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Complaints!

I'm really tired of all the complaining and bickering going on in this forum lately.
It's getting out of hand.
Especially from **** heads that didn't show their faces until after the hard work was done. Those that don't show up when the forum needs something but only show up when they need something.
Where were you when we were collecting money?
Instead of complaining, did you ever think to ask some of the leaders in the forum, what you could do to give back?
Where were you when we were testing? All we needed was $5 from a few people but all I see is more cheap bastards that want free stuff and expect it to be PERFECT. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Think of it this way...if you bricked your device after 20 other people have successfully "patched" it, then something else is wrong. Work with people in the forum to figure out what. Keep a cool head. We know how tough it is to spend high dollar on a device then have it not work...but you use solutions here at your own risk so it's not the developers fault IT IS YOUR FAULT. Learn to post based on other postings. Don't yell and start complaining. I'm not a developer myself but contribute in other ways. If I was a developer I would leave this forum because of the verbal abuse. STOP COMPLAINING ALREADY!
Read the forum. Most of the **** has already been done. I'm not upset because people are asking questions due to not understanding something along your research. Don't get me wrong, the forum is here to help people and it's helped me a lot. I'm upset because of all the bashing going on lately. It's getting out of hand. I'm also upset because many of you that are actually benefitting from these solutions didn't show your faces until all the hard work was done. Don't tell me you couldn't afford a measly $5 or to contribute your time in some way or ask the people involved...what can I do to give back to the community I leech from.....you get my point.
Note, I'm not going to respond to ANYONE regarding this thread. Just chill the out and let's work together. If your device breaks, READ and try to educate yourself first instead of blaming the developer who took time to contribute their knowledge and provided us with a solution we needed or wanted. If you don't like how things are going....GET INVOLVED WHEN YOU NEED TO...DON'T COMPLAIN BECAUSE YOU'RE USING A SOLUTION SOMEONE WROTE ON THEIR FREE TIME TO HELP YOU OUT! MY GOD PEOPLE!
If you think you might get upset, mess your phone up, or otherwise...JUST DON'T USE THE SOLUTIONS POSTED ON THIS FORUM PERIOD.
If the above doesn't make sense...oh well. Needed to get that off my chest. I'm not a writer either so if it's all mashed together, oh well. If you're smart enough you'll get my point. If not, then just ignore the thread and go on.

Well Said ltxda. If only people would listen could curb their emotions a bit and apply logic sometimes....but then we are emotional beings.
Well I agree anyway. Everything is done at your own risk in these forums...and while we are at it...you know complaining about complainers and so forth...
..has anyone actually bricked their device (rendered it 'dead' or incapable of being restored somehow)...you know killed it?
I don't recall anyone having had that experience since... say...Olipro's unlocker. Point being...it's safe for all...and that was the intention of the SPL patch in the first place..whether simple to use or not.
C'mon friends...let's close the divide eat some humble pie together and get back to the business of progress and development...I'll leave that last bit to the devs.lol
If it helps I'll go first...Sorry if I offended anyone of late.
I meant that BTW. If it it's not good enough..sorry the offense ran so deep...sorry again.
OK...back to business
Developer Midget_1990 should be getting his X7500 within the next few days hopefully. We wanted different variants of the Athena to ensure there any and all solutions would definitely work across the board.
Custom ROMs coming soon.
Why don't we put our heads together to finalize/agree on the wish list of software that should be incorporated into the ROM/Vanilla ROM?
Has anyone found any VGA converted files for the Kaiser plug-in .cabs? That would be nice.

well said lt.. well said...

Agree with all these comments and want to add my take on the situation. All of us were newbies at some point (except for Oli I guess), and we have all been there. I remember sweating the first time I made a registry change.
1. We need to be a little patient with newbies. We want them to become a part of the community, not drive them away.
2. Saying "Just use search" or "See the Wiki" isn't always helpful. Sometimes relevant threads are 20+ pages, hard to sift through all that and figure out what is really the **** and what is some lame-ass crap from some poor soul who is as clueless as me. And have you actually looked at the Athena Wiki lately. Not much there. I would feel more sympathetic to the dismissive tone if the Wiki were more up to date. (I know, that's me too!)
** Tip for newbies, go to Advanced Search, select just the Athena forum, and search by post not thread. That may help narrow things down.
ON THE OTHER HAND:
3. I'm pretty cautious in making major changes. Flashed my Wizard ROM probably 4 times in over a year... and still waiting to flash my Advantage. I appreciate the brave souls who will flash weekly or more, I learn a lot from you guys. But I don't have the time to constantly set things back up over and over, so I wait for an upgrade that I feel confident will do what I want. Plus I know my limitations, if something really terrible happens I'm not smart enough to quickly recover. I read everything there is to read before doing anything major.
SO WHY IS IT THAT SOME PEOPLE TAKE HOME A NEW DEVICE AND FLASH AWAY WITHOUT READING A DAMN THING? Then cry that they bricked their phone? (probably not) How can we get the message of BE CAREFUL across? Look before you leap, etc. Maybe there needs to be a sticky at the very top explaining who should be messing with what. Maybe every link to a ROM should have a warning label. Something.
Sorry to go on. I really appreciate the expertise on this forum and enjoy being able to contribute in some small ways. But we need a more civil tone. I hate to see things deteriorate.

"I was once like you are now, and I know that its not easy,
To be calm when youve found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything youve got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not...."
Cat Stevens...
I think XDA-DEV is the best forum I ever seen about HTC devices. So many
thoroughbred horses here, and everybody involved in management knows how hard is to keep them working together ... Forget Customer Relationship Management

Keep this discussion clean (language, flaming et.al.). I understand the frustration, but bickering in the forum (or anywhere) is pointless.

jwzg said:
Keep this discussion clean (language, flaming et.al.). I understand the frustration, but bickering in the forum (or anywhere) is pointless.
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Agreed. Sorry I lost it again.

thx for cleaning up the unlocker threat.

It took a while before the Hermes forum to start getting crazy. I don't have my device for a week yet and there is already a lot sh*t among members already. For the Athena, I thought this would not happen until WM7. Anyway, let's get along people.

Bickering and namecalling
I think some of the newer guys should also look in the historie of things. The hermes forum had simmilar issues with jasjamming. For lot of the developers it not just someone asking a question, but another one asking the same thing. It's can be very frustrating, and some handle it better than others. I think it's safe to say that Olipro doesn't hadle it very well, and vents his frustration at the one asking the question. Wether i agree with him or not i do understand him.
As for the people asking questions. First search if your question hasn't been asked before... If you can't find it search again.
Give as much information as you can. Be specific about versions you use. Give the output of the software you get.If you're aked to give information you have given before, just give it again. Remember you are the one wanting help, so make it easy to help you, don't make the other one search for information.
And remember one thing: Free software is often provided "as is". No guarantees and no support. Assume that if it goes wrong, that you are on your own. Any support given is a bonus. Having said that, you'll find that there are enough people willing to help as long as you are patient and polite (or at least civil).

So HERE is the CHALLENGE

Ok... I have been going through ALOT of different forums trying to sort out my bricked UNIVERSAL... A common thread/problem that i find is that people have tried to flash their
UNIVERSAL without first making it superCID. Then once they encounter problems and can't boot past BOOTLOADER or SPLASH screen they can't perform certain MTTY commands because its NOT superCID. They cannot run the regular unlock tool as they cant boot their device!!
Ok, the CHALLENGE;
Create tool to maker superCID from BOOTLOADER.
Now i dont have the programing skills to do this myself but i know that their are plenty of intelligent people here that do and that are willing to help.

i think you should give them some kind of money because i don't think someday you'll find someone on internet that will make it for you !
it's incredible to see people that thinks everything belongs to them

simkard said:
i think you should give them some kind of money because i don't think someday you'll find someone on internet that will make it for you !
it's incredible to see people that thinks everything belongs to them
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LOL "Challenge"... He believes he's dealing with 5 year olds who do anything if you challenge them
"Oh you do not dare"
"Oh I Do"

Wow... A lot of resentment coming out. I just hope for the personal integrity of the last two members that they actually KNOW how to do this and are not just rude individuals.
For everyone else; so maybe the wording of my post was not the most tactful but lets face it. EVERYBODY here wants others to HELP them with something! We all contribute to different forums and projects where we are able. If we all knew how to do everything ourselves forums would not have a purpose.

samuel_m said:
Wow... A lot of resentment coming out. I just hope for the personal integrity of the last two members that they actually KNOW how to do this and are not just rude individuals.
For everyone else; so maybe the wording of my post was not the most tactful but lets face it. EVERYBODY here wants others to HELP them with something! We all contribute to different forums and projects where we are able. If we all knew how to do everything ourselves forums would not have a purpose.
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I'm rude.
Just kidding, I do not know and cannot help you, but I make fun of your tactic and thinking that might work, but not it a rude manner, just playful
If it's a mass problem people here are the first to help and with a lot of commitment. But when one persons is trying to "challenge" them... I guess it just bores.
ps- english is not my 1st language.

Another leak...

I read this on sprint community forums. I'm hoping one of you brilliant devs can make something of it? I downloaded it, but am horrified to use it, as the last one (that said, "test" on it) really jacked up my phone good.
Just passing on this info:
From Android Central When it rains, it pours. Just got word of a new leak for the HTC Sprint Hero. No way of knowing if this is the final 2.1 version, but this one is signed with release keys so you will lose your root for sure if you're into that sort of thing. Anyone who feels brave and wants to try for themselves you can find it here. Remember, this is not official software from any carrier. Using this is at your own risk, and nobody here at Android Central is suggesting you try it, though we're more than happy to show you where it is. Thanks Beezy420! http://www.4shared.com/file/gfPzbRcS/RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_2276515_R_si.html Haven't tried it myself...But I figured I'd post it..
Edit: Let me apologize if I posted this in the wrong section or if I was NOT supposed to post this kind of info. I just figured a dev would maybe want a crack at it?

couple hours late
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=643

Wooops! I knew I would F up.....sorry guys. Delete this thred. Sorry, I usually dont read the development section =(

T Mobile Unlocked - What does that mean for ATT S4?

I know enough to be dangerous when it comes to these phones - but I am very curious and wondered if any one could shed any light -
If the TMOBILE and ATT Varients are so similar - which appears to be the case - and if the TMOBILE BOOTLOADER is unlocked - which also seems to be the case - Does this bode well for ATT Getting Unlocked ? or does one have nothing at all to do with the other?
I thought the simialarites between the two phones would mean that if one was unlocked it might lead to what needs to be done to unlock the other?
or - is this totally off base and proof again that I don't know a damn thing - ?
I wasn't sure where to post this - I didn't want to clutter up the Dev Threads but thought QA would be the best place - ?
thoughts anyone?

Best thing you can do is keep an eye on the "unlocked bootloader" thread in the Dev section. But only keep an eye on it! Do not post anything in it unless you have useable knowledge that can help them. I see that you know that already (and that's great) so I am only mentioning this for those that don't quite get it. Unfortunately, some have already posted in it even after AdamOutler asked that it only be used for unlocking the bootloader. Some people just aren't very bright. Anyway, back on topic, AdamOutler along with other Devs are looking into the possibility that the T-Mobile version may shed some light on the bootloader. Those guys know what they are doing so if it can help, they will know.

scott14719 said:
Best thing you can do is keep an eye on the "unlocked bootloader" thread in the Dev section. But only keep an eye on it! Do not post anything in it unless you have useable knowledge that can help them. I see that you know that already (and that's great) so I am only mentioning this for those that don't quite get it. Unfortunately, some have already posted in it even after AdamOutler asked that it only be used for unlocking the bootloader. Some people just aren't very bright. Anyway, back on topic, AdamOutler along with other Devs are looking into the possibility that the T-Mobile version may shed some light on the bootloader. Those guys know what they are doing so if it can help, they will know.
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That is encouraging - fingers crossed that they can work this out. I love my phone - but I am not wanting to stay stuck on stock forever - not my idea of the best android experience - but I am also not willing to give up as easily as I have seen some ....
The reason for this post was to hopefully get some encouragement that TMOBILE's status might make it easier - and while there are no guarentees -it feels like maybe that is possible.
I will keep reading - and hoping and hopefully sometime soon.........

[DISSCUSION]About locked bootloaders

First of all, i don't wanna get flamed because of this, this is just a thought, nothing more, i just wanted to discuss abit more about this, since there's no real discussion thread in any forum about this. So, as we all know, there's no real way to unlock bootloaders wich have bootloader unlock allowed:No status. Yet. I think there is a way, because, let's be honest, it's not a hardware restriction. That means, someone, somewhere, with enough knowledge and experience maybe could unlock it. While Sony's software is really good, i am a long time XDA member, and with a huge history of devices, i really don't like being restricted on Stock ROMs and kernels. This situation has honestly never happened to me, and it's my fault not checking the device i took. Feel wise, this phone is the best i owned. It feels right. It feels premium. The battery is great. The screen is great also, and the camera too. I love it. Just the feel of being locked forever makes me scared actually. Mainly because i plan to stay with this phone for atleast two or maybe more years since it's just too great. And, seeing as Android grows, our device will already be outdated with the next android release. Sure, that's not a problem for users with unlocked bootloaders, since they will be supported with CM/it's kangs and AOSP custom ROMs for the next gen for sure, and maybe even the one after that. But what's with us that have bootloaders locked? Marshmallow and that's it? No more updates? No more security patches? No new features? That just doesn't sound right. Now, i think we, as a community, should really do something about this, yea, maybe it's not a big thing for many of you, and for you with unlocked BL's, but for me it is. What are my thoughts, and our options could be:
1. We could raise a bounty, and buy/give a phone to someone experienced with unlocking and hardcore hacking (the first name wich comes to my mind is @geohot )
2. We could do some research, ask opinions from devs and litteraly everyone we can, do some experiments with this stuff (but that requires someone really brave hahah)
3. I don't know, you can tell me below.
But i really think we should do something about this finally.
NOTE that this includes Xperia Z1/Z2 users also.
Guys i at least want disscus this. Call me stupid and call this all above nonsense, but if there's at least a small shed of light, any hope, we should discover the way.

And sorry for the long post.
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There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.

gregbradley said:
There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.
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Too bad. I'm sure he could do it.
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