newer/better processor. Whether or not this will be true in reality is unknown, but all the evidence is pointing toward the Moto X Style thus far.

Wish it had 24 gigs @3600 Hz. With 1,000,000 mah ion battery. And 4k 3840 x 2160p full-array LED backlight. 24x camera zoom. Also SSD of 1 TB. Night vision aperture. And face and hand reader. Only be the size of 4.2" and weigh lighter than a piece of paper. So no 3 gigs is not enough.

It's all depends on how much the startup steals, i just read that the Note 5 is using over 2 GB just to get TW up and running.
So, in Motorolas case, its all good but not in Sammys

I think 3G should enough if you don't run any Samsung apps on it.

Yeah Samsung and their touchwiz is crap. One of the main reasons I am leaving Samsung and buying a Moto X.
3GB of RAM is plenty if you ask me. Its all about how well Motorola optimise it and I'm sure they will manage nicely.
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I'm sure 3gb will be enough for the moto x, it shouldn't have any bloat on it. My verizon S5 has a bunch of carrier bloat on it and only 2gb of ram and I can make it stall pretty hard just using the browser and streaming pandora.

5.1.1 fixes several of memory leaks that have been plaguing the android phones since kitkat (or even before) and early 5.0. So, Note4 is suffering from those bugs as well.
So, with 3GB of memory on X you should get an experience which is similar to 6GB on Note4 (if it had 6GB) which I presume does not run 5.1 yet. Accounting for the bloat that Samsung apps introduce.
I am running CM12.1 with 5.1.1 on Moto G (2014) and its much better than kitkat or 5.0 lollipop experience I had. It feels a whole different phone altogether.

Why wouldn't it be enough?
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barondebxl said:
Why wouldn't it be enough?
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Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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barondebxl said:
Why wouldn't it be enough?
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For the reason I stated in the quesiton...running lots of apps.
Geordie Affy said:
Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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Actually, if I were able to root (I'm on AT&T, and unfortunately cannot), I could run an app that determines what loads when. But without that, it loads all kinds of apps even though I'm not using them. (Maybe I'm the only one, but I consider that a poor design/implementation of software management by Android). Add all those to the bloat, it does get laggy...especially if multitasking.
Generally using, it performs great. But just as one example of multitasking where I notice it very laggy: Going for a walk, tracking with MyTracks; playing music via BT headset; receive message...opening message very slow.
Having been a Samsung addict for a long time, I haven't experienced non-Samsung. So, wasn't sure about others. I always read users disparage of Samsung and it's software, but as noted I've always been able to get past that due to rooting, etc. But not any more.
So, I"m ready to move away from Samsung...but then feel I should get the most I can get. Don't want to move away to then be disappointed.
I"m pretty much convinced that 3GB will be fine...for now. But as time goes on, more and more useful apps will be coming out. I feel that 4GB will give me a certain amount of longer time to be able to stick with the phone, whichever one I get.

iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-

@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.

barondebxl said:
@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.
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All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.

berezker said:
iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-
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Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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ewingr said:
All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.
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Don't be afraid, man. When my nexus 4 was still alive I could throw anything at it, and it would never lag or eat up more than 1.3 GBs of RAM. And that was a 2012 phone.
Samsung just can't keep up with its own software, so they sell you their top of the line hardware, at high prices, to compensate for their inability to optimise. Moto and nexus are just a completely different world

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Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!

oneandroidnut said:
to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!
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Don't really agree that iOS has better code than android. A lot of apps now have moved over to using something like apache cordova / nativescript and write one app (in JavaScriptl) which is then able to run on each platform. However, Apple has a better vetting process so in general, I've seen apps that have memory leak issues or are just plain bad when it comes to memory be not allowed to the store. Google's vetting process isn't as strict AFAIK - could be wrong - so there's that element to it.

So my status now is that I ordered T-Mobile Note 4 that I can root and rom. I'll try a less bloated ROM and see how it goes. That'll give time to get the new Moto Pure in, and Nexus phones in , and see how the reviews go. Maybe I'll be happy with the rooted Note 4.

Considering the axon 7 and the Mi A1, best choice?

I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?

noremacyug said:
I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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Software is better on the mi a1 and battery is significantly better too. Everyrthing else is better on the axon 7, I've used both.

Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.

noremacyug said:
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Well, we get Oreo LinageOS and Stock soon. No Treble or 4.4 Kernel but the Snapdragon 820 and the 4GB RAM (or even more) plus the fast Storage are still great performing. The A1 is mid-range. I would still buy the Axon 7 (Advanced with force Touch/3D Touch) 6Gb RAM and speedy 128Gb Internal + SD Slot and Multi-Sim + USB 3 which is blazing fast If your PC has USB 3 too.
This Phone is just amazing and i really dont need anything else yet (Maybe a Pixel 2 XL but the Prices...). Hope that helped a Bit
Oh and the Display... 1440p Daydream capable AMOLED goodness just like in a Pixel 2 XL (With even higher ppi). Still high-end

noremacyug said:
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.

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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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Well Said!

noremacyug said:
My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
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Will you open a bunch of apps on your daily usage and need them all open at once? I believe there are ways to lock apps and keep them loaded on RAM, but I still don't believe it is useful to have many apps loaded at once...
Take battery life for example. Having a bunch of apps loaded, many running in the background, will definitely consume more battery. That's where iOS excels, since the apps actually get stored on the sdcard instead of being kept on RAM. So they are basically frozen until you open them again. and that's why Apple phones have so little RAM, they just don't need it.
I use about 4 apps at the same time at most, and even if one of them is a game, the others won't necessarily close
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P.S. I just saw the video and realized that the Mi A1 has a 1080p LCD... It's no contest. The Axon 7 destroys it in audio, display, and I don't know about speed, haven't seen yet.
No amount of bias changes this. unless you're really interested in treble
Edit: I saw the whole video and the performamce difference is also pretty noticeable. I say you're much better off with the Axon 7. Especially if you find an Enhanced.

Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?

noremacyug said:
Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.

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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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Yup, brain fart, 2k.
Good deal on the ram options. I was leaning pretty hard toward the axon to begin with, simply from a hardware standpoint. It appears to be pretty close to the abilities of my iPhone 6s+....at least according benchmarks.
Off to eBay to score one. Thanks guys/gals.

The closing games is more than likely from the power management settings. The Axon is a beastly bargain!

Glad to hear. Already pulled the trigger on one I found on swappa. ??

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