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Thread on sending moto maxx from mexico to your country:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/dro...ion-coming-t2922398/post56726486#post56726486
Trying Again! will keep you posted
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I just saw on this sites that on wednesday next week, Motorola Brasil will present a phone very similar (if not the same) than the Droid Turbo, so i'll keep my fingers crossed.
i dont speak portuguese but its so similar to spanish that i can translate it to: ''you are a invited for a technological experience without limits''
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GSM ARENA ARTICLE said:
The new Motorola Droid Turbo garnered great interest but as a Verizon-exclusive it felt out of reach. Now Motorola is sending out invites for a November 5 event to announce a global rollout. The invite doesn't call out the device by name but the corner of the back shows Droid Turbo's characteristic Ballistic Nylon back.
Rumors are for a name change to Moto Maxx, resurrecting the Maxx brand, which is associated with some of the most long-lasting batteries in the smartphone history.
It's a fitting name too, the Droid Turbo packs a 3,900mAh battery, which can soak up 8 hours' worth of battery life in just 15 minutes thanks to the Turbo Charger. Other specs include one of the sharpest displays yet, a 5.2" QHD AMOLED, a Snapdragon 805 chipset and a 21MP/2160p camera. Check out our hands-on for more details.
Motorola has already filed for a "Moto Maxx" trademark in the US and is planning a Brazil announcement, so the phone should see a proper global rollout, including alternative US carriers.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/a_global_ve...turbo_to_be_unveiled_in_brazil-news-10075.php
http://pocketnow.com/2014/10/29/international-droid-turbo?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Looks like we are getting it after all!
Edit:
Its official, we have a international droid turbo called Moto maxx!
http://www.motorola.com.mx/consumers/mobile-phones/Moto-Maxx/moto-maxx-mx.html
Now that would be cool....for us.... And profitable for Motorola....So why they shouldn't??
Just saw this myself and was going to post it. I'm totally sold assuming no weirdness happens to the phone (gets neutered, 3G only, etc) on the way to market.
I was just about to post something about liking the Turbo phone but not a Verizon client. Not even in the US.
This would be a much worth it upgrade from the Moto X. The Moto X is prettier that's for sure, but the processor power, and power management (battery and rapid charging) are totally worth it.
Moto x has rapid charging fwiw!
Let's analyse this a bit further:
This phone is a flagship killer for the following reasons:
The most powerful processor so far
Great screen
Great battery life
Good size for a phone
Great Camera
Front facing speaker
Great user experience:
It's also safe to assume that all the software features are shared (driving mode, touchless controls, assist, etc...
Losing the Verizon branding also indicates that the bloatware is gone, delivering a closer to Vanilla Android experience as ever. This also means that the phone will get updates much earlier than branded version (theoretically)
Not so great:
No expandable memory, no SD slot
Can look better
Doesn't have the Moto X curved back, which once you experience, you feel really awkward holding other phones in your hand.
Lack of front facing dual speakers
Size and weight (a trade-off for exceptional battery life)
Capacitive buttons (and for many reasons):
Android L comes with a different button icon set, means the current capacitive buttons are going to be outdated
I prefer having (and I do add using GravityBox) a menu button at the far right
Phone space wasted even though it frees up more room on the screen
If they add the SD support, improve the look, get it curved, add dual facing speakers, remove capacitive buttons and get it a little bit smaller (even if it means a smaller screen maybe 5 inch) in my opinion this would be THE PERFECT phone.
How is that for a phone review?
I agree about the cap buttons, I greatly prefer to setup an old school four button setup which obviously cant be done with the capacitive unless I want to give up screen real estate or go to pie etc. Still this phone is about the only one that captures my interest right now and I need something new cause the phone slut in me is crying out for something new. I just read that the Moto Maxx name has been trademarked in the US btw so that makes it likely that it will have the right freqs for Tmo and/or AT&T even if it doesn't see carrier release. And further implies (I think) a global release. They claim such here... http://www.gsmarena.com/a_global_ve...turbo_to_be_unveiled_in_brazil-news-10075.php
It's very optimistic, however, Motorola is known for late strategic moves. Moto X price has been reduced dramatically after a few months of its launch and this is when -according to what I know- the value and popularity of it went way up.
Also I am expecting some legal restrictions in the Motorola-Verizon agreement that might (or might not) make this international version launch come later, or with different (maybe lower) specs, or overly priced.
I hope it comes out tomorrow and with an affordable price (following Motorola's new affordability strategy,) but hey, the world we live in is not a perfect one.
ITS ****ING COMING TO MEXICO!
**** YEAH!!!!!!
i dont have to import this one.
invitation in spanish from motorola mexico: ''we invite you to meet our best hidden secret''
same day, november 5
OMG im so excited!
LOOOOL, bought the Moto X 2nd gen 1 month ago....and now, sellling...hahahah
definitily ill buy Droid Maxx!!!!, its coming to Brazil!!, 5th November!!!
tasty_boy said:
LOOOOL, bought the Moto X 2nd gen 1 month ago....and now, sellling...hahahah
definitily ill buy Droid Maxx!!!!, its coming to Brazil!!, 5th November!!!
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I would really wait for the announcement first on the 5th before selling the Moto X.
Einstein_eg said:
It's very optimistic, however, Motorola is known for late strategic moves. Moto X price has been reduced dramatically after a few months of its launch and this is when -according to what I know- the value and popularity of it went way up.
Also I am expecting some legal restrictions in the Motorola-Verizon agreement that might (or might not) make this international version launch come later, or with different (maybe lower) specs, or overly priced.
I hope it comes out tomorrow and with an affordable price (following Motorola's new affordability strategy,) but hey, the world we live in is not a perfect one.
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I wouldn't rule out a neutering either which is why I mentioned it above. Still I think there is hope, Motorola got in deep with Verizon because they needed them when they were on the long slide down but this is no longer the case. Nor am I sure Verizon really cares all that much since the vast majority of people wouldn't know the new "droid" and it's international counterpart where the same thing. For this reason I'm hoping if it is restricted it will only be carrier release in the US but admittedly that's in part due to wishful thinking.
I am hoping for it myself, I just don't want to have that much high hopes, so that I don't get greatly disappointed pessimistic view I know. Hope is there though, I agree. The fact is the droid turbo is winning card, hopefully Motorola is "allowed" to use it, and Verizon can be a little forgiving.
Kiwironic said:
I am hoping for it myself, I just don't want to have that much high hopes, so that I don't get greatly disappointed pessimistic view I know. Hope is there though, I agree. The fact is the droid turbo is winning card, hopefully Motorola is "allowed" to use it, and Verizon can be a little forgiving.
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its almost sure that we will get it, first with the FCC and now with these worldwide annoucements, next week we will know.
Hoping for a UK launch! This (apart from the capacitive buttons) is better for me than the Nexus 6.
Are we there yet?
Really hoping that I can get this in Canada or import it in Canada for 800$.
Kiwironic said:
Let's analyse this a bit further:
This phone is a flagship killer for the following reasons:
The most powerful processor so far
Great screen
Great battery life
Good size for a phone
Great Camera
Front facing speaker
Great user experience:
It's also safe to assume that all the software features are shared (driving mode, touchless controls, assist, etc...
Losing the Verizon branding also indicates that the bloatware is gone, delivering a closer to Vanilla Android experience as ever. This also means that the phone will get updates much earlier than branded version (theoretically)
Not so great:
No expandable memory, no SD slot
Can look better
Doesn't have the Moto X curved back, which once you experience, you feel really awkward holding other phones in your hand.
Lack of front facing dual speakers
Size and weight (a trade-off for exceptional battery life)
Capacitive buttons (and for many reasons):
Android L comes with a different button icon set, means the current capacitive buttons are going to be outdated
I prefer having (and I do add using GravityBox) a menu button at the far right
Phone space wasted even though it frees up more room on the screen
If they add the SD support, improve the look, get it curved, add dual facing speakers, remove capacitive buttons and get it a little bit smaller (even if it means a smaller screen maybe 5 inch) in my opinion this would be THE PERFECT phone.
How is that for a phone review?
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You forgot to mention that it has wireless charging. This is a big selling point for me since I have a Nexus 5 and was the main reason I wasn't going to get a Moto X. With such a large battery it's perhaps not necessary on the Turbo, but since I'm using a new Nexus Qi charger as my car's dash mount, I really didn't want to lose that.
Nastybutler said:
You forgot to mention that it has wireless charging. This is a big selling point for me since I have a Nexus 5 and was the main reason I wasn't going to get a Moto X. With such a large battery it's perhaps not necessary on the Turbo, but since I'm using a new Nexus Qi charger as my car's dash mount, I really didn't want to lose that.
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To be honest, that was deliberate. My understanding is that Wireless charging is SLOOOOOOW, so freaking slow.
Think of how "Normal" charging is so slow compared to the phone's turbo charge, then think of even slower than that. Once you go turbo charge, you won't be able to come back.
See my point?
Oh by the way, it's the 5th of November here in New Zealand, but I guess I will have to wait another day or two.
Remember remember the 5th of November.
Update:
Hey guys,
Here are some good news:
Source: http://www.gsmarena.com/moto_maxx_international_droid_turbo_smiles_for_the_camera-news-10120.php
More:
Moto Maxx Confirmed As Droid Turbo International Version To Be Launched On November 5 In Brazil
Moto Maxx, the international version of Droid Turbo appears
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this is so disappointing, i mean this was supposed to be motorola flagship all along. this is typical of last year's events.
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sherif2015 said:
courtsey of @upleaks
this is so disappointing, i mean this was supposed to be motorola flagship all along nstead of the pure. this is typical of last year's events.
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If you means the Droid Turbo 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark was for our phones.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
Even though I'm in the U.S. I own TWO "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx, as they have unlock-able bootloaders, REAL root, TWRP, and now 4 custom ROMs. I run them on AT&T. Google's phone (from Motorola) was too freaking huge, so I bought two of the Quarks.
Looks like Google is going to disappoint again this year with the Nexus phones. Rumors are Google is downscaling to 5.7", but still that's too big. Whereas, I loved the Quark (5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6).
ChazzMatt said:
If you means the Droid Tubro 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
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Is this the first time a 5.4 in display has been used?
Don't believe I've seen one before.
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ChazzMatt said:
If you means the Droid Tubro 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
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i meant being on verizon and not the main flagship that is sold unlocked out of the box
i know verizon is LTE unlocked. but the software updates will have to be sanctioned by verizon plus the bloatware.
sherif2015 said:
i meant being on verizon and not the main flagship that is sold unlocked out of the box
i know verizon is LTE unlocked. but the software updates will have to be sanctioned by verizon plus the bloatware.
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Oh, that's not an issue. The Droid Turbo was NOT exclusive to Verizon last year. That was just a marketing LIE.
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 had the same FCC ID, same exact device. People on this forum bought and unlocked bootloader, rooted. They even run them on Verizon with Verion LTE SIM card. If you NEED Verizon, or you NEED LTE band 13, then buy the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
XT1225 sold internationally as the Moto Maxx or Moto Turbo was same device but no CDMA and slightly different mix of LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17). No bloatware and Verizon is not involved in any way. We now have 4 custom 5.1.1 ROMs for the XT12225, the latest being Resurrection Remix, the first being CM12.1. Unless you NEED Verizon or LTE band 13 or CDMA, then buy the XT1225.
This year, the Moto X Force -- NOT sold by Verizon -- will probably have even more LTE bands. With unlock-able bootloader, full root, etc. Just like the XT1225.
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Leraeniesh said:
Is this the first time a 5.4 in display has been used?
Don't believe I've seen one before.
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I'm very curious how accurate the leaks are on this aspect. Here's why... The X Play is 5.5" 1080p. Rumors are saying this Bounce is 5.43" 1440p. I'm wondering if it's actually the same size display?
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...la_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-play-we
Basically going to be an X Play with higher specs, same as the 2014 5.2" Quark was the 2014 5.2" Moto X with higher specs.
ChazzMatt said:
Oh, that's not an issue. The Droid Turbo was NOT exclusive to Verizon last year. That was just a marketing LIE.
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 had the same FCC ID, same exact device. People on this forum bought and unlocked bootloader, rooted. They even run them on Verizon with Verion LTE SIM card. If you NEED Verizon, or you NEED LTE band 13, then buy the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
XT1225 sold internationally as the Moto Maxx or Moto Turbo was same device but no CDMA and slightly different mix of LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17). No bloatware and Verizon is not involved in any way. We now have 4 custom 5.1.1 ROMs for the XT12225, the latest being Resurrection Remix, the first being CM12.1. Unless you NEED Verizon or LTE band 13 or CDMA, then buy the XT1225.
This year, the Moto X Force -- NOT sold by Verizon -- will probably have even more LTE bands. With unlock-able bootloader, full root, etc. Just like the XT1225.
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yeah man i know that. and to get it you have to search on ebay for it whereas the new x pure is sold on amazon and bestbuy. also the part about ROMs, honestly, i am not into flashing roms every day like i used to except when it is a samy device. c my point?
sherif2015 said:
yeah man i know that. and to get it you have to search on ebay for it whereas the new x pure is sold on amazon and bestbuy. also the part about ROMs, honestly, i am not into flashing roms every day like i used to except when it is a samy device. c my point?
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No, I guess I don't see your point. ANY Droid named phone is going to be sold by Verizon and be locked down.
So, what were you hoping for? A Droid named phone sold straight from Motorola? Motorola doesn't own the rights to the name. I guess I'm misunderstanding, because there's NOTHING special about the name. You can get the same phone under a different name.
Even the Moto Maxx XT1225 is on Amazon. Unlock-able bootloader, etc.
It would help if you tell me exactly what you want. Are you on Verizon and want to stay on Verizon? Because half the people on this forum bought the XT1254 Droid Turbo who do not use Verizon and actaully hate Verizon, but use the phone on AT&T, T-mobile, and even in other countries. REALLY, they should have bought the XT1225 Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx. They don't need CDMA, they don't need LTE band 13...
But if you are on Verizon, then I guess you want something like the Moto X Pure but with slightly higher specs? You want CDMA and LTE band 13?
Moto X Pure Edition wireless bands:
UMTS GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (800, 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40, 41)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
Then you have two choices...
Either get the U.S. regional carrier version (like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 was identical to the Droid Turbo XT1254) of the phone. Wonder what they will call it?
or go with the larger of the 2015 Nexus phones. It will also be 5.7", Snapdragon 810, it will have Verizon's bands, and be unlock-able. Just made by Huawei -- another Chinese company, not Lenovo/Motorola.
Pretty lackluster upgrade which just goes to show how great of a phone our Turbo is. My points...
SD810 is not much of an upgrade over our 805.
We still have a bigger battery.
RAM is probably DDR4 compared to DDR3 in ours but the extra bandwidth really isn't as big of an issue with us.
I'd much prefer our 5.2" display over a larger version.
Camera will be marginally better.
Yeah, maybe it will be able to have the bootloader unlocked sooner but I am more than content with Moto's Vanilla build + some root goodies. But looking purely at specs...our OG Turbo is going to stay relevant all the way until the wave of SD820 phones hit.
ChazzMatt said:
I'm very curious how accurate the leaks are on this aspect. Here's why... The X Play is 5.5" 1440p. Rumors are saying this Bounce is 5.43" 1440p. I'm wondering if it's actually the same display?
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...la_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-play-we
Basically going to be an X Play with higher specs, same as the Quark was the 2014 Moto X with higher specs.
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The Play (Maxx 2) has a 5.5" 1080p screen, while the Force (Turbo 2) has 5.4" 1440p. Nice that both have large batteries (3630, 3760).
I wish that Moto would do for the Play and Force like they did for the Pure: sell a Verizon-compatible unlocked model via their site/Amazon/Best Buy/etc. The large screen and small battery kill the Pure for me. :/
pjd2011 said:
Pretty lackluster upgrade which just goes to show how great of a phone our Turbo is. My points...
SD810 is not much of an upgrade over our 805.
We still have a bigger battery.
RAM is probably DDR4 compared to DDR3 in ours but the extra bandwidth really isn't as big of an issue with us.
I'd much prefer our 5.2" display over a larger version.
Camera will be marginally better.
Yeah, maybe it will be able to have the bootloader unlocked sooner but I am more than content with Moto's Vanilla build + some root goodies. But looking purely at specs...our OG Turbo is going to stay relevant all the way until the wave of SD820 phones hit.
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EXACTLY.
and if I have to upgrade to larger display, 5.4" is preferable over 5.7". I will NEVER have a phone that big. These phone manufacturers need to realize while we wanted larger, HD displays there is a LIMIT. Many people want phones -- not 5.7", 5.9" phablets. 5.1" -5.3" is the sweet spot. If I wanted a Galaxy Note size phablet, I would have bought it.
I'm selling a 2015 5.5" LG G4 I won ( a free phone!) because overall it's not better than my 2014 XT1225. (Although I wish my Quark had the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers...)
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The Play (Maxx 2) has a 5.5" 1080p screen, while the Force (Turbo 2) has 5.4" 1440p. Nice that both have large batteries (3630, 3760).
I wish that Moto would do for the Play and Force like they did for the Pure: sell a Verizon-compatible unlocked model via their site/Amazon/Best Buy/etc. The large screen and small battery kill the Pure for me. :/
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5.5" and 5.4" are just other people's information. I'm asking how accurate is that information, especially the "Bounce" rumors? That's my point. Strange Motorola would make a unique size display size for one model. That' NOT manufacturing efficiency, and Motorola would NOT do that if they are smart.
Look at last year.... Both the 2014 Moto X (1080p) and 2014 Quarks (1440p) were 5.2" for a reason. Motorola could use the same equipment to cut, manufacture them. They were both built on the same framework. I'm guessing the X Play and "Bounce" will use the same paradigm.
I wonder when the phone is actually released if that display size isn't really the same as the X Play? Is the X play really 5.5" -- or did they round up from 5.4-something to call it 5.5"? Just like the 2013 LG Nexus 5 is REALLY 4.95" -- but most people just say 5"? Understand?
Display/monitor/TV manufacturers are allowed to round up fractions. 24.5" becomes 25" in the official specs. 59.5" becomes 60" all the time. Just because Motorola SAYS the X Play has 5.5" display doesn't mean it's REALLY a full 5.5".
I'm speculating the "Bounce"/X Force/Droid Turbo 2 will turn out to be the same size display as the X Play, but still with slightly larger battery. Already some sites are specifying 5.43" -- not 5.4". Well, 5.43" is LARGER THAN 5.4". We are getting into 5.5" range... Just like the X Play -- which may not be full 5.5".
i am skipping moto x force for sure.
ChazzMatt said:
EXACTLY.
and if I have to upgrade to larger display, 5.4" is preferable over 5.7". I will NEVER have a phone that big. These phone manufacturers need to realize while we wanted larger, HD displays there is a LIMIT. Many people want phones -- not 5.7", 5.9" phablets. 5.1" -5.3" is the sweet spot. If I wanted a Galaxy Note size phablet, I would have bought it.
I'm selling a 2015 5.5" LG G4 I won ( a free phone!) because overall it's not better than my 2014 XT1225. (Although I wish my Quark had the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers...)
5.5" and 5.4" are just other people's information. I'm asking how accurate is that information, especially the "Bounce" rumors? That's my point. Strange Motorola would make a unique size display size for one model. That' NOT manufacturing efficiency, and Motorola would NOT do that if they are smart.
Look at last year.... Both the 2014 Moto X (1080p) and 2014 Quarks (1440p) were 5.2" for a reason. Motorola could use the same equipment to cut, manufacture them. They were both built on the same framework. I'm guessing the X Play and "Bounce" will use the same paradigm.
I wonder when the phone is actually released if that display size isn't really the same as the X Play? Is the X play really 5.5" -- or did they round up from 5.4-something to call it 5.5"? Just like the 2013 LG Nexus 5 is REALLY 4.95" -- but most people just say 5"? Understand?
Display/monitor/TV manufacturers are allowed to round up fractions. 24.5" becomes 25" in the official specs. 59.5" becomes 60" all the time. Just because Motorola SAYS the X Play has 5.5" display doesn't mean it's REALLY a full 5.5".
I'm speculating the "Bounce"/X Force/Droid Turbo 2 will turn out to be the same size display as the X Play, but still with slightly larger battery. Already some sites are specifying 5.43" -- not 5.4". Well, 5.43" is LARGER THAN 5.4". We are getting into 5.5" range... Just like the X Play -- which may not be full 5.5".
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The Play's specs are already confirmed because the Play is already out. It's confirmed to have a 5.5" screen, a 1080p display, SD615, 2GB RAM, etc. It is a clear upgrade to the Droid Maxx, screensize opinions not-withstanding. SD615 + 1080p +2GB RAM are midrange specs nowadays.
The rurmored Force (Turbo 2) specs are all also an upgrade, or the same as, the Turbo 1 sans the battery size. SD810 + 1440p display + 3GB RAM are all higher-range specs.
I guess it's possible that the screen sizes might be the same (5.43" could be an error, but that's a really specific error), so they might use the same digitizer if the phone's front designs are the same, but the resolutions are totally different. Due to the different pixel densities, they would not be able to use the same LCD screen. Unless Moto makes a very, very odd move to downgrade the Force (Turbo 2) to 1080p from the Turbo 1's 1440p.
So no OIS right? I really like few things Moto does but its honestly so annoying when companies like HTC, Moto etc despite repeated yearly issues and consumer complaints does not improve and implement technology when most others are doing so to the point of it being considered standard.
gauravahluwalia said:
So no OIS right? I really like few things Moto does but its honestly so annoying when companies like HTC, Moto etc despite repeated yearly issues and consumer complaints does not improve and implement technology when most others are doing so to the point of it being considered standard.
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Especially since Google made them put rear camera OIS in the for the Moto Nexus 6. So, you know Motorla can do it.
moto x play its 5.5'' fits perfectly on the hand and its almost nothing bigger than moto maxx, you have to try it, i might post pictures.
Re: Unbreakable "bad" display
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...oid-turbo-2-will-have-an-unbreakable-display/
Report: Verizon Will Get A US Exclusive On The Moto X Play As The 'DROID Maxx 2,' DROID Turbo 2 Will Have An 'Unbreakable' Display
The report doesn't mention any specifics of the design or specs aside from this: the phone is expected to use a POLED display, an organic-LED screen design with a plastic substrate. This design was most notably used in LG's G-Flex phones, where the plastic properties allow the screen to be curved to a more extreme degree than conventional tempered glass or Gorilla Glass. The marketing spin on this will apparently be that the DROID Turbo 2's screen is "unbreakable." It's worth noting that POLED displays tend to carry noticeable drops in image quality compared to LCD and OLED.
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So I just got a turbo from Verizon. Would it be worth it to return it (I have 13 more days to do so) and wait until October or November when they release the turbo 2? The specs don't look that much different but the prospect of buying a phone that will have its successor available within a month of my purchase has me feeling off...
That's the head game that they play, it doesn't seem worth it to me.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...oid-turbo-2-will-have-an-unbreakable-display/
Report: Verizon Will Get A US Exclusive On The Moto X Play As The 'DROID Maxx 2,' DROID Turbo 2 Will Have An 'Unbreakable' Display
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If they put a POLED display like the ones used in G-Flex or G-Flex 2, it will look like ****e for sure. POLED is the worst display type i've seen in any mobile phones until now, that include departments like color accuracy off, yellow spots like sperms in random places, grainy images and texts, overall lower brightness..It have a big chance of bringing the infamous mura effect of the older generation oled displays as well as low refresh rates which causes the images follow itself like a shadow.(remember old crt tv's ) I hope motorola doesn't put bad a bad poled display like lg used in their g-flex series. It was a very bad experience compared to Droid Turbo's fantastic display.
I've had my turbo for about 5 months now. Bought it from a friend for 120 . orange ballistic nylon edition. I recently had the new phone bug bite me. So I started searching for a new device.. Note 5, nexus 6 and 6p, lg g4, lg v10, iPhone 6s ,s7 , been looking for something new.. Truth is last night I was on my way to buy s7 edge and turned around and went home . why should I ditch this turbo now?.. With cm13 I'm extremely happy at the performance and battery life. So no new phone for me for a while .. Anyone felt the same way?
I would consider leaving this phone for the moto nexus 6. And the only reason is for massive development. Other than that. No I would not trade it off.
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The Quark is almost perfect combination of size and specs. The only phone absolutely better right now would be the Samsung Galaxy S7, if you could unlock bootloader and fully root.
The 2014 6" Moto Nexus 6 was just too big. Even Google realized that and made the 2015 Nexus 6P smaller. But I don't want a phablet even 5.7". (I also want Qi wireless charging, which this year's Nexus phones do NOT have.)
And I want a top tier phone with 1440p and at least 3GB RAM. So, that leaves out the mid-tier Nexus 5X with 1080p and 2GB RAM. Google should realize we want a reasonable size phone (5.1" - 5.3") with TOP TIER SPECS. If Google made a Nexus phone like this:
current Snapdragon chipset
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display
at least 3GB RAM
at least 64GB internal memory
turbo charging
Qi wireless charging
large battery
stereo speakers
rear camera OIS
unlock-able bootloader, root
I would buy two or three of them. The Motorola Quark had enough of that wish list (see bolded) I bought THREE of them instead of the Nexus 6. Google's loss.
Yeah, the Quark no longer has current Snapdragon, but the Snapdragon 805 is still fast enough -- plus the other features I can't find all in one phone.
The only thing Motorola could have done better with the Quark is give us the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers the Moto Nexus 6 had. For the price they charged ($700 for the XT1225), I don't know why they left that off. I still bought two at that price, for me and my wife. I later bought a third XT1225 to have a backup, but the price had dropped to almost half by then.
If Motorola had remedied that shortcoming with Quark successor Kinzie (2015 Droid Turbo 2, Moto X Force), I would have upgraded to those phones. But they didn't.
This is the first phone I'm keeping for at least two full years. Amazing.
juggamonkey said:
I've had my turbo for about 5 months now. Bought it from a friend for 120 . orange ballistic nylon edition. I recently had the new phone bug bite me. So I started searching for a new device.. Note 5, nexus 6 and 6p, lg g4, lg v10, iPhone 6s ,s7 , been looking for something new.. Truth is last night I was on my way to buy s7 edge and turned around and went home . why should I ditch this turbo now?.. With cm13 I'm extremely happy at the performance and battery life. So no new phone for me for a while .. Anyone felt the same way?
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Have you had any cell connection issues with CM13? I had them with 12.1. Ended up having to use Verizon's repair tool to get cell service back.
mrkhigh said:
I would consider leaving this phone for the moto nexus 6. And the only reason is for massive development. Other than that. No I would not trade it off.
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I actually moved from the Nexus 6 to the Droid Turbo don't get me wrong I love the Nexus 6 but at the end of the day the turbo fits better in my hand even though I have large hands and could manage the nexus 6 but I still prefer the turbo size any day... and far as development goes really now a days all are pretty much the same with minor tweaks when I had my Nexus it seems like I was flashing a new ROM every 3 days but nothing really ever changed so I decided to stick with the pure Nexus ROM and that was really close to stock and after everything is said and done I just want something that I can tweak and works like cm13 for my turbo
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Have you had any cell connection issues with CM13? I had them with 12.1. Ended up having to use Verizon's repair tool to get cell service back.
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No service issue here everything has been stable except no volte which was expected
Unless skrilax keeps this device longer than the average user, my guess is the nexus six will far outlive our device. Don't get me wrong I like this size too but the reality is nexus in Dev life is typically > than others.
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I gave my wife my gray/orange ballistic nylon Turbo last fall and got a G3. I enjoyed that phone for a while but ended up getting another Turbo this time in black kevlar. Wish I could get my orange one back but the wifey isn't giving it up. Not sure what's next on my list, maybe the new HTC 10.
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The Quark is almost perfect combination of size and specs. The only phone absolutely better right now would be the Samsung Galaxy S7, if you could unlock bootloader and fully root.
The 2014 6" Moto Nexus 6 was just too big. Even Google realized that and made the 2015 Nexus 6P smaller. But I don't want a phablet even 5.7". (I also want Qi wireless charging, which this year's Nexus phones do NOT have.)
And I want a top tier phone with 1440p and at least 3GB RAM. So, that leaves out the mid-tier Nexus 5X with 1080p and 2GB RAM. Google should realize we want a reasonable size phone (5.1" - 5.3") with TOP TIER SPECS. If Google made a Nexus phone like this:
current Snapdragon chipset
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display
at least 3GB RAM
at least 64GB internal memory
turbo charging
Qi wireless charging
stereo speakers
rear camera OIS
unlock-able bootloader, root
I would buy two or three of them. The Quark had enough of that list I bought THREE. Google's loss.
Yeah, the Quark no longer has current Snapdragon, but the 805 is still fast enough -- plus the other features I can't find all in one phone.
The only thing Motorola could have done better with the Quark is give us the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers the Moto Nexus 6 had. For the price they charged ($700 for the XT1225), I don't know why they left that off. I bought two at that price. I later bought a third XT1225 for backup purposes, but the price had dropped to almost half by then.
If Motorola had remedied that shortcoming with Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2, Moto X Force), I would have upgraded to those phones. But they didn't.
This is the first phone I'm keeping for at least two full years. Amazing.
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Your post is basically 100% in every facet and detail. EXACTLY how I feel
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Your post is basically 100% in every facet and detail. EXACTLY how I feel
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One thing on the wish list, which I went back and added was "large" battery. When owning the gen3 Galaxy Nexus and gen5 Nexus 5, the one thing I HATED was the puny batteries Google put into those phones!
I find it hilarious the 5.2" Moto Quark has a BIGGER battery than the 6" Moto Nexus 6 (Shamu). 3900 mAh vs 3200 mAh. I appreciate Motorola put a large battery into this phone, whereas last year for the Samsung Galaxy S6 that manufacturer went SMALLER than the S5. It was a huge mistake, and for the S7 they increased the battery size. Consumers are NOT demanding smaller batteries!
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Most of you already know this, but posting again for newbies doing research:
There are basically two Motorola Quark devices (two different FCC IDs), sold under three model names: Droid Turbo, Moto Turbo, Moto Maxx. All have the same hardware, but different radios. The Motorola Quark was basically the Moto Nexus 6 (Shamu) in a 5.2" size. In fact, as late as mid-August 2014, Google/Motorola was testing a 5.2" Shamu variant. We saw the leaked benchmarks... But Google decided on the 6" whale, which was a mistake. I bought the Quark instead.
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5.2" Moto Maxx vs massive 5.96" Nexus 6
Motorola obviously re-purposed the 5.2" "Shamu" variant as the "Quark" -- Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, changed the camera and gave it a BIGGER battery. Still, a lot of the hardware specs remains the same as the Nexus 6.
Same manufacturer (Motorola),
same CPU/GPU (Snapdragon 805),
same RAM (3GB),
same resolution (1440p),
same "turbo" charger
same Qi wireless charging.
Same 64GB internal storage as the 64GB version of the Nexus 6.
Bigger battery than the Nexus 6, even though a smaller phone!
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Droid Turbo XT1254 (sold by U.S. carrier Verizon; 32/64GB internal memory)
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"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (64GB internal memory)
Moto Turbo XT1225 (sold in India, but identical to Moto Maxx XT1225)
I live in the U.S. but have THREE "international" XT1225, as it has ALL the U.S. carrier AT&T LTE bands (2,4, 5, 17), plus all the Brazil LTE bands (3, 7) when I visit Brazil (my wife is Brazilian).[/FONT]
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I've enjoyed my Turbo so far. Bought a new 32 GB (they didn't list a 64 GB version) black ballistic nylon version in November, to replace my Droid RAZR M as my daily driver.
Five months in, I still haven't flashed CM to it, but I gladly paid for Sunshine and unlocked the bootloader a couple of weeks after the beta release. So I'm still sitting on stock Lollipop, rooted and with a tethering "bypass".
I continue to enjoy the phone, and using it side-by-side with my RAZR M (which is now a WiFi-only device that gets used primarily as a music player) really shows how much of a beast the Turbo is. The RAZR M still runs out of power after ~2 hours of SoT, while the Turbo is still kickin' with similar usage; and, of course, the Snapdragon 805 and 3GB of RAM absolutely beats the pants off of a Snapdragon S4 with 1 GB to its name.
My only regret about the phone is that I wish it had a microSD slot, so that I wouldn't need to rely on my RAZR M (or a better LTE plan) to carry around my music.
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I've been thinking about getting one of those memory dongles for the micro USB port. Just for music.
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Where is the marshmallow update for this phone
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Where is the marshmallow update for this phone
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There's two Marshmallow custom ROMs for this phone, CM13 and Resurrection Remix.
If you mean stock Motorola Marshmallow, there was soak test in Brazil for the XT1225 Quark. Presumably it's still going on? But that's a LONG soak test. Or Lenovo/Motorola is waiting for Verizon to sign off on the XT1254 update before releasing Marshmallow for all Quarks.
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There's two Marshmallow custom ROMs for this phone, CM13 and Resurrection Remix.
If you mean stock Motorola Marshmallow, there was soak test in Brazil for the XT1225 Quark. Presumably it's still going on? But that's a LONG soak test. Or Lenovo/Motorola is waiting for Verizon to sign off on the XT1254 update before releasing Marshmallow for all Quarks.
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thanks for the reply friend. Thing is i am waiting for the stock rom. since most of the mid range phones of motorola got the new update, i feel pity to use a beast like moto turbo with lollipop.
Only thing I'd trade in for would be the new HTC 10. Very, very attractive device and an unlockable bootloader!
My Droid Incredible and M7 were by far my best phones. Great design and even better developer support. Hell, I'd still be rocking my M7 if the cameras and battery life was just a bit better.
Still, I agree with all the above. I bought the Droid Turbo knowing damn well that this phone would get me through two years and it most definitely will and then some!
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Only thing I'd trade in for would be the new HTC 10. Very, very attractive device and an unlockable bootloader!
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If only the HTC 10 had Qi wireless -- which it can't with the metal body. It did catch my interest for a few minutes, however.
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Only thing I'd trade in for would be the new HTC 10. Very, very attractive device and an unlockable bootloader!
My Droid Incredible and M7 were by far my best phones. Great design and even better developer support. Hell, I'd still be rocking my M7 if the cameras and battery life was just a bit better.
Still, I agree with all the above. I bought the Droid Turbo knowing damn well that this phone would get me through two years and it most definitely will and then some!
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HTC went on record saying that “certain models may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions.” So if you want the Verizon model, there's a 99.999999% chance the bootloader will be locked. Hopefully there will be a local carrier XT1250-esque case that can get around this. It is a sweet looking phone though. If Sense wasn't so ugly, I might consider it, but I'm in no hurry to drop my Turbo.
Edit: It looks like the home screen has a fairly stock-ish layout. Interesting...will HTC become the new Motorola?
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If only the HTC 10 had Qi wireless -- which it can't with the metal body. It did catch my interest for a few minutes, however.
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I thought the S6 and S7 both supported wireless charging with their metal bodies?
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I thought the S6 and S7 both supported wireless charging with their metal bodies?
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They do support Qi. My sister has an S6.
But for both the LG G5 not having Qi and the HTC 10 not having Qi, the reason stated was due to the all metal bodies. I don't know how Samsung does it.
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They do support Qi. My sister has an S6.
But for both the LG G5 not having Qi and the HTC 10 not having Qi, the reason stated was due to the all metal bodies. I don't know how Samsung does it.
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Samsung gs6 and gs7 have glass backs with metal bands around the body. Qi works fine thru glass.
Posted in the other Quark forum, but I know some of you don't even know where that is...
This is to discuss the Droid Turbo 3/Moto Z Force coming at the end of the year.
The 2015 Kinzie was a disappointing successor the Quark. It didn't fix what was wrong and added something not needed.
There will be a "Droid Turbo 3" in the 4th quarter, as well as international variant -- just like the last two years. Don't know the code name yet, but here's hoping they don't mess it up. This new ZTE Axon 7 is very much what I hope the "premium" top tier end of year phone will be...
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Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).
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Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent?
I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup.
It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.
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I agree about the Moto Z design. It's like they stuck a postage stamp fingerprint sensor at the bottom with crazy glue.
For the Moto Z Force/Droid Turbo 3, I'm hoping they will keep the 1440p AMOLED display and fix what was deficient in the 2014 Quarks, not what was not. In the 2015 Kinzie they did not add rear camera OIS nor stereo speakers, but instead added that gimmicky plastic display thingy -- which actually picked up MORE scratches.
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ZTE AXON 7 - specs and hands on review
http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-hands-694960/
Read the specs (below) on the new ZTE Axon 7.
1440p AMOLED display. Snapdragon 820. Tons of LTE bands. Rear camera OIS, stereo speakers. In-display fingerprint sensor! (NOT just stuck at the bottom to take up space.)
Comes with either 4GB RAM/64 GB or 6GB RAM/128GB configuration. Both have microSD expansion. $450 for the minimum configuration. Unbelievable.
Add Qi wireless, IR sensors, 4000 mAh battery and that's the phone I want to be the Moto Z Force.
Lots of other great stuff -- on screen fingerprint sensor (not one that takes up space at the bottom of the phone), and a dual sim card slot for people who travel a lot. Just needs Qi wireless charging, bigger battery, and IR sensors.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11765102/zte-axon-7-specs-price-launch
The new phone has Qualcomm's highest-end processor, 4 or 6GB of RAM, a quad HD AMOLED display, metal chassis, quick charging, and a new dual-speaker system with Dolby surround sound. You might expect to pay upwards of $600 or $700 for a device with those specs, but ZTE says the new phone will cost under $500 when it arrives in the US in the coming weeks.
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http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/zte-axon-7-1322212/review
And while it has enough bands to support all US phone networks, it'll only work with AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards for now. Verizon and Sprint compatibility is due "possibly later in the year," resting in the hands of the two CDMA carriers to flip the switch. All of the antennas are inside - this isn't just a GSM phone.
The good news here is that it's packed with 64GB of internal storage and will cost $449 (about £340, AU$691). You won't have to deal with a pesky two-year (or any) contract for that price.
ZTE Axon 7 review
There's also a 128GB ZTE Axon 7, which includes the company's own take on a "Force Touch" display, an always-on screen and 6GB of RAM. That makes it faster than the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge
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SEE? Lenovo, you can do this for the 2016 "Moto Z Force"/Droid Turbo 3!
I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
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I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy [emoji14] is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
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I am very impressed by that ZTE Axon 7, especially the 6GB RAM/128GB variant with Force Touch display.
If only it had Qi wireless charging, I might even forgo the bigger battery.
I don't need no stinkin' add on modules Lenovo is trying to foist on us in the "Moto Z" line! Just make the phone good enough to begin with! It's like a car manufacturer saying, "Oh, you want a steering wheel with that?" "Oh, you want tires with that?" The 2014 Quark just needed a couple of items like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers to match the Moto Nexus 6 in specs. And it was already the perfect size and had 1440p AMOELD display with IR sensors. Motorola was SO close! I don't know why they can't see that.
LG's add-on modules are also silly, and they dropped Qi wireless from the G5. And I was big LG fan.
So, I will wait for end of the year and see what Lenovo manages to do with end-of-year phone -- as well as look at the Nexus models.
But Google screwed up the last two years, so I'm not confident. First, in 2014 Google went WAY too big, and then for 2015 they dropped Qi wireless. Samsung has Qi wireless, it's like they are the only ones with sense! I don't care if you have fast plug in charging -- it's not either/or, you can have both!
I may be keeping the Quarks until 2017...
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
Inside is a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 32GB of storage, a 12MP rear camera, a MicroSD card slot, NFC, wireless charging, and a 5.1-inch quad HD screen - all of which match the vanilla Galaxy S7. The "Active" upgrades add a shatter-resistant screen, IP68 and MIL STD 810G ratings for water, dirt, and temperature resistance, and an FM tuner. An "Activity Key" can be bound to a selection of apps based on hold and tap patterns. The physical home button, flanked by two physical nav buttons, hides a fingerprint sensor.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
monza1412 said:
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
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I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
Raistlen0 said:
I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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also ZTE has rear carmera OIS. If the Samsung has it, I overlooked it.
BUT, the Samsung has the missing Qi wireless charging and 4000 mAh battery the ZTE needs.
If Motorola can combine all that into one phone, that would be perfect.
ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZDNET is trying to get hold of a ZTE Axon 7 for review, so we'll see...
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Indeed, there are other nice smartphones from China, such as the recently announced ZTE Axon 7 (which we hope to have in-house shortly).
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OR look at the Vivo Xplay 5 Elite... It just topped the speed tests on Antutu for May, 2016.
Top 10 fastest smartphones: Surprise! Apple and Samsung are nowhere near the top
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-10-fastest-smartphones-list-contains-some-unexpected-surprises/
Interestingly, the top three smartphones are all powered by the Snapdragon 820 chipset, and have 6GB of RAM, while the top four are all from Chinese manufacturers.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/viv...-ram-snapdragon-820-dual-edge-display-677287/
The Vivo Xplay 5 specs also include the Snapdragon 820, 128 GB of internal storage and a 5.43-inch QHD dual-edge Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S7.
The Vivo Xplay 5 features a metal unibody design, fingerprint scanner, fast-charging 3,600 mAh battery and Hi-Fi 3.0 dual stereo speakers (with FM radio, even). With a specs sheet like this and a price tag around $650, you have to ask yourself: did Vivo just make a cheaper Galaxy S7 Edge?
The answer is likely “no” but you do have to be impressed with the Xplay 5 on paper. Of course, history and experience has shown us time and time again that you can’t trust a trust a specs sheet to predict real-life performance
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So, they echo your concerns about Android optimization. :good:
But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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Don't forget IR sensors
well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
The Moto Z Force uses the same specifications and basic design as the Moto Z, but it adds on the "Shattershield" technology from the DROID Turbo 2, a larger 3500mAh battery, and proprietary fast charging that can (according to Lenovo) add 15 hours of runtime with just 15 minutes of charging. The Z Force is compatible with MotoMod accessories, but it can also be customized on Moto Maker like the older Moto X series.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
Just few snap-on modules, like projector, or external stereo speakers, and they bring that Ashton Kutcher (looking as SJ) saying "we reinvented smartphone's platform" :laugh:
Well, let's wait reviews of real-world usage this thing.
Moto X Force Droid Edition, not "Droid Turbo 3"
So, no "Droid Turbo 3" -- instead Moto Z Force Droid Edition, with an UNLOCKED Moto Z Force to be sold at retailers like Best Buy.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force-hands-on_id82031
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No pricing or release dates were offered at Lenovo Tech World, but with flagships packing new goodies typically come flagship prices. The new Moto Z series will be a Verizon exclusive in the US at launch this summer, carrying on the Droid line-up for Big Red as the Moto Z Droid Edition and Moto Z Force Droid Edition. Later in the year, Motorola says that unlocked models will be available for sale through retailers like Best Buy
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10409/motorola-moto-z-and-moto-z-force
The "unlocked" version will be sold at retailers like Best Buy in the fall. So, we in the U.S don't have to go another country to get them (like Quark and Kinzie). THAT's when the dev work will begin, when the unlockable bootloader versions come out. Wonder if they will also have Verizon bands?
At least there won't be arguments over XDA forum names -- it will be Moto Z Force, not matter what.
I'm very surprised the premium Moto Z Force is being announced this early in the year. The last two years Motorola released it 4th quarter, after all the suckers bought the regular Moto X phones with lesser specs.
Has laser assisted autofocus rear camera with OIS. Good.
However looks like the only way to get Qi wireless charging is to buy the add-on extended battery pack mod? BAD. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi charging and they just are not mentioning it yet. Yet, with the extended battery pack (with Qi) you would have 3500 mAh + 2200 mAh = 5700 mAh battery.
Motorola Has Four Moto Mods Ready To Launch Alongside Moto Z, More Coming Later
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...s-ready-launch-alongside-moto-z-coming-later/
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Motorola's Incipio offGRID Power Pack seems like the most appealing Mod. It adds a 2200mAh battery and 6.2mm of thickness. There's a standard and wireless charging version of this battery that weigh 79g and 85g, respectively. The wireless version works with both Qi and PMA pads.
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https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-offgrid-power-pack
Also the "shatter shield" is much improved and not as gimmicky as last year's Kinzie.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/09/moto-z-and-z-force-hands-on/
And unlike the Droid Turbo 2 (which, by the way, survived being run over by my car), the ShatterShield setup here doesn't seem to require a thick plastic screen protector anymore.
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well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
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Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.
Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Exactly. I just can't justify any phone besides a Nexus due to lack of software updates, security concerns, and general lack of support. We have great devs and I have enjoyed moto hardware, but honestly the majority of the dev community is with nexus and nexus hardware has progressed substantially from the old galaxy nexus days lol. In the Android world, only the nexus devices are actually receiving the OEM support an essential piece of technology deserves.
I'll be moving to a Nexus in the fall, but I've had a good run on xda since the og droid. Maybe Lenovo and the rest of the OEMs will get their act together someday.
I think that the key point of this crap its going to be price. Don't forget that they are late to the game (as every year), even the first phones to arrive will be Verizon exclusive, so hopefully they will release their unlocked version in the middle of the new nexus hype window...
yep, good luck with that lenovo.
Hm, seems like Lenovo won't kill Moto X family...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-dead-moto-z-provides-a-different-experience/
Any thoughts on the one plus 3? I think it looks gorgeous..
Anxiously waiting for reviews.
EDIT:
I started this thread in April 2017 and went through year waiting for and then eliminating phones that could replace my beloved Quark, without losing any features like QHD (1440p) OLED, Qi wireless charging, and 3.5mm headset jack. While also GAINING features that have become de rigueur for premium Android phones, like IP68 dust/water resistance and fingerprint sensor.
I also wanted to be able to root the phone to keep total control. By the end of the 2017, the only phone that met those requirements (for me in the U.S.) and also was aesthetically pleasing was the open market LG V30 US998. The Exynos Galaxy Note 8 was just too large.
The LG V30 was not even on the original list below, but the LG G6 was... and it failed. The end-of-year LG V30 was what the LG G6 SHOULD have been. It's a more refined version of the LG G6.
I may keep this thread going to discuss 2018 phones, but they will have to beat the Quark while also competing with the excellent LG V30...
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NEW Phones to replace 2014 Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx)?
FIVE PHONES TO WATCH IN 2017
There's NOTHING on the market right now or even in the past two years that is better than the 2014 Quark, in my opinion. The LG G4 and ZTE Axon 7 came close. So, I am waiting for NEW phones to come out.
I have three 64GB XT1225 -- two daily phones running RR 6.X and one still new in the box. I've come up with a list of 5 phones coming out later this year to watch, to see if they are worthy of replacing my daily Quark phone... Skip to the bottom if this is too long to read. But I explain my criteria.
I've had the Quark since December 2014, when I bought two in the same month, and then spring of 2016 I bought a 3rd Quark to be emergency backup (still new in the box).
During that time I had a couple of LG G2 phones I had as backup but when I bought the 3rd Quark, I sold those on eBay. I even won FREE a new 2015 LG G4 from AT&T in a contest, and sold it NEW IN THE BOX (but added a Qi wireless charging back cover I ordered from Europe, so it was even better than new). That 2015 LG G4 (with the Qi wireless functionality) was actually the closest replacement phone I've found for the Quark. But that was the money I used to buy the 3rd 2014 Moto Maxx XT1225.
My point is, each year since 2014 I've looked at various flagship phones and for one reason or another they don't match up to what I have now.
2016 ZTE Axon 7 came very close.
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5.5" AMOLED (exactly same Samsung panel in the Google Pixel XL, has same part number)
Google Daydream VR certified
64GB/4GB RAM ($400, now $357) or 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) -- both with microSD card
award-winning DAC
headset jack
front-facing stereo speakers
frame designed by BMW
20MP camera with rear OIS
bootloader unlock on request and has root, custom ROMs
For Verizon users, CDMA bands and Verizon VoLTE (on stock Nougat and LOS 14.1)
WOW. So, why not? No Qi wireless charging. Plus reports ZTE's firmware could be better. The custom ROMs are almost fixed, but in the beginning couldn't even access the award-winning DAC. Audio was all messed for months on the custom ROMs. But you could still root and run stock.
I wish Google had bought 1 million of these, slapped on their software and sold them as the Google Pixel XL. I seriously would have considered buying it, but the lack of Qi wireless is still a deal killer.
2016 Google Pixel XL.
Bezels too big for no reason. No Qi wireless charging. Google has lost their sense of direction. I owned two of the gen3 Galaxy Nexus and two of the gen5 LG Nexus 5. Ever since the WHALE 2014 Moto Nexus 6 (which I refused to buy), they have lost their sense of what mainstream smartphone users want. A 5.2" - 5.5" updated version of the Moto Nexus 6 would be PERFECT. UPDATED Snapdragon chipset, Qi wireless, QuickCharge 4.0, 1440 AMOLED, headset jack, etc. -- but in a reasonable size.
2016 Moto Z Force
Verizon exclusive. No headset jack. Crappy mods to make you pay for what should already be in the phone -- particularly stereo speakers, Qi wireleless charging, larger batteries. Except you can only use ONE mod at a time.
2016 Moto Z
No headset jack. Crappy mods to make you pay for what should already be in the phone -- particularly stereo speakers, Qi wireless charging, larger batteries. Except you can only use ONE mod at a time.
2016 LG G5
Crappy mods. Even crappier than the Moto Z series.
2017 LG G6
No Qi wireless for international models. No DAC/bigger storage for U.S. models. LG messed up. Make ONE phone with premium specs for the entire world!
2017 Galaxy Samsung S8
Very interesting. Specs are good. Has Qi wireless charging, 1440p AMOLED. Exynos variants have already been rooted and has official TWRP and ROMs. But I'm going to wait until 2nd half of 2017 to see what else is coming...
WHAT ELSE IS COMING THIS YEAR?
Here's FIVE phones to keep your eyes on.
This list below is in order of increasing likelihood -- with the bottom two being VERY interesting.
5 - 2017 Google Pixel 2
Probably still won't have Qi wireless or headset jack... Because Google is stupid.
4 - 2017 OnePlus 5 reportedly will have 1440p AMOLED. I'm not buying a 1080p phone, not since having 1440p since 2014. And any phone I buy has to have Qi wireless charging. I'm also concerned about OnePlus proprietary "Dash Charge" since I have many, many QuickCharge chargers. I'm NOT throwing those away.
3 - 2017 ZTE Axon 8
What could ZTE do to improve their almost perfect ZTE Axon 7 specs? Add Qi wireless charging.
What else could they do? Improve their firmware.
So, let's see what they do!
2 - 2017 Nokia 9
The Nokia 9 is expected to feature the following, key specs:
5.5-inch QHD OLED Display
Snapdragon 835, Adreno 540
22 MP Dual-Lens Carl-Zeiss Rear Camera
6 GB RAM
64 GB / 128 GB storage
12 MP FFC
3800 mAH Battery
Qualcomm Quick-Charge 4
Iris Scanner
Finger-Print Scanner
Nokia OZO Audio Enhancements
IP68 certification
Android 7.1.2 Nougat
Will run STOCK Android. Will it have Qi wireless? I'm very curious about this phone.
1 - 2017 Moto Z2 Force
5.5" 1440p AMOLED
headset jack
Snapdragon 835
Reportedly the Moto Z2 Force will NOT be a Verizon exclusive. Will be sold by all the major U.S. carriers and internationally. Also Motorola is ADDING BACK the headset jack. This still leaves the mods... But you could add a "battery pack" mod which also adds Qi wireless charging. Yes, you are paying $70-$80 for the larger battery and Qi wireless which should already be in the phone. But the final result would be basically an updated Quark.
Leaked renders of Moto Z2 Force
You have that camera hump, but the battery pack mod evens it out.
One of the Qi wireless 2,200 mAh extended battery pack mods for the 2016 Moto Z series. They are also guaranteed to fit the 2017 Moto Z2 series. Adds battery capacity AND Qi wireless charging functionality.
Last year's Moto Z Force (the Verizon exclusive with the missing headset jack) had a 3,500 mAh battery. If the Moto Z2 Force has same battery capacity, then adding this 2,200 mAh battery pack mod would give you 4,700 mAh battery capacity!
Any international variants would have probably have bootloader unlocked on request, just like now.
#1 and #2 are the best bets, with #3 right behind them (depending on Qi wireless).
I'm not buying anything right now. There's no rush, and nothing out there right now (LG G6, Galaxy S8) are compelling enough that I can't wait to see what develops by end of the year.
IF I don't buy anything this year (my wife and I are in the process of adopting two children, but can't say anything more about that for now), perhaps NEXT year's LG G7 will have AMOLED display? Reportedly LG promised almost their entire supply for this year to Apple, which is why the LG G6 still has LCD. And perhaps LG will realize the folly of regionalized specs (Qi in U.S., with DAC/more storage for Asia). Maybe NEXT year LG will produce a FANTASTIC PHONE for the entire world.
Honestly, if I had the money, I would replace my Quark with a OnePlus 3T. I won't give up the possibility of using custom ROMs with devices with uncertain development capability. Still, I am very happy with my Quark (which will soon turn 2 years old), even though its speaker is busted (it sounds like crap).
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Honestly, if I had the money, I would replace my Quark with a OnePlus 3T. I won't give up the possibility of using custom ROMs with devices with uncertain development capability. Still, I am very happy with my Quark (which will soon turn 2 years old), even though its speaker is busted (it sounds like crap).
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I just can't downgrade to 1080p and give up Qi wireless charging. Also the OnePlus 3T has the proprietary "dash charge". I have many QuickCharge wall-plug chargers as well as dual port car chargers. I also have several Qi wireless charging pads. I'm not throwing those away.
To me OnePlus is a company who is almost "major" league like LG, Samsung, Motorola -- but not quite. When they offer a phone with at least 1440p AMOLED, I'll know they are serious. All the "major" companies have offered 1440p since 2014 -- Motorola wasn't even the first. LG did it in early 2014 with the LG G3.
There's at least a dozen "budget" Chinese companies releasing 5.5" 1080p slabs. Look at the specs of the OnePlus 3 or even OnePlus 3T vs the ZTE Axon 7. ZTE stood out by offering top tier specs for the same budget price. The ZTE Axon 7 on paper makes OnePlus 3T look like a loser. Comparing all the hardware specs. Where ZTE lost is their firmware, but usually that can be fixed with custom ROMs.
ChazzMatt said:
The ZTE Axon 7 on paper makes OnePlus 3T look like a loser.
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Well, the OnePlus 3T has a better processor, bigger battery and much better community support.
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Well, the OnePlus 3T has a better processor, bigger battery and much better community support.
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Not much better processor, 821 vs 820 only because it's updated version of the OnPlus 3 (820). If ZTE had released a end-of-year update, it too would be 821.
You are comparing a newer phone (November 2026) to an older phone (May 2016).
And slightly bigger battery for the 3T, 3400mAh v 3250mAh (Axon 7). The original 3 had 3000 mAh (June 2016) which is SMALLER than the AXON 7. And the original 3 had the same 820 as the AXON 7.
The other Axon 7 hardware specs still blow OnePlus 3 or 3T away.
OnePlus 3T vs OnePlus 3 vs ZTE Axon 7
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...us-3,ZTE-Axon-7/phones/10313,10017,10068?ft=2
(they don't list it but there's also a 128GB/6GB RAM ZTE Axon 7 model for U.S. now)
Why didn't amateur OnePlus put in 1440p or fantastic DAC with front facing stereo speakers in their 3T "update"? 534ppi vs 401 pppi.
All top tier phones by LG, Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Huawei, etc have 1440p. Even Apple is going to 1440p AMOLED this year! Until you have that, you are mid-tier spec only. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014 and I'm NOT going to downgrade to 1080p.
Maybe ONEPLUS will step up and deliver top tier specs with the OnePlus 5. We'll see.
That Nokia 9 though, unfh. I like the look of it more than the probably-vaporware Droid 3 renders.
...unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be GSM-only, which sadly still isn't an option where I live. No Verizon CDMA+LTE, no deal : \
Regarding wireless charging, apparently the holdup for a while was that manufacturers were moving towards metal case backs, which kind of gets in the way. Qualcomm announced way back that they had solved the problem, but I guess they never actually did anything with what they figured out.
Given that metal backs are SO yesterday and glass backs are the current fad, I expect that wireless charging will make more of a comeback in the coming year.
I wonder if it's possible to grab the wireless coil from a US LG G6 and stick it into an international version, to get the best of both worlds...I would expect they use a similar, if not the same, mainboard.
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it looks like it's going to be GSM-only, which sadly still isn't an option where I live. No Verizon CDMA+LTE, no deal : \
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Well, ZTE made an effort with their Axon 7 phone to include CDMA, because they were making a big push into U.S. market. Verizon VoLTE even works with Axon 7. But CMDA is the dinosaur that will go extinct. For companies wishing to make a quick splash on world markets, they can safely ignore CDMA.
You may not know this, but LTE is actually GSM/HSPA based technology. Which of course is why all LTE phones now have SIM cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)
In telecommunication, Long-Term Evolution (LTE) is a standard for high-speed wireless communication for mobile phones and data terminals, based on the GSM/EDGE and UMTS/HSPA technologies.
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So, GSM won. CDMA lost. Even Verizon and Sprint has switched to it, by going to LTE and to VoLTE. The problem is they have to keep their "legacy" CDMA towers running -- for now -- for fallback protection. But at some point in time, CDMA will disappear entirely.
Verizon has said they will shut down their 2G CDMA network by end of 2019 and their 3G CDMA network by end of 2021. This has been long planned by Verizon:
Aparna Khurjekar, who was at the time Verizon's vice president of global strategy for M2M, told FierceWireless in 2012 that the carrier planned to shutter its 2G and 3G CDMA networks by 2021.
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Last year, Verizon announced their 2G CDMA will actually shut down by end of 2019. They have not yet given a firm date for the 3G CMDA shutdown, except for that prediction back in 2012. But they will shut it down. Here's why:
Verizon said in April (2016) that fully 92 percent of its wireless traffic traveled over its LTE network. Verizon is also refarming its 3G, CDMA EV-DO spectrum for its LTE network.
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That was a statistic from a year ago. Surely that percentage is even higher now.
In November 2015, Verizon even made a prediction which has not yet come true:
In November (2015), Verizon CFO Fran Shammo said the carrier is looking to introduce LTE-only handsets “probably more to the end of 2016.”
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Well, they haven't done that yet. But they are aggressively looking to do it! So, with Verizon LTE-only phones, you won't even get CDMA from Verizon! Once they introduce LTE-only phones, then it's just a matter of attrition. Getting customers to upgrade to the newer phones in such number that they can then petition the FCC to shut down even 3G CDMA.
In 4 years, everyone will own different phones than they do now.
2G CDMA is being shut down end of 2019, and 3G CDMA shutdown goal is end of 2021. That 3G CDMA date is not set in stone, but Verizon wants to shut it down. AT&T has already shut down their 2G GSM network end of last year.
In India, there's already an LTE-only carrier called Jio. That's the future -- LTE only.
And for me, if I wish to import phones from other countries like the Moto XT1225 with the easily unlocked bootloader or even the Exynos variant Galaxy S8 with the easily unlocked bootloader, having a GSM/HSPA/LTE carrier like AT&T is fantastic. I'm NOT buying the S8, but I seriously considered it for a few weeks. If I did, it would NOT be the U.S. model which is bootloader locked, but the international Exynos variant. But for Verizon users, they have no choice. The Exynos variant doesn't have CDMA.
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That Nokia 9 though, unfh. I like the look of it more than the probably-vaporware Droid 3 renders.
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Yeah, that was disappointing, that Motorola went with the Moto Z Force instead of Droid Turbo 3/Moto X Force 2. They made the Moto Z Force be Verizon-only (except for reportedly a Chinese model which doesn't have U.S. LTE bands) and then the regular Moto Z was very blah (at least for me) with missing headset jack.
Well, "Nokia" has been reconstituted by former managers of the old Nokia mobile division who have now licensed the name under a new company "HMD" they created. They are getting FoxConn to manufacture their designs --same way Apple gets FoxConn to manufacture their designs for iPhones. They announced the first phones they will release this year, the Nokia 3, 5, 6. They started with "affordable" phones for first batch of releases early this year, and insiders say by end of the year they will release two top-tier phones, reportedly the Nokia 8 and Nokia 9. Yes, those have not been officially announced, but it seems logical with their strategy. Start with the small stuff, build to the big. They are also working with Google to get fast updates over stock Android.
HMD, then, looks as if it is trying to turn its Nokia phones into Nexus-style devices with fast updates, clean, bloatware-free software and aggressive pricing.
“Most of the smartphones in the market do not have the Android OS in the way it should be,” said HMD Global’s vice president for the Middle East and North Africa Per Ekman.
“Vendors are adding a skin on top of the OS. Consumers have the right to have the latest version of the OS, and we will be pushing the latest version and the patches as soon as it is available from Google.”
“We and Google will jointly enhance the Nokia brand to put the right kind of inputs into the phone, including Google Assistant,” he said. (That "Google Assistant" thing was announced back when it was still Pixel-only.)
This is a rather interesting niche in the Android space, now that Google’s Nexus phones are gone, as it is something no one is really exploiting. OnePlus competes on price, but not updates, for instance, so by going this route and doing it successfully, Nokia could find itself in a very good position in 2018/19.
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The bottom tier and mid tier phones will be released to Western markets by end of 2nd quarter: 720p/1080p and Snapdragon 4XX/MediTek type stuff. Of the three (Nokia 3, Nokia 5, Nokia 6), the Nokia 6 mid-tier so far is the best -- with stereo speakers and Dolby, 64GB internal memory with 4GB RAM, microSD card, and other stuff. But it's only running Snapdragon 430. You would think they would at least go Snapdragon 6XX? Otherwise the other hardware specs are impressive for that category. Anyway, $300, if ordered from UK.. May also come to U.S. for around $250? But I'm not interested. However, might be something I would buy for my mother!
The top tier models (Nokia 8 and Nokia 9) will be the requisite 1440p and Snapdragon 8XX, of course. But then what other specs besides that? Well, they SAY they want to compete with Apple iPhone and Samsung, and by that time not only has the S8/S8+ been released, but the Note 8 will be coming.
The Nokia 8 has enough substantiated "rumors" -- if that's possible? -- it has a listing in GSMArena:
NOKIA 8 RUMORED SPECS
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8522
5.7" 1440p LCD, STEREO SPEAKERS, etc.
Where the Nokia 9 differs is 1440p AMOLED. Here's similar listing for the Nokia 9 on competing site PhoneArena:
NOKIA 9 RUMORED SPECS
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Nokia-9/phones/10486?ft=2
Part of this is actually "knowable". What do other major manufacturer flagship phones (Samsung, LG, Motorola, Sony, HTC, Huawei) have, what's out there on the market right now, who are you trying to compete with?
So, yeah, you're going to have 1440p, Snapdragon 835 (unless Qualcomm releases a newer version by July). You're going to have USB 3.1, Type-C 1.0 reversible connector.
But are you going to be SMART and also put in a headset jack -- or stupid and leave it out? Motorola left it out last year, realized their mistake and are putting it back in. LG and Samsung left it in.
Are you going with the edge-to-edge displays? I think you have to since the LG G6, Samsung S8 and even the new iPhone 8 will have that. If you have any bezels at top or bottom, them put them to use with front-facing stereo speakers!
Are you going with Qi wireless? Or you can't because you have metal unibody? The Nokia phones seem to use metal, unless they change that for their top tier phone?
Point is, it's the mixture of the features and price point that differentiate phones. There's too many "me too" phones. I put ALL the 5.5" 1080p phones into that category including the OnePlus 3 and 3T.
"ME TOO" PHONES
Have you ever heard of the Sharp Z2 Android phone? How about the Asus Zenfone 3? or BLU Vivo 6? or LeEco Le S3? Or some of the Xiaomi models? There's a dozen more I could list. All you need to know is they are 2016, 5.5", 1080p phones.
They all have about the same specs. None have Qi wireless, none have stereo speakers, etc. Is this something you could brag about to your friends? Is this something you would be proud to own? I rag on my friends' iPhones that only have 1080p resolution. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014. Why would I downgrade to 1080p? And YES, I can see the difference.
When I went from 720p Galaxy Nexus to 1080p LG Nexus 5, ignorant people were saying "you can't see a difference between 720p and 1080p." Uh, yes you can. And those SAME ignorant people are now saying "You can't see a difference between 1080p and 1440p." Now if someone is telling me they want to buy 1080p because it's a BUDGET PHONE, and they don't care there's a difference in fine details on the display, OK. But don't tell me you can't see a difference. I work in visual media professionally and I easily see a difference, even on my 5.2" AMOLED display.
Back to feature mix and price points... ZTE Axon 7 excelled by putting in so many available features at such a low price point. First they made the 64GB/4GB RAM model (initially $400, now $357) available in the U.S. and later the 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) model available in the U.S. That latter model was not an "updated" model. They were both released in China in May 2016, but ZTE only exported the 64GB model to the U.S. at first.
Where LG messed up this year with the LG G6 was trying to regionalize certain features. Why wouldn't U.S. customers also want better audio and more storage (64GB)? They said it was for "pricing". It's already costing over $600. Like with the 2014 Quark, I want the best or nothing. Put ALL the features in. If you forced me to choose only between an LG G6 or Galaxy S8, I would choose the S8 (Exynos variant) because it has EVERYTHING.
Where the new Nokia will run into problems is if there's enough DEMAND for two top tier 1440p phones at the same time everybody else is releasing their 2ND HALF 2017 1440p AMOLED phones! Yes, Nokia could conceivably cut that back to just one phone.
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I wonder if it's possible to grab the wireless coil from a US LG G6 and stick it into an international version, to get the best of both worlds...I would expect they use a similar, if not the same, mainboard.
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XDA posted a tear down video where they said YES it seems possible to put a wireless coil on international version. However, it seems a little complicated. It seemed more than just putting the coil on the back cover, which I've done before with LG G3 phones. My attempts with LG G3 phones were mixed for friends' phones. After my trial and errors, I ended up buying back battery covers from where someone else had already done it professionally.
Right now, the Moto Z2 Force with the Qi wireless battery pack seems to be my best bet, IF I get a new phone this year.
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Well, ZTE made an effort with their Axon 7 phone to include CDMA, because they were making a big push into U.S. market. Verizon VoLTE even works with Axon 7. But CMDA is the dinosaur that will go extinct. For companies wishing to make a quick splash on world markets, they can safely ignore CDMA.
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So, GSM won. CDMA lost. Even Verizon and Sprint has switched to it, by going to LTE and to VoLTE. The problem is they have to keep their "legacy" CDMA towers running -- for now -- for fallback protection. But at some point in time, CDMA will disappear entirely.
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There is no "including" CDMA, Snapdragon radios can use every band under the sun by default. It comes down to whether manufacturers want to jump through Verizon and the FCC's hoops to enable it state-side. Well, and I suppose there are minor physical considerations like antenna size, but that's the beauty of designing and manufacturing your own handsets; you can put in whatever you please. <insert headphone jack-based stab at Apple here>
Key thing being "at some point in time". Verizon's not going to shut their CDMA towers off until they know that they'll lose the minimum number of customers doing it; once they get enough LTE towers set up, they'll "generously" offer to "upgrade" customers who're using CDMA/VoLTE-less devices, possibly at a "reduced price".
Until then, Verizon CDMA has the best coverage here in the states, particularly in rural areas. Sitting here at my desk, I have minimum signal, but still enough to call out clearly; my boss's T-Mobile phone wouldn't be so lucky.
Of course, the above is likely to change too, as we get closer to CDMA being completely defunct...more GSM towers going up, T-Mobile, Sprint and their MVNOs getting ready to snap up older Verizon customers when they realize that they were talked into buying a phone using dead-end cellular technology this late into the game.
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And for me, if I wish to import phones from other countries like the Moto XT1225 with the easily unlocked bootloader or even the Exynos variant Galaxy S8 with the easily unlocked bootloader, having a GSM/HSPA/LTE carrier like AT&T is fantastic. I'm NOT buying the S8, but I seriously considered it for a few weeks. If I did, it would NOT be the U.S. model which is bootloader locked, but the international Exynos variant. But for Verizon users, they have no choice. The Exynos variant doesn't have CDMA.
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It's going to be interesting to see how Verizon plans to exert control and keep customers, once CDMA is gone. They're going to need to adopt a different strategy, to continue making buying their locked-down phones appealing, since the whole "because our network is the best and only OUR radios are configured to work on it!" thing will be out.
Sure, being able to buy a phone over a two-year contract is nice (well I mean, contracts are nice if you like being at the mercy of the universe's sense of humor, personally I'd rather buy outright), but all carriers offer that sort of thing nowadays...and they don't sell "exclusives" that are gimped versions of the real thing. Usually.
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"ME TOO" PHONES
Have you ever heard of the Sharp Z2 Android phone? How about the Asus Zenfone 3? or BLU Vivo 6? or LeEco Le S3? Or some of the Xiaomi models? There's a dozen more I could list. All you need to know is they are 2016, 5.5", 1080p phones.
They all have about the same specs. None have Qi wireless, none have stereo speakers, etc. Is this something you could brag about to your friends? Is this something you would be proud to own?
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Oh come on, people don't buy copycat phones because they're trying to make a fashion statement, they buy them because they're cheaper than getting an S#, iphone, uhh...whatever else is competing with those in a given year.
To be honest, I see nothing wrong with there being a bunch of "me too" phones out there. They create competition, the higher-end ones (such as those by Xiaomi and OnePlus) put some pressure on the big players like Apple/Samsung/Lenovo to keep their prices from staying stupid-high for more than a few months at most. The low- to mid-range ones offer anyone low on cash an opportunity to have a frankly more than adequate handset. Gone are the days where "only" spending $150 on a phone meant you were getting something almost uselessly slow.
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I rag on my friends' iPhones that only have 1080p resolution. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014. Why would I downgrade to 1080p? And YES, I can see the difference.
When I went from 720p Galaxy Nexus to 1080p LG Nexus 5, ignorant people were saying "you can't see a difference between 720p and 1080p." Uh, yes you can. And those SAME ignorant people are now saying "You can't see a difference between 1080p and 1440p." Now if someone is telling me they want to buy 1080p because it's a BUDGET PHONE, and they don't care there's a difference in fine details on the display, OK. But don't tell me you can't see a difference. I work in visual media professionally and I easily see a difference, even on my 5.2" AMOLED display.
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No argument here. It's not a completely fair comparison since we're talking old flagship next to newish mid-range phone, but putting my "old" 1440p AMOLED screen next to my mother's g4 Plus 1080p IPS screen...the image quality, contrast and pixel response difference is night and day. Literally the only thing hers has going for it is maximum brightness.
And even two AMOLED screens, the higher-res version is going to win. The only way I can see someone not telling a difference is if they either need glasses, or never use their phone for an extended period of time.
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Back to feature mix and price points... ZTE Axon 7 excelled by putting in so many available features at such a low price point. First they made the 64GB/4GB RAM model (initially $400, now $357) available in the U.S. and later the 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) model available in the U.S. That latter model was not an "updated" model. They were both released in China in May 2016, but ZTE only exported the 64GB model to the U.S. at first..
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If it weren't for the large price difference when I was shopping, I would have bought an Axon 7 over the Turbo, despite it being slightly bigger. It really is a fantastic package aside from the lack of Qi charging, which is livable as far as I'm concerned. Just couldn't justify the $100+ difference for a used one at the time, and I badly needed a new phone.
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Where the new Nokia will run into problems is if there's enough DEMAND for two top tier 1440p phones at the same time everybody else is releasing their 2ND HALF 2017 1440p AMOLED phones!
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Nokia has the distinct advantage of a legendary brand name, without the disadvantage of being seen as "business-only" like Blackberry. They've already put out some Android phones that have been fairly well-received, so...why not? If they can manage the specs they're pushing without being too insanely overpriced (*coughBB-Privcough*), they should do fine...enough to continue experimenting, anyway.
It helps too that the concept images for the Nokia 9 thus far have painted a drop-dead gorgeous handset. If it's reasonably sturdy, looks good, and is fast, people might even be willing to overlook its lack of a headphone jack (which I suspect is a reality).
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No argument here. It's not a completely fair comparison since we're talking old flagship next to newish mid-range phone, but putting my "old" 1440p AMOLED screen next to my mother's g4 Plus 1080p IPS screen...the image quality, contrast and pixel response difference is night and day. Literally the only thing hers has going for it is maximum brightness.
And even two AMOLED screens, the higher-res version is going to win. The only way I can see someone not telling a difference is if they either need glasses, or never use their phone for an extended period of time.
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Good stuff, but thank you especially for this. :good:
I can't believe all the 1080p people who seem to just want to defend their favorite phone (iSheep, OnePlus zombies) without admitting 1440p resolution is the sign of a premier phone since 2014 for a very good reason.
Or front-facing stereo speakers, which some phones have had (HTC models, Huawei, Sony, LeEco, Alcatel, Moto X 2014, Moto Nexus 6, ZTE Axon 7, etc.) This is not a "new" concept! If you had the choice between one mono speaker or stereo speakers, why would you not want stereo?
Over in the Galaxy S8 forum, there's a thread about what could improve the S8. And since several professional reviewers have mentioned Samsung OWNS stereo manufacturer Harman Kardon, and front-facing stereo speakers would have been a nice touch on a premium phone, I also mentioned that point. And some fanbois just reacted with intense vitriol. As if having stereo speakers would somehow HARM them, make their testicles shrink and disappear. "IF you need stereo, use headsets or wireless ear buds!" And accused me of being some boombox-loving gangsta. Blah, blah, blah. This was in a thread specifically about how the 2017 flagship phone could be IMPROVED. They didn't have any ideas themselves, they just didn't like the implication the phone they just bought wasn't perfect in every way -- or couldn't be improved in any way. If you don't like the stereo speakers, no one will FORCE you to use them -- you can still use your wired headset or Bluetooth earbuds.
YET, I bet... I would bet $100 that if the OnePlus 3T had 1440p AMOLED and front facing stero speakers -- or the Galaxy S8/S8+ had front-facing stereo speakers -- the fanbois would eagerly point to those features as being the BEST, the pièce de résistance why their phones RULE.
Rumors are the OnePlus 5 will be 1440p. If true, what will the OnePlus fanbois say then?
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And the earlier point about the "Me Too" phones -- yes, competition is good. But I'm just getting tired of breathless announcements for yet anther -- wait for it -- 5.5" 1080p phone with EXACTLY the same specs as the last dozen phones announced by Chinese companies. This was why the top-tier hardware spec ZTE Axon 7 (at such a reasonable price) was a breath of fresh air. If 100 companies are going to go "Me Too", then go "Me Too" in THAT direction.
I'm just a hardware spec hound, and I make no apologies about that. SOFTWARE can always be improved, but hardware can't. See Apple's iPhone 4 ridiculous screw-up with their with un-insulated external metal band antenna, i.e. "grip of death". The only "fix" was rubber bumper cases. The FIX came next year, when they insulated their antenna properly in the iPhone 4S.
Start off with the best hardware, then software can do it's thing.
I don't care how EFFICIENT you claim the latest Snapdragon chipset is (we hear this each year), I will ALWAYS take a 4,000 mAh battery over a 3,000 mAh battery.
I will always take 4GB RAM over 2GB RAM,
I will always take hardware rear camera OIS over none (should have been included on our Quarks) vs software-only stabilization
NFC chip over none (Motorola's stupid decision to leave it out of 2017 U.S. Moto G5 Plus, but include it in "international" variants).
or stereo speakers over one mono speaker.
You can still buy a phone that might have something lesser or even missing, but don't tell me it wouldn't make the phone BETTER.
Why do I want this phone so much? It makes no sense.
http://www.pcmag.com/news/353461/jelly-is-the-worlds-smallest-4g-smartphone
It's just so cute and tiny!
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Why do I want this phone so much? It makes no sense.
http://www.pcmag.com/news/353461/jelly-is-the-worlds-smallest-4g-smartphone
It's just so cute and tiny!
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The TINY PHONE TREND returns
I just want the Glitch from ReBoot to be real
Well, as I suspected OnePlus doesn't have the guts to enter the Big Boy arena:
OnePlus 5 Fresh Leaks
http://playfuldroid.com/oneplus-5-f...der-3600-mah-battery-6-gb-ram-128-gb-storage/
1080p in 2017? On a flagship phone? Fail. Even laggard Apple is going to 1440p and they stay YEARS behind top tier Androids!
All major manufacturers since 2014 have offered 1440p. Even ZTE with the Axon 7 offers 1440p. Thus, OnePlus wants to stay in middle school, not play on the varsity team.
Also, no mention of Qi wireless, so another fail.
But not really a surprise. I don't hold a high opinion of OnePlus, not sure why everyone else drinks the Kool-Aid. The whole "never settle" crap motto, when I see PLENTY of hardware spec compromises.
It's the best of the "mid-tier" phones. Won't even be as good as Apple this year, and LOTS of Androids (even mid-tier) normally have better specs than Apple!
In 2014:
In 2016:
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But some of that "2018" stuff, Apple will reportedly get a year "earlier" -- in 2017! 1440p, Qi wireless charging... But OnePlus users still won't have it!
Why are you so hung up on wireless charging? I find it slow and rubbish, and the only thing it excels at is overheating my phone.
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Why are you so hung up on wireless charging? I find it slow and rubbish, and the only thing it excels at is overheating my phone.
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ASK APPLE WHY THEY ARE GOING TO IT? Because it's very useful.
You're not forced to use it you don't want. But I've had it since 2013 on two different phones and it's very convenient. My wife and I use it every day. Walk in, put the phone down. Pick the phone up, walk away.
It's not either/or. You can also plug in when necessary.
It's a premium feature I will insist upon having. Like 1440p.
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You're not forced to use it you don't want. But I've had it since 2013 on two different phones and it's very convenient. My wife and I use it every day. Walk in, put the phone down. Pick the phone up, walk away.
It's not either/or. You can also plug in when necessary.
It's a premium feature I will insist upon having. Like 1440p.
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Yeah, well it's not like anyone is forcing me to use it, just want to find out why people prefer using it. I have a samsung Qi charger lying on my desk for a few months now and I'm almost ready to bin the useless thing. I think it's the first gen charger. Do the newer models have improved power output, at least?
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Yeah, well it's not like anyone is forcing me to use it, just want to find out why people prefer using it. I have a samsung Qi charger lying on my desk for a few months now and I'm almost ready to bin the useless thing. I think it's the first gen charger. Do the newer models have improved power output, at least?
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There is research being done so the new gen Qi wi-fi is faster, but I don't really care about that. I've been using this feature since my 2013 LG Nexus 5 and now on my 2014 Moto XT1225 (both me and my wife), and it's great just as it is. Sure, if you want to make it faster, fine.
I use the triple coil tilt ones so I can see notifications easily. Keep two in the living room, two in the bedroom. Even a couple at my mom's house, so we can use them when we visit.
It's not about speed, it's convenience. By the time we need to leave the house, they're charged. If you're going to put your phone down somewhere, it can be charging AND you can still see your notifications.
A friend of mine uses one at his office. The tilt charger lets him see his notifications, and if he has a meeting, just grab it and go.
The major stress on a phone is the constant plugging/unplugging/plugging/unplugging. Qi wireless charging prevents some of that stress.
Yeah, if I need to charge quickly I use any of the QuckCharge 2.0 chargers I have on hand. I even have dual port car chargers for me and my wife.
So, I'm not against plugging in, when necessary. Again it's not either/or. You can use both as needed.
But Apple is going to Qi wireless charging for their 1440p AMOLED phone, so they finally understand the nice convenience factor.
And I will have to find some more features Apple iPhone doesn't have to bash them, because they're about to take my two favorites -- 1440p AMOLED and Qi wireless charging...
I just won't buy a phone without either feature now that I've had them.
Essential FIH-PM1
One phone to add to the 2017 top-tier smartphone watch list now that OnePlus has struck out.
The mystery Andy Rubin "Essential" FIH-PM1 phone. Yes, the Andy Rubin who created a little start-up called Android and sold it to Google...
THAT Andy Rubin. He left Google in 2014, started a hardware company called "Essential" and is releasing a premier Android smartphone coming out this year.
The man who CREATED Android is now creating an Android smartphone.
This is the only CONFIRMED image of the phone, because that's Andy Rubin's hand holding the phone.
Someone THINKS this may be a prototype that showed up in a recent Michelin commercial because no other phones out right now have that combination of bezel-less look, and placement of ports. Not sure why it would show up in a tire commercial -- and in the commercial the volume buttons are on the wrong side -- so that's why I said the only CONFIRMED image is the one in his hand above.
Leaked specs are 5.5", 1440p, Snapdragon 835, 4GB RAM. Bezel-less display. 3.5mm headset jack (because he's NOT stupid). Also ceramic back -- which gives clue it might have Qi wireless charging.
If you decide to buy flagship device go for only Google devices. They are well thought and most long term supported.
IHMO.. Moto is only good for value/budget phones (E/G series).
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If you decide to buy flagship device go for only Google devices. They are well thought and most long term supported.
IHMO.. Moto is only good for value/budget phones (E/G series).
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1) I probably know more about Google hardware than you ever will.
2) While I will agree with you on Motorola being very laggard on updates -- I will not defend them in any way on that issue -- the 2014 hardware duo of Moto Nexus 6 and Quark series (XT1225/XT1250/XT1254), both released at the same time, shows they can play with the big boys. Motorola did make a Nexus phone with some of the best hardware specs ever made, and their Quark was basically the 5.2" version of that phone -- except for lack of stereo speakers and rear camera OIS. (Both were very strange omissions -- Motorola knew how to do hardware rear camera OIS as it's on the Nexus 6, and they had just put stereo speakers on the 2014 Moto X earlier that year. Very puzzling, and the only two things to prevent this from being the best phone EVER. It's not like they didn't charge enough money for this phone -- I paid about $700 each for my first two XT1225 in 2014.)
Quark (Moto XT1225/XT1250/XT1254) vs Moto Nexus 6
3) Uhmmm. I look suspiciously on Google ever since they released the too-big Nexus 6. They still haven't gotten back to where they should be. That was the FIRST of NOT having "well thought" design. Until then, they went with mainstream design size. That year, 2014, the mainstream display size was between 5.0" - 5.5", with the "average" being around 5.2". (Even Samsung with their Note phablets never went over 5.7" display size.) Google jumped the shark and went to 5.95" -- a 6" phablet! Of course people weren't going to buy it! They've admitted their mistake, and Motorola told them they shouldn't go that big. Whoever made that decision really missed an opportunity to solidify the Nexus branding as a commercial entity, and instead RUINED the Nexus brand.
"Well thought"? NO. Tell me what they were thinking with the HUGE bezels in the 2016 Pixel XL? They weren't thinking. Huawei turned them down for Pixcel and they had to go begging to HTC, who re-used a frame from a previous phone.
And they dropped Qi wireless charging, in both 2015 and 2017 when even Apple is adding Qi wireless charging now in 2017! (Motorola also stupidly dropped it, while Samsung did not.) If you charging THAT much money (over $800), you better have everything in the phone.
Look at the hardware specs of the ZTE Axon 7 AND the PRICE and look at the hardware specs of the Pixel XL.
The ZTE Axon 7 matches and even BEATS the Pixel XL in every hardware spec (except maybe camera) and is less than HALF the price. Why can't Google do that? Are they STUPID? I'm not paying EXTRA $400-$500 for HUGE BEZELS. Put some front-facing stereo speakers there, and I'll consider it.
It's not just about the price, but the hardware specs and the look. ZTE's frame is even designed by BMW. Google's frame they got out of the garbage dumpster behind HTC building. Look at the SIZE. The ZTE Axon 7 is SMALLER in spite of having the same display and even adding front-facing stereo speakers! "well thought"? HA!
Both have
same 5.5" 1440p AMOLED Samsung display
Pixel XL has 821 vs the 820 Snapdragon, only because it was released six months later. I would call that even.
4GB RAM
In addition, the ZTE Axon 7 has award winning DAC and front facing speakers + microSD card. I know that's a Google thing to not have microSD card, so if the Pixel XL was superior in all other aspects, I wouldn't even mention it.
Price? Currently over $800 vs $330. There's even a ZTE Axon 7 variant with 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory for $499 -- still beats the Pixel XL.
The only single point the Pixel XL is ahead in is the Google Pixel camera.
Well thought?
Don't make me laugh. Google should have bought 1 million ZTE Axon 7 phones, slapped their software on them, and sold THAT as the Pixel XL! They could even have marked it up a few hundred dollars and still made a profitl
If ZTE had used a ceramic/glass back and had Qi wireless charging, I would have bought 3 of them. Just like I own three Moto XT1225.
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I was a Google Nexus fanboi with the gen3 Galaxy Nexus and the gen5 LG Nexus 5, buying both for me and my wife. I also bought Nexus tablets, the 7 and the 9. I bragged incessantly about Nexus hardware.
But Google screwed up in 2014 with the whale Moto Nexus 6. The model number for the Nexus phones is NOT screen size! Google got confused and made it too big. They even had a 5.2" Nexus 6 version they were testing! We saw the leaked benchmarks in mid-August 2014:
Shamu:
5.2",
1440p,
Snapdragon 805,
3GB RAM.
It was there! They had two variants. Google should have released BOTH or just released the "mainstream" size. But they told Motorola go with the one that was too big. That's when they lost me. I'm NOT going to look like this:
Someone carrying a Nexus 6
Which is why I bought the 5.2" version, the Quark that Motorola released at the same time. It was either the 5.2" Shamu re-purposed, or had been developed in parallel -- don't really care, it was top tier specs in a size I liked. It's MY Nexus 6. Oh, and the 5.2" Quark has a BIGGER battery than the 6" Shamu! Another way Google always screwed up the Nexus phones -- they skimped on the batteries!
Still, with the Nexus 6 and the Quark series, Motorola finally did graduate to the top tier category.
Ever since then, Google has admitted their mistake by going smaller and smaller - 5.7", then 5.5". But they still don't quite understand -- and they stupidly releasing even smaller versions with mid-tier 1080p specs and lesser RAM.
It wasn't the COST of the Nexus 6 most people didn't like, it was the SIZE. It wasn't mainstream. Even Samsung didn't make their phablet Note series that big (overall frame size).
And now Google screwed up with the most recent phones, the Nexus 6P (although they made it smaller than the Nexus 6, it was also still too big a) and the Pixel XL (with the bezels) even though they made it even smaller than the Nexus 6 and the 6P.
I'll consider the 2017 Pixel XL IF Google can get their act together.
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Ever since 2014, I can also list the many mistakes Motorola has made under new owner Lenovo --
breaking their fast updates promise,
not fixing the two deficiencies in the Quarks (stereo speakers/rear camera OIS) in the 2015 Kinzie successor, and instead adding the silly plastic shatter shield gimmick.
making you pay EXTRA for what should already be in phone (mods, with stereo speakers, Qi wireless charging), and
even with the U.S. Moto G5 Plus -- stripping NFC out when including it for the rest of the world.