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when i listen music for about 30 mins + and running some programs such as adobe reader or opera, i can feel a warm in my hands from the battery. actually its more like to be said a relatively high heat felt by my hands !?
is this high battery heat normal? i mean for an everyday usage.
tnx in advance
Note: i did search but didnt find anything about LEO battery heating.
The battery can sometimes get quite warm, but it should never be hot. If it heats up to much you should probably get it looked at.
The battery in the HD was a lot worse than this. I think there may have been some issues, but HTC have worked on it. Thankfully, I don't know of any HTC phones exploding anywhere yet! lol
mine gets hot as well some times especially when I use igo in my car and charge the phone at the same time but also when playing a game etc.. but I read in the manual that this is normal... although I believe heat to an extent that can burn your hand its not normal.... mine never got that hold
just my 2 cents
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...... i can feel a warm feeling when I have it in my hands.......
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Hello,
If you are using something like Opera, coupled with a number of applications that are cpu intensive, then you are going to get high battery drain which equals high heat output. Some of the heat will be coming off the cpu as well but the end result is the same.
The problem is worse if you are using wifi and/or gprs and you are in a low signal area, which means that the device and the battery need to work even harder to serve your needs.
If this happens again then check your location relative to wifi and gprs and/or reduce the number of intensive applications you have running at the same time.
If this fails then you may have a fault; however I think one or all of the factors mentioned above are linked to your issue.
WB
ok tnx for replay guys...i accept this as normal situation, and yes i definety like to use igo8...and really its soo nice to have pda such LEO that can easily open and run several such programs!
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/10-minutes-of-flash-player-10-1-on-a-nexus-one-20100222/
Absolutely kills the battery within 4 minutes the Battery was Depleted from Half to red line......I just knew everytime I saw flash 10.1 running on droid or nexus that the battery Icon was always empty, I wasnt too hard on the Reviewers, since I simply thought that they was using the phone all day and forget to charge it, (Benefit of the doubt) , Now this categorically proves my deep suspicions, Even though the gpu is utilised to do the hardware acceleration its still a power hog, Steve Jobs was bang on!!!, and I never owned an Iphone and was planning to get the nexus one!!!! flash 10.1 has huge power envelope problem..PERIOD, thats why they will not release it till later on 3rd quarter it needs alot of work
Half way
Even though it displays what looks like half charge, its in fact lower. Your conclusion is wrong, as the point the indicator turns red is set to just below that half full indicator.
A true test will be to read actual battery levels while playing a video or heavy animation.
I look forward to seeing real power consumption tests, like viewing a youtube video via flash vs a stand alone video player or web browser via Ogg Theora.
Power consumption will vary with the app and video quality as well, so theres a lot more to it than stating Flash his a power hog.
PS: If you believe what you wrote, by an iPhone instead of a Nexus One.
There are also cuts in the video, so the recording session itself could have been quite a bit more than 4 minutes.
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Even though it displays what looks like half charge, its in fact lower. Your conclusion is wrong, as the point the indicator turns red is set to just below that half full indicator.
A true test will be to read actual battery levels while playing a video or heavy animation.
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There are also cuts in the video, so the recording session itself could have been quite a bit more than 4 minutes.
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Hey now, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
As any N1 user knows the battery graphic doesn't display battery consumption like you're used to with Windows Mobile where looking at the graphic gave you a quick and accurate representation of how much battery is left.
Although I would be interested is seeing how one would actually drain half of the battery in 4 minutes - that would be quite a feat. (For reference when I tried to kill the battery some time ago it took over 2 hours to drain 60% steaming a 3Gb download on wifi, on an endless call on speakerphone while steaming music and playing full volume via slacker radio).
I love the nexus one and wouldnt buy the iphone, Why show a a battery indicator that doesn't show true usage quantitatively, no logic, I am looking at the concurrent time by the clock, not the cut in the scene, unless they have a a wormhole nearby, If your assumption is correct then my suspicion are put to rest but every single time i see flash 10.1 running hardware accelerated flash, the battery is nearly DEAD!, please convince me otherwise,(please) maybe I am overly paranoid about battery life, They do need to try a Test with full battery power, I agree on that logic.
Also would bad coding of java sites eat code, memory management for example, i am not here to disprove any of you but, I want my phone to last more than ten minutes on a flash site........if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
I have a feeling we are all in for a big treat when Flash arrives.
Lets talk embedded video. For that, flash is just a container stream for the video payload. The codec on your phone/computer does all the work. If the N1 can play 2hrs of AVI's or Mpegs, then so it will be for YouTube as well. I look forward to being able to watch embedded videos.
Even if it sucks the battery dry, I rather have it when needed than not at all.
I want to make the choice and not let some crack pot CEO make it for me.
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if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
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I understand your point, but I wouldn't loose sleep until we are all flubbing around with dead batteries
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I love the nexus one and wouldnt buy the iphone, Why show a a battery indicator that doesn't show true usage quantitatively, no logic, I am looking at the concurrent time by the clock, not the cut in the scene, unless they have a a wormhole nearby, If your assumption is correct then my suspicion are put to rest but every single time i see flash 10.1 running hardware accelerated flash, the battery is nearly DEAD!, please convince me otherwise,(please) maybe I am overly paranoid about battery life, They do need to try a Test with full battery power, I agree on that logic.
Also would bad coding of java sites eat code, memory management for example, i am not here to disprove any of you but, I want my phone to last more than ten minutes on a flash site........if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
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The battery icon is really poor IMO at showing actual usage. Perhaps they designed it that way on purpose, but having used WM for the last 3 years it doesn't appear to give me a useful representation of the battery life remaining or used. A shortcut to battery info is needed to be sure for me.
The clock in the scenes runs from 3:59 until well after it ticks to 4:05 (when the battery turns orange). The vid then runs to 4:07 another 2+ minutes until the video ends where the clock doesn't appear again. So we're looking at around 10 minutes of flash usage and around 6 from when it's the last tick of green it appears until it hits orange. Unfortunately there's no real quantitative values to show how much battery was used.
Poor coding of flash site themselves shouldn't be huge unless they are registering a boat load of events and doing a lot of processing on those - not to the extent that it mauls battery life at least. The N1 has enough memory free - with a highmem kernel - that i can't see these sites really causing a lot of pages to have to be swapped or memory freed as a result of loading the page, although it's possible. But this isn't something that's going to kill a battery in 10 minutes.
I'd say reserve judgement until there's a real 10.1 out there we can test and get some quantitative results. I don't think Adobe would be pushing a product to market that essentially would kill the phone within a 10-20 minute time frame, that would just make them look bad and piss people off.
My guess is Apple's big beef with flash is that they would lose control of content on the phones themselves (games and apps) as a flash portal would then allow anyone to circumvent their approval process and app control rather than power consumption.
Unless Adobe is doing things in a highly inefficient manner then they aren't going to be doing more GPU operations than any other graphically intensive game - there will be some CPU overhead associated with flash and the on the fly translations it has to do, but as long as this is optimized for a mobile device you shouldn't see a massive drain compared to other "heavy" games.
Oh wow....
Flash 10.1 looks SO much better then I thought it would... simply amazing...
Craving for the update...
(oh, and about the TC's silly battery comment - the battery only went down a single 'step' in the video, for all we know, it could have gone down from 31% to 30% during all that time).
first, i would rather have the opportunity to use flash than NOT have it. even if it drained my battery. and second, we are talking about a product that is not coming for quite some time so maybe we should withold our opinions till then. that nexus three really sux by the way.....
Even if OP wasnt clueless and this was true.
I dont think people are getting the point. Once flash is widely available on Android it ownt be about viewing current content. Itll be about how great Flash will be when optimized for mobile platform. Just like many websites immediately started having PSP/Ipod freindly videos so will sites start offering mobile freindly Flash.
The games and videos will be much more fluid on it than anything you can pluck now.
Man that looks awesome....
Wow, surprisingly smooth! specially the video, as it's from a site obviously not optimized for mobile phones.
Doesn't the desire have this version of flash? I thought modaco had a desire rom for the nexus in the xda dev section...
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Doesn't the desire have this version of flash? I thought modaco had a desire rom for the nexus in the xda dev section...
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nah, they have flash lite , it is an early built. flash 10.1 is not yet on our hands
yea this looks SICK cant wait
I'm sorry but there is no possible way without making your phone a frying pan to drain the nexus battery in 4 minutes even from half drain...
I mean anyone with basic electrical knowledge knows the by product of power comsumption is heat no matter what we do. If Flash was to drain a battery in 4 minutes, you wouldn't barely be able to touch the phone from the amount of heat produced.
That being said I still think flash is a power hog, but that's why they keep refining it for mobile devices.
-Charlie
dahui9 said:
I'm sorry but there is no possible way without making your phone a frying pan to drain the nexus battery in 4 minutes even from half drain...
I mean anyone with basic electrical knowledge knows the by product of power comsumption is heat no matter what we do. If Flash was to drain a battery in 4 minutes, you wouldn't barely be able to touch the phone from the amount of heat produced.
That being said I still think flash is a power hog, but that's why they keep refining it for mobile devices.
-Charlie
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agreed, you would have to be sucking down 10,800MAH's to drain half of the N1's battery in 4 minutes.
and at that kind of discharge rate would just about instantly destroy the battery.
wow, that´s a nice vid...very promising!..just this and FM radio and my Nex1 is perfect
I hope people realize, that the Flash is just a container for the .mp4 or whatever file that happens to be uploaded, into the Flash container...
So the battery life you get out of watching videos on a nexus one, or iphone, or etc. is the same battery life you would get out of watching videos. However it just so happens that to watch a youtube video you would also be chewing through 3G data and that would kill battery a bit quicker.
But not in 4 minutes.
Hey people,hows it going?
I have decided to create this thread to help people who arent very happy with their battery life pre/after the 2.1 update.
Aighty guys lets see : The improvements in 2.1 are VERY awesome if you combine it with things to make it total ownage.
Battery Life : Mine lasts 12h with very heavy usage, without usage it can last more than 48h...
Updated since sunday night so i got more than enough experience with it.
If you got bad battery life you can do followings :
1)Root + SetCPU : Lower the "Minimum" quantity so the CPU would idle very lowly and so you get more battery life ,i reccomend getting 245 there (This phase can be dangerous,if you dont know what you're doing ,skip this one)
2)Use Task Manager Pro : Shut down apps that eat the RAM, those who say "unused ram is wasted" , imo thats false as if you got more ram free : More battery life,better phone usage,less lags,and more space in case updates of twitter/fb etc come on ,i usually got around 105mb free always left (Excluded updates for social's & news & weather,live wall,android apps and stuff that i really need)
3)Still not fixed? Get a Battery-life-saver launcher and replace the Home one,as SE didnt work 2.1's home to good so its laggy and battery-eater.
4)Widgets?Have you got loads of news/updates widgets or apps? Try to lower the "Update rate", facebook updates as default each 5 mins,set it to around 2h or so,you dont need less than that.
5)Still pittyful? Check how much you use it, if i use my phone alot i get maybe less than 12h of battery life, but if you use it just the necesary trust me,you can get up to 3 days straight.
Battery life also depends on how much you use it.
5.1)Games specially can use loads of battery,so if you get a use of about 25% in 1 hour,thats very good battery life,so its normal.
5.2)Temperatures in battery can also go upper as you use it ,cause apps and your hand behind the phone cause heat,so you're alright if temp go up to 45ºC,which would be the safe limits. I would panic if it went up to 50ºC.
6)If you have just updated to 2.1 leave it a few days,it is quite bad at first as the system needs to update all its settings ,all its new stuff,just like when you install a new OS on a computer,it needs to "Start windows for the first time".
7)If its still very bad,then your battery might be damaged,get a new one and remember that the first 2-3 charges to take at least 8h,to make sure its lifespan is gonna be high.
In conclusion : Dont just say "My battery life sucks now", Battery depends on how much you use the phone,on how much your apps/timescape/mediascape/Social feeds/News feeds use your phone as much as gps/wifi/bluetooth of it.
Check everything you can,do everything i said and then see if ur battery is damaged or not,cause the 2.1 system didnt do worse,it actually did better than 1.6 after its perfectly settled.
Hope this helps out,take care ^
Regards
very good writeup, which launcher do you recommend?
in regards to this i believe you but it's just not happening to me
please suggest something.
my battery is awesome on standby....but as soon as i turn screen on and play for eg angry birds for 1hr it drops approx 25%. is that how it should be?
no wifi bluetooth gps etc. live wallpaper is there but i also try w/o live wallpaper. i use task killer and kill off unnecessary things
the only thing i haven't done is root and reduce cpu speed because the phone should work quite well w/o me having to do that.
My temp goes up to 43 at times. is that normal?
what am i doing wrong?
thran8 said:
very good writeup, which launcher do you recommend?
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So far , LauncherPro did a very good job for me,there are loads of stuff you can tweak there like even from 3 to 7 homescreens, as you wish,the less the more battery so,depends on which you wish,you can select.
Also Helix Launcher is very famous for beeing able to save battery alot, tho it hasnt got so many options like LauncherPro.
If its very good battery life your searching : Helix Launcher
If you're looking for a good balanced launcher : LauncherPro
Goodluck.
law910 said:
in regards to this i believe you but it's just not happening to me
please suggest something.
my battery is awesome on standby....but as soon as i turn screen on and play for eg angry birds for 1hr it drops approx 25%. is that how it should be?
no wifi bluetooth gps etc. live wallpaper is there but i also try w/o live wallpaper. i use task killer and kill off unnecessary things
the only thing i haven't done is root and reduce cpu speed because the phone should work quite well w/o me having to do that.
what am i doing wrong?
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25% in a hour after playing? Yes that is normal as games stress the CPU and screen brightness to max, so yes after gaming the battery does suffer a bit.
Nah if you dont want dont reduce cpu min speed.
Imo ,charge the phone completely , then right after charging , play Angry birds for 1h again and check battery. Sometimes the battery discharges faster than other times (Depends on the charge of it, if its @ 95% it will go down alot faster,unlike if its at 30%,it will go down slower. Its just a battery theory that is accurate most of the time)
So check from what % you started playing to what % you've stopped playing.
Tell me the results then.
And then i repeat,make sure you reduce facebook/twitter/email "update rate".
(More time(once in 2h not in each 5 mins) = Better cause it will access the internet less so more battery)
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2)Use Task Manager Pro : Shut down apps that eat the RAM, those who say "unused ram is wasted" , imo thats false as if you got more ram free : More battery life,better phone usage,less lags,and more space in case updates of twitter/fb etc come on ,i usually got around 105mb free always left (Excluded updates for social's & news & weather,live wall,android apps and stuff that i really need)
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I used to support it, till I opened my mind to those theories, so now I argued. With many reading and my own experiment, I would still argue that droid are doing best it could.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777034
With my summary, without ATK could result in even better battery life.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678205&page=10
Some technical statement about android memory.
HOWEVER,
To correct your statement, it's TRUE that leaving more processes behind could result in significant drain of battery, but this is due to CPU usage, not RAM.
So yes, Leaving some process which draining CPU power behind could give much worse battery life.
So IMO, it more depends on your background process, but I would say that in most situation, just leave the droid do its job
7)If its still very bad,then your battery might be damaged,get a new one and remember that the first 2-3 charges to take at least 8h,to make sure its lifespan is gonna be high.
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You don't need that any longer. But it's true that the lifespan could be 'higher' after a few usage, but this is due to 'calibration', not the performance of the battery itself.
Imagine
real battery is 10%, android report 3%
real battery is 90%, android report 100%
so you are using only 10% to 90%, that considered 20% lose.
Li-po batteries ain't meant to be drain to the last, if you do thy won't last and you soon be needing to replace your battery, I would think that it is programmed to monitor the usage to not do that but the battery % that you see is not actually whats left on the battery itself.
I was reading a pdf ebook and the battery dropped around 35% in 2 hours :S
I'm running the battery test in the service menu at the moment to see if my battery is faulty.
I don't use a manager - i don't use setCpu and I can easily get 24 hours + since 2.1
I'm just saying .
I stream music from di.fm using wifi 8h/day.
My phone lasts about 4h so, i have to charge it 3 times/day
Now, i want to see tips how to improve this
Herr Noobien said:
I was reading a pdf ebook and the battery dropped around 35% in 2 hours :S
I'm running the battery test in the service menu at the moment to see if my battery is faulty.
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good idea never knew battery test existed in the service menu =]
shall try it tonight
just have a look on the attached photo , i took the photo when the indicator was 15% , still i can ran the phone for another 2 or 3 hours .
I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that the display chews through more battery than before.
Could be that I'm playing games too much but I don't think so. I seem to get the same battery life on idle, but as soon as I do anything (esp. games or talking) the battery just seems to nosedive. Never noticed this before (I used to get two-three days depending on the usage now I'm down to a day or two).
I'm gonna try and do some tests over the next while (starting with flashing back to 1.6 and retesting that properly).
tipically, display (screen) accounts for 2/3s of the total battery usage
check the battery usage app (settings -> battery), you'll be amazed
then make a simple test:
reduce brightness by half and your battery will last A LOT longer
Personaly, I prefer to carry my charger than dimming the screen
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gtrab said:
tipically, display (screen) accounts for 2/3s of the total battery usage
check the battery usage app (settings -> battery), you'll be amazed
then make a simple test:
reduce brightness by half and your battery will last A LOT longer
Personaly, I prefer to carry my charger than dimming the screen
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Back,soz my internet crashed -_-
And true,the Screen uses 2/3 or even more, everytime i check it sucks around 75% or so if you use it alot.
Also @Cebees Yes thats true,thats why i sugested a task manager Cutting processes cleans ram memory but also cleans cpu usage.
True you can let the droid do its things but most of the time its not Droid who is eating the battery to death,its 3rd party apps which remain On even after usage (Like when you select a live wall and then change it,the other remains on and some walls arent very good optimized so ...if 1 Live-wall eats a bit of battery,imagine 3 or 4 ?)
Also : Gaming / GPS navigation And Wifi Navigating are the main and most power hungry tasks for a phone to do,so its normal that if you're doing any of those,the battery lasts like nothing.
One Tip : Always take ur charger with you Also take the MicroUSB->USB cable off your charger and use it while your in your car (Buy a Cigarette->USB adaptor,costs less than 10 quid) and then you can charge it while you're in your/your dad's car, that way you'll maintain the battery a bit more alive.
Also if you really think your battery just isnt up for your needs, there is a 3600mAh (Think its Called Mugen 3600 or smth)battery out there for the X10,it is kinda bulky but it doubles and some times even more the life of the normal 1500mAh Stock battery.
Btw,if you want to buy a new battery and a 3600mAh one is too expensive,try to get a 2000+ one...as there was tested that up to 1800mAh arent exactly Shiny,just a very slight (Minutes)improvement over the stock 1500mAh one.
As you can see,there's loads of things that can cause a battery life to be poor
So keep on trying ^^ Im sure it will all go great.
I charged mine yesterday at morning,and i still got 67% Today,so i believe i can manage a total of 3 days straight ...and i did eventually use my phone to listen to music,put some live walls and make some calls.
Also trust me...the Launcher does make a diference,specially if you get the Helix one...i used it and my battery used to manage up to almost 5 days straight (With little use).
Oh and @Cebees : I know that the 8hour thing isnt exactly necesary today , but eventhought they say its not ,i believe i've been told by someone who knows about this that its good for the battery to be totally maxed in the first charges and then left to total emptyness(if possible until phone shuts down or is about to) that way it does calibrate (As you said before) and it does also maximise its life (Technically,i could be wrong , but my always done that with my wife's and daughter's phone and they always worked like a charm and trust me ,my daughter cant get her hands off her phone -_-)
Regards
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Hey people,hows it going?
I have decided to create this thread to help people who arent very happy with their battery life pre/after the 2.1 update.
Aighty guys lets see : The improvements in 2.1 are VERY awesome if you combine it with things to make it total ownage.
Battery Life : Mine lasts 24h with very heavy usage, without usage it can last more than 48h...
Updated since sunday night so i got more than enough experience with it.
If you got bad battery life you can do followings :
1)Root + SetCPU : Lower the "Minimum" quantity so the CPU would idle very lowly and so you get more battery life ,i reccomend getting 245 there.
2)Use Task Manager Pro : Shut down apps that eat the RAM, those who say "unused ram is wasted" , imo thats false as if you got more ram free : More battery life,better phone usage,less lags,and more space in case updates of twitter/fb etc come on ,i usually got around 105mb free always left (Excluded updates for social's & news & weather,live wall,android apps and stuff that i really need)
3)Still not fixed? Get a Battery-life-saver launcher and replace the Home one,as SE didnt work 2.1's home to good so its laggy and battery-eater.
4)Widgets?Have you got loads of news/updates widgets or apps? Try to lower the "Update rate", facebook updates as default each 5 mins,set it to around 2h or so,you dont need less than that.
5)Still pittyful? Check how much you use it, if i use my phone alot i get maybe less than 12h of battery life, but if you use it just the necesary trust me,you can get up to 3 days straight.
Battery life also depends on how much you use it.
6)If you have just updated to 2.1 leave it a few days,it is quite bad at first as the system needs to update all its settings ,all its new stuff,just like when you install a new OS on a computer,it needs to "Start windows for the first time".
7)If its still very bad,then your battery might be damaged,get a new one and remember that the first 2-3 charges to take at least 8h,to make sure its lifespan is gonna be high.
In conclusion : Dont just say "My battery life sucks now", Battery depends on how much you use the phone,on how much your apps/timescape/mediascape/Social feeds/News feeds use your phone as much as gps/wifi/bluetooth of it.
Check everything you can,do everything i said and then see if ur battery is damaged or not,cause the 2.1 system didnt do worse,it actually did better than 1.6 after its perfectly settled.
Hope this helps out,take care ^
Regards
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Something bothers me here. During your intro, you say with "very heavy" usage, you get 24 hours battery. Then. In step 5, you say that if you use your phone alot, you get maybe less than 12 hours usage. I dont get it. :-S
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lawless_benji said:
Something bothers me here. During your intro, you say with "very heavy" usage, you get 24 hours battery. Then. In step 5, you say that if you use your phone alot, you get maybe less than 12 hours usage. I dont get it. :-S
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lol ups,yeah the 24h thing is a mistake,ima correct that.
Thanks ^
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lol ups,yeah the 24h thing is a mistake,ima correct that.
Thanks ^
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Cool! No problem!
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My battery life got worse on 2.1.
On 1.6 I would unplug my phone at 6:20 am and listen to music for an hour then I would mess with my phone a little bit between 7:20 and 2:15. Then after that I would listen to music for another hour while surfing facebook. By time I get home at 3:20 I'm down to 60 percent. But if I do that on 2.1 by time I get home I'll be at 30 percent. Also I have juice defender ultimate that shuts off my 3g everytime the screen is off.
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http://www.appbrain.com/app/autokiller-memory-optimizer/com.rs.autokiller
I'd prefer this one rather than auto task killer
a bit friendly for droid, except chuck norris one.
My wife uses ipad2 and i am using xoom. Noticed some glaring performance issues for the battery and the screen:-
1. The battery on the ipad2 can last twice as long as the xoom. I can get 3 days use of battery from the ipad2 compared to the xoom for about the same usage. When i use the xoom for about 5hours - mainly to do basic web serving, read books, with 3G turned on (rest of wireless turned off), i have about 40% battery left after 24hours. That does not seem normal to me, battery reports that the battery juice is used by the screen mostly (80%)...but my screen brightness is less than 30% level.
2. The you tube HD video clarity on the ipad2 is definitely more superior in color richness , clarity and sharpness. Turning up the screen brightness to 100% and activating the higher video quality in the xoom helps a bit but the improvement just makes a dent. I have read that the ipad screen is better...but what i see is a clearly superior ipad screen performance.
I almost hate to say this....ipad2 is a winner as far as the battery and screen quality is concerned. Or my xoom is a dud and i should bring it back to motorola?
thanks
Lawrence
P/s - Saw this article on the xoom screen performance from gizmodo.com.au/2011/07/best-tablet-display-ipad-2-just-got-dethroned. Looks like i am better of reading books with xoom and watch videos on the ipad2.
Honestly the xoom's screen is good enough for watching videos. But to say your not going to use it for video's because of a small difference in the screen.(I've compared them side by side) Why not read books on the ipad?
My xoom lasts me 4 days on battery browsing and playing games for 4 hours a day. But I'm using wifi only.
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Can the ipad2 install 3rd party music players?
Use Xbox controllers?
Mount cameras?
Use SD cards to play friends music?
As well as many other features.
Both have strong and weak points, just pick the one suited to you simple.
Sent from my Tablet
Does the ipad run android? Nope
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Hi,
I got the xoom for the reasons you have highlighted and am thankful to the XDA community for the support and the hacks. It makes the experience so much more fulfilling .
Ipad2 plays the youtube by default in HD mode while in the Xoom, you have to select this play mode. Having realized this solved the problem that was borne out of my ignorance.
I hope the Tiamat 2.1 improves the Xoom battery life, i am charging it almost daily now since it drops to below 40% after a day of use.
Lawrence
boo ****ing hoo, i cant use my battery for a month. I have to recharge every while im sleeping and not using it. Christ, you guys....
patass said:
boo ****ing hoo, i cant use my battery for a month. I have to recharge every while im sleeping and not using it. Christ, you guys....
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Duhhhh....that's what sleeping supposed to be. You can't be playing dungeon defenders with your eyes closed
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wang1404 said:
Duhhhh....that's what sleeping supposed to be. You can't be playing dungeon defenders with your eyes closed
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I think he's trying to be sarcastic, lol.
If you're doing anything other than listening to music, the Xoom will give +/- ten hours of battery life. That's pretty good. I charge at night on my speaker dock and use it as my alarm clock. It's ready to go in the morning and lasts through the day with battery to spare.
Use SetCPU or CPU Master to set battery saving profiles if rooted with custom kernel/rom.
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My xoom lasts me 4 days on battery browsing and playing games for 4 hours a day. But I'm using wifi only.
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So you get 16 hours of battery life out of your xoom? Honestly, sell it back to Motorola for half a million or so, so they can find out how you doubled the normal battery life.
Sorry, I really like my xoom and am a Android "Fanboy", but we should at least try to be realistic.
I don't get what all the fuzz is about anyway. The Ipad2 has a better battery life, which is even written down in the specs. And that the xoom's screen is **** (relatively, considering the price class) has been mentioned right from the start. So, nothing new to see here
Tiamat 2.1 ROCKS
Hi,
Using Tiamat 2.1 with
1. Used Set CPU to increase to 1.5Ghz (settings = ondemand). Performance increase very noticeable and quadrant score has increased from 1800 to 3500!
2. Battery life has also improved, half a day use drops about 20% but will take me a few days to test this out for a fact. I suppose this because Tiamat has cleaned out the bloat ware Thanks ROM Team Tiamat! Also used Auto Memory Killer (got this advice from Xoom Heaven thread, Thanks diablo2224!). And all this with 1.5Ghz CPU setting!
I support android, use SGS2, SGS1 (wife using this) and Xoom. XDA is a great place where the majority of the views are objective and useful for the reader, to make informed decisions.
Lawrence
patass said:
boo ****ing hoo, i cant use my battery for a month. I have to recharge every while im sleeping and not using it. Christ, you guys....
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Lol seriously such a hassle to plug it in over night! Mine runs a couple days with heavy use thanks to rooting it and running setcpu...doing this to solve Androids battery guzzling from the factory issue I have a tab that can outlast the iPad, but more importantly excels in several other categories. When the source code comes out things will only get far better...this is a device for real techies...you want a pretty screen and the internet without ever getting the true potential with your device...buy a fadPad
Oh and stock I never had a problem with a full day battery life on this thing which is really all you need, but if you put in the twenty minutes of extra work you could have way better battery life...as far as the screen crispness it is subjective...some folks swear the iPad is better some say xoom has better quality but darker screen...the difference is minimal in my opinion and using better third party players helps...rant over
I'll be the 1st to admit that the iPad2 has a better display than the Xoom, but hell so do most of the other recent android tablets out there. I bought iPad2's for my daughters and I could never move to the darkside. I rely too much on google's free tools, being on the road so much I literally could not live without google maps and it's free voice navigation.
Make no mistake, I'm just as disappointed in the Xoom's display as anyone else and the still absent LTE upgrade (I know it's finally coming) have turned me off from Motorola hardware completely. Since VZW essentially gave me a 4G hotspot and allow me to use my Xoom as a wifi only device, I can't really complain anymore. I won't be leaving Android anytime soon, especially for iOS
Stone 13 said:
I'll be the 1st to admit that the iPad2 has a better display than the Xoom, but hell so do most of the other recent android tablets out there. I bought iPad2's for my daughters and I could never move to the darkside. I rely too much on google's free tools, being on the road so much I literally could not live without google maps and it's free voice navigation.
Make no mistake, I'm just as disappointed in the Xoom's display as anyone else and the still absent LTE upgrade (I know it's finally coming) have turned me off from Motorola hardware completely. Since VZW essentially gave me a 4G hotspot and allow me to use my Xoom as a wifi only device, I can't really complain anymore. I won't be leaving Android anytime soon, especially for iOS
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Yeah my real gripe is with motorola releasing their device too early...I would have gone HTC if they had a comparable device but they don't as of yet...oh well just means I had to hack it a little more than planned...
Improved battery life
Hi,
The battery life with the Tiamat 2.1 has improved. Instead of dropping down to 40% after day use, now it is 70%. My usage will not be identical daily but the improvement is significant, very pleased with it.
Tiamat ROM Team ROCKS!
Lawrence
lawrencelaw said:
Hi,
The battery life with the Tiamat 2.1 has improved. Instead of dropping down to 40% after day use, now it is 70%. My usage will not be identical daily but the improvement is significant, very pleased with it.
Tiamat ROM Team ROCKS!
Lawrence
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So glad to hear it!
Apparently the battery life is terrible:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/21/microsoft-surface-pro-2-review/
(Scroll down).
The W700 has better battery life than the SP2, yet the SP2 uses Haswell...
Macmee said:
Apparently the battery life is terrible:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/21/microsoft-surface-pro-2-review/
(Scroll down).
The W700 has better battery life than the SP2, yet the SP2 uses Haswell...
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Keep in mind that they were playing a video for the duration of that test, so doing things like browsing the web will make the battery last longer. 6 hours of video playback doesn't sound terrible to me, my current tablet will hardly do 7 hours of screen on time in total of normal usage, and that's an android tablet with an ARM processor.
I'll be running a chunk of tests side by side with my existing Pro and the Pro 2 when mine gets here, if anyone wants side by side specific tests doing I will see what I can do...
I got my first full day of usage out of my new Pro 2, and I got above 10 hours of near constant use. It beat my old tablet (Which was an android tablet with a Tegra 2 ARM processor). Definitely impressed by the battery life on this thing.
Still waiting for mine to turn up, damn you, damn you all to hell...
That's one test. I've only had 1 full day with my SP2, but it's battery life is on par with the RT, which is a lot better than the SP1. I'd guess 7-8 hours for me, not running a lot of heavy processing tasks
I really wish I would have waited the two months for the Pro 2. Such huge improvements with battery life over the Pro I just bought, and all for just $100 more than I paid. I would feel a bit better had I saved more than that. Anyone want to buy a Pro 1 and a laptop so I can get the 2? LOL
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I got my first full day of usage out of my new Pro 2, and I got above 10 hours of near constant use. It beat my old tablet (Which was an android tablet with a Tegra 2 ARM processor). Definitely impressed by the battery life on this thing.
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10 hours sounds great. But was that with the screen on all the time? And if so, with what brightness settings? I've been discouraged by the reviews saying around 7 hours but I want to know the total possible screen on time on the lowest brightness with light tablet usage, i.e. no desktop apps, only modern UI IE for internet browsing. My nexus 7 2012 gives around 8h of screen on time with the lowest brightness and I'm fine with that.
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10 hours DOT.nds great. But was that with the screen on all the time? And if so, with what brightness settings? I've been discouraged by the reviews saying around 7 hours but I want to know the total possible screen on time on the lowest brightness with light tablet usage, i.e. no desktop apps, only modern UI IE for internet browsing. My nexus 7 2012 gives around 8h of screen on time with the lowest brightness and I'm fine with that.
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Somewhere around 7 to 7.5 hours SOT. Auto brightness. Mostly metro UI, but I did go into desktop mode a tiny bit
I'm confused as to why people are still quoting battery life from a device thats not even in the same ball park, yes the Nexus is a nice device, almost had one myself but at the end of the day the Surface is an i5 device with 10" screen etc, if anything it should be compared more to an ultrabook, or more accurately to 75% of an ultrabook given its physical size and the associated battery size.
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I'm confused as to why people are still quoting battery life from a device thats not even in the same ball park, yes the Nexus is a nice device, almost had one myself but at the end of the day the Surface is an i5 device with 10" screen etc, if anything it should be compared more to an ultrabook, or more accurately to 75% of an ultrabook given its physical size and the associated battery size.
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The concept of preferences and user scenarios is not some universal law. It is HIGHLY subjective. If I'd want an ultrabook I'd buy an ultrabook. I want a device that can act both as an ultrabook AND a tablet instead of having one ultrabook and one tablet. If the surface pro should be measured purely as an ultrabook then why do you think Microsoft didn't do an ultrabook? Comparing battery life is vital if you want to have a good idea of how the surface pro acts as a tablet. If you see the surface pro plain as an ultrabook, why not buy a "real" ultrabook instead?
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The concept of preferences and user scenarios is not some universal law. It is HIGHLY subjective. If I'd want an ultrabook I'd buy an ultrabook. I want a device that can act both as an ultrabook AND a tablet instead of having one ultrabook and one tablet. If the surface pro should be measured purely as an ultrabook then why do you think Microsoft didn't do an ultrabook? Comparing battery life is vital if you want to have a good idea of how the surface pro acts as a tablet. If you see the surface pro plain as an ultrabook, why not buy a "real" ultrabook instead?
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Battery life is highly subjective, yet you are comparing a 7" ARM based tablet with a 10" x86 i5 tablet.
My point about Ultrabooks was more down to the spec of Ultrabooks being more or less the same as the Surface Pro, a damned sight closer than the spec of a Nexus by a country mile...
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Battery life is highly subjective, yet you are comparing a 7" ARM based tablet with a 10" x86 i5 tablet.
My point about Ultrabooks was more down to the spec of Ultrabooks being more or less the same as the Surface Pro, a damned sight closer than the spec of a Nexus by a country mile...
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No I'm not, I'm comparing user scenarios. Specs is completely irrelevant. As I said, I want ONE device for all my needs. Is that really so confusing? Maybe you are a hardcore materialist or something but personally I'm a minimalist and I don't like to have several gadgets for different situations.
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No I'm not, I'm comparing user scenarios. Specs is completely irrelevant. As I said, I want ONE device for all my needs. Is that really so confusing? Maybe you are a hardcore materialist or something but personally I'm a minimalist and I don't like to have several gadgets for different situations.
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Spec's isnt irrelevant when you mention how much you get out of one device over another, you brought that up not me, all you needed to say was you wanted at least X figure, rather than mentioning Y hardware as that gives off the wrong impressions and suggests you are expecting something different.
As for one device, I had the RT, have the Pro now, and have the Pro2 on order, its a brilliant device in normal Pro guise, I want the Pro2 mainly for the extra RAM, the battery life to me makes no odds as I use it at home, and have a charger, I use it at work, I have a charger, I'm not out on the road long enough to worry about battery life that much although I do have a charger in the car as well.
I have completely ditched everything but my mobile phone since having the Pro, so if you are a minimalist then I dont see you having any issues, unless you are more road based than the 6+ hours a Pro2 will give you at which point a power cover, car charger or some other setup should do for your needs.
If you guys followed anandtech. Apparently the battery life is caused by firmware issues. Microsoft just pushed an update that fixed it. They did the same test and it boosted from 6 hours to 8 hours.
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bountygiver said:
If you guys followed anandtech. Apparently the battery life is caused by firmware issues. Microsoft just pushed an update that fixed it. They did the same test and it boosted from 6 hours to 8 hours.
Sent from my U9200
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Now we're talking! Added anandtech to my bookmarks.
I do the occasional tour with the band I play in and some drives are longer than 6 hours. And you don't have access to power outlets at every place you stay so you might not be able to charge it every night so all the extra battery juice is welcome. And I don't trust 12V converters.
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mertzi said:
Now we're talking! Added anandtech to my bookmarks.
I do the occasional tour with the band I play in and some drives are longer than 6 hours. And you don't have access to power outlets at every place you stay so you might not be able to charge it every night so all the extra battery juice is welcome. And I don't trust 12V converters.
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microsoft are offering an official in car charger for the surface. The surface charges at 12V anyway so really all it needed was something to regulate the car electrical systems actual voltage of 13-14v down to 12. However it isnt hitting shelves until early 2014. It is listed on here though: http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/accessories/browse#accessories4