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Play store is updated with nexus 6 and Pre-orders will be available starting on 10/29:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_64GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_64gb
Network shows all different bands which tells that 1 model across all carriers :good:
Network
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE: Bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41
CA DL: Bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
Nexus 6 Play store page showing all US carriers:
Follow instructions from below link to get instant notification on your smart phone (via Pushbullet or Twitter) when Nexus 6 becomes available for purchase on Play store:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2j8bq3/howto_setup_nexus_6_release_notifications/
Most likely Nexus 6 should be available for purchase at 2pm est on the 29th (based on previous Nexus sale start times on Play store).
Nexus 6 expected launch date is Nov 12th
droidguy22 said:
Play store is updated with nexus 6 and Pre-orders will be available starting on 10/29:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_64GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_64gb
Network shows all different bands which tells that 1 model across all carriers :good:
Network
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE: Bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41
CA DL: Bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
I am ready to order on 29th and when it arrives will switch nano sim from my Verizon Moto x, can't wait for Nexus 6...
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Cool. Nice to have it officially dated. But you may want to change the minor typo in your title from 19th to 29th*.
It may have all bands but the jury is still out on wether Verizon can block an N6 not purchased thru them.
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It may have all bands but the jury is still out on wether Verizon can block an N6 not purchased thru them.
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Yea this is what I'm waiting you find out.
Us Verizon folk who want the device ASAP are really pretty boned, aren't we? Spending $650+ is a big gamble if the phone ends up not working on Verizon (well, I guess we could still return it and get refunded, but still), but if the past is any indication, preorders will probably go super quick and the device will be backordered on the Play Store within minutes.
The way I see it, and I've been spouting this in other threads, and perhaps it's just my own nonsense, but the way I see it, if Verizon weren't going to "play ball", so to speak, wouldn't Google have just continued skipping over them for Nexus phones? Google never pushed for Verizon to get the last two Nexus phones, so if Verizon were going to be problematic about it, why didn't Google just continue passing them over? I dunno. I want to be optimistic that I can order one from the Play Store on the 29th and be fine. To me, I just feel like Google had no reason to get this phone on Verizon if Verizon were just going to continue being a pain about it.
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It may have all bands but the jury is still out on wether Verizon can block an N6 not purchased thru them.
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I doubt it, the fact that Google has inluded Verizon name/logo on the Nexus page and only 1 model on the Play store with all Network bands (including Verizon CDMA bands) makes me believe that the Play store model would work on Verizon without an issue.
http://www.google.com/nexus/6/
I think Verizon is in agreement with Google/Motorola to allow Nexus 6 on their network. Probably they don't
want to miss the Nexus 6 on their network and loose many of their customers who are die hard Android
fans and for whom Nexus 6 is very appealing/enticing smart phone and would switch carriers.
mrw1215 said:
Us Verizon folk who want the device ASAP are really pretty boned, aren't we? Spending $650+ is a big gamble if the phone ends up not working on Verizon (well, I guess we could still return it and get refunded, but still), but if the past is any indication, preorders will probably go super quick and the device will be backordered on the Play Store within minutes.
The way I see it, and I've been spouting this in other threads, and perhaps it's just my own nonsense, but the way I see it, if Verizon weren't going to "play ball", so to speak, wouldn't Google have just continued skipping over them for Nexus phones? Google never pushed for Verizon to get the last two Nexus phones, so if Verizon were going to be problematic about it, why didn't Google just continue passing them over? I dunno. I want to be optimistic that I can order one from the Play Store on the 29th and be fine. To me, I just feel like Google had no reason to get this phone on Verizon if Verizon were just going to continue being a pain about it.
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Your last sentence says everything: "Google had no reason to get this phone on Verizon if Verizon were just going to continue being a pain about it"
the fact that Google has inluded Verizon name/logo on the Nexus page and only 1 model on the Play store with all Network bands (including Verizon CDMA bands) makes me believe that the Play store model would work on Verizon without an issue.
http://www.google.com/nexus/6/
I think Verizon is in agreement with Google/Motorola to allow Nexus 6 on their network. Probably they don't
want to miss the Nexus 6 on their network and loose many of their customers who are die hard Android
fans and for whom Nexus 6 is very appealing/enticing smart phone and would switch carriers.
It probably will be usable if you preorder thru google, but i don't see verizon anouncing until after the Droid Turbo release.
halon17 said:
It probably will be usable if you preorder thru google, but i don't see verizon anouncing until after the Droid Turbo release.
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Which is the 28th, the day before the N6 is live
joshm.1219 said:
Which is the 28th, the day before the N6 is live
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No way they would say anything the day after. They need to give their pride and joy Droid line time to sell.
I could see them letting people get it through Google but never making an official anouncement for clise to a month. They never really advertised the GNex. I walked into few stores that had nothing showing off the GNex.
I will be trying to keep my unlimited data while buying a subsidized phone from Verizon. Spending $50-$200 is a lot better than $650, and this phone is plenty good enough to last 2 years.
Quick, kind of off topic question.. Why would one buy the N6 from the play store for the full $650 when you can get a subsidized version from Verizon and its the EXACT same phone? Just doesn't make sense to me is all.
ECrispy said:
I will be trying to keep my unlimited data while buying a subsidized phone from Verizon. Spending $50-$200 is a lot better than $650, and this phone is plenty good enough to last 2 years.
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Yea I'm probably going to the Sprint store and get a subsidized N6...$650-700 is too steep for my checkbook this season.
Baurblades43 said:
Quick, kind of off topic question.. Why would one buy the N6 from the play store for the full $650 when you can get a subsidized version from Verizon and its the EXACT same phone? Just doesn't make sense to me is all.
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One is carrier unlocked to start and the other is not. So no it is not "the exact same phone".
Baurblades43 said:
Quick, kind of off topic question.. Why would one buy the N6 from the play store for the full $650 when you can get a subsidized version from Verizon and its the EXACT same phone? Just doesn't make sense to me is all.
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UDP, man UDP!
Or not be locked into a contract. If it's the same phone, you could take it to any carrier you like at any time.
wtherrell said:
UDP, man UDP!
Or not be locked into a contract. If it's the same phone, you could take it to any carrier you like at any time.
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Skripka said:
Yea I'm probably going to the Sprint store and get a subsidized N6...$650-700 is too steep for my checkbook this season.
One is carrier unlocked to start and the other is not. So no it is not "the exact same phone".
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I thought the phone had all the bands though? Since it does, couldn't you buy it on verizon, and essentially just leave the carrier but be forced to pay the remaining price of the phone?
Actually Verizon has all their phones unlocked. And Nexus is going to be boot loader unlocked anyway. Technically there is zero difference between Play Store and Verizon version, the only difference might be Verizon controlling activations via IMEI checks.
Baurblades43 said:
Quick, kind of off topic question.. Why would one buy the N6 from the play store for the full $650 when you can get a subsidized version from Verizon and its the EXACT same phone? Just doesn't make sense to me is all.
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Why? Not everyone does subsidized. I have unlimited so I'll be paying full price
Baurblades43 said:
I thought the phone had all the bands though? Since it does, couldn't you buy it on verizon, and essentially just leave the carrier but be forced to pay the remaining price of the phone?
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Yup you could...or you could serve out your contract and wait for it to expire.
With the new regs regarding unlocking phones I believe that is how it works
Baurblades43 said:
Quick, kind of off topic question.. Why would one buy the N6 from the play store for the full $650 when you can get a subsidized version from Verizon and its the EXACT same phone? Just doesn't make sense to me is all.
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People who are buying it at retail are most likely using the phone on an off-contract plan, which are usually cheaper than their on-contract counterparts.
jasonleb1 said:
People who are buying it at retail are most likely using the phone on an off-contract plan, which are usually cheaper than their on-contract counterparts.
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Gotcha, thank you.
I hope this sparks development and an unlocked bootloader.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/03/moto-maxx-possibly-a-droid-turbo-variant-for-non-us-markets-spotted-on-google/
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The form factor and all the internals look identical to our variant. This is good news.
its beautiful and in spanish! its coming to me.
man can't wait. I really hope this one will support Tmo band, love the specs and the battery life.
Funny thing is, 3 hour SOT in my nexus 5 considered good battery life, while in this beast 6 hours SOT is some kind of "weak"? Wth? This is QHD. I absolutely love this phone despite a lot of hater out there are screaming everyday
I don't see this released to a few countries alone, I'm thinking more likely it will international with broad release but excluding the US. In other words Clove and the rest are going to have it for sale and getting it will be strictly a matter of dropping the plastic. But then again maybe that's just wishful thinking.
The US Droid Turbo works on International networks via GSM, right? So if this one has identical hardware, less branding, it could potentially work on VZW, right?
fury683 said:
The US Droid Turbo works on International networks via GSM, right? So if this one has identical hardware, less branding, it could potentially work on VZW, right?
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Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.
Character Zero said:
Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.
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I was thinking of how the Nexus 6 worked out of the box, even though it didn't really come from Verizon. Not sure how relevant that is in this case, though. It makes sense, but I don't want it to :/
I think this is great news! Even better that it's still on 4.4.4. Hopefully it gets announced and released ASAP.
fury683 said:
I was thinking of how the Nexus 6 worked out of the box, even though it didn't really come from Verizon. Not sure how relevant that is in this case, though. It makes sense, but I don't want it to :/
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No one really knows how Verizon is handling the activation of the Nexus 6. Droid-Life was able to pop a Verizon sim in their review unit and it worked. Maybe Google is giving them all the Id numbers and they are just allowing any Nexus 6 to activate in their network? I guess we will see when someone buys one directly from T-Mobile and see if it makes calls.
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No one really knows how Verizon is handling the activation of the Nexus 6. Droid-Life was able to pop a Verizon sim in their review unit and it worked. Maybe Google is giving them all the Id numbers and they are just allowing any Nexus 6 to activate in their network? I guess we will see when someone buys one directly from T-Mobile and see if it makes calls.
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I'm guessing something similar happened with the Moto X 2013. I bought it from Moto, and it was branded as Verizon. I'd assume Moto told VZW here are all the serials for the VZW XT1060 models. With the Nexus, they may have just given them all of the numbers for all the devices, because I'm guessing you don't specify which carrier you have when you purchase, unless you're doing an upgrade.
Jaocagomez said:
its beautiful and in spanish! its coming to me.
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is portuguese language
Moto Maxx is the global variant of Droid Turbo, if I'm right.
Is it under Lenovo?
Character Zero said:
Not exactly. It would need a CDMA radio. Then it would need to support Verizon LTE bands. And then even if they pulled a Nexus 6, because of the CDMA radio, Verizon would have to allow it on the network, which is doubtful because they want to sell you a Droid Turbo.
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My guess is they just have the full list of IMEIs.
Something tells me the United States is going to be excluded from this. Im sure it can be imported, but thats just going to jack the price up beyond being worth it.
Am hopeful that we get some positive news for us in the UK tomorrow. What time UK is it, about 2pm?
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qwerty12601 said:
Something tells me the United States is going to be excluded from this. Im sure it can be imported, but thats just going to jack the price up beyond being worth it.
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Since the device HAS passed through FCC as IHDT56PK2 (the droid turbo is IHDT56PK1... the PK2 adds in UMTS/AWS = tmobile 3G), one can assume that they do intend to sell it within the US.
The FCC is a US regulatory body, and is only required for importing into the US.
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Since the device HAS passed through FCC as IHDT56PK2 (the droid turbo is IHDT56PK1... the PK2 adds in UMTS/AWS = tmobile 3G), one can assume that they do intend to sell it within the US.
The FCC is a US regulatory body, and is only required for importing into the US.
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Many devices pass through the FCC and don't ever appear from US consumption. While somewhat promising, its not nearly a sure thing.
Verizon may have an exclusivity right on the model preventing it from being sold on other carriers. At least for the time being. But there's been no press about it being released in the united states, so one can on speculate at this point.
Keep in mind that only means it can be legally imported, it does not show intent to sell. Similar processes are followed throughout much of the world and two variants of a GSM phone can cover most of them. There is little reason not to get FCC certification since it is not an expensive or difficult process within the confines of the larger effort involved in global release and one of the handsets will be suitable for use in the states anyway. I'm not saying its not going to happen, I'm saying the filing does not make it a certainty and more than one phone has seen certification without being sold in the US.
Also to the thread in general the spread of possible IMEIs are public record, Verizon need only block out the range specified for a device in order to block it, they do not need specific numbers off individual devices which are not public record.
Both Motorola and Verizon have verified that the pure edition moto x, which is set up for T-Mobile, will work on Verizon as is. That phone is unlockable and rootable. And it would have the added advantage of being eligible for Moto Care protection plan - two year extended warranty covering accidents for $89. If anyone has a reason why this option is not viable please post it here.
Not paying 500$ for a phone..its not that serious
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The T-Mobile version doesn't have CDMA
Good luck getting Verizon to activate that phone....
I've requested the IMEI number for a T-Mobile pure edition, and I'll run it by Verizon and see what they say about activating it.
>>Do you have a citation for this?
I have a recorded conversation with Verizon verifying this, nothing written.
Legacystar said:
The T-Mobile version doesn't have CDMA
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according to verizon, the hardware is the same in both phones, the cdma band just hasn't been activated, and this can be done by verizon. I'm still waiting for an imei number from a pure edition to verify that. If I can't get one, I'll buy a phone and try it. I have at least 7 days to return it for a full refund.
dmm108 said:
according to verizon, the hardware is the same in both phones, the cdma band just hasn't been activated, and this can be done by verizon. I'm still waiting for an imei number from a pure edition to verify that. If I can't get one, I'll buy a phone and try it. I have at least 7 days to return it for a full refund.
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If this works I'll be so bad I paid full price for my Verizon x
PILLMUZIK3600 said:
Not paying 500$ for a phone..its not that serious
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Why not? I don't see it as any different then spending $1000+ on a laptop. These things aren't just phones anymore, they are incredibly powerful handheld computers. $500 for the Moto X is a steal.
dmm108 said:
I've requested the IMEI number for a T-Mobile pure edition, and I'll run it by Verizon and see what they say about activating it.
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I just spoke to a Verizon and Motorola tech support and they both said that the phone will work. However the Verizon tech requested the IMEI number to confirm and I don't have one.
Please let me know if that will really work, because I want to buy a Pure Edition so bad!!!!
Thanks
I'm traveling until the middle of next week, so have patience - I'll be getting to it when I return. I'm committed to trying to put a pure edition on Verizon, at very least as proof as concept, even if I end up just getting another DE.
So is this kind of like the nexus 6 being able to run on Verizon if you throw an already active Sim card in it?
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It doesn't look like the pure edition supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses. You'd only get band 4 in select areas. Also doesn't appear to have a CDMA radio as shown on Motorola's website.
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So is this kind of like the nexus 6 being able to run on Verizon if you throw an already active Sim card in it?
It doesn't look like the pure edition supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses. You'd only get band 4 in select areas. Also doesn't appear to have a CDMA radio as shown on Motorola's website.
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Yes, my old sim card in the pure edition. Also, it seems to me much more likely that the bands are all physically present but selectively disabled in firmware rather than motorola making variations on the phone with different hardware. Which was what they basically verified two different times. So I'll try. Orders are running 11 days out, so it will be a while before I can say if this works or not.
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Yes, my old sim card in the pure edition. Also, it seems to me much more likely that the bands are all physically present but selectively disabled in firmware rather than motorola making variations on the phone with different hardware. Which was what they basically verified two different times. So I'll try. Orders are running 11 days out, so it will be a while before I can say if this works or not.
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So you have a pure on order?
Judging by how you have to put the nexus 6 on Verizon I'd say throwing an already active Sim card in it is more likely the path. I very much doubt a T-Mobile imei will work. Also I was thinking you might need to flash new modem firmware, perhaps the one from the Verizon edition to activate the CDMA radio and band 13, possibly an entire Verizon ROM. Anyone else have this thought?
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Also I was thinking you might need to flash new modem firmware, perhaps the one from the Verizon edition to activate the CDMA radio and band 13, possibly an entire Verizon ROM. Anyone else have this thought?
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Yes, you would likely have to do that. The problem is all of the Verizon Moto X 2014 are bootloader locked so how do you get the Verizon firmware?
Maybe pull it from one of the update files?
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Maybe pull it from one of the update files?
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The OTAs are just patches, not the full firmware. I believe Motorola Device Manager updates are the entire firmware file but I am not sure how you get at them with a bootloader locked phone.
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Both Motorola and Verizon have verified that the pure edition moto x, which is set up for T-Mobile, will work on Verizon as is. That phone is unlockable and rootable. And it would have the added advantage of being eligible for Moto Care protection plan - two year extended warranty covering accidents for $89. If anyone has a reason why this option is not viable please post it here.
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I have pure edition it don't work on Verizon all ready tried it. But I think it would if someone had radio.img to flash
hdtechk said:
I have pure edition it don't work on Verizon all ready tried it. But I think it would if someone had radio.img to flash
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Is there no way to copy the radio image with a locked bl? Should've we be able to read it just not write to it?
Hello and welcome
I started this thread because i want to help all people who has or want this phone to get more Info about carrier and bootloader compatibilities.
Lets start with this:
DROID TURBO / MOTO MAXX
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Little History of the Device
We know as late as mid-August Google was testing a 5.2" 1440p Snapdragon 805 Nexus 6 variant with 3GB RAM, made by Motorola. We saw the leaked benchmarks. After August, all evidence of a 5.2" Nexus 6 model disappeared. Google decided to release only one new Nexus phone, the 5.9" version.
But instead of being released as a Nexus, Motorola released that 5.2" phone as the Droid Turbo (Verizon)/Moto Maxx.
The shared specifications of these devices are the following:
SYSTEM: Near-stock Android 4.4.4 KitKat (TESTING ANDROID L 5.0.2 RIGHT NOW ON MOTO MAXX)
SCREEN: 5.2-inch QHD AMOLED (2,560 x 1,440 pixels, 565 ppi)
PROCESSOR: Quad-core Snapdragon 805, quad-core, 2.7 GHz, Adreno 420 GPU
RAM: 3 GB
INTERNAL MEMORY: 32/64 GB
BATTERY: 3,900 mAh
QI WIRELESS CHARGING
QUALCOMM CHARGE 2.0 UP TO 8 HOURS OF BATTERY CHARGING IN 30 MINUTES
CAMERA: 21 MP (rear), 1.3MP (front)
CONNECTIVITY: LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0, USB 2.0
DIMENSIONS: 73.3 x 143.5 x 11.2mm (Ballistic Nylon)/73.3 x 146.5 x 10.6mm (Metalized Fiber)
WEIGHT: 176 g (Ballistic Nylon)/169 g (Metalized Fiber) 184 g
PRICE: $599.00 USD (base model)/ $8999.00 MXP
USES NANO SIM CARD
CARRIER AND BOOTLOADER COMPATIBILITY
So if you are on USA my advice its to get an US MOTO MAXX to get unlocked bootloader, root and LTE compatibility on major carriers.
WHERE TO GET DROID TURBO/MOTO MAXX
DROID TURBO: http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/droid/
US MOTO MAXX: (sellers recopilation by chazzmatt) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197
INTERNATIONAL MOTO MAXX and MOTO TURBO: Int Moto maxx its currently being sold on Mexico, Puerto Rico, Brasil, Chile and india, you can look for it in motorola's page for each country ( motorola.com.mx , motorola.com.br , motorola.com.pr, motorola.com.cl )
I think its pretty Clear in this table which version of moto maxx and droid turbo work in each carrier and if they can be unlocked or not, if you have any questions about this please post.
Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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Moto maxx has been finally released on the Mexican carrier TELCEL i saw it yesterday on a store hope more people get to know this awesome device
I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.
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I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.
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because the xt1250 runs mostly on CDMA networks by small carriers on USA, and beign carrier unlocked, works with verizon, about the bootloader, i trust the guy who said that he was able to unlock the bootloader according to motorola's unlocking site, but he did not want to because warranty issues, and if one model can be bootloader unlocked all can
I hope device come for more countrys
Does anyone know if any of the small carriers that have the xt1250 will allow you to purchase and ship the phone from a place outside of their local network? (For example I'm in Texas and would use it on Verizon)
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CARRIER AND BOOTLOADER COMPATIBILITY
Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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Thank you, @Jaocagomez.
The only additional info I would add is:
1) Chile is also one of the Latin American countries where the XT1225 is sold. Was released there after Brazil, Mexico, Puerto Rico.
http://www.motorola.cl/consumers/view-all-mobile-phones/Moto-Maxx/moto-maxx-cl.html
2) It's worth repeating that all the Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo models are "Quark" Motorola phones with identical hardware specs (display, resolution, RAM, cameras, CPU, GPU, turbo charging, Qi wireless charging, battery, etc), except for internal memory storage (32GB or 64GB). The "international" XT1225 only comes in 64GB with ballistic nylon back.
3) The U.S. XT1250 "Moto Maxx" and XT1254 "Droid Turbo" are identical except for carrier-specific software -- both have CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands. They both have the same FCC ID number. The "Droid Turbo" is just the Verizon "Moto Maxx" with a locked bootloader. ("Droid" is a name licensed to Verizon by LucasArts which they can slap on any phone they wish. Verizon chose to call their locked down version Droid Turbo, instead of Moto Maxx.)
4) The XT1225 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 even though the official specs only list 2, 3, 4, 7, 17. When it passed through the FCC it had LTE band 5 (used on AT&T), and QPST/nv browser shows it's still there and enabled. But since the XT1225 was aimed primarily at the Latin America market, where LTE band 5 is not used, Motorola left it off the specs listing. Apple did something similar with the iPhone in 2012, having TWO extra LTE bands enabled that were not mentioned in the "official" specs.
The XT1225 has a different FCC number from the XT1250/XT1254.
5) All the XT1225 phones sold in all the various countries are the same. They all have the same FCC ID number. Why did the XT1225 go through the FCC? Because Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory. Listing an FCC number on a phone in Brazil or Mexico doesn't carry the force of law in the U.S., but listing it on the XT1225 in Puerto Rico does carry the force of law for Motorola. But since it's listed on ALL the XT1225 boxes, wherever sold, it's the same phone across all countries.
6) For people wanting to buy the XT1225 in the 50 states of the USA, you can try eBay or Swappa. There were several Puerto Rico dealers selling them. It's U.S. territory and can be shipped via U.S.P.S. Priority Mail with tracking number. Just make sure they unlock the phone for you or provide the unlock code, as in Puerto Rico the Moto Maxx is only sold in Claro stores not through the Motorola website.
My Mexico Moto Maxx XT1225 was bought straight from Motorola Mexico website (through the help of @Jaocagomez) and came unlocked for all carriers from the factory, but my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx XT1225 was unlocked by the eBay dealer who shipped it to me. Otherwise would have stayed locked to Claro.
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Just a follow up. It looks like Thumb will sell you a phone and ship outside of their area. You have to buy it at full price, and they will not offer you a return on it, so the sale would be final.
Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.
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Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.
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That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut already-activated micro SIM card down, if you don't already have a nano size.
Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help
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Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help
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The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx would be better for AT&T. Has all the AT&T LTE bands. Official specs say LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17 but really has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. AT&T uses 2, 4, 5, 17.
eBay or Swappa is your friend.
Here's some recent speeds on AT&T GoPhone with one of my two XT1225 Moto Maxx phones:
ChazzMatt said:
That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut ssn already activated micro card down, if you don't already have a nano.
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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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I'm also assuming the phone from Thumb is 32GB correct? I've reached out to several of those carriers as well and have not identified one that sells a 64GB XT1250. I also have not confirmed that one exists!
btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
Whew that's a lot
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rayjr13 said:
btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
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With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.
sklarskyj said:
With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.
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Just got this email so it doesn't even matter:
What does that mean for you? As of 3/31 your Softcard app will no longer work. You can continue to use the Softcard app until 3/31. After that your Account will be closed.
Wonder if we get another OTA to remove the app.
It would be so cool if the phone had LTE band 20 enabled.
I'm hoping Moto will release another phone at some point that is not close to 6" and supports band 20
i hope some mod can sticky this thread, there were like 30 threads in Q&A and general asking this information
timmyk465 said:
I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?
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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?
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I ended up waiting cause I wanted to make sure everything would work, but never really saw anyone that got into detail what they could and couldn't do with the phone.
Then they released mofo, so I'm just getting it from Verizon now I think.
So since the new droid turbo has this has a toggle under developer options you think we will see any root love? Its not supported on Motorola's website but maybe its just because its so new? or maybe it just followed over from another variants software? what do you all think?
The turbo 2 will maybe get root but I will bet my life it won't see an unlocked bootloader. It's a Verizon phone. They lock their phones down hardcore
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Yeah my only regret from switching back from at&t two years ago lol but at&t sucks where I live so grin and bear it.. I was just surprised when I saw that toggle under developer options...
This phone is packed with bloat but I was glad to see it will let you uninstall the games at least.
gfrrt said:
This phone is packed with bloat but I was glad to see it will let you uninstall the games at least.
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It is when you fire it up but within 10 minutes I had that bloat turned off or disabled
I saw a lot of reviews complaining about the bloat but its esily dealt with
I agree definitely not as bad as some of my other phones
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
Droid turbo 2 still isn't listed as supported
Might be later on though. This is still a brand new device.
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Might be later on though. This is still a brand new device.
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Probably just sharing software with Moto X Force which this will be called overseas. I am sure that version will be able to have an unlocked bootloader.
007shark said:
Probably just sharing software with Moto X Force which this will be called overseas. I am sure that version will be able to have an unlocked bootloader.
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Lets hope so. This phone with custom software would be even better than it already is.
I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.
Aravindtop said:
I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.
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The Motorola link I posted earlier states that you can get a pin from motorola to unlock the bootloader but will have to agree to voiding your warranty.
Except the Turbo 2 isn't on the list, and never will be... So that link doesn't mean much to us...
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Considering if you do a Ctrl+F on the page and type "Verizon" the only hits on the page you'll get are for developer edition models, I wouldn't think they're going to suddenly decide that this phone should be allowed to be bootloader unlocked.
Aravindtop said:
I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.
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ALL the Quarks (U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, International Moto Maxx XT1225, Moto Turbo XT1225) had unlock-able bootloader and root, except for the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Because Verizon told Motorola to lock it down.
But if you wanted root on that device, you had to buy the phone's twin -- the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It had identical FCC ID, was the EXACT SAME DEVICE as the Droid Turbo -- but bootloader could be unlocked and rooted. Many people bought it to run it on Verizon. It runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM, just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
There were two Quark devices released under THREE model names. Kinzie will be the same, in that there will be a U.S. non-Verizon version available... Wait for the regional CDMA/LTE carrier version, unlock it and run it on Verizon...
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TWO MOTOROLA QUARK PHONES -- RELEASED UNDER THREE MODEL NAMES
The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same bands as the Droid Turbo XT1254. Has the same FCC ID. The only difference is the XT1250 has an unlock-able bootloader. It's basically the dev version of the Droid Turbo. One of the best LIES Verizon ever foisted on the public is that the Droid Turbo was "exclusive". Only the Droid part of the NAME was exclusive -- because they own the rights to that name. Not the DEVICE, nor even the "Turbo" part of the name was exclusive. The EXACT same device, with exact same bands, exact same FCC ID is being sold by a dozen other carriers IN THE U.S.A.
The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE) is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. Both the "International" XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names: Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
(Moto stock ROM for the XT1225 is still Lollipop 5.0.2 -- but we've had custom Lollipop 5.1.1 ROM for several months, even before Verizon finally released 5.1.0 for the Droid Turbo XT1254.)
Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader. The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
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The two FCC IDs associated with the Kinzie are:
* IHDT56UA1 (Droid Turbo 2) < this will be the same FCC ID for the U.S. non-Verizon variant.
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2690015 (lists Verizon LTE band 13)
* IHDT56UA2 (international Moto X Force)
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
Motorola is only required to list the GSM/HSPA/LTE bands used by carriers in the U.S. in their specifications to the FCC. Of course, we know the Moto X Force has many, many more LTE bands than those listed in that letter. It's only important so you can track the FCC ID. (Last year, Motorola did not list all the LTE bands the XT1225 Moto Maxx had, even in their official specs -- until they released the identical XT1225 Moto Turbo in India. THEN, then finally listed all the HSPA/LTE bands we had already found. )
Just like with last year's Quarks, Motorola swears all the Kinzies are identical in specs except for CDMA/LTE differences:
https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
So, based on this, we should be able to buy a Force and enable it to use the SW locked out LTE & CDMA bands required to make it fully functional on VZW?
Where to buy the unlockable turbo 2 having CDMA bands ??
asuhoops8628 said:
So, based on this, we should be able to buy a Force and enable it to use the SW locked out LTE & CDMA bands required to make it fully functional on VZW?
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Hmm...same question here.
aneeshmbabu said:
Where to buy the unlockable turbo 2 having CDMA bands ??
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Its not out yet. It is called the Moto X Force. We do not know for sure if it has these CDMA bands, but based on the info posted above, it should, since the FCC filing basically is certifying it as identical to the DT2, which has CDMA bands. Basically, our DT2s should also have the international GSM bands as well, but the SW locks them out.
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Hmm...same question here.
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I am thinking of picking a Force up on Swappa when it comes out and trying to get it unlocked and running on vzw. If not, I will prob just switch to T-Mobile. I am tired of VZW locked down phones. I love moto, and since they are no longer doing DEs, this is my only hope.
EDIT: I have reread this post a bunch of times. It looks like there is a solid chance that the Force WILL NOT have CDMA bands, but WILL have LTE band 13?