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I started this thread in April 2017 and went through year waiting for and then eliminating phones that could replace my beloved Quark, without losing any features like QHD (1440p) OLED, Qi wireless charging, and 3.5mm headset jack. While also GAINING features that have become de rigueur for premium Android phones, like IP68 dust/water resistance and fingerprint sensor.
I also wanted to be able to root the phone to keep total control. By the end of the 2017, the only phone that met those requirements (for me in the U.S.) and also was aesthetically pleasing was the open market LG V30 US998. The Exynos Galaxy Note 8 was just too large.
The LG V30 was not even on the original list below, but the LG G6 was... and it failed. The end-of-year LG V30 was what the LG G6 SHOULD have been. It's a more refined version of the LG G6.
I may keep this thread going to discuss 2018 phones, but they will have to beat the Quark while also competing with the excellent LG V30...
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NEW Phones to replace 2014 Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx)?
FIVE PHONES TO WATCH IN 2017
There's NOTHING on the market right now or even in the past two years that is better than the 2014 Quark, in my opinion. The LG G4 and ZTE Axon 7 came close. So, I am waiting for NEW phones to come out.
I have three 64GB XT1225 -- two daily phones running RR 6.X and one still new in the box. I've come up with a list of 5 phones coming out later this year to watch, to see if they are worthy of replacing my daily Quark phone... Skip to the bottom if this is too long to read. But I explain my criteria.
I've had the Quark since December 2014, when I bought two in the same month, and then spring of 2016 I bought a 3rd Quark to be emergency backup (still new in the box).
During that time I had a couple of LG G2 phones I had as backup but when I bought the 3rd Quark, I sold those on eBay. I even won FREE a new 2015 LG G4 from AT&T in a contest, and sold it NEW IN THE BOX (but added a Qi wireless charging back cover I ordered from Europe, so it was even better than new). That 2015 LG G4 (with the Qi wireless functionality) was actually the closest replacement phone I've found for the Quark. But that was the money I used to buy the 3rd 2014 Moto Maxx XT1225.
My point is, each year since 2014 I've looked at various flagship phones and for one reason or another they don't match up to what I have now.
2016 ZTE Axon 7 came very close.
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5.5" AMOLED (exactly same Samsung panel in the Google Pixel XL, has same part number)
Google Daydream VR certified
64GB/4GB RAM ($400, now $357) or 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) -- both with microSD card
award-winning DAC
headset jack
front-facing stereo speakers
frame designed by BMW
20MP camera with rear OIS
bootloader unlock on request and has root, custom ROMs
For Verizon users, CDMA bands and Verizon VoLTE (on stock Nougat and LOS 14.1)
WOW. So, why not? No Qi wireless charging. Plus reports ZTE's firmware could be better. The custom ROMs are almost fixed, but in the beginning couldn't even access the award-winning DAC. Audio was all messed for months on the custom ROMs. But you could still root and run stock.
I wish Google had bought 1 million of these, slapped on their software and sold them as the Google Pixel XL. I seriously would have considered buying it, but the lack of Qi wireless is still a deal killer.
2016 Google Pixel XL.
Bezels too big for no reason. No Qi wireless charging. Google has lost their sense of direction. I owned two of the gen3 Galaxy Nexus and two of the gen5 LG Nexus 5. Ever since the WHALE 2014 Moto Nexus 6 (which I refused to buy), they have lost their sense of what mainstream smartphone users want. A 5.2" - 5.5" updated version of the Moto Nexus 6 would be PERFECT. UPDATED Snapdragon chipset, Qi wireless, QuickCharge 4.0, 1440 AMOLED, headset jack, etc. -- but in a reasonable size.
2016 Moto Z Force
Verizon exclusive. No headset jack. Crappy mods to make you pay for what should already be in the phone -- particularly stereo speakers, Qi wireleless charging, larger batteries. Except you can only use ONE mod at a time.
2016 Moto Z
No headset jack. Crappy mods to make you pay for what should already be in the phone -- particularly stereo speakers, Qi wireless charging, larger batteries. Except you can only use ONE mod at a time.
2016 LG G5
Crappy mods. Even crappier than the Moto Z series.
2017 LG G6
No Qi wireless for international models. No DAC/bigger storage for U.S. models. LG messed up. Make ONE phone with premium specs for the entire world!
2017 Galaxy Samsung S8
Very interesting. Specs are good. Has Qi wireless charging, 1440p AMOLED. Exynos variants have already been rooted and has official TWRP and ROMs. But I'm going to wait until 2nd half of 2017 to see what else is coming...
WHAT ELSE IS COMING THIS YEAR?
Here's FIVE phones to keep your eyes on.
This list below is in order of increasing likelihood -- with the bottom two being VERY interesting.
5 - 2017 Google Pixel 2
Probably still won't have Qi wireless or headset jack... Because Google is stupid.
4 - 2017 OnePlus 5 reportedly will have 1440p AMOLED. I'm not buying a 1080p phone, not since having 1440p since 2014. And any phone I buy has to have Qi wireless charging. I'm also concerned about OnePlus proprietary "Dash Charge" since I have many, many QuickCharge chargers. I'm NOT throwing those away.
3 - 2017 ZTE Axon 8
What could ZTE do to improve their almost perfect ZTE Axon 7 specs? Add Qi wireless charging.
What else could they do? Improve their firmware.
So, let's see what they do!
2 - 2017 Nokia 9
The Nokia 9 is expected to feature the following, key specs:
5.5-inch QHD OLED Display
Snapdragon 835, Adreno 540
22 MP Dual-Lens Carl-Zeiss Rear Camera
6 GB RAM
64 GB / 128 GB storage
12 MP FFC
3800 mAH Battery
Qualcomm Quick-Charge 4
Iris Scanner
Finger-Print Scanner
Nokia OZO Audio Enhancements
IP68 certification
Android 7.1.2 Nougat
Will run STOCK Android. Will it have Qi wireless? I'm very curious about this phone.
1 - 2017 Moto Z2 Force
5.5" 1440p AMOLED
headset jack
Snapdragon 835
Reportedly the Moto Z2 Force will NOT be a Verizon exclusive. Will be sold by all the major U.S. carriers and internationally. Also Motorola is ADDING BACK the headset jack. This still leaves the mods... But you could add a "battery pack" mod which also adds Qi wireless charging. Yes, you are paying $70-$80 for the larger battery and Qi wireless which should already be in the phone. But the final result would be basically an updated Quark.
Leaked renders of Moto Z2 Force
You have that camera hump, but the battery pack mod evens it out.
One of the Qi wireless 2,200 mAh extended battery pack mods for the 2016 Moto Z series. They are also guaranteed to fit the 2017 Moto Z2 series. Adds battery capacity AND Qi wireless charging functionality.
Last year's Moto Z Force (the Verizon exclusive with the missing headset jack) had a 3,500 mAh battery. If the Moto Z2 Force has same battery capacity, then adding this 2,200 mAh battery pack mod would give you 4,700 mAh battery capacity!
Any international variants would have probably have bootloader unlocked on request, just like now.
#1 and #2 are the best bets, with #3 right behind them (depending on Qi wireless).
I'm not buying anything right now. There's no rush, and nothing out there right now (LG G6, Galaxy S8) are compelling enough that I can't wait to see what develops by end of the year.
IF I don't buy anything this year (my wife and I are in the process of adopting two children, but can't say anything more about that for now), perhaps NEXT year's LG G7 will have AMOLED display? Reportedly LG promised almost their entire supply for this year to Apple, which is why the LG G6 still has LCD. And perhaps LG will realize the folly of regionalized specs (Qi in U.S., with DAC/more storage for Asia). Maybe NEXT year LG will produce a FANTASTIC PHONE for the entire world.
Honestly, if I had the money, I would replace my Quark with a OnePlus 3T. I won't give up the possibility of using custom ROMs with devices with uncertain development capability. Still, I am very happy with my Quark (which will soon turn 2 years old), even though its speaker is busted (it sounds like crap).
Shooting Star Max said:
Honestly, if I had the money, I would replace my Quark with a OnePlus 3T. I won't give up the possibility of using custom ROMs with devices with uncertain development capability. Still, I am very happy with my Quark (which will soon turn 2 years old), even though its speaker is busted (it sounds like crap).
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I just can't downgrade to 1080p and give up Qi wireless charging. Also the OnePlus 3T has the proprietary "dash charge". I have many QuickCharge wall-plug chargers as well as dual port car chargers. I also have several Qi wireless charging pads. I'm not throwing those away.
To me OnePlus is a company who is almost "major" league like LG, Samsung, Motorola -- but not quite. When they offer a phone with at least 1440p AMOLED, I'll know they are serious. All the "major" companies have offered 1440p since 2014 -- Motorola wasn't even the first. LG did it in early 2014 with the LG G3.
There's at least a dozen "budget" Chinese companies releasing 5.5" 1080p slabs. Look at the specs of the OnePlus 3 or even OnePlus 3T vs the ZTE Axon 7. ZTE stood out by offering top tier specs for the same budget price. The ZTE Axon 7 on paper makes OnePlus 3T look like a loser. Comparing all the hardware specs. Where ZTE lost is their firmware, but usually that can be fixed with custom ROMs.
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The ZTE Axon 7 on paper makes OnePlus 3T look like a loser.
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Well, the OnePlus 3T has a better processor, bigger battery and much better community support.
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Well, the OnePlus 3T has a better processor, bigger battery and much better community support.
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Not much better processor, 821 vs 820 only because it's updated version of the OnPlus 3 (820). If ZTE had released a end-of-year update, it too would be 821.
You are comparing a newer phone (November 2026) to an older phone (May 2016).
And slightly bigger battery for the 3T, 3400mAh v 3250mAh (Axon 7). The original 3 had 3000 mAh (June 2016) which is SMALLER than the AXON 7. And the original 3 had the same 820 as the AXON 7.
The other Axon 7 hardware specs still blow OnePlus 3 or 3T away.
OnePlus 3T vs OnePlus 3 vs ZTE Axon 7
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...us-3,ZTE-Axon-7/phones/10313,10017,10068?ft=2
(they don't list it but there's also a 128GB/6GB RAM ZTE Axon 7 model for U.S. now)
Why didn't amateur OnePlus put in 1440p or fantastic DAC with front facing stereo speakers in their 3T "update"? 534ppi vs 401 pppi.
All top tier phones by LG, Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Huawei, etc have 1440p. Even Apple is going to 1440p AMOLED this year! Until you have that, you are mid-tier spec only. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014 and I'm NOT going to downgrade to 1080p.
Maybe ONEPLUS will step up and deliver top tier specs with the OnePlus 5. We'll see.
That Nokia 9 though, unfh. I like the look of it more than the probably-vaporware Droid 3 renders.
...unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be GSM-only, which sadly still isn't an option where I live. No Verizon CDMA+LTE, no deal : \
Regarding wireless charging, apparently the holdup for a while was that manufacturers were moving towards metal case backs, which kind of gets in the way. Qualcomm announced way back that they had solved the problem, but I guess they never actually did anything with what they figured out.
Given that metal backs are SO yesterday and glass backs are the current fad, I expect that wireless charging will make more of a comeback in the coming year.
I wonder if it's possible to grab the wireless coil from a US LG G6 and stick it into an international version, to get the best of both worlds...I would expect they use a similar, if not the same, mainboard.
Septfox said:
it looks like it's going to be GSM-only, which sadly still isn't an option where I live. No Verizon CDMA+LTE, no deal : \
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Well, ZTE made an effort with their Axon 7 phone to include CDMA, because they were making a big push into U.S. market. Verizon VoLTE even works with Axon 7. But CMDA is the dinosaur that will go extinct. For companies wishing to make a quick splash on world markets, they can safely ignore CDMA.
You may not know this, but LTE is actually GSM/HSPA based technology. Which of course is why all LTE phones now have SIM cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)
In telecommunication, Long-Term Evolution (LTE) is a standard for high-speed wireless communication for mobile phones and data terminals, based on the GSM/EDGE and UMTS/HSPA technologies.
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So, GSM won. CDMA lost. Even Verizon and Sprint has switched to it, by going to LTE and to VoLTE. The problem is they have to keep their "legacy" CDMA towers running -- for now -- for fallback protection. But at some point in time, CDMA will disappear entirely.
Verizon has said they will shut down their 2G CDMA network by end of 2019 and their 3G CDMA network by end of 2021. This has been long planned by Verizon:
Aparna Khurjekar, who was at the time Verizon's vice president of global strategy for M2M, told FierceWireless in 2012 that the carrier planned to shutter its 2G and 3G CDMA networks by 2021.
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Last year, Verizon announced their 2G CDMA will actually shut down by end of 2019. They have not yet given a firm date for the 3G CMDA shutdown, except for that prediction back in 2012. But they will shut it down. Here's why:
Verizon said in April (2016) that fully 92 percent of its wireless traffic traveled over its LTE network. Verizon is also refarming its 3G, CDMA EV-DO spectrum for its LTE network.
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That was a statistic from a year ago. Surely that percentage is even higher now.
In November 2015, Verizon even made a prediction which has not yet come true:
In November (2015), Verizon CFO Fran Shammo said the carrier is looking to introduce LTE-only handsets “probably more to the end of 2016.”
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Well, they haven't done that yet. But they are aggressively looking to do it! So, with Verizon LTE-only phones, you won't even get CDMA from Verizon! Once they introduce LTE-only phones, then it's just a matter of attrition. Getting customers to upgrade to the newer phones in such number that they can then petition the FCC to shut down even 3G CDMA.
In 4 years, everyone will own different phones than they do now.
2G CDMA is being shut down end of 2019, and 3G CDMA shutdown goal is end of 2021. That 3G CDMA date is not set in stone, but Verizon wants to shut it down. AT&T has already shut down their 2G GSM network end of last year.
In India, there's already an LTE-only carrier called Jio. That's the future -- LTE only.
And for me, if I wish to import phones from other countries like the Moto XT1225 with the easily unlocked bootloader or even the Exynos variant Galaxy S8 with the easily unlocked bootloader, having a GSM/HSPA/LTE carrier like AT&T is fantastic. I'm NOT buying the S8, but I seriously considered it for a few weeks. If I did, it would NOT be the U.S. model which is bootloader locked, but the international Exynos variant. But for Verizon users, they have no choice. The Exynos variant doesn't have CDMA.
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That Nokia 9 though, unfh. I like the look of it more than the probably-vaporware Droid 3 renders.
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Yeah, that was disappointing, that Motorola went with the Moto Z Force instead of Droid Turbo 3/Moto X Force 2. They made the Moto Z Force be Verizon-only (except for reportedly a Chinese model which doesn't have U.S. LTE bands) and then the regular Moto Z was very blah (at least for me) with missing headset jack.
Well, "Nokia" has been reconstituted by former managers of the old Nokia mobile division who have now licensed the name under a new company "HMD" they created. They are getting FoxConn to manufacture their designs --same way Apple gets FoxConn to manufacture their designs for iPhones. They announced the first phones they will release this year, the Nokia 3, 5, 6. They started with "affordable" phones for first batch of releases early this year, and insiders say by end of the year they will release two top-tier phones, reportedly the Nokia 8 and Nokia 9. Yes, those have not been officially announced, but it seems logical with their strategy. Start with the small stuff, build to the big. They are also working with Google to get fast updates over stock Android.
HMD, then, looks as if it is trying to turn its Nokia phones into Nexus-style devices with fast updates, clean, bloatware-free software and aggressive pricing.
“Most of the smartphones in the market do not have the Android OS in the way it should be,” said HMD Global’s vice president for the Middle East and North Africa Per Ekman.
“Vendors are adding a skin on top of the OS. Consumers have the right to have the latest version of the OS, and we will be pushing the latest version and the patches as soon as it is available from Google.”
“We and Google will jointly enhance the Nokia brand to put the right kind of inputs into the phone, including Google Assistant,” he said. (That "Google Assistant" thing was announced back when it was still Pixel-only.)
This is a rather interesting niche in the Android space, now that Google’s Nexus phones are gone, as it is something no one is really exploiting. OnePlus competes on price, but not updates, for instance, so by going this route and doing it successfully, Nokia could find itself in a very good position in 2018/19.
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The bottom tier and mid tier phones will be released to Western markets by end of 2nd quarter: 720p/1080p and Snapdragon 4XX/MediTek type stuff. Of the three (Nokia 3, Nokia 5, Nokia 6), the Nokia 6 mid-tier so far is the best -- with stereo speakers and Dolby, 64GB internal memory with 4GB RAM, microSD card, and other stuff. But it's only running Snapdragon 430. You would think they would at least go Snapdragon 6XX? Otherwise the other hardware specs are impressive for that category. Anyway, $300, if ordered from UK.. May also come to U.S. for around $250? But I'm not interested. However, might be something I would buy for my mother!
The top tier models (Nokia 8 and Nokia 9) will be the requisite 1440p and Snapdragon 8XX, of course. But then what other specs besides that? Well, they SAY they want to compete with Apple iPhone and Samsung, and by that time not only has the S8/S8+ been released, but the Note 8 will be coming.
The Nokia 8 has enough substantiated "rumors" -- if that's possible? -- it has a listing in GSMArena:
NOKIA 8 RUMORED SPECS
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8522
5.7" 1440p LCD, STEREO SPEAKERS, etc.
Where the Nokia 9 differs is 1440p AMOLED. Here's similar listing for the Nokia 9 on competing site PhoneArena:
NOKIA 9 RUMORED SPECS
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Nokia-9/phones/10486?ft=2
Part of this is actually "knowable". What do other major manufacturer flagship phones (Samsung, LG, Motorola, Sony, HTC, Huawei) have, what's out there on the market right now, who are you trying to compete with?
So, yeah, you're going to have 1440p, Snapdragon 835 (unless Qualcomm releases a newer version by July). You're going to have USB 3.1, Type-C 1.0 reversible connector.
But are you going to be SMART and also put in a headset jack -- or stupid and leave it out? Motorola left it out last year, realized their mistake and are putting it back in. LG and Samsung left it in.
Are you going with the edge-to-edge displays? I think you have to since the LG G6, Samsung S8 and even the new iPhone 8 will have that. If you have any bezels at top or bottom, them put them to use with front-facing stereo speakers!
Are you going with Qi wireless? Or you can't because you have metal unibody? The Nokia phones seem to use metal, unless they change that for their top tier phone?
Point is, it's the mixture of the features and price point that differentiate phones. There's too many "me too" phones. I put ALL the 5.5" 1080p phones into that category including the OnePlus 3 and 3T.
"ME TOO" PHONES
Have you ever heard of the Sharp Z2 Android phone? How about the Asus Zenfone 3? or BLU Vivo 6? or LeEco Le S3? Or some of the Xiaomi models? There's a dozen more I could list. All you need to know is they are 2016, 5.5", 1080p phones.
They all have about the same specs. None have Qi wireless, none have stereo speakers, etc. Is this something you could brag about to your friends? Is this something you would be proud to own? I rag on my friends' iPhones that only have 1080p resolution. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014. Why would I downgrade to 1080p? And YES, I can see the difference.
When I went from 720p Galaxy Nexus to 1080p LG Nexus 5, ignorant people were saying "you can't see a difference between 720p and 1080p." Uh, yes you can. And those SAME ignorant people are now saying "You can't see a difference between 1080p and 1440p." Now if someone is telling me they want to buy 1080p because it's a BUDGET PHONE, and they don't care there's a difference in fine details on the display, OK. But don't tell me you can't see a difference. I work in visual media professionally and I easily see a difference, even on my 5.2" AMOLED display.
Back to feature mix and price points... ZTE Axon 7 excelled by putting in so many available features at such a low price point. First they made the 64GB/4GB RAM model (initially $400, now $357) available in the U.S. and later the 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) model available in the U.S. That latter model was not an "updated" model. They were both released in China in May 2016, but ZTE only exported the 64GB model to the U.S. at first.
Where LG messed up this year with the LG G6 was trying to regionalize certain features. Why wouldn't U.S. customers also want better audio and more storage (64GB)? They said it was for "pricing". It's already costing over $600. Like with the 2014 Quark, I want the best or nothing. Put ALL the features in. If you forced me to choose only between an LG G6 or Galaxy S8, I would choose the S8 (Exynos variant) because it has EVERYTHING.
Where the new Nokia will run into problems is if there's enough DEMAND for two top tier 1440p phones at the same time everybody else is releasing their 2ND HALF 2017 1440p AMOLED phones! Yes, Nokia could conceivably cut that back to just one phone.
Septfox said:
I wonder if it's possible to grab the wireless coil from a US LG G6 and stick it into an international version, to get the best of both worlds...I would expect they use a similar, if not the same, mainboard.
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XDA posted a tear down video where they said YES it seems possible to put a wireless coil on international version. However, it seems a little complicated. It seemed more than just putting the coil on the back cover, which I've done before with LG G3 phones. My attempts with LG G3 phones were mixed for friends' phones. After my trial and errors, I ended up buying back battery covers from where someone else had already done it professionally.
Right now, the Moto Z2 Force with the Qi wireless battery pack seems to be my best bet, IF I get a new phone this year.
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Well, ZTE made an effort with their Axon 7 phone to include CDMA, because they were making a big push into U.S. market. Verizon VoLTE even works with Axon 7. But CMDA is the dinosaur that will go extinct. For companies wishing to make a quick splash on world markets, they can safely ignore CDMA.
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So, GSM won. CDMA lost. Even Verizon and Sprint has switched to it, by going to LTE and to VoLTE. The problem is they have to keep their "legacy" CDMA towers running -- for now -- for fallback protection. But at some point in time, CDMA will disappear entirely.
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There is no "including" CDMA, Snapdragon radios can use every band under the sun by default. It comes down to whether manufacturers want to jump through Verizon and the FCC's hoops to enable it state-side. Well, and I suppose there are minor physical considerations like antenna size, but that's the beauty of designing and manufacturing your own handsets; you can put in whatever you please. <insert headphone jack-based stab at Apple here>
Key thing being "at some point in time". Verizon's not going to shut their CDMA towers off until they know that they'll lose the minimum number of customers doing it; once they get enough LTE towers set up, they'll "generously" offer to "upgrade" customers who're using CDMA/VoLTE-less devices, possibly at a "reduced price".
Until then, Verizon CDMA has the best coverage here in the states, particularly in rural areas. Sitting here at my desk, I have minimum signal, but still enough to call out clearly; my boss's T-Mobile phone wouldn't be so lucky.
Of course, the above is likely to change too, as we get closer to CDMA being completely defunct...more GSM towers going up, T-Mobile, Sprint and their MVNOs getting ready to snap up older Verizon customers when they realize that they were talked into buying a phone using dead-end cellular technology this late into the game.
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And for me, if I wish to import phones from other countries like the Moto XT1225 with the easily unlocked bootloader or even the Exynos variant Galaxy S8 with the easily unlocked bootloader, having a GSM/HSPA/LTE carrier like AT&T is fantastic. I'm NOT buying the S8, but I seriously considered it for a few weeks. If I did, it would NOT be the U.S. model which is bootloader locked, but the international Exynos variant. But for Verizon users, they have no choice. The Exynos variant doesn't have CDMA.
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It's going to be interesting to see how Verizon plans to exert control and keep customers, once CDMA is gone. They're going to need to adopt a different strategy, to continue making buying their locked-down phones appealing, since the whole "because our network is the best and only OUR radios are configured to work on it!" thing will be out.
Sure, being able to buy a phone over a two-year contract is nice (well I mean, contracts are nice if you like being at the mercy of the universe's sense of humor, personally I'd rather buy outright), but all carriers offer that sort of thing nowadays...and they don't sell "exclusives" that are gimped versions of the real thing. Usually.
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"ME TOO" PHONES
Have you ever heard of the Sharp Z2 Android phone? How about the Asus Zenfone 3? or BLU Vivo 6? or LeEco Le S3? Or some of the Xiaomi models? There's a dozen more I could list. All you need to know is they are 2016, 5.5", 1080p phones.
They all have about the same specs. None have Qi wireless, none have stereo speakers, etc. Is this something you could brag about to your friends? Is this something you would be proud to own?
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Oh come on, people don't buy copycat phones because they're trying to make a fashion statement, they buy them because they're cheaper than getting an S#, iphone, uhh...whatever else is competing with those in a given year.
To be honest, I see nothing wrong with there being a bunch of "me too" phones out there. They create competition, the higher-end ones (such as those by Xiaomi and OnePlus) put some pressure on the big players like Apple/Samsung/Lenovo to keep their prices from staying stupid-high for more than a few months at most. The low- to mid-range ones offer anyone low on cash an opportunity to have a frankly more than adequate handset. Gone are the days where "only" spending $150 on a phone meant you were getting something almost uselessly slow.
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I rag on my friends' iPhones that only have 1080p resolution. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014. Why would I downgrade to 1080p? And YES, I can see the difference.
When I went from 720p Galaxy Nexus to 1080p LG Nexus 5, ignorant people were saying "you can't see a difference between 720p and 1080p." Uh, yes you can. And those SAME ignorant people are now saying "You can't see a difference between 1080p and 1440p." Now if someone is telling me they want to buy 1080p because it's a BUDGET PHONE, and they don't care there's a difference in fine details on the display, OK. But don't tell me you can't see a difference. I work in visual media professionally and I easily see a difference, even on my 5.2" AMOLED display.
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No argument here. It's not a completely fair comparison since we're talking old flagship next to newish mid-range phone, but putting my "old" 1440p AMOLED screen next to my mother's g4 Plus 1080p IPS screen...the image quality, contrast and pixel response difference is night and day. Literally the only thing hers has going for it is maximum brightness.
And even two AMOLED screens, the higher-res version is going to win. The only way I can see someone not telling a difference is if they either need glasses, or never use their phone for an extended period of time.
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Back to feature mix and price points... ZTE Axon 7 excelled by putting in so many available features at such a low price point. First they made the 64GB/4GB RAM model (initially $400, now $357) available in the U.S. and later the 128GB/6GB RAM ($500) model available in the U.S. That latter model was not an "updated" model. They were both released in China in May 2016, but ZTE only exported the 64GB model to the U.S. at first..
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If it weren't for the large price difference when I was shopping, I would have bought an Axon 7 over the Turbo, despite it being slightly bigger. It really is a fantastic package aside from the lack of Qi charging, which is livable as far as I'm concerned. Just couldn't justify the $100+ difference for a used one at the time, and I badly needed a new phone.
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Where the new Nokia will run into problems is if there's enough DEMAND for two top tier 1440p phones at the same time everybody else is releasing their 2ND HALF 2017 1440p AMOLED phones!
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Nokia has the distinct advantage of a legendary brand name, without the disadvantage of being seen as "business-only" like Blackberry. They've already put out some Android phones that have been fairly well-received, so...why not? If they can manage the specs they're pushing without being too insanely overpriced (*coughBB-Privcough*), they should do fine...enough to continue experimenting, anyway.
It helps too that the concept images for the Nokia 9 thus far have painted a drop-dead gorgeous handset. If it's reasonably sturdy, looks good, and is fast, people might even be willing to overlook its lack of a headphone jack (which I suspect is a reality).
Septfox said:
No argument here. It's not a completely fair comparison since we're talking old flagship next to newish mid-range phone, but putting my "old" 1440p AMOLED screen next to my mother's g4 Plus 1080p IPS screen...the image quality, contrast and pixel response difference is night and day. Literally the only thing hers has going for it is maximum brightness.
And even two AMOLED screens, the higher-res version is going to win. The only way I can see someone not telling a difference is if they either need glasses, or never use their phone for an extended period of time.
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Good stuff, but thank you especially for this. :good:
I can't believe all the 1080p people who seem to just want to defend their favorite phone (iSheep, OnePlus zombies) without admitting 1440p resolution is the sign of a premier phone since 2014 for a very good reason.
Or front-facing stereo speakers, which some phones have had (HTC models, Huawei, Sony, LeEco, Alcatel, Moto X 2014, Moto Nexus 6, ZTE Axon 7, etc.) This is not a "new" concept! If you had the choice between one mono speaker or stereo speakers, why would you not want stereo?
Over in the Galaxy S8 forum, there's a thread about what could improve the S8. And since several professional reviewers have mentioned Samsung OWNS stereo manufacturer Harman Kardon, and front-facing stereo speakers would have been a nice touch on a premium phone, I also mentioned that point. And some fanbois just reacted with intense vitriol. As if having stereo speakers would somehow HARM them, make their testicles shrink and disappear. "IF you need stereo, use headsets or wireless ear buds!" And accused me of being some boombox-loving gangsta. Blah, blah, blah. This was in a thread specifically about how the 2017 flagship phone could be IMPROVED. They didn't have any ideas themselves, they just didn't like the implication the phone they just bought wasn't perfect in every way -- or couldn't be improved in any way. If you don't like the stereo speakers, no one will FORCE you to use them -- you can still use your wired headset or Bluetooth earbuds.
YET, I bet... I would bet $100 that if the OnePlus 3T had 1440p AMOLED and front facing stero speakers -- or the Galaxy S8/S8+ had front-facing stereo speakers -- the fanbois would eagerly point to those features as being the BEST, the pièce de résistance why their phones RULE.
Rumors are the OnePlus 5 will be 1440p. If true, what will the OnePlus fanbois say then?
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And the earlier point about the "Me Too" phones -- yes, competition is good. But I'm just getting tired of breathless announcements for yet anther -- wait for it -- 5.5" 1080p phone with EXACTLY the same specs as the last dozen phones announced by Chinese companies. This was why the top-tier hardware spec ZTE Axon 7 (at such a reasonable price) was a breath of fresh air. If 100 companies are going to go "Me Too", then go "Me Too" in THAT direction.
I'm just a hardware spec hound, and I make no apologies about that. SOFTWARE can always be improved, but hardware can't. See Apple's iPhone 4 ridiculous screw-up with their with un-insulated external metal band antenna, i.e. "grip of death". The only "fix" was rubber bumper cases. The FIX came next year, when they insulated their antenna properly in the iPhone 4S.
Start off with the best hardware, then software can do it's thing.
I don't care how EFFICIENT you claim the latest Snapdragon chipset is (we hear this each year), I will ALWAYS take a 4,000 mAh battery over a 3,000 mAh battery.
I will always take 4GB RAM over 2GB RAM,
I will always take hardware rear camera OIS over none (should have been included on our Quarks) vs software-only stabilization
NFC chip over none (Motorola's stupid decision to leave it out of 2017 U.S. Moto G5 Plus, but include it in "international" variants).
or stereo speakers over one mono speaker.
You can still buy a phone that might have something lesser or even missing, but don't tell me it wouldn't make the phone BETTER.
Why do I want this phone so much? It makes no sense.
http://www.pcmag.com/news/353461/jelly-is-the-worlds-smallest-4g-smartphone
It's just so cute and tiny!
TheSt33v said:
Why do I want this phone so much? It makes no sense.
http://www.pcmag.com/news/353461/jelly-is-the-worlds-smallest-4g-smartphone
It's just so cute and tiny!
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The TINY PHONE TREND returns
I just want the Glitch from ReBoot to be real
Well, as I suspected OnePlus doesn't have the guts to enter the Big Boy arena:
OnePlus 5 Fresh Leaks
http://playfuldroid.com/oneplus-5-f...der-3600-mah-battery-6-gb-ram-128-gb-storage/
1080p in 2017? On a flagship phone? Fail. Even laggard Apple is going to 1440p and they stay YEARS behind top tier Androids!
All major manufacturers since 2014 have offered 1440p. Even ZTE with the Axon 7 offers 1440p. Thus, OnePlus wants to stay in middle school, not play on the varsity team.
Also, no mention of Qi wireless, so another fail.
But not really a surprise. I don't hold a high opinion of OnePlus, not sure why everyone else drinks the Kool-Aid. The whole "never settle" crap motto, when I see PLENTY of hardware spec compromises.
It's the best of the "mid-tier" phones. Won't even be as good as Apple this year, and LOTS of Androids (even mid-tier) normally have better specs than Apple!
In 2014:
In 2016:
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But some of that "2018" stuff, Apple will reportedly get a year "earlier" -- in 2017! 1440p, Qi wireless charging... But OnePlus users still won't have it!
Why are you so hung up on wireless charging? I find it slow and rubbish, and the only thing it excels at is overheating my phone.
Watevah said:
Why are you so hung up on wireless charging? I find it slow and rubbish, and the only thing it excels at is overheating my phone.
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ASK APPLE WHY THEY ARE GOING TO IT? Because it's very useful.
You're not forced to use it you don't want. But I've had it since 2013 on two different phones and it's very convenient. My wife and I use it every day. Walk in, put the phone down. Pick the phone up, walk away.
It's not either/or. You can also plug in when necessary.
It's a premium feature I will insist upon having. Like 1440p.
ChazzMatt said:
You're not forced to use it you don't want. But I've had it since 2013 on two different phones and it's very convenient. My wife and I use it every day. Walk in, put the phone down. Pick the phone up, walk away.
It's not either/or. You can also plug in when necessary.
It's a premium feature I will insist upon having. Like 1440p.
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Yeah, well it's not like anyone is forcing me to use it, just want to find out why people prefer using it. I have a samsung Qi charger lying on my desk for a few months now and I'm almost ready to bin the useless thing. I think it's the first gen charger. Do the newer models have improved power output, at least?
Watevah said:
Yeah, well it's not like anyone is forcing me to use it, just want to find out why people prefer using it. I have a samsung Qi charger lying on my desk for a few months now and I'm almost ready to bin the useless thing. I think it's the first gen charger. Do the newer models have improved power output, at least?
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There is research being done so the new gen Qi wi-fi is faster, but I don't really care about that. I've been using this feature since my 2013 LG Nexus 5 and now on my 2014 Moto XT1225 (both me and my wife), and it's great just as it is. Sure, if you want to make it faster, fine.
I use the triple coil tilt ones so I can see notifications easily. Keep two in the living room, two in the bedroom. Even a couple at my mom's house, so we can use them when we visit.
It's not about speed, it's convenience. By the time we need to leave the house, they're charged. If you're going to put your phone down somewhere, it can be charging AND you can still see your notifications.
A friend of mine uses one at his office. The tilt charger lets him see his notifications, and if he has a meeting, just grab it and go.
The major stress on a phone is the constant plugging/unplugging/plugging/unplugging. Qi wireless charging prevents some of that stress.
Yeah, if I need to charge quickly I use any of the QuckCharge 2.0 chargers I have on hand. I even have dual port car chargers for me and my wife.
So, I'm not against plugging in, when necessary. Again it's not either/or. You can use both as needed.
But Apple is going to Qi wireless charging for their 1440p AMOLED phone, so they finally understand the nice convenience factor.
And I will have to find some more features Apple iPhone doesn't have to bash them, because they're about to take my two favorites -- 1440p AMOLED and Qi wireless charging...
I just won't buy a phone without either feature now that I've had them.
Essential FIH-PM1
One phone to add to the 2017 top-tier smartphone watch list now that OnePlus has struck out.
The mystery Andy Rubin "Essential" FIH-PM1 phone. Yes, the Andy Rubin who created a little start-up called Android and sold it to Google...
THAT Andy Rubin. He left Google in 2014, started a hardware company called "Essential" and is releasing a premier Android smartphone coming out this year.
The man who CREATED Android is now creating an Android smartphone.
This is the only CONFIRMED image of the phone, because that's Andy Rubin's hand holding the phone.
Someone THINKS this may be a prototype that showed up in a recent Michelin commercial because no other phones out right now have that combination of bezel-less look, and placement of ports. Not sure why it would show up in a tire commercial -- and in the commercial the volume buttons are on the wrong side -- so that's why I said the only CONFIRMED image is the one in his hand above.
Leaked specs are 5.5", 1440p, Snapdragon 835, 4GB RAM. Bezel-less display. 3.5mm headset jack (because he's NOT stupid). Also ceramic back -- which gives clue it might have Qi wireless charging.
If you decide to buy flagship device go for only Google devices. They are well thought and most long term supported.
IHMO.. Moto is only good for value/budget phones (E/G series).
z4ck1n said:
If you decide to buy flagship device go for only Google devices. They are well thought and most long term supported.
IHMO.. Moto is only good for value/budget phones (E/G series).
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1) I probably know more about Google hardware than you ever will.
2) While I will agree with you on Motorola being very laggard on updates -- I will not defend them in any way on that issue -- the 2014 hardware duo of Moto Nexus 6 and Quark series (XT1225/XT1250/XT1254), both released at the same time, shows they can play with the big boys. Motorola did make a Nexus phone with some of the best hardware specs ever made, and their Quark was basically the 5.2" version of that phone -- except for lack of stereo speakers and rear camera OIS. (Both were very strange omissions -- Motorola knew how to do hardware rear camera OIS as it's on the Nexus 6, and they had just put stereo speakers on the 2014 Moto X earlier that year. Very puzzling, and the only two things to prevent this from being the best phone EVER. It's not like they didn't charge enough money for this phone -- I paid about $700 each for my first two XT1225 in 2014.)
Quark (Moto XT1225/XT1250/XT1254) vs Moto Nexus 6
3) Uhmmm. I look suspiciously on Google ever since they released the too-big Nexus 6. They still haven't gotten back to where they should be. That was the FIRST of NOT having "well thought" design. Until then, they went with mainstream design size. That year, 2014, the mainstream display size was between 5.0" - 5.5", with the "average" being around 5.2". (Even Samsung with their Note phablets never went over 5.7" display size.) Google jumped the shark and went to 5.95" -- a 6" phablet! Of course people weren't going to buy it! They've admitted their mistake, and Motorola told them they shouldn't go that big. Whoever made that decision really missed an opportunity to solidify the Nexus branding as a commercial entity, and instead RUINED the Nexus brand.
"Well thought"? NO. Tell me what they were thinking with the HUGE bezels in the 2016 Pixel XL? They weren't thinking. Huawei turned them down for Pixcel and they had to go begging to HTC, who re-used a frame from a previous phone.
And they dropped Qi wireless charging, in both 2015 and 2017 when even Apple is adding Qi wireless charging now in 2017! (Motorola also stupidly dropped it, while Samsung did not.) If you charging THAT much money (over $800), you better have everything in the phone.
Look at the hardware specs of the ZTE Axon 7 AND the PRICE and look at the hardware specs of the Pixel XL.
The ZTE Axon 7 matches and even BEATS the Pixel XL in every hardware spec (except maybe camera) and is less than HALF the price. Why can't Google do that? Are they STUPID? I'm not paying EXTRA $400-$500 for HUGE BEZELS. Put some front-facing stereo speakers there, and I'll consider it.
It's not just about the price, but the hardware specs and the look. ZTE's frame is even designed by BMW. Google's frame they got out of the garbage dumpster behind HTC building. Look at the SIZE. The ZTE Axon 7 is SMALLER in spite of having the same display and even adding front-facing stereo speakers! "well thought"? HA!
Both have
same 5.5" 1440p AMOLED Samsung display
Pixel XL has 821 vs the 820 Snapdragon, only because it was released six months later. I would call that even.
4GB RAM
In addition, the ZTE Axon 7 has award winning DAC and front facing speakers + microSD card. I know that's a Google thing to not have microSD card, so if the Pixel XL was superior in all other aspects, I wouldn't even mention it.
Price? Currently over $800 vs $330. There's even a ZTE Axon 7 variant with 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory for $499 -- still beats the Pixel XL.
The only single point the Pixel XL is ahead in is the Google Pixel camera.
Well thought?
Don't make me laugh. Google should have bought 1 million ZTE Axon 7 phones, slapped their software on them, and sold THAT as the Pixel XL! They could even have marked it up a few hundred dollars and still made a profitl
If ZTE had used a ceramic/glass back and had Qi wireless charging, I would have bought 3 of them. Just like I own three Moto XT1225.
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I was a Google Nexus fanboi with the gen3 Galaxy Nexus and the gen5 LG Nexus 5, buying both for me and my wife. I also bought Nexus tablets, the 7 and the 9. I bragged incessantly about Nexus hardware.
But Google screwed up in 2014 with the whale Moto Nexus 6. The model number for the Nexus phones is NOT screen size! Google got confused and made it too big. They even had a 5.2" Nexus 6 version they were testing! We saw the leaked benchmarks in mid-August 2014:
Shamu:
5.2",
1440p,
Snapdragon 805,
3GB RAM.
It was there! They had two variants. Google should have released BOTH or just released the "mainstream" size. But they told Motorola go with the one that was too big. That's when they lost me. I'm NOT going to look like this:
Someone carrying a Nexus 6
Which is why I bought the 5.2" version, the Quark that Motorola released at the same time. It was either the 5.2" Shamu re-purposed, or had been developed in parallel -- don't really care, it was top tier specs in a size I liked. It's MY Nexus 6. Oh, and the 5.2" Quark has a BIGGER battery than the 6" Shamu! Another way Google always screwed up the Nexus phones -- they skimped on the batteries!
Still, with the Nexus 6 and the Quark series, Motorola finally did graduate to the top tier category.
Ever since then, Google has admitted their mistake by going smaller and smaller - 5.7", then 5.5". But they still don't quite understand -- and they stupidly releasing even smaller versions with mid-tier 1080p specs and lesser RAM.
It wasn't the COST of the Nexus 6 most people didn't like, it was the SIZE. It wasn't mainstream. Even Samsung didn't make their phablet Note series that big (overall frame size).
And now Google screwed up with the most recent phones, the Nexus 6P (although they made it smaller than the Nexus 6, it was also still too big a) and the Pixel XL (with the bezels) even though they made it even smaller than the Nexus 6 and the 6P.
I'll consider the 2017 Pixel XL IF Google can get their act together.
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Ever since 2014, I can also list the many mistakes Motorola has made under new owner Lenovo --
breaking their fast updates promise,
not fixing the two deficiencies in the Quarks (stereo speakers/rear camera OIS) in the 2015 Kinzie successor, and instead adding the silly plastic shatter shield gimmick.
making you pay EXTRA for what should already be in phone (mods, with stereo speakers, Qi wireless charging), and
even with the U.S. Moto G5 Plus -- stripping NFC out when including it for the rest of the world.
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Damn you Google! How dare you charge the actual price for the phone? We wanted you to pay for some of the phone again. Doing it twice for us (when we didn’t even ask) isn’t good enough!
The phone with a 2560x1440 OLED screen, 3220mAh battery, 13mp OIS camera, 2.7ghz quad core CPU, 3gb ram, adreno 420 GPU, 32/64gb storage, 4K video capture, metal frame and fast charging should have been $350!! Damn you for not giving this to us!
Seriously..
I agree, people are never satisfied.
You forgot the 84,000 LTE bands
Yeah, I understand that were all sticker shocked because it's not low-cost like the last two releases but come on... This is basically the zero-compromise "premium" Nexus we've been waiting for years now (minus the 6" screen).
Nexuses were never known as low-cost devices either, sure they somewhat were cheaper then other flagships at the time, but not zero profit cheap. The last two (N4, N5) have spoiled users.
This sounds like a typical fanboy response. It may be a good phone but it's not being sold at cost like you seem to think. Just because someone criticizes something or has a different opinion doesn't make them wrong. I for one want to way the pros AND the cons before I blindly follow just because I "love" google.
And besides, the nexus line was never meant to be the best phone in the world, it was a reference phone with good hardware at a good price, and the fact that they went a different route is what upsets some people.
the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much
hello00 said:
the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much
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Watch out. those are some flame war statements.
Anyways... It does have this:
Nexus experience
Stereo Speakers - Front firing
Wireless Charging + Turbo Charging
Worldwide LTE bands (it really does support a ridiculous amount of bands, US and everywhere else)
Not to mention no other phone besides the Note 4 has the same beastly specs and it costs $100 more. So how can you say it can't complete with other flagships? Your argument is without merit.
Bjray said:
Watch out. those are some flame war statements.
Anyways... It does have this:
Nexus experience
Stereo Speakers - Front firing
Wireless Charging + Turbo Charging
Worldwide LTE bands (it really does support a ridiculous amount of bands, US and everywhere else)
Not to mention no other phone besides the Note 4 has the same beastly specs and it costs $100 more. So how can you say that? It has no merit.
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The note 4 has everything youve mentioned except..it does not run pure android and does not have front speakers and sm n910c (note 4) runs exynos 5433 64bit which performs better than snapdragon 805 and have better battery life
I don't have so much of a problem with Google for charging $650 for that but rather for not offering a smaller, somewhat scaled-down, more affordable 2014 model handset. Not everyone wants a phablet after all.
The note 4 has everything everything youve mentioned except..it does not run pure android and does not have front speakers and sm n910c (note 4) runs exynos 5433 64bit which performs better than snapdragon 805 and have battery battery life
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The Note 4 doesn't have as many worldwide bands as the N6 at all. And wireless charging isn't built-in, it's an add-on.
Battery life remains to be seen. "Project Volta" is coming and Stock Android should provide less strain than TouchWiz. If anything they'll be about the same.
And you just proved my point, the Nexus 6 matched the mighty Note 4 and it only beats it in camera performance.
The fact is: The Note 4 and N6 are both beasts and have both have exclusive features for different sets of users. You can't go wrong either way...
Bjray said:
The Note 4 doesn't have as many worldwide bands as the N6 at all. And wireless charging isn't built-in, it's an add-on.
Battery life remains to be seen. "Project Volta" is coming and Stock Android should provide less strain than TouchWiz. If anything they'll be about the same.
And you just proved my point, the Nexus 6 matched the mighty Note 4 and it only beats it in camera performance.
The fact is: The Note 4 and N6 are both beasts and have both have exclusive features for different sets of users. You can't go wrong either way...
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Does anyone know a person that bought a phone due to how many worldwide bands it offers?
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Actually the number of bands is definitely a factor especially if you travel often. What impresses me is the iPhone 6 has twenty LTE bands!
BirchBarlow said:
I don't have so much of a problem with Google for charging $650 for that but rather for not offering a smaller, somewhat scaled-down, more affordable 2014 model handset. Not everyone wants a phablet after all.
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Buy a Moto X then. Basically the same thing but scaled down and might even have some cool Moto specific features.
hello00 said:
the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much
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I have a Note 3. I never use the IR blaster, front camera, never remove the battery, could give two craps less about a fingerprint sensor or a health rate monitor...
No SD slot sucks, but I have a large Dropbox and 25gb of cloud storage per device through Verizon as part of my plan.
Clearly you nor anyone else here quite knows which screen it has yet. But as long as it's at least as good as the Note 3, in which case it's better.....
I mean.... how badly do you want to hate a good thing?
Heart rate monitor. lol.
Have to check your heart rate when people are bashing the note 4. Lol
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Yea.... i have to agree with whoever it was that said the main difference between the Note 4 and Nexus 6 is the camera. Otherwise, the specs are basically identical.
@hello00 Yes, the SM-N910C has an Exynos 5433 chipset. But that's basically the only one that DOESN'T have a Snapdragon 805 chipset as far as i'm aware, and it isn't designated as a phone for the US market.
either way you look at it, i'd much rather have the Nexus 6. I mean... who in their right mind would want to have a phone that ACTUALLY ADVERTISES having a "Selfie-optimized front facing camera"? Sure as balls not me.
I'd have to agree with OP. Google held nothing back this time around and it shows in the price.
From what has been said the N6 uses the same Sony sensor as the G3 which has a great camera. I think it has the right hardware and software to justify the cost. I own a G3 cat 6 (SD805 model) and its a great phone. I am buying the N6 because I miss stock android and the ~6in screen is awesome. I had a Note 3 and I liked the large display,the G3 was a step down in size, but with a 6in 2k display I think I'll be happy. The SD805 is still a great SoC and with stock Android Lolipop it will likely be very smooth with hopefully good battery life. I will buy a N6 even if it has a AMOLED from the Note 3 era because that display is still very good compared to others and I never had any burn in.
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This sounds like a typical fanboy response. It may be a good phone but it's not being sold at cost like you seem to think. Just because someone criticizes something or has a different opinion doesn't make them wrong. I for one want to way the pros AND the cons before I blindly follow just because I "love" google.
And besides, the nexus line was never meant to be the best phone in the world, it was a reference phone with good hardware at a good price, and the fact that they went a different route is what upsets some people.
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Yes I'm a complete nexus fanboy despite the fact if you look at my post history, my last few phones are Sony Z3, Galaxy S5, One M8, LG G2, Galaxy S4 (i9505 and i9500).
For reference, the last truly great nexus phone was the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus 4 I returned after a week, and the Nexus 5 was so horrendous I didn't even bother. But yes, I'm a nexus fanboy.
Sony Xperia X Performance Dual with dual-SIM card slots
NETWORK Technology
GSM / HSPA / LTE
LAUNCH Announced 2016, February
BODY Dimensions 144.8 x 71.1 x 7.6 mm (5.70 x 2.80 x 0.30 in)
Weight 165 g (5.82 oz)
SIM Optional Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)
- IP68 certified - dust proof and water resistant over 1.5 meter and 30 minutes
DISPLAY Type
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.0 inches (~66.9% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch
Yes, up to 10 fingers
Protection
Scratch-resistant glass, oleophobic coating
- Triluminos display
- X-Reality Engine
PLATFORM
OS Android OS, v6.0.1 (Marshmallow)
Chipset
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
CPU Dual-core 2.2 GHz & dual-core 1.6 GHz
GPU Adreno 530
MEMORY
Card slot microSD, up to 200 GB (dedicated slot)
Internal 32 GB, 3 GB RAM
CAMERA Primary
23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Features 1/2.3" sensor size, geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, HDR, panorama
Video [email protected]
Secondary
13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
SOUND
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- High-Res audio
COMMS WLAN
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
GPS Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS/ BDS (region dependent)
NFC Yes
Radio No
USB
microUSB v2.0, USB Host
FEATURES
Sensors Fingerprint, accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass
Messaging
SMS (threaded view), MMS, Email, IM, Push Email
Browser HTML5
Java No
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- Xvid/MP4/H.265 player
- MP3/eAAC+/WAV/Flac player
- Document viewer
- Photo/video editor
BATTERY
Non-removable Li-Ion 2700 mAh battery
Stand-by
Talk time
maninder.email said:
Sony Xperia X Performance Dual with dual-SIM card slots
NETWORK Technology
GSM / HSPA / LTE
LAUNCH Announced 2016, February
BODY Dimensions 144.8 x 71.1 x 7.6 mm (5.70 x 2.80 x 0.30 in)
Weight 165 g (5.82 oz)
SIM Optional Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)
- IP68 certified - dust proof and water resistant over 1.5 meter and 30 minutes
DISPLAY Type
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.0 inches (~66.9% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch
Yes, up to 10 fingers
Protection
Scratch-resistant glass, oleophobic coating
- Triluminos display
- X-Reality Engine
PLATFORM
OS Android OS, v6.0.1 (Marshmallow)
Chipset
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
CPU Dual-core 2.2 GHz & dual-core 1.6 GHz
GPU Adreno 530
MEMORY
Card slot microSD, up to 200 GB (dedicated slot)
Internal 32 GB, 3 GB RAM
CAMERA Primary
23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Features 1/2.3" sensor size, geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, HDR, panorama
Video [email protected]
Secondary
13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
SOUND
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- High-Res audio
COMMS WLAN
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
GPS Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS/ BDS (region dependent)
NFC Yes
Radio No
USB
microUSB v2.0, USB Host
FEATURES
Sensors Fingerprint, accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass
Messaging
SMS (threaded view), MMS, Email, IM, Push Email
Browser HTML5
Java No
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Does it really not support Java?
I'm on hot waters for deciding a new phone. If this doesn't come to US and being able to be used on Verizon, that's where I'm making the jump for the Galaxy S7 Edge. I have everything dedicated towards my current phone, but being outdated is no fun. :/
@GigaSPX @0verdaflow Just buy unlocked and you are gonna be fine.
mirhl said:
@GigaSPX @0verdaflow Just buy unlocked and you are gonna be fine.
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Not without being on America's number one network.
If you mean you need CDMA I fear they give very few damns to something that adds complexity with no real gain.
Also, for your's sake (given you are posting on XDA, right?) you should avoid locked down cramped device.
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64GB model?
Hey I saw 64GB model of Xperia X in GSMarena specifications
Is it true and will Xperia X Performance have that too? cause that would be so awesome.
And it's not listed in Sony Mobile page also and I saw in Chinese Website in Taobao they mentioned about 64GB model, which is really awesome if they bring to the table cause I feel like it's a must since Android OS is taking like 9-10GB of internal storage.
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chesterr said:
Hey I saw 64GB model of Xperia X in GSMarena specifications
Is it true and will Xperia X Performance have that too? cause that would be so awesome.
And it's not listed in Sony Mobile page also and I saw in Chinese Website in Taobao they mentioned about 64GB model, which is really awesome if they bring to the table cause I feel like it's a must since Android OS is taking like 9-10GB of internal storage.
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Both X and X Performance have 64GB version, but only dual sim model.
You can see it from white paper.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/whitepapers/xperia-x-performance-f8132-white-paper/
http://developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/whitepapers/xperia-x-f5122-white-paper/
GigaSPX said:
I'm on hot waters for deciding a new phone. If this doesn't come to US and being able to be used on Verizon, that's where I'm making the jump for the Galaxy S7 Edge. I have everything dedicated towards my current phone, but being outdated is no fun. :/
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Giga,
Unfortunately, this phone WILL NOT work (at least not fully) on any CDMA networks/carriers........... Verizon, Sprint, & U.S. Cellular are all CDMA. The only major carriers that it WILL work on are the GSM ones............ T-Mobile or AT&T.
If you'd like more proof of this, then check here as I did. I have T-Mobile so for me it'll be fine. The only thing that's NOT fine is Sony taking F'ING FOREVER to release this d*mn phone! lol
You could always switch to T-Mobile too if you want. It just depends on your service area and how happy you are with Verizon. I had them before but I felt they charged too much, so I switched to T-Mobile and am VERY happy with them! You get more for less with them I feel. But like my sister lives in an area where T-Mobile is still not yet that strong (though this is changing rapidly IMO), and so she recently switched to Verizon and is very happy. But typically wherever I go I have a strong signal, especially since they recently cleared a Band 12 (700 MHz bandwidth spectrum) issue in my area. Now even indoors in like downtown (Chicago) area where before I had a low or no signal, it's now full strength! Plus if you switch they'll cover your early termination fees (if any) with Verizon.
I had the Z3 and it was the BEST phone ever! I recently got the S7 Edge and it's really nice but was too big IMO. Plus my fingers would accidentally sometimes hit stuff on the edge sides and activate/affect stuff on the screen like apps or video that I didn't intend to be touched. Maybe just takes some getting used to? So I switched to the regular S7 and yeah it's a great phone overall but due to me being unhappy with the physical home button, the sound quality and sound-related issues on this phone (crappy speaker, issues with connecting to portable amp/DACs) and lousy screen brightness (sucks under heavy sunlight), I am basically COUNTING THE DAYS until the X Performance is released! Sony phones are like the only ones left that I can stand at this point. lol
I wanted to give Samsung another chance after S5 (which I kept for like 4 days and returned cuz I couldn't stand it either lol), plus with all the promos they had like free Netflix etc I said F it. I love the promos, but now I feel stuck with the phone. I just hope Sony releases the X Performance by June as they said they would. I don't know why it's taking so long as everyone else has or will have released their phones by May (HTC 10). The only news we have is that the Xperia XA & X are to be released in the UK in early June (XA) and on May 20th (X). Lucky for them, though they are NOT getting the X Performance but we in the U.S. are.
Verizon and Snapdragon 820 Modem x12
Modem
Optional integrated X12 LTE
LTE Category 12/13
Up to 600 Mbps DL
Up to 150 Mbps UL
Global Mode
LTE FDD and TDD
WCDMA (DB-DC-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA)
EV-DO and CDMA 1x
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TD-SCDMA
I'm not familiar with the bands for verizon, but I'm pretty sure the new modem covers *all* broadbands even the unspecified ones programmable by software. I forgot where I saw this, but it looked really cool, anyways will those work?
I was checking Sony Mobile's US site tonight to see if there was an update on release dates and noticed that they had removed the fingerprint sensor from the specs list. I don't think it's ever had water resistance listed since I've been checking on updates. These features are both listed on Sony's Italian site. Why doesn't Sony want to succeed in the US? Who's going to pay probably $700+ for one of these? I guess I have to decide between the Z3 or a Z5 if I'm going to get a Sony phone. I was going to wait on the X Performance since it should be a little more durable, even though I don't think it looks as nice.
Hey Buggy,
Yeah you're right! And this is not even a WEEK after they'd added the fingerprint sensor TO the U.S. X Performance! Man, I love Sony's Xperia phones, but their marketing & sales people are f'ing stupid!! lol
The water resistance (IP65/68) is only available on the global/international model, which I am sure is the same as the Italian model. The U.S. model does NOT have this listed anywhere, so it won't have it either. This section from the int'l version's full specs page proves that even more so: "Durability
IP65/IP68 **; **: This service is not available in all variants or markets." So I am sure the U.S. variant won't have it (stupid Sony).
It sure DOES feel like they don't want to succeed, doesn't it? The ONLY good thing that the U.S. variant has that the other variants apparently do not is the inclusion of the QNovo Quick Charge 3.0 charger IN the box! So now, for the first time ever, Sony is giving us U.S. citizens something no other country is getting (wow! lol). If you go to the U.S. site you'll see it listed towards the bottom. But I'd still rather have water-resistance and a functioning fingerprint sensor.
I had the Z3 and it was the BEST phone I've ever had! I have the S7 now and yeah it's a great phone "overall" but once the X Performance comes out, I'm totally selling my S7 and getting the X Perf. F Samsung. lol No other phone out there does it for me. Only one that I'd even get is the HTC 10, but that would only be if I couldn't get the X Perf for some reason.
I actually really like the look of the Xperia X Performance. At first I didn't think I'd like it w/o the glass back, but actually, the graphite black and silver/white models have a brushed aluminum/hairline finish, which I LOVE. I'm super excited to get this phone! I even actually FOUND an online seller (who just happens to be located 10 min away from me......Chicago suburbs) who has the X Performance in all 4 colors available for pre-order right now. The company is called Expansys, and they have international locations all over the world. The U.S. Expansys site has the int'l (and yes better lol) version of the X Performance, so I pre-ordered it last week! If interested, go here to pre-order your own today! They have an A+ rating on the Better Business Bureau website, and I know of one person who's already ordered from them several times w/o any issues. Current release date for X Perf is 1st week of July. Hopefully that doesn't change (stupid Sony lol).
Well I think I've decided to just go with the Z3 or Z5(or the compact) for now and save a few hundred dollars. Sad that our choice for the new phone is a gimped version with a warranty or the no warranty international version with all the features(minus the quick charger). Does insurance like Square Trade cover phones without warranties?
I've enjoyed my HTC One M7 and wouldn't be looking for a new phone if I hadn't cracked it's screen. It still works just fine though, but it's given me an excuse to finally try a new brand and I've always thought Sony's were nice looking. I have a Tablet S that has worked well for me, even though Sony quickly abandoned it. The HTC 10 is also one of the only other phones I'd consider. Just hate that they ditched the distinctive front speakers. It now looks like a generic phone in front. I've never liked the looks of Samsung's UI or their phones...just too rounded. LG's V10 is nice, but too big.
Buggy,
You may (or may not) want to still get the XP after hearing what I have to say here. But either way (Z3, Z5, or XP), they are all great phones. The XP may not have the glass back of the Z-series, but for the most part it IS an improvement over both those phones. The XP has a better processor, the Snapdragon 820, which is more power-efficient than the Z5's 810 (40% more actually), and the slightly smaller screen adds to that 40% too. It has the same main camera sensor, but "improved algorithms" in the software to make for even better pictures, in addition to that "Predictive Hybrid Autofocus" feature which Sony has focused a great deal on. This official comparison review video of the Z5 vs. the X (X & XP have the SAME screen & camera) highlights some of the other improvements. But as the video points out, the main specs might be the same, but the software is apparently different. And the front camera apparently has better specs too. Watch it all if you like, but definitely watch 3:35-4:25 with regards to the screen brightness & color accuracy comparisons, and a little after that are the camera comparisons. To me, the XP is worth waiting for. But that's me. I have the S7 and the screen brightness on it sux a$$ under heavy sunlight, so I believe the XP will be better after watching that video. I'll be SHOCKED if the XP's brightness isn't higher than the S7's. I'll be comparing them both regarding that on the day I get the XP. lol Then there's this camera comparison b/t the XP, HTC 10, and Galaxy S7. For the first time EVER, Sony's smartphone camera BEATS Samsung's in quality and color accuracy while in auto mode! I don't believe this was the case even with the Z5. And this isn't even the final release version of the camera software either!
I have some good news regarding insurance on the unlocked XP. Not sure on Square Trade, but I have T-Mobile as my carrier, and they use Assurance for the phone insurance. I confirmed with TWO T-Mobile reps and ONE Assurance rep that as long as I register the XP on my T-Mobile account and keep paying the $8/mo insurance charge that Assurance WILL insure my unlocked XP phone, even though of course I'm NOT buying it from T-Mobile. This was VERY good news to hear! lol So now buying the (cheaper) int'l version makes even more sense.
Sounds like we think alike. I had the M8 and it was my SECOND favorite phone of all time, with the Z3 being #1 of course. lol That sux about your M7 screen, but yeah that was 3 years ago, so now maybe it IS time for an upgrade, especially if you have a cracked screen. I couldn't agree more on HTC's idiotic decision to remove the 10's bottom speaker and move it to the bottom side, and how it degraded the looks. They could've easily put that fingerprint sensor in front (which is NOT a physical button you can press by the way, which is a + IMO) on the back somewhere or the side like Sony does. I think they were trying emulate Samsung and Apple, which yes makes the phone look more generic. I hope the HTC 11 will see a return of the front-facing stereo speakers for HTC. That's one of the reasons I love Sony so much. They have not abandoned that speaker set up on their flagship phones, and they are still making a flagship-worthy phone that is NOT a phablet. I hate phablets (tried the S7 Edge.......too big IMO), so I'm glad Sony hasn't gone that route. If the XP wasn't coming out, I'd strongly consider the HTC 10 actually.
I too strongly considered the LG V10, mainly because LG put a premium amp/DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) chipset in the V10. It has the same chipset used in my $300 Oppo HA-2 portable amp/DAC. With a phone like that I wouldn't need the HA-2 in b/t my phone and headphones anymore, but again like you, I felt it was simply too big, so I passed, despite its great specs. And yes..... Samsung. lol Not a fan either of their UI or phones, though both have improved much in the last couple of years (I def like that they ditched the plastic-bodied phones finally, which I'm sure Sony and Apple had an influence on lol). The UI is still laggy IMO (downloads faster than my parents' Xperia Z1s ((2014)), but when jumping from app to app on the Z1s, I notice it loads up QUICKER than the S7, for real), the menu is less confusing than the S5's was but still not as simple as HTC's and Sony's, the stupid & awful-sounding lone bottom-facing speaker, the constant skipping when listening to music on it via the MicroUSB port (super annoying), and that physical home button: I hate them. lol I tried to give Samsung another chance, but although the phone is great in many respects & I got some sweet promos from buying it (i.e. 1 year of free Netflix HD streaming, etc), I have no desire at this point to keep it any longer than I have to.
I love Sony's Xperia phones the most, so whichever one you get will be great for sure.
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Buggy,
You may (or may not) want to still get the XP after hearing what I have to say here. But either way (Z3, Z5, or XP), they are all great phones. The XP may not have the glass back of the Z-series, but for the most part it IS an improvement over both those phones. The XP has a better processor, the Snapdragon 820, which is more power-efficient than the Z5's 810 (40% more actually), and the slightly smaller screen adds to that 40% too. It has the same main camera sensor, but "improved algorithms" in the software to make for even better pictures, in addition to that "Predictive Hybrid Autofocus" feature which Sony has focused a great deal on. This official comparison review video of the Z5 vs. the X (X & XP have the SAME screen & camera) highlights some of the other improvements. But as the video points out, the main specs might be the same, but the software is apparently different. And the front camera apparently has better specs too. Watch it all if you like, but definitely watch 3:35-4:25 with regards to the screen brightness & color accuracy comparisons, and a little after that are the camera comparisons. To me, the XP is worth waiting for. But that's me. I have the S7 and the screen brightness on it sux a$$ under heavy sunlight, so I believe the XP will be better after watching that video. I'll be SHOCKED if the XP's brightness isn't higher than the S7's. I'll be comparing them both regarding that on the day I get the XP. lol Then there's this camera comparison b/t the XP, HTC 10, and Galaxy S7. For the first time EVER, Sony's smartphone camera BEATS Samsung's in quality and color accuracy while in auto mode! I don't believe this was the case even with the Z5. And this isn't even the final release version of the camera software either!
I have some good news regarding insurance on the unlocked XP. Not sure on Square Trade, but I have T-Mobile as my carrier, and they use Assurance for the phone insurance. I confirmed with TWO T-Mobile reps and ONE Assurance rep that as long as I register the XP on my T-Mobile account and keep paying the $8/mo insurance charge that Assurance WILL insure my unlocked XP phone, even though of course I'm NOT buying it from T-Mobile. This was VERY good news to hear! lol So now buying the (cheaper) int'l version makes even more sense.
Sounds like we think alike. I had the M8 and it was my SECOND favorite phone of all time, with the Z3 being #1 of course. lol That sux about your M7 screen, but yeah that was 3 years ago, so now maybe it IS time for an upgrade, especially if you have a cracked screen. I couldn't agree more on HTC's idiotic decision to remove the 10's bottom speaker and move it to the bottom side, and how it degraded the looks. They could've easily put that fingerprint sensor in front (which is NOT a physical button you can press by the way, which is a + IMO) on the back somewhere or the side like Sony does. I think they were trying emulate Samsung and Apple, which yes makes the phone look more generic. I hope the HTC 11 will see a return of the front-facing stereo speakers for HTC. That's one of the reasons I love Sony so much. They have not abandoned that speaker set up on their flagship phones, and they are still making a flagship-worthy phone that is NOT a phablet. I hate phablets (tried the S7 Edge.......too big IMO), so I'm glad Sony hasn't gone that route. If the XP wasn't coming out, I'd strongly consider the HTC 10 actually.
I too strongly considered the LG V10, mainly because LG put a premium amp/DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) chipset in the V10. It has the same chipset used in my $300 Oppo HA-2 portable amp/DAC. With a phone like that I wouldn't need the HA-2 in b/t my phone and headphones anymore, but again like you, I felt it was simply too big, so I passed, despite its great specs. And yes..... Samsung. lol Not a fan either of their UI or phones, though both have improved much in the last couple of years (I def like that they ditched the plastic-bodied phones finally, which I'm sure Sony and Apple had an influence on lol). The UI is still laggy IMO (downloads faster than my parents' Xperia Z1s ((2014)), but when jumping from app to app on the Z1s, I notice it loads up QUICKER than the S7, for real), the menu is less confusing than the S5's was but still not as simple as HTC's and Sony's, the stupid & awful-sounding lone bottom-facing speaker, the constant skipping when listening to music on it via the MicroUSB port (super annoying), and that physical home button: I hate them. lol I tried to give Samsung another chance, but although the phone is great in many respects & I got some sweet promos from buying it (i.e. 1 year of free Netflix HD streaming, etc), I have no desire at this point to keep it any longer than I have to.
I love Sony's Xperia phones the most, so whichever one you get will be great for sure.
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RockStar2005,
Thanks for your input and the tip on T-Mobile's insurance policy. I know I want a Sony phone, but I'm still so indecisive when there's quite a chunk of money involved. If the XP is over $700 are the improvements really worth $200-$300 more than a Z5 or Z3? Plus, how long is it really going to be before it's released here? Sony seems to be pushing back the release dates in Europe. Guess it will just give me more time to save up. lol
BuggyDub said:
RockStar2005,
Thanks for your input and the tip on T-Mobile's insurance policy. I know I want a Sony phone, but I'm still so indecisive when there's quite a chunk of money involved. If the XP is over $700 are the improvements really worth $200-$300 more than a Z5 or Z3? Plus, how long is it really going to be before it's released here? Sony seems to be pushing back the release dates in Europe. Guess it will just give me more time to save up. lol
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Buggy,
Not a problem. Thought you might find that information useful.
Yeah I understand. And you've got a cracked front screen to deal with as well. The price of the XP HERE in the U.S. will very likely be less than the price it goes for in other countries. We (the U.S.) don't charge VAT (Value-Added Tax) on imported products like other countries do, so that helps keeps the prices down. You may still pay a LOCAL tax, but not a VAT too. Just something to keep in mind.
I can't really tell you if it's "worth it" because you know my answer, but you may not feel the same way. Again, if I had a cracked screen I may not be so patient either. You could just buy the Z3 or Z5 then upgrade again when the XP is here, or at some point in the near future?
How long? That's a great question Buggy. lol Though Sony IMO makes the BEST phones, their marketing and sales departments are dumb as F. lol I mean, NO real ads for the Xperia smartphones here in the U.S.? No billboard or TV ads? Nope, but they do put those video ads up on YouTube! Of course, the reason why that's so dumb of them to do is that the only ppl who will see them are those who were gonna prob buy an Xperia phone anyway! lol You think if someone doesn't know about their phones they're gonna magically think to go to YouTube to watch their ad? And the ads aren't even that great typically, with one exception (see pics and especially the vid). They need more ads like this one that are personable, and also I think some ads with some big actors like George Clooney, Jennifer Lawrence, Bradley Cooper, etc.
In countries like Sweden, Sony is just as big, if not bigger, than Samsung......and big surprise, they actually ADVERTISE there. lol But anyway, yes, the X got pushed back about 2 weeks, but I believe it will still come out in June. Now when it actually comes out HERE is another story. lol I wish I could tell you the XP will get released on time, but I don't know. Sony Mobile DID re-promote them all in the U.S. just yesterday (see link below, and videos too), but still, no dates were announced. I realize as time goes on that trying to make sense of their odd way of doing business is basically a waste of time. I'm just gonna wait for the phone, buy it, and hope they get their act together one day. lol
JUST saw this new article as I was typing this e-mail. Hopefully it means they are on schedule? Of course, I'm not buying the U.S. version anyway, but I figure the sooner either the U.S. or int'l version gets released, the sooner the U.S. will get both.
RockStar2005 said:
Buggy,
Not a problem. Thought you might find that information useful.
Yeah I understand. And you've got a cracked front screen to deal with as well. The price of the XP HERE in the U.S. will very likely be less than the price it goes for in other countries. We (the U.S.) don't charge VAT (Value-Added Tax) on imported products like other countries do, so that helps keeps the prices down. You may still pay a LOCAL tax, but not a VAT too. Just something to keep in mind.
I can't really tell you if it's "worth it" because you know my answer, but you may not feel the same way. Again, if I had a cracked screen I may not be so patient either. You could just buy the Z3 or Z5 then upgrade again when the XP is here, or at some point in the near future?
How long? That's a great question Buggy. lol Though Sony IMO makes the BEST phones, their marketing and sales departments are dumb as F. lol I mean, NO real ads for the Xperia smartphones here in the U.S.? No billboard or TV ads? Nope, but they do put those video ads up on YouTube! Of course, the reason why that's so dumb of them to do is that the only ppl who will see them are those who were gonna prob buy an Xperia phone anyway! lol You think if someone doesn't know about their phones they're gonna magically think to go to YouTube to watch their ad? And the ads aren't even that great typically, with one exception (see pics and especially the vid). They need more ads like this one that are personable, and also I think some ads with some big actors like George Clooney, Jennifer Lawrence, Bradley Cooper, etc.
In countries like Sweden, Sony is just as big, if not bigger, than Samsung......and big surprise, they actually ADVERTISE there. lol But anyway, yes, the X got pushed back about 2 weeks, but I believe it will still come out in June. Now when it actually comes out HERE is another story. lol I wish I could tell you the XP will get released on time, but I don't know. Sony Mobile DID re-promote them all in the U.S. just yesterday (see link below, and videos too), but still, no dates were announced. I realize as time goes on that trying to make sense of their odd way of doing business is basically a waste of time. I'm just gonna wait for the phone, buy it, and hope they get their act together one day. lol
JUST saw this new article as I was typing this e-mail. Hopefully it means they are on schedule? Of course, I'm not buying the U.S. version anyway, but I figure the sooner either the U.S. or int'l version gets released, the sooner the U.S. will get both.
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Well, as my phone is still working, I have time to wait. I'm just impatient and I want a shiny new phone now! (even is it ends up being a year or two older than the latest thing)
You'd think with also being a music and movie company they'd have some celebrities who'd do commercials for them...or at least do more product placement in videos and movies Music videos would be good because they probably get watched by a lot more people than most movies, and repeatedly. I guess they did with the last James Bond movie but it's not nearly enough. It would be nice if they made more of an effort here in the US to market their phones. They need to quit gimping the US versions though, and maybe that's why they don't do much to promote them. They'd have more people going "BUT WHYYY?!?!?!?! THAT'S SO STUPID!!," like me.
Buggy,
Yeah your phone is working which is good, but I hear you on being impatient and wanting to replace it. I'm hoping the new US videos mean they're fully intending on releasing the XP on time (1st week of July!). It makes me nervous though that the X is supposed to come out on June 10th, yet the U.S. Sony Mobile site STILL does not have it listed for pre-order, neither does the international site. The UK Amazon site has it for pre-order though, but the U.S. Amazon site doesn't even have it listed period. I'm hoping that maybe Sony will just release them all at one time here in the U.S., but who the F knows? lol God do I wish I could just put my foot up Sony Mobile's idiot CEO's ass just once! lol
Yes, I would AND DO think that! They had the Sony-Erickson phone (whatever its name was) in Casino Royale, which came out 10 years ago! lol Not sure on Quantum of Solace, but SkyFall (2012) featured the original Xperia Z in it. Then came SPECTRE last year........ that's when they stopped featuring Xperia phones because Daniel Craig and director Sam Mendes didn't think it was "Bond-worthy". So instead I think they featured some watch instead. They did however do a Bond-related ad which actually DID get some U.S. TV time (shocking, I know lol) but only ran for maybe a month? lol It featured Moneypenny and was actually an ad for both the Z5 and their new camera at the time. Whatever........that movie wasn't anything special anyway. lol It was nice though to actually see an Xperia ad on TV though vs. online.
I've been saying in these various forums for months now.........you're SONY........get some big actors like George Clooney, Jennifer Lawrence, Bradley Cooper, etc to do ads for you. DON'T make them generic or boring. Get a U.S. ad agency to do them perhaps. I mean, the last 2 actors I just mentioned have ALREADY DONE movies for Sony, so they already have an established relationship with them. I even wrote to Sony Mobile and told them to do this too. I mean, they should get like Sony Movies and Sony Music etc to invest some money into Sony Mobile too..................if SM features ads with these actors or musicians, it's a win-win for both parties. And yes, removing key features from the U.S. versions is inexcusable BS and needs to stop too. So frustrating. If I didn't love their phones to death (or hate the competing phones out there so much lol), I'd go elsewhere. I just hope the XP comes out on time. I mean, it's gotten so bad to where I'm literally checking out stuff daily. I even have a "Google Alerts" setup on the XP.........I get an e-mail every night right after midnight giving me updates on anything new that's related to it. lol Can't wait for this crap to be over with.
Buggy,
Major update:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_x...ws-18530.php
http://www.theverge.com/circui...availability
Pre-orders for XP begin June 19th, XP gets officially released on July 17th! Now, I think this is for the U.S. XP, which of course is somewhat lacking (no IP65/68, and I guess now they took the fingerprint sensor back off it), though it WILL come with the QNovo Quick Charge 3.0 charger. I though will be getting the int'l one, which I'm hoping will come out SOONER than the U.S. version? I know it will most likely be cheaper too, since the int'l Z5 is cheaper than the U.S. version is. But the fact that the U.S. one has a date at least means we have a better idea of when things will start to happen.
For now, I will keep my pre-order in place with Expansys, which is for the int'l one. They are located all over the world, but the U.S. one is like 10 minutes away from me (Chicago suburbs). But if U.S. Amazon gets the int'l one too by early July, then I'd rather just order from them.
RockStar2005 said:
Buggy,
Major update:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_x...ws-18530.php
http://www.theverge.com/circui...availability
Pre-orders for XP begin June 19th, XP gets officially released on July 17th! Now, I think this is for the U.S. XP, which of course is somewhat lacking (no IP65/68, and I guess now they took the fingerprint sensor back off it), though it WILL come with the QNovo Quick Charge 3.0 charger. I though will be getting the int'l one, which I'm hoping will come out SOONER than the U.S. version? I know it will most likely be cheaper too, since the int'l Z5 is cheaper than the U.S. version is. But the fact that the U.S. one has a date at least means we have a better idea of when things will start to happen.
For now, I will keep my pre-order in place with Expansys, which is for the int'l one. They are located all over the world, but the U.S. one is like 10 minutes away from me (Chicago suburbs). But if U.S. Amazon gets the int'l one too by early July, then I'd rather just order from them.
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Mind you there still is no information band support, nor is there info on finger print sensor or waterproofing.
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Posted in the other Quark forum, but I know some of you don't even know where that is...
This is to discuss the Droid Turbo 3/Moto Z Force coming at the end of the year.
The 2015 Kinzie was a disappointing successor the Quark. It didn't fix what was wrong and added something not needed.
There will be a "Droid Turbo 3" in the 4th quarter, as well as international variant -- just like the last two years. Don't know the code name yet, but here's hoping they don't mess it up. This new ZTE Axon 7 is very much what I hope the "premium" top tier end of year phone will be...
ChazzMatt said:
Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).
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monza1412 said:
Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent?
I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup.
It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.
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I agree about the Moto Z design. It's like they stuck a postage stamp fingerprint sensor at the bottom with crazy glue.
For the Moto Z Force/Droid Turbo 3, I'm hoping they will keep the 1440p AMOLED display and fix what was deficient in the 2014 Quarks, not what was not. In the 2015 Kinzie they did not add rear camera OIS nor stereo speakers, but instead added that gimmicky plastic display thingy -- which actually picked up MORE scratches.
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ZTE AXON 7 - specs and hands on review
http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-hands-694960/
Read the specs (below) on the new ZTE Axon 7.
1440p AMOLED display. Snapdragon 820. Tons of LTE bands. Rear camera OIS, stereo speakers. In-display fingerprint sensor! (NOT just stuck at the bottom to take up space.)
Comes with either 4GB RAM/64 GB or 6GB RAM/128GB configuration. Both have microSD expansion. $450 for the minimum configuration. Unbelievable.
Add Qi wireless, IR sensors, 4000 mAh battery and that's the phone I want to be the Moto Z Force.
Lots of other great stuff -- on screen fingerprint sensor (not one that takes up space at the bottom of the phone), and a dual sim card slot for people who travel a lot. Just needs Qi wireless charging, bigger battery, and IR sensors.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11765102/zte-axon-7-specs-price-launch
The new phone has Qualcomm's highest-end processor, 4 or 6GB of RAM, a quad HD AMOLED display, metal chassis, quick charging, and a new dual-speaker system with Dolby surround sound. You might expect to pay upwards of $600 or $700 for a device with those specs, but ZTE says the new phone will cost under $500 when it arrives in the US in the coming weeks.
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http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/zte-axon-7-1322212/review
And while it has enough bands to support all US phone networks, it'll only work with AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards for now. Verizon and Sprint compatibility is due "possibly later in the year," resting in the hands of the two CDMA carriers to flip the switch. All of the antennas are inside - this isn't just a GSM phone.
The good news here is that it's packed with 64GB of internal storage and will cost $449 (about £340, AU$691). You won't have to deal with a pesky two-year (or any) contract for that price.
ZTE Axon 7 review
There's also a 128GB ZTE Axon 7, which includes the company's own take on a "Force Touch" display, an always-on screen and 6GB of RAM. That makes it faster than the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge
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SEE? Lenovo, you can do this for the 2016 "Moto Z Force"/Droid Turbo 3!
I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
monza1412 said:
I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy [emoji14] is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
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I am very impressed by that ZTE Axon 7, especially the 6GB RAM/128GB variant with Force Touch display.
If only it had Qi wireless charging, I might even forgo the bigger battery.
I don't need no stinkin' add on modules Lenovo is trying to foist on us in the "Moto Z" line! Just make the phone good enough to begin with! It's like a car manufacturer saying, "Oh, you want a steering wheel with that?" "Oh, you want tires with that?" The 2014 Quark just needed a couple of items like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers to match the Moto Nexus 6 in specs. And it was already the perfect size and had 1440p AMOELD display with IR sensors. Motorola was SO close! I don't know why they can't see that.
LG's add-on modules are also silly, and they dropped Qi wireless from the G5. And I was big LG fan.
So, I will wait for end of the year and see what Lenovo manages to do with end-of-year phone -- as well as look at the Nexus models.
But Google screwed up the last two years, so I'm not confident. First, in 2014 Google went WAY too big, and then for 2015 they dropped Qi wireless. Samsung has Qi wireless, it's like they are the only ones with sense! I don't care if you have fast plug in charging -- it's not either/or, you can have both!
I may be keeping the Quarks until 2017...
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
Inside is a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 32GB of storage, a 12MP rear camera, a MicroSD card slot, NFC, wireless charging, and a 5.1-inch quad HD screen - all of which match the vanilla Galaxy S7. The "Active" upgrades add a shatter-resistant screen, IP68 and MIL STD 810G ratings for water, dirt, and temperature resistance, and an FM tuner. An "Activity Key" can be bound to a selection of apps based on hold and tap patterns. The physical home button, flanked by two physical nav buttons, hides a fingerprint sensor.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
monza1412 said:
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
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I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
Raistlen0 said:
I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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also ZTE has rear carmera OIS. If the Samsung has it, I overlooked it.
BUT, the Samsung has the missing Qi wireless charging and 4000 mAh battery the ZTE needs.
If Motorola can combine all that into one phone, that would be perfect.
ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZDNET is trying to get hold of a ZTE Axon 7 for review, so we'll see...
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Indeed, there are other nice smartphones from China, such as the recently announced ZTE Axon 7 (which we hope to have in-house shortly).
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OR look at the Vivo Xplay 5 Elite... It just topped the speed tests on Antutu for May, 2016.
Top 10 fastest smartphones: Surprise! Apple and Samsung are nowhere near the top
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-10-fastest-smartphones-list-contains-some-unexpected-surprises/
Interestingly, the top three smartphones are all powered by the Snapdragon 820 chipset, and have 6GB of RAM, while the top four are all from Chinese manufacturers.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/viv...-ram-snapdragon-820-dual-edge-display-677287/
The Vivo Xplay 5 specs also include the Snapdragon 820, 128 GB of internal storage and a 5.43-inch QHD dual-edge Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S7.
The Vivo Xplay 5 features a metal unibody design, fingerprint scanner, fast-charging 3,600 mAh battery and Hi-Fi 3.0 dual stereo speakers (with FM radio, even). With a specs sheet like this and a price tag around $650, you have to ask yourself: did Vivo just make a cheaper Galaxy S7 Edge?
The answer is likely “no” but you do have to be impressed with the Xplay 5 on paper. Of course, history and experience has shown us time and time again that you can’t trust a trust a specs sheet to predict real-life performance
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So, they echo your concerns about Android optimization. :good:
But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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Don't forget IR sensors
well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
The Moto Z Force uses the same specifications and basic design as the Moto Z, but it adds on the "Shattershield" technology from the DROID Turbo 2, a larger 3500mAh battery, and proprietary fast charging that can (according to Lenovo) add 15 hours of runtime with just 15 minutes of charging. The Z Force is compatible with MotoMod accessories, but it can also be customized on Moto Maker like the older Moto X series.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
Just few snap-on modules, like projector, or external stereo speakers, and they bring that Ashton Kutcher (looking as SJ) saying "we reinvented smartphone's platform" :laugh:
Well, let's wait reviews of real-world usage this thing.
Moto X Force Droid Edition, not "Droid Turbo 3"
So, no "Droid Turbo 3" -- instead Moto Z Force Droid Edition, with an UNLOCKED Moto Z Force to be sold at retailers like Best Buy.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force-hands-on_id82031
Pricing, release date, and expectations
No pricing or release dates were offered at Lenovo Tech World, but with flagships packing new goodies typically come flagship prices. The new Moto Z series will be a Verizon exclusive in the US at launch this summer, carrying on the Droid line-up for Big Red as the Moto Z Droid Edition and Moto Z Force Droid Edition. Later in the year, Motorola says that unlocked models will be available for sale through retailers like Best Buy
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10409/motorola-moto-z-and-moto-z-force
The "unlocked" version will be sold at retailers like Best Buy in the fall. So, we in the U.S don't have to go another country to get them (like Quark and Kinzie). THAT's when the dev work will begin, when the unlockable bootloader versions come out. Wonder if they will also have Verizon bands?
At least there won't be arguments over XDA forum names -- it will be Moto Z Force, not matter what.
I'm very surprised the premium Moto Z Force is being announced this early in the year. The last two years Motorola released it 4th quarter, after all the suckers bought the regular Moto X phones with lesser specs.
Has laser assisted autofocus rear camera with OIS. Good.
However looks like the only way to get Qi wireless charging is to buy the add-on extended battery pack mod? BAD. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi charging and they just are not mentioning it yet. Yet, with the extended battery pack (with Qi) you would have 3500 mAh + 2200 mAh = 5700 mAh battery.
Motorola Has Four Moto Mods Ready To Launch Alongside Moto Z, More Coming Later
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...s-ready-launch-alongside-moto-z-coming-later/
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Motorola's Incipio offGRID Power Pack seems like the most appealing Mod. It adds a 2200mAh battery and 6.2mm of thickness. There's a standard and wireless charging version of this battery that weigh 79g and 85g, respectively. The wireless version works with both Qi and PMA pads.
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https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-offgrid-power-pack
Also the "shatter shield" is much improved and not as gimmicky as last year's Kinzie.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/09/moto-z-and-z-force-hands-on/
And unlike the Droid Turbo 2 (which, by the way, survived being run over by my car), the ShatterShield setup here doesn't seem to require a thick plastic screen protector anymore.
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monza1412 said:
well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
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Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.
Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Exactly. I just can't justify any phone besides a Nexus due to lack of software updates, security concerns, and general lack of support. We have great devs and I have enjoyed moto hardware, but honestly the majority of the dev community is with nexus and nexus hardware has progressed substantially from the old galaxy nexus days lol. In the Android world, only the nexus devices are actually receiving the OEM support an essential piece of technology deserves.
I'll be moving to a Nexus in the fall, but I've had a good run on xda since the og droid. Maybe Lenovo and the rest of the OEMs will get their act together someday.
I think that the key point of this crap its going to be price. Don't forget that they are late to the game (as every year), even the first phones to arrive will be Verizon exclusive, so hopefully they will release their unlocked version in the middle of the new nexus hype window...
yep, good luck with that lenovo.
Hm, seems like Lenovo won't kill Moto X family...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-dead-moto-z-provides-a-different-experience/
Any thoughts on the one plus 3? I think it looks gorgeous..
Anxiously waiting for reviews.
As these leaks start flowing I'm only getting more and more disappointed in this device. Have really been hoping for 1)A very high end device or 2) An affordable device with flasgship-esue specs. Both of these look like they will not be happening.
- Should be getting the 821 at this point. Yes, it's just an OC'd 820 but it's late in the year. 820 is already months old.
- Waterproofing. This should be standard at this point. Not a huge factor but this is now a premium device, it should have all the features.
- OEM Unlock? With Verizon as a partner as well as the XDA article yesterday on root with multiple partitions, looks like this may not be as easy as before.
- Very bland looking. If I'm going to be paying $700+ for a phone, I want to be proud to show off the design. So far it brings nothing to the table.
In short, this is looking like the exact same specs as the HTC 10/S7 with Pure Google software. The hardware on its own doesn't excite.
Redeeming Areas:
- UFS Storage. Would love the speed and wouldn't mind losing an SD card slot for faster read/write speeds.
- Financing. This would soften the blow of a more expensive phone.
- Quick updates. This is a given and the best part of the phone.
- OEM unlocking. Ensure me that this phone will be the best developer device on the market.
Open to other's thoughts.
not with the rumors so far
1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
2. Bezel is too big looks like apple crap phone
I am agree with All your point, it's true that the Google pixel doesn't have a design to proud off with the price range
I don't feel premium and confident for my daily work especially when I am bored and look to my phone trying to admire the engineer of beauty behind this masterpiece
so far, I don't have good feeling with Google Pixel..
it's like, comparing macbook and chromebook..
Pretty sure it's 821
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The pixel phones are ugly. The huge bezel and nav bar will use up like 2cm of space at the bottom. It's clear that they aren't competing with samsung in the design department. Price to performance is also off. The main reason why most people preferred the s7 or note 7 over the oneplus 3 is that it looks better and has a better screen. The only real difference in specs between the pixel (not xl) and the 1+3 is the screen resolution. When we compare the regular pixel phone with the 1+3, it seems to offer even less for the 650$ price tag.
To summarize, why would I buy a big ugly note 7 (the pixel xl) for the same price as the original note 7? Does it make sense to pay $250 more than the 1+3 just to get a pixel phone with stock android?
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1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
2. Bezel is too big looks like apple crap phone
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Right!
I just don't understand why bezels have gotten larger since the Note 3 from Samsung which had amazingly small top/bottom bezels.
AND... phones seem to be getting heavier instead of lighter.
5.5" vs. 5.7" phones and yet the 5.7" phone is smaller and lighter.
Even the Note 4, Note 5 and Note 7 are all taller & heavier than the Note 3.
Qi wireless charging
I want Qi wireless.
1) it's very convenient
2) I have too many 3-coil tilt chargers just to throw away
3) Google's excuse last year for dropping Qi because they included Type C plug was idiotic. It's not either/or Qi or Type C. You can have BOTH, just like the Samsung Note 7. If I don't want to plug my phone in when I get home, then I don't want to plug my phone in. Again, you can have BOTH Qi and Type C in one device.
My LG Nexus 5 had Qi and my current Moto XT1225 has it.
Yet, Google dropped it and now Lenovo/Motorola also dropped it as a built-in function -- making you buy a silly "mod" in their Moto Z series to get Qi wireless charging. I'm NEVER buying any mods or any phone that requires mods. The LG G5 failed spectacularly and I hope the Moto Z does as well.
I've had my current phone since 2014, and I'll buy next year's Samsung Galaxy Edge 8 or something to get Qi if I have to. Samsung is smart enough to realize people still want Qi wireless charging, even if no other manufacturer seems to have a clue.
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1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
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Because 6" was a huge mistake, if Google was just going to release ONE phone. Even 5.7" is too big for a mainstream phone. That's why Samsung has different sizes for their "flagship" Galaxy 7 (5.1", 5.5") and Note 7 (5.7") series. Samsung realizes just because you want a smaller phone, you still want 1440p AMOLED, and fastest CPU/GPU.
In 2014, Google and Motorola had both 5.2", 1440p, 3GB RAM, Snapdragon 805 gen6 Nexus in testing (benchmarks were leaked) as well as the 5.95" -- and Google went with the WHALE. (Motorola said they cautioned against it, as most people don't want a HUGE phone. Google did it anyway.) Google should have released both sizes, the way Apple released two sizes in 2015. Google could have started the trend!
Instead, Motorola released that 5.2" phone as the "Quark". (Moto XT1225, XT1254, XT1250) 5.2", 1440p AMOLED, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, Qi wireless, Quick Charge 2.0, 3900 mAh battery, 21MP camera. Kevlar back overlaid with ballistic nylon. It'll stop a bullet for you in a bad neighborhood! :good: I own three Moto XT1225 and run them on AT&T. (LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17) It was basically the 5.2" gen6 Nexus phone Google should have released. Has almost all the specs of the Nexus 6 but a bigger battery: 3900 mAh. Because Google always skimps on Nexus phone batteries.
So in 2015, Google admitted they made a mistake with the too-big Moto Nexus 6 by releasing TWO Nexus phone sizes, 5.7" and 5.2" -- but the smaller one should have had the same specs as the larger one except for display size. Google screwed up again by making the smaller Nexus a "mid-tier" phone. No one wants a mid-tier phone. (My 5.2" Moto XT1225 has 1440p, so screw you Google! I got the gen6 Nexus phone you wouldn't release!) So, in 2015 everyone who wanted a top-tier Nexus phone had to get the 5.7" size. But it's too big for most people. (See Samsung above.)
Now in 2016, Google is downsizing to more mainstream 5.5" for their top tier 1440p phone, as well as a 5.0" 1080p phone. In reality, they should have a 5.2" and 5.7" series (both 1440p!). Or 5.4" and 6" (both 1440p!) No one wants just 5.0" anymore. If it's got slim bezels the smaller one could even be 5.4", and then for the larger you could have a 6" "phablet"
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Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
THIS is the phone Google should be making!
ZTE Axon 7
$400 with free shipping in the U.S.
If gold is too flashy for you also comes in a gray/silver look.
5.5", 1440p AMOLED
Fantastic hi-fidelity stereo audio with front facing speakers
20MP rear camera + OIS
8MP selfie camera
Snapdragon 820
4GB RAM
64GB internal memory + microSD slot (128GB cards available)
(In China, there's also a 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory version. )
It is also among the first devices to support "Daydream" -- Google's mobile virtual reality engine.
And yes, I know Google doesn't do microSD cards. I'm just listing the specs of the Axon 7 and wondering why Google can't do SOMETHING as good for the Pixel XL for around the same price? It even uses the SAME 1440p AMOLED display the Pixel XL will have.
$400 for this phone.
Well I purchased the HTC 10 when it was released in April. I knew that the next Nexus (Pixel) was going to be made by HTC. I remember some of the Build quality issues from HTC and the company losing direction. I did not know what to expect. Well the HTC 10 was the best build quality phones that I have ever owned. The HTC 10 I believe is the best phone on the market today. If the pixels are looking almost identical to the 10. I purchased the HTC 10 with the $100 savings if you purchased directly from HTC. $599.00. I sold my HTC on swappa 2 months ago, knowing that the new Nexus (Pixel) would be coming. If it has the sd 821 I will be happy. I am hoping the $649 is for the 32gb Pixel XL ???? The $$$ for the Pixel seems high. Stay tuned. lol
I am thinking really exactly like you.
If it costs 650$ and has only 6 months old technic I wont buy it for this price. This is just overpayed...
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Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
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I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.
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Well I purchased the HTC 10 when it was released in April. I knew that the next Nexus (Pixel) was going to be made by HTC. I remember some of the Build quality issues from HTC and the company losing direction. I did not know what to expect. Well the HTC 10 was the best build quality phones that I have ever owned. The HTC 10 I believe is the best phone on the market today. If the pixels are looking almost identical to the 10. I purchased the HTC 10 with the $100 savings if you purchased directly from HTC. $599.00. I sold my HTC on swappa 2 months ago, knowing that the new Nexus (Pixel) would be coming. If it has the sd 821 I will be happy. I am hoping the $649 is for the 32gb Pixel XL ???? The $$$ for the Pixel seems high. Stay tuned. lol
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Yup, I bought my HTC 10 through Verizon for a relative bargain at $550. However, the LCD (Polarization to be exact) display is what's been turning me off to it coupled with constant software bugs. I continually have to reboot my phone when it gets too taxed with Android Auto...
However, I may just bite the bullet and bootloader unlock it and slap CM on it when it gets stable for my "pure Google" experience.
I'm sure these will be good devices but as you guys mentioned....the price just doesn't quantify the "premium" aspects.
ChazzMatt said:
Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
THIS is the phone Google should be making!
ZTE Axon 7
$400 with free shipping in the U.S.
If gold is too flashy for you also comes in a gray/silver look.
5.5", 1440p AMOLED
Fantastic hi-fidelity stereo audio with front facing speakers
20MP rear camera + OIS
8MP selfie camera
Snapdragon 820
4GB RAM
64GB internal memory + microSD slot (128GB cards available)
(In China, there's also a 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory version. )
It is also among the first devices to support "Daydream" -- Google's mobile virtual reality engine.
And yes, I know Google doesn't do microSD cards. I'm just listing the specs of the Axon 7 and wondering why Google can't do SOMETHING as good for the Pixel XL for around the same price? It even uses the SAME 1440p AMOLED display the Pixel XL will have.
$400 for this phone.
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I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.
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What people have had mixed reviews about is the SOFTWARE, not the hardware. For instance, the EU version has softer audio output than the crisp, clear U.S. version. Yet, this phone has already won awards for its audio.
Who cares about ZTE's OS when Google has their own?
What I am pointing out is the HARDWARE SPECS and the PRICE. This is the type of hardware and price Google should be releasing with their version of Android. Look at those bezels! THIS is what the Pixel XL should be! :good:
Google could buy this from ZTE for $400 -- slap their own software on -- and sell it for $450! I bet ZTE would even give Google a discount for bulk purchase -- like a million devices.
Yes, I totally agree with this. I mean, why shall I pay that much amount of money for something, whose specifications are nearly the same (or even worse) than a smartphone, which got released earlier this year, (S7 and S7 Edge 3/11/16).
I am really hoping for Qualcomm's S821 and a decent quantity of battery. A bad camera or quiet speakers would be a big no-go from my standpoint.
However, I am just agonising my head for random rumours. The 4th will tell me, if it is really worth buying it.
NUTS
What is with these vendors trying to shut down root all together? There is no logical reason to do so, I can't recall who but one provider claimed that rooted phones could jeopradize their entire network, are you serious?? what non-sense.
I was really under the Impression that Google was somewhat pro root, now this, a phone that sounds like it will be nearly impossible to root, or if root is achieved, a process (number of steps involved) that would send even a veteran rooter into a very nervous state of mind fearing a brick at the end of the root attempt.
There are some amazing developers on this site and in all likelyhood root will probably be achieved, but this whole us verses them were in now between developers and Manufacturer's will most likely never end. And it's all completely pointless as a rooted phone could never harm a vendors system.
Finance doesn't really make up for a big increase in the price. There has to be something hidden we haven't seen yet. google can't stand on stage and say "here is our new flagship phone, with the same price and features as a Samsung S7 but 6 months later, with the biggest bezels you will see this year"
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As these leaks start flowing I'm only getting more and more disappointed in this device. Have really been hoping for 1)A very high end device or 2) An affordable device with flasgship-esue specs. Both of these look like they will not be happening.
- Should be getting the 821 at this point. Yes, it's just an OC'd 820 but it's late in the year. 820 is already months old.
- Waterproofing. This should be standard at this point. Not a huge factor but this is now a premium device, it should have all the features.
- OEM Unlock? With Verizon as a partner as well as the XDA article yesterday on root with multiple partitions, looks like this may not be as easy as before.
- Very bland looking. If I'm going to be paying $700+ for a phone, I want to be proud to show off the design. So far it brings nothing to the table.
In short, this is looking like the exact same specs as the HTC 10/S7 with Pure Google software. The hardware on its own doesn't excite.
Redeeming Areas:
- UFS Storage. Would love the speed and wouldn't mind losing an SD card slot for faster read/write speeds.
- Financing. This would soften the blow of a more expensive phone.
- Quick updates. This is a given and the best part of the phone.
- OEM unlocking. Ensure me that this phone will be the best developer device on the market.
Open to other's thoughts.
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It will suck. Already looks like poop. Going to be WAY too expensive, no stereo speakers, no microSD. What's the point? Axon 7 is superior except for the lack of roms. If that was solved it would be the killer of 2016
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USMC retired said:
What is with these vendors trying to shut down root all together? There is no logical reason to do so, I can't recall who but one provider claimed that rooted phones could jeopradize their entire network, are you serious?? what non-sense.
I was really under the Impression that Google was somewhat pro root, now this, a phone that sounds like it will be nearly impossible to root, or if root is achieved, a process (number of steps involved) that would send even a veteran rooter into a very nervous state of mind fearing a brick at the end of the root attempt.
There are some amazing developers on this site and in all likelyhood root will probably be achieved, but this whole us verses them were in now between developers and Manufacturer's will most likely never end. And it's all completely pointless as a rooted phone could never harm a vendors system.
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Because you are NOT allowed to do what you want. What is wrong with you?
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I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.
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Agreed, hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.
Locklear308 said:
It will suck. Already looks like poop. Going to be WAY too expensive, no stereo speakers, no microSD. What's the point? Axon 7 is superior except for the lack of roms. If that was solved it would be the killer of 2016
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Because you are NOT allowed to do what you want. What is wrong with you?
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Agreed, hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.
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True, I guess I'm getting selfish for wanting to shell out around $650.00 and have only Google control it, I really do need to have my head examined
What the Hell going to buy the XL. Its only money. Going to have much more dev then ZTE. It should be a goog phone. Have another beer and get ready to place it in your cart and press pay. lol
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Agreed, (ZTE AXON 7) hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.
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No, we have too many 5.5" 1080p slabs. Need more 1440p AMOLED, PLEASE.
I wasn't sure where to put this thread so I decided to put it here because the Nexus 5x was one of the last devices of the Nexus line. The Nexus line meant a lot to me because I owned 4 Nexus products. A galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and Nexus Q. It makes me nostalgic. Does anyone still miss the Nexus Line? I am going to be so sad when they removed the 5x and 6p from the Google store .
I've owned 4 I believe as well. Nexus s 4g, Nexus 7 gen 1, Nexus 6 and currently I swap between a LeEco Le Max 2 and Nexus 5x. There is no experience like what you would get on those devices. Very nostalgic and a very tight community. These devices will definitely be missed when they are removed.
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I have lik... 4 or 5 Nexus 5's. It was easier to just buy a new one on ebay. I loved that phone - now I love the 5X, it's sad to see that the Pixel isn't going to be a good replacement.
Any suggestions for a future upgrade? Needs to of course be fully root/mod supported like the 5X..headphone jack.. fingerprint sensor (got used to unlocking with it on my N5X), prefer: swappable battery / SD card / Qi charging, anything out there / coming out like that?
Motorola was the second closest thing to the Nexus line. I had a first generation x and third generation x. The first generation Moto x was like a Nexus. Those were nostalgic times. Lenovo ruined Motorola now. Motorola is inconsistent with their light skin. All of their phones have 7.1.1 and the weird icon pack except for the dialer and you can only enabled the battery percentage next to the icon on the z series and they removed moto maker. I also don't get why they have a 3gb variant in India and a 2gb variant in the states (for the base model 2gb of ram is terrible!!
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I have lik... 4 or 5 Nexus 5's. It was easier to just buy a new one on ebay. I loved that phone - now I love the 5X, it's sad to see that the Pixel isn't going to be a good replacement.
Any suggestions for a future upgrade? Needs to of course be fully root/mod supported like the 5X..headphone jack.. fingerprint sensor (got used to unlocking with it on my N5X), prefer: swappable battery / SD card / Qi charging, anything out there / coming out like that?
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The moto G5 plus is a great option. I was actually deciding between an ice blue Nexus 5x and a moto G5 plus. I'm consistently able to get 7 hours of sot and it's a great value but make sure you get the 64gb variant. It's nothing to do with the storage but it has 4gb of ram(the base model has 2gb of ram). This device is well supported but I'm assuming that Motorola is only going to push out one update because the third generation Moto g only got on update and the 4th generation wasn't supposed to get Oreo(only the plus is getting Oreo). It's pretty much a Nexus except it won't be getting monthly security patches.
I loved the shield tablet. I got the original one and it beat Google's support. It got a lot of bug fixes and stability updates. It also got updates all the way from KitKat to nougat. Nostalgic times.
I'm glad that Google came up with Android one. The moto x4 android one is like the new Nexus 5x. The Nexus 5x was a great phone but it should have had 2 instead of 3gb of RAM and a snapdragon 810. The ice blue color looked beautiful.
The Nexus line really died with the 5. I bought a Nexus 5X, but even that was when the prices started to climb. It wasn't horribly expensive, but it's clear other manufacturers can build phones with similar hardware cheaper. The Nexus line always had community support, was decent hardware, at a great price point. The Pixel really is none of that, it's Google wanting to be the next Apple, and failing. I've owned many Nexus devices, starting with the Galaxy Nexus, and ending with the Nexus 5X (with several in between). I have 6 Nexus tablets in the house (3 Nexus 7s, 3 2013 Nexus 7). With the release of the Pixel, I went elsewhere. We now have two Huawei phones, neither which I'm really impressed with, but they had official Lineage support. So perhaps next I'll try OnePlus? On the tablets I'm picking up Samsung T813/T713 to replacing the Nexus 7s 2013s as those have Official Lineage support.
I much preferred the ease of Nexus line, and the hardware. However I'm not going to support Google's current hardware strategy, much less there's not much development behind their new devices anyways. I haven't tried a Motorola perhaps I should try one of those, they've been releasing several phones that are affordable with impressive specs, with bootloaders that can be unlocked.
After decidedly poor Nexus 5X phone (with only 2GB of RAM in 2015, bootloop of death, poor charging, and a half broke Oreo update) and Nexus 9 with only 32GB of storage and no expansion card slot, I sure won't miss this line in future. Android still desperately needs a good selection of mid-range devices. Perhaps Huawei Honor or Oneplus will be it in future, but Huawei does have the reputation of using nonstandard skin and less developer friendly.
Don't buy a moto device if you are going to stay on the stock rom. Lenovo has ruined Motorola. I miss the time when there was only the g, e and x series and I remember getting the lollipop update on my first gen moto g a few days after my friend got it on his first gen moto x. Now Motorola is weird. They have so many phones the g5, g5 plus, g5s plus, g5s, e4, e4 play, z2 play, z2 force, x4 and x4 Android one. I don't know why they decided to turn the x series into a mid ranger. Also the z2 force is so expensive, has a small battery and a decent camera. Also all the phones are running different software. They are either running 7.0 or 7.1.1. It's not like they are all on 7.0 or 7.1.1. Motroala intended the g series to get 2 major software updates but Lenovo has decided to give it 1 major update and a few security patches. Lenovo bought moto when I had a g3. I was so hyped to get nougat but Motorola didn't give it. After I saw the g4 I thought it was a great buy but the phone was only supposed to receive nougat. The only reason why the g4 plus is getting Oreo is because it was accidentally written on Motorola's website that the g4 is supposed to get nougat and Oreo. The worst part is it's only the g4 plus and not the g4. I used to like Motorola until Lenovo bought it. The first 3 moto G, x and e phones were good and the moto x4(android one edition) and why did Motorola release the g5s series. I feel like Motorola is trying to make g5 owners feel bad. The g5s has a 5.5 inch screen and a dual camera. I can't say anything on the dual cameras but I wish I had a 5.5 inch screen on the moto g5s plus. Also it costs $400 but no USB C? Honestly a one plus 3t or 5 is a better buy. Motorola is headed down a dark path and the company is a mess. I might ditch moto unless the g6 comes with 4gb of RAM as the base model and has USB c. Motorola is headed down a dark path according to me. I might buy the first gen pixel XL or the next one plus. Motorola said "Since the time of posting this, we have learned of some errors in our marketing materials around Android O upgrades for moto g4 Plus. It’s our general practice for the moto g family to get one major OS upgrade per device, so it wasn’t originally planned for Android O. But it’s important to us we keep our promises, so in addition to the N upgrade it has already received, we will be upgrading moto g4 Plus to Android O. Because this is an unplanned upgrade, it will take some time to fit into our schedule, we’ll update our software upgrade page when we have more info.
*Based on the Android 8.0 Oreo Announcement on August 21, 2017."
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I have lik... 4 or 5 Nexus 5's. It was easier to just buy a new one on ebay. I loved that phone - now I love the 5X, it's sad to see that the Pixel isn't going to be a good replacement.
Any suggestions for a future upgrade? Needs to of course be fully root/mod supported like the 5X..headphone jack.. fingerprint sensor (got used to unlocking with it on my N5X), prefer: swappable battery / SD card / Qi charging, anything out there / coming out like that?
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Is the Nexus 5X your daily driver and what color do you have. Quartz, black or ice blue?
Nexus is my backup phone to my company phone (various including galaxy s5, s7, and iphone). It's sad to see the demise of the nexus product family, but it's not surprising. The quality of the nexus line has been terrible and the support has been terrible. People put up with that because the phones were decent in terms of price and performance. Since google has is going down a different path (a dead-end path), hopefully other vendors like oneplus or nokia will take up where google abandoned nexus.
I'm currently using a 5x that I inherited from my son. It was brought back from the dead by getting a motherboard replacement under extended warranty when the original died due to the boot loop defect. Previously I used a 5, also inherited. This phone recently died due to the boot loop problem caused by the defective power button. The most common phone in my extended family is nexus 5, by far.
I really liked the clean simple design of the 5. I like that the 5X is larger, but the camera protrusion really detracts from the design. The 5 performed okay, but now that I'm using the 5X, I realize how slow the 5 was. If the 5X had more ram and a faster processor, it would be the perfect phone for me.
I can't relate to the obsession with "premium" appearance (i.e., metal and glass). Current flagship phones feel nice in your hand, but if you drop them, they are finished. So you need to put them in a case. In a case, all that matters is the display.
Google has dropped the ball so badly in so many ways. Pixel is a disaster. The phones are overpriced and have too many flaws. Google's quality control is garbage. Their support is garbage. They are mismanaging android, due to the fragmentation. As much as I hate apple and as much as I think ios is a mediocre OS, the one thing they have done right is keep the herd running the latest OS. I have the latest OS on my company 5s. This phone is older than a nexus 5 and it has the same OS version as the iphone X. Google abandoned the nexus 5, yet apple is keeping the 5s up to date exactly the same as an x. Things like this are why apple is eating google's lunch, but google is too stubborn and too stupid to see this. They don't support their own phones, so how can they expect the oems like samsung to keep their phones up to date?
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Nexus is my backup phone to my company phone (various including galaxy s5, s7, and iphone). It's sad to see the demise of the nexus product family, but it's not surprising. The quality of the nexus line has been terrible and the support has been terrible. People put up with that because the phones were decent in terms of price and performance. Since google has is going down a different path (a dead-end path), hopefully other vendors like oneplus or nokia will take up where google abandoned nexus.
I'm currently using a 5x that I inherited from my son. It was brought back from the dead by getting a motherboard replacement under extended warranty when the original died due to the boot loop defect. Previously I used a 5, also inherited. This phone recently died due to the boot loop problem caused by the defective power button. The most common phone in my extended family is nexus 5, by far.
I really liked the clean simple design of the 5. I like that the 5X is larger, but the camera protrusion really detracts from the design. The 5 performed okay, but now that I'm using the 5X, I realize how slow the 5 was. If the 5X had more ram and a faster processor, it would be the perfect phone for me.
I can't relate to the obsession with "premium" appearance (i.e., metal and glass). Current flagship phones feel nice in your hand, but if you drop them, they are finished. So you need to put them in a case. In a case, all that matters is the display.
Google has dropped the ball so badly in so many ways. Pixel is a disaster. The phones are overpriced and have too many flaws. Google's quality control is garbage. Their support is garbage. They are mismanaging android, due to the fragmentation. As much as I hate apple and as much as I think ios is a mediocre OS, the one thing they have done right is keep the herd running the latest OS. I have the latest OS on my company 5s. This phone is older than a nexus 5 and it has the same OS version as the iphone X. Google abandoned the nexus 5, yet apple is keeping the 5s up to date exactly the same as an x. Things like this are why apple is eating google's lunch, but google is too stubborn and too stupid to see this. They don't support their own phones, so how can they expect the oems like samsung to keep their phones up to date?
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Yes I agree in so many ways. Google used to be great. I remember so many people used to have Nexuses( or nexi?) back in the day but most of the people I know have switched to an OEM like Samsung or LG. One of my friends is a hardcore Nexus fan. He has had all the Nexuses except for the 6p and Galaxy Nexus. He currently has a 5x and I wonder what he's gonna do because he only likes stock Android. I'm not even sure where the pixel is headed. I still have my doubts about the first and second generation pixel. I don't even know why Google decided to add the edge sense feature. In the past the phone, charging cable and charging brick was made by the company who made the hardware of the phone and the software was always stock Android (no additional features) but for the pixel they are adding to the software with unique features. I also hate Motorola. I'm not a fruit fan but I gotta admit they are doing pretty good so far. Their devices are still supported and their geekbench scores are just amazing. I don't know what to upgrade to. I only want stock Android but there's no way I'm gonna buy a pixel(even if I have the money for it) and Motorola is headed down a dark path. Huawei seems like a great company (with their AI and machine learning which is impressive) but their software looks ugly. Their icon pack reminds me of the gingerbread days. I don't like TouchWiz and LG's UX seems sluggish (I still haven't gained their trust after the bootloop issue). I might buy a one plus 5t but I'm not sure. I generally buy mid range phones and I really wished I could have bought the moto x4 android one edition. I want to stay out of Samsung and LG mid rangers because there are so many of them, they have underpowered processors and they are most likely never gonna get any future updates. Also, they don't have a true mid ranger which rivals against other mid rangers like the g5 plus and honor 6x.
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Yes I agree in so many ways. Google used to be great. I remember so many people used to have Nexuses( or nexi?) back in the day but most of the people I know have switched to an OEM like Samsung or LG. One of my friends is a hardcore Nexus fan. He has had all the Nexuses except for the 6p and Galaxy Nexus. He currently has a 5x and I wonder what he's gonna do because he only likes stock Android. I'm not even sure where the pixel is headed. I still have my doubts about the first and second generation pixel. I don't even know why Google decided to add the edge sense feature. In the past the phone, charging cable and charging brick was made by the company who made the hardware of the phone and the software was always stock Android (no additional features) but for the pixel they are adding to the software with unique features. I also hate Motorola. I'm not a fruit fan but I gotta admit they are doing pretty good so far. Their devices are still supported and their geekbench scores are just amazing. I don't know what to upgrade to. I only want stock Android but there's no way I'm gonna buy a pixel(even if I have the money for it) and Motorola is headed down a dark path. Huawei seems like a great company (with their AI and machine learning which is impressive) but their software looks ugly. Their icon pack reminds me of the gingerbread days. I don't like TouchWiz and LG's UX seems sluggish (I still haven't gained their trust after the bootloop issue). I might buy a one plus 5t but I'm not sure. I generally buy mid range phones and I really wished I could have bought the moto x4 android one edition. I want to stay out of Samsung and LG mid rangers because there are so many of them, they have underpowered processors and they are most likely never gonna get any future updates. Also, they don't have a true mid ranger which rivals against other mid rangers like the g5 plus and honor 6x.
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If you're looking for a mid-range android phone, there aren't a lot of options, especially if you like a "pure" android.
My son has a oneplus 5 and he likes it, except for the fingerprint reader and the camera, which he doesn't like at all. It's a decent phone and the 5t will be an improvement. The nokia 8 looks pretty nice and the nokia 9 should be an improvement.
Pixel doesn't interest me at all. The 2 XL is too large and the 2 is just a warmed over pixel. It looks like it's a couple of years old, which it basically is. It's a lazy poor excuse for a phone. I'm so disgusted with google, they would have to knock it out of the park before I would buy another one of their phones. Their service and support suck and their products are hardly impressive.
There isn't a lot of love for samsung, but I was happy with the GS5 and the GS7. I could be happy with a GS8 or GS9. The two things I don't like about samsung are touchwiz (which isn't nearly as bad as it used to be) and knox, but you can live with them.
Guess I'll chime in with a little something of my own.
Back before the 5X was released, everybody dumped on it because the 6P coming as well, the "superior" version. And, to an extent, everyone was right to do so. The 6P had superior specs in everyway. But I still went ahead and bought my 5X on launch and I was happy, for a time. Then, the boot loop happened. What's funny about that, is the fact that it was virtually unheard of (correct me if I'm wrong), until the issue became insanely widespread at the same time, more or less a year later. And then, it started happening with the 6P. I think a little less severe than the 6P, but still happening nonetheless. So I got my replacement, which Google honored even though the warranty was way out, and I continued to enjoy my 5X. Because honestly, this device was really good for it's time. But the truth is, that time was very short lived because shortly after the release of these devices, better things started coming out almost immediately and instantly the 5X felt dated. But! It was kept alive by the wonderful dev scene we have here.
With that being said, this phone is just past it's prime, and now we're in the Pixel era of the Nexus line, which just costs too damn much (and even have their own sets of hardware problems) so I'm looking to finally pass this phone on. I've been eyeing the 5T a lot since the rumors about it started. Snapdragon 835 processor, same as the recent flagships of this year, a decent camera that can hold it's own against the competition, a beautiful design (yes, whatever, it looks like an iPhone knockoff but I truly love that design), decent sized battery, fingerprint reader on the back where it should be. The 5T is ticking all of the boxes I'm looking for in my next smartphone upgrade. I don't really care that the screen isn't QHD or whatever because honestly, any screen is gonna be better than the 5X, so I'm truly not missing out on much. The only thing I know I'm gonna be upset about, is the sacrificing of first-in-line Android OS updates. No matter how much a company boasts about how near stock Android is on its device, there's always gonna be a wait for updates, rather than getting it immediately as soon as Google pushes it. That's something I'm gonna have to get used to, leaving the Nexus line. But at this point, the upgrade is well worth it.
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Honestly I feel like the Nexus 5x would have been an awesome phone. I don't care if it's made of plastic, if it has a large camera bump and if it doesn't have a qhd display. If Google would have decided to put in the same snapdragon processor as the 6p and 3gb of ram, then it would have been an awesome phone. There's something about the color and design of the phone which I love. The ice blue color looks beautiful and honestly the black and quartz white. If it didn't have the bootloop issue and if it had the same specs as the 6p I would have bought it over my g5 plus which I currently own. The 808 was ok but my friend said that it could barely run Snapchat. I can't believe that the life time of the 5x is coming to an end. It felt like Marshmallow was yesterday. It's going to receive 8.1 and maybe a few security patches. I'm glad that Google decided to extend the time the 5x gets updates for. Honestly I feel like 8.0 is going to drain battery so 7.1.2 is what 5x users should stay on. I still can't understand why I love the design of the 5x so much. It's hard to look for a phone running stock Android and that gets updates first for a mid range(ish) price *cough cough pixel*.
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Honestly I feel like the Nexus 5x would have been an awesome phone. I don't care if it's made of plastic, if it has a large camera bump and if it doesn't have a qhd display. If Google would have decided to put in the same snapdragon processor as the 6p and 3gb of ram, then it would have been an awesome phone. There's something about the color and design of the phone which I love. The ice blue color looks beautiful and honestly the black and quartz white. If it didn't have the bootloop issue and if it had the same specs as the 6p I would have bought it over my g5 plus which I currently own. The 808 was ok but my friend said that it could barely run Snapchat. I can't believe that the life time of the 5x is coming to an end. It felt like Marshmallow was yesterday. It's going to receive 8.1 and maybe a few security patches. I'm glad that Google decided to extend the time the 5x gets updates for. Honestly I feel like 8.0 is going to drain battery so 7.1.2 is what 5x users should stay on. I still can't understand why I love the design of the 5x so much. It's hard to look for a phone running stock Android and that gets updates first for a mid range(ish) price *cough cough pixel*.
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Yeah it's a real shame that the Pixel line is such a disappointment. I mean, no headphone jack? ****ing hell google.
Ikr. Is Google turning into Apple. Pixelbook: Pixel 2: pixelbuds = 12 inch MacBook:iPhone 8:airpods.
The Nexus support officially kind of ended yesterday. Android P Dev 1 came out and the Nexus 5x and 6p don't officially support it.
DarthMaul14 said:
The Nexus support officially kind of ended yesterday. Android P Dev 1 came out and the Nexus 5x and 6p don't officially support it.
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Security updates, Nexus 5x and 6p will receive until Nov 18. After 5th Nov 2018 , bye bye official support. Thanks to 3rd party developers to bring us next version of android.