I am interested, and I am sure others are as well in removing Amazon's bloatware from their decent tablet.
I know the $49 tablet has done it, I am just wondering about compatibility.
It would be so awesome if we got CM-12.1 on the HD 8.
nyln said:
I am interested, and I am sure others are as well in removing Amazon's bloatware from their decent tablet.
I know the $49 tablet has done it, I am just wondering about compatibility.
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It would be so awesome if we got CM-12.1 on the HD 8.
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Would be awesome. Hopping this happens. But before this can happen we would first hear of a custom recovery option for the HD10 like TWRP. Which is more complicated then making a Rom. After that Roms can be next.
Hopefully a couple of good developers can get their hands on some HD10's to get them developing for them. :fingers-crossed:
Note: Missed the part that you where asking about HD8's not HD10's. But since HD10's are the only of the two that are rootable at the moment. I would think the HD10's are more likely to get recovery & Roms.
- I have been looking into the HD8 and HD10
- They seem to use the same firmware - both are codenamed 'thebes'
- All the known exploits have been fixed up by amazon making these devices well locked down
- The devices use the MediaTek 8135 and this has proved very difficult to work with
- The Amazon HD6 uses the same processor and while I was able to get CM-11 working, there were problems with video playback, bluetooth etc
- Getting TWRP to work on these devices has a low probability
- However if we get a working version of FlashFire for these devices then there is a possibility for a custom ROM.
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- I have been looking into the HD8 and HD10
- They seem to use the same firmware - both are codenamed 'thebes'
- All the known exploits have been fixed up by amazon making these devices well locked down
- The devices use the MediaTek 8135 and this has proved very difficult to work with
- The Amazon HD6 uses the same processor and while I was able to get CM-11 working, there were problems with video playback, bluetooth etc
- Getting TWRP to work on these devices has a low probability
- However if we get a working version of FlashFire for these devices then there is a possibility for a custom ROM.
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Humn... Wonder if kingroot has ever been tested on the older FW on HD8 since they are the same as HD10's. Don't own one so haven't paid attention to HD8's.
Forgot about FlashFire, which would be great for HD10/HD8. Is there a way to request FlashFire support. Maybe the developer might just need some info/files from us to get it going.
Y314K said:
Humn... Wonder if kingroot has ever been tested on the older FW on HD8 since they are the same as HD10's. Don't own one so haven't paid attention to HD8's.
Forgot about FlashFire, which would be great for HD10/HD8. Is there a way to request FlashFire support. Maybe the developer might just need some info/files from us to get it going.
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I haven't ask Chainfire yet, he's seems to have a lot on his plate.
I can confirm Kingroot works on the HD8 and therefore the HD10.
I don't own either devices but was able to borrow an HD8 for a small amount of time and I managed to gain root access with the latest version of KingRoot.
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I haven't ask Chainfire yet, he's seems to have a lot on his plate.
I can confirm Kingroot works on the HD8 and therefore the HD10.
I don't own either devices but was able to borrow an HD8 for a small amount of time and I managed to gain root access with the latest version of KingRoot.
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Please ask Chainfire at least what he would need from us so we can get them ready for him.
I knew HD10 was KingRootable. But did not know about HD8. Thanks for verifying that. I don't even have the HD10 anymore myself. But do have long distance access to it. I gave it to a family member. But I hope to still get CM12.1 or other ROM on it for them to get the full Android experience. Hope it happens.
I do have a few 7"rs here. Thanks a lot for the ROMs you've release for it. :good:
I have had no issues with roots, Kingroot works great on all versions.
I used FlashFire which worked great, didn't need a custom recovery on Fire 7".
I can confirm that root works on the HD8, and I had the latest update
dementio said:
I can confirm that root works on the HD8, and I had the latest update
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Good to know. So both tablets just need a working FlashFire & then some ROM's...
I have asked Chainfire about Flashfire support here
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I have asked Chainfire about Flashfire support here
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"- The three devices are the Amazon Fire HD6, HD8 and HD10. The HD8 and HD8 share the same firmware." needs to be changed to "- The three devices are the Amazon Fire HD6, HD8 and HD10. The HD10 and HD8 share the same firmware.". Thanks for requesting this. Will add a ditto to that thread.
Y314K said:
"- The three devices are the Amazon Fire HD6, HD8 and HD10. The HD8 and HD8 share the same firmware." needs to be changed to "- The three devices are the Amazon Fire HD6, HD8 and HD10. The HD10 and HD8 share the same firmware.". Thanks for requesting this. Will add a ditto to that thread.
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HD 6 is a 4th generation device
Amazon Fire Tablet Specs https://developer.amazon.com/appsan...ications/01-device-and-feature-specifications
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HD 6 is a 4th generation device
Amazon Fire Tablet Specs https://developer.amazon.com/appsan...ications/01-device-and-feature-specifications
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Ahhh... Had missed that. But the hardware seems to be just about the same on the chart. Hopefully the FW shares as much too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66356902&postcount=2991
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In case of issues, immediately after rebooting back into Android:
- Post /sdcard/FlashFire/lastlog
- Post /proc/last_kmsg
The latter may not be present, and is replaced on every reboot. So if you rebooted twice, no sense posting it. Please, post these things to http://pastebin.com/, so I don't need to download and open these files manually.
If you are ready to start messing around with it, this is how you get the BETA:
- Go to: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/eu.chainfire.flash
- Use the link provided on that page to download the app. Note that it may take minutes to even hours before the provided link actually works.
If you have no idea what any of the above means, you might want to wait with playing with this until proper instructions are available, and more people have tested it.
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Chainfire has now responded requesting logs of folks trying to run FlashFire on the three tablets. Instructions about logging is quoted above from the OP @ the FlashFire thread.
I don't have immediate access to the HD10 tablet. So someone else with a HD10 will need to do the testing to get the logs. We will need to find at least one tester per tablet. More then one would be good too.
Guess will need folks with HD6, HD8 & HD10 tablets to ROOT & install FlashFire v31 & try to run it & save both logs to show Chainfire. Make sure you label which tablet, what FirmWare, what KingRoot & which FlashFire version you are using. Let us know which tablet you'll be testing on below.
Addendum: You can get the v31 FlashFire APK from ChainFire's G+ post:
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/8WB78xvY2oM
And check here for future updates:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/chainfire/flashfire/
Just sideload it as an app.
Y314K said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66356902&postcount=2991
Chainfire has now responded requesting logs of folks trying to run FlashFire on the three tablets. Instructions about logging is quoted above from the OP @ the FlashFire thread.
I don't have immediate access to the HD10 tablet. So someone else with a HD10 will need to do the testing to get the logs. We will need to find at least one tester per tablet. More then one would be good too.
Guess will need folks with HD6, HD8 & HD10 tablets to ROOT & install FlashFire v31 & try to run it & save both logs to show Chainfire. Make sure you label which tablet, what FirmWare, what KingRoot & which FlashFire version you are using. Let us know which tablet you'll be testing on below.
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I went to that site, became a tester, clicked on download and got "We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server." URL was above + &ah=85V10sckvT5AVUb5tiYpFApIDBs. I have an HD 10.
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I went to that site, became a tester, clicked on download and got "We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server." URL was above + &ah=85V10sckvT5AVUb5tiYpFApIDBs. I have an HD 10.
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Great. You can just get FlashFire from ChainFire's G+ post:
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/8WB78xvY2oM
And here for future updates:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/chainfire/flashfire/
Just sideload it as an app.
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I went to that site, became a tester, clicked on download and got "We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server." URL was above + &ah=85V10sckvT5AVUb5tiYpFApIDBs. I have an HD 10.
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Never mind. Tried it one more time (after posting (arghhhh!)) and it worked.
OK. I got my fire 8 on Wednesday. (Fire OS 5.0.1 - 5.1.1 downloaded and is waiting for me to install since I turned on WiFi.)
(Fastboot mode is just a black screen, no logo whatsoever, seems to respond to commands.)
Tried a few different root methods. (All failed.)
This afternoon I finally gave in, setup WiFi and used kingroot. After a few reboots, thankfully no auto fire updates, I finally got root os. (No root in adb.)
Installed SuperSU and get stuck updating binary.
FlashFire will not work since I don't have SuperSU or cm permissive.
Help.
How do I get rid of kingroot and install SuperSU?
Note :
I am very uncomfortable using kingroot.
I prefer root methods that do not require online access.
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How do I get rid of kingroot and install SuperSU?
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http://www.w0lfdroid.com/2015/05/How-to-Remove-Replace-KingUser-KingRoot-with-SuperSU.html
install terminal emualtor, download the zip, and run the script
reboot
then wipe cache
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Amazon has updated their Fire TV Source Code page with a new software package: version 51.1.3.0_user_513011520
I haven't heard of anyone receiving this version in an OTA update yet, but I figured I'd let everyone know to keep an eye out and get the discussion going for the inevitable rollout.
Anyone already stuck without root would probably get that update since they are stuck.
They have no choice anyway unless they still use one of blocking methods.
We might need at least one person to stay on the first unrootable version in case rbox or anyone else could find a new exploit or something.
I wonder,what has changed in this new update anyway?
Edit:Amazon,listen to the users of Fire TV and add support for USB Media Storage.
It probably had a negative effect on sales,especially since the blocked root access which was the only way they could access USB media storage using stickmount.
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Anyone already stuck without root would probably get that update since they are stuck.
They have no choice anyway unless they still use one of blocking methods.
We might need at least one person to stay on the first unrootable version in case rbox or anyone else could find a new exploit or something.
I wonder,what has changed in this new update anyway?
Edit:Amazon,listen to the users of Fire TV and add support for USB Media Storage.
It probably had a negative effect on sales,especially since the blocked root access which was the only way they could access USB media storage using stickmount.
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so native enabled usb storage with the update? we need to get that aspect without updating for us rooted users. im kinda tired of the stick mount method. it would be nice to not need it
So this tarball is smaller than the previous, but I can see no difference in it. Quite strange...
retroben said:
Edit:Amazon,listen to the users of Fire TV and add support for USB Media Storage.
It probably had a negative effect on sales,especially since the blocked root access which was the only way they could access USB media storage using stickmount.
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I don't think there was any doubt they would eventually add it. Ouya did the same thing. Originally yhey said it was over security concerns they needed to work out.
lost my root...Help Geohot!!!
Damn it!!! I just lost my root. I totally forgot to disable auto update on my Fire TV cuz was enjoying it all customized to my liking. Totally forgot to hack auto update feature. This sucks!!! :crying: It just happend about 10 min ago. Came back to tv and saw that amazon home screen was on screensaver. Knew that I had left Fire TV on xbmc. Went right to settings to see if box had been updated, and sure enough it was 51.1.3.0_user_513011520. So bummned out ritht now. I have another box that is disabled for auto updates, but this one is back to stock features. XBMC still works, just all root access apps are no longer working. Have to wait for root access to arrive again...Help Geohot!!! We need you!!! Yeah...this sucks.
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Damn it!!! I just lost my root. I totally forgot to disable auto update on my Fire TV cuz was enjoying it all customized to my liking. Totally forgot to hack auto update feature. This sucks!!! :crying: It just happend about 10 min ago. Came back to tv and saw that amazon home screen was on screensaver. Knew that I had left Fire TV on xbmc. Went right to settings to see if box had been updated, and sure enough it was 51.1.3.0_user_513011520. So bummned out ritht now. I have another box that is disabled for auto updates, but this one is back to stock features. XBMC still works, just all root access apps are no longer working. Have to wait for root access to arrive again...Help Geohot!!! We need you!!! Yeah...this sucks.
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And I'm assuming you actually tried all the root methods and didn't just assume it wasn't going to work? I know the reports were that 51.1.2.0 didn't allow root, but unless they are lying about their source dump, I see no evidence that they patched the kernel vulnerability.
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And I'm assuming you actually tried all the root methods and didn't just assume it wasn't going to work? I know the reports were that 51.1.2.0 didn't allow root, but unless they are lying about their source dump, I see no evidence that they patched the kernel vulnerability.
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What other root method might you be talking about. All I know of is towelroot by geohot. Am i wrong about this being the only root method. I sure hope I'm wrong.
oscargo29 said:
What other root method might you be talking about. All I know of is towelroot by geohot. Am i wrong about this being the only root method. I sure hope I'm wrong.
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I remember people talking about different versions of it.
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I remember people talking about different versions of it.
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I've read that v2 of towelroot does not work on the Fire TV. I personally have not tried v2. I've used both v1 and v3 of towelroot successfully root on 51.1.1.0_user_511070220 and older.
One of my Fire TV's just got the update notification. Unfortunately it's my primary device, so I blocked the update. I'll be trying to get the update on a Fire TV that I don't mind losing root on. WIll report back shortly.
The download URL for the version 51.1.3.0_user_513011520 update is: http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...ueller-ota-51.1.3.0_user_513011520-signed.bin
Just a bit of clarification as the first mention of USB wasn't clear to me the later posts assumed USB is enabled in this version. Can anyone actually confirm that they have a USB drive working on this latest firmware version?
I just checked for updates and my FireTV is still on 51.1.1.0_user_511070220 with no new updates found. It never updated to the 51.1.2.0 version, was never rooted, updates are not blocked, at least not intentionally.
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I've read that v2 of towelroot does not work on the Fire TV. I personally have not tried v2. I've used both v1 and v3 of towelroot successfully root on 51.1.1.0_user_511070220 and older.
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When you say older, do you mean older as in update 51.1.2.0_user_512073320. Cuz update 51.1.3.0_user_513011520 is not able to root with towelroot v3. Wishful thinking on my part thinking it will work.
I have rooted 3 Fire TV's. All 3 came with software 51.1.0_user_510047320 and I updated all to 51.1.2.0_user_512073320. I rooted all with towelroot v3. Towelroot v3 no longer worked after update 51.1.3.0_user_513011520. That's the first thing I tested after auto update happened. Towelroot v3 state's "This phone isn't currently supported". So no "rain" for me I'll try to find v1 or v2 of towelroot and see what happens.
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Well that was quick...and painful. Towelroot v1, v2, and v3 are now confirmed by me, to not be able to root Amazon Fire TV.
O'well, I tried.
v1 just halts but was able to press back button and get out. v2 and v3 both say "This phone isn't currently supported". Good thing I have a spare Fire TV
In all honesty, as long as XBMC still runs on Amazon Fire TV, this shouldn't be such a total loss.
But when you get your settings and your customization just right, and then its all gone, it really hurts...a lot. :laugh:
Just got to wait now till further updates on root for this last Fire TV update.
Just a FYI. My first 2 Fire Tv's came from Amazon. 3rd one was from Best Buy. All came with Amazon's 1st firmware put out for this box 51.1.0_user_510047320.
I was expecting latest update when ordered from Amazon for sure. That was weird.
Heads up Everyone. Don't forget to disable OTA update for Amazon Fire TV so you can keep Root Access.
Silly me forgot to follow this big rule.:silly:
I was able to manually install v51.1.3.0_user_513011520 onto a rooted Fire TV that had not received this update.
I can confirm that towelroot v1, v2, and v3 all CAN NOT root the Fire TV running v51.1.3.0_user_513011520. Towelroot v3 reports that the 'phone' is not compatible, while v1 and v2 just sit there frozen when you press "make it rain".
I'm currently going through to determine what has changed with this new update. Please list anything you'd like me to check.
Thanks for checking into this update.
AFTV news:
Please check if the USB port is active and allows access to external storage from XBMC. I don't care if I can root as long as it supports external USB storage... 4TB hopefully
alexb101 said:
Please check if the USB port is active and allows access to external storage from XBMC. I don't care if I can root as long as it supports external USB storage... 4TB hopefully
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I don't know why everyone thinks out of no where Amazon would add USB support...
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Preliminary examination shows that the main bootloader hasn't changed, but the sbl1/2/3 and the rpm images have changed. The image was built on September 5th. It looks like they added german to the recovery. Not sure how it decides german vs english, probably means there is a difference between the english and german versions.
alexb101 said:
AFTV news:
Please check if the USB port is active and allows access to external storage from XBMC. I don't care if I can root as long as it supports external USB storage... 4TB hopefully
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That's a big NO. XBMC does not detect any external storage. I don't think Amazon will give end users this feature.
Only root access will allow this. Hoped might just work, but only way this would work is with root access.
Wishful thinking Amazon will add this feature.
A "no go" for external storage on latest update 51.1.3.0_user_513011520.
Hate being the one know this first hand.
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I don't know why everyone thinks out of no where Amazon would add USB support...
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Preliminary examination shows that the main bootloader hasn't changed, but the sbl1/2/3 and the rpm images have changed. The image was built on September 5th. It looks like they added german to the recovery. Not sure how it decides german vs english, probably means there is a difference between the english and german versions.
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Damn, it looks like the german Fire TV will be shipped with the unrootable firmware
Hope we can find a way to get it rooted soon.
Is sideloading still working with this firmware? Without XBMC, this box would be useless for most people.
Xedos9er said:
Damn, it looks like the german Fire TV will be shipped with the unrootable firmware
Hope we can find a way to get it rooted soon.
Is sideloading still working with this firmware? Without XBMC, this box would be useless for most people.
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you dont need root to install xbmc. just sideload the app
The source code for FireOS 5.3.1.0 has just been released:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
Fire (5th Generation)
Fire_7inch_LC_5.3.1.0.tar.bz2
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Attempting to downgrade to an earlier version will most likely result in bricking your device (now confirmed).
Look like they skip 5.2.1.0.
Unless it a typo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_OS
Dunard said:
Look like they skip 5.2.1.0.
Unless it a typo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_OS
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There has never been a public release of 5.2.x
I'm sure about that. Beta. Turn into Released with a number change.
Dunard said:
I'm sure about that. Beta. Turn into Released with a number change.
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Yep - not uncommon.
It looks like only the Amazon Fire TV devices had a 5.2.1.0 release:
Amazon Fire TV Device Software Updates
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201497590
Amazon Fire TV
Latest Software Version: 5.2.1.0_user_550144920
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Went ahead and installed 5.3.1.0 on the 8gb tablet since I don't use it very much. The other one still have the custom ROM.
Dunard said:
Went ahead and installed 5.3.1.0 on the 8gb tablet since I don't use it very much. The other one still have the custom ROM.
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Did you get it via an OTA update? The binary release page is still on 5.1.4:
Fire (5th Generation) Software Updates
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201830180
Determine your software version
If you have the latest software update, it should look like this: Your device is running Fire OS 5.1.4.
Download Fire (5th Generation) software updates
Download Software Update 5.1.4
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Know what. You right. Version 5.1.4. I thought it 5.3.1.0. I guest there no ROM yet. Just the source. lol
Kinda new here as I am looking to buy a Kindle Tablet.
When FireOS gets updated, do Amazon put in the latest android security patches? I think Google still releases it for Lollipop.
Reason for this is reading up, to sideload the Playstore you need to disable the OTA, but if the security patch is included then that is something I need to consider.
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Kinda new here as I am looking to buy a Kindle Tablet.
When FireOS gets updated, do Amazon put in the latest android security patches? I think Google still releases it for Lollipop.
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yes
Reason for this is reading up, to sideload the Playstore you need to disable the OTA, but if the security patch is included then that is something I need to consider.
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disabling updates is not necessary, for google framework
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disabling updates is not necessary, for google framework
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Ah that is convenient.
So in theory when 5.3.1.0 hits OTA, none of the Google Play Services, framework, Store, should be disabled and delete right if it is already installed?
springy said:
Ah that is convenient.
So in theory when 5.3.1.0 hits OTA, none of the Google Play Services, framework, Store, should be disabled and delete right if it is already installed?
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sure, but Google framework will work better with a custom rom like cm12.1
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springy said:
Ah that is convenient.
So in theory when 5.3.1.0 hits OTA, none of the Google Play Services, framework, Store, should be disabled and delete right if it is already installed?
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sure, but Google framework will work better with a custom rom like cm12.1
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Keep in mind Google Framework (Services, Store, etc) compatibility is not assured across FireOS updates. Historically this was more of a problem with FireOS v4 which didn't play well with Google components. Even if it does break someone will likely come up with a fix in short order. That said, I fully agree with @sd_shadow: go with a custom rom for the most favorable experience.
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Keep in mind Google Framework (Services, Store, etc) compatibility is not assured across FireOS updates. Historically this was more of a problem with FireOS v4 which didn't play well with Google components. Even if it does break someone will likely come up with a fix in short order. That said, I fully agree with @sd_shadow: go with a custom rom for the most favorable experience.
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How to root a Kindle Kid's Edition that came stock with 5.3.1? I already bricked one following RootJunky's supposed foolproof way to unbrick or downgrade to 5.1.2 to be able to root the device.
fusion01k said:
How to root a Kindle Kid's Edition that came stock with 5.3.1? I already bricked one following RootJunky's supposed foolproof way to unbrick or downgrade to 5.1.2 to be able to root the device.
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You can't.
fusion01k said:
How to root a Kindle Kid's Edition that came stock with 5.3.1? I already bricked one following RootJunky's supposed foolproof way to unbrick or downgrade to 5.1.2 to be able to root the device.
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5.3.1.0 cannot be downgraded or rooted
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What are the chances that a work around will be realeased? Are they at least greater than zero?
jmorlin said:
What are the chances that a work around will be realeased? Are they at least greater than zero?
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Please don't cross post. Annoying finding the same inquiry in multiple threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ama...pdates-5-1-4-to-5-3-1-0-t3419849/post67865926
Dave and Shadow. Some of the Google Play Store games will crashes on custom ROM's. Wonder 5 Masters works better on FireOS with Google Play Store installed with less crashes. Just pointing this out.
Don't do it period.
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Don't do it period.
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Is this the firmware for the Kid's Version only? I bricked the Kid's Version after trying RootJunky's method to root and I assumed the 5.3.1 is the same as the 5.1.4 since both Kindles are identical besides the foam case it comes with. So basically when I get my new Kindle Kid's Edition, how can I root it?
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Is this the firmware for the Kid's Version only? I bricked the Kid's Version after trying RootJunky's method to root and I assumed the 5.3.1 is the same as the 5.1.4 since both Kindles are identical besides the foam case it comes with. So basically when I get my new Kindle Kid's Edition, how can I root it?
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You cross posted the same question in three different thread, don't do it. The answer is the same: 5.3.1 is unrootable so far.
fmc000 said:
You cross posted the same question in three different thread, don't do it. The answer is the same: 5.3.1 is unrootable so far.
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Sorry about cross posting but I wanted a quick answer as I was posting about this on Root Junkys channel and never got a response about this firmware. So how long will it be before 5.3.1 is rootable and who actually will make it happen? I'm new here and new to rooting and following one of the best supposedly I got bricked. I should have come here first to see this warning. Now Im screwed having to send it back to Amazon. Once they find out it's bricked they may still make me pay for it. If that's the case I will be pissed.
fusion01k said:
So how long will it be before 5.3.1 is rootable and who actually will make it happen?
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Well, who knows?
Apart from the 5.0.1 and 5.1.1 versions, who can be easily rooted because their bugged fastboot implementations allows a custom recovery to be loaded even with the locked bootloader, so far only the 5.1.2 version is rootable and the process is no different compared to what is used to root other devices. In short, you have to find a bug in the software that allows for a privilege escalation, and that's what for example KingRoot does.
So far, no such bugs have been found in 5.1.2.1, 5.1.3, 5.1,4 and 5.3.1 FireOS releases. The first three have many parts in common, therefore they can downgraded to 5.1.2 and subsequently rooted. Nothing can be done for 5.3.1 thus far.
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Sorry about cross posting but I wanted a quick answer as I was posting about this on Root Junkys channel and never got a response about this firmware. So how long will it be before 5.3.1 is rootable and who actually will make it happen? I'm new here and new to rooting and following one of the best supposedly I got bricked. I should have come here first to see this warning. Now Im screwed having to send it back to Amazon. Once they find out it's bricked they may still make me pay for it. If that's the case I will be pissed.
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Amazon will exchange a bricked device no questions asked. Just don't volunteer too much information. Less is more ...
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Well, who knows?
Apart from the 5.0.1 and 5.1.1 versions, who can be easily rooted because their bugged fastboot implementations allows a custom recovery to be loaded even with the locked bootloader, so far only the 5.1.2 version is rootable and the process is no different compared to what is used to root other devices. In short, you have to find a bug in the software that allows for a privilege escalation, and that's what for example KingRoot does.
So far, no such bugs have been found in 5.1.2.1, 5.1.3, 5.1,4 and 5.3.1 FireOS releases. The first three have many parts in common, therefore they can downgraded to 5.1.2 and subsequently rooted. Nothing can be done for 5.3.1 thus far.
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Thanks fmc000, I appreciate the thorough explanation. I think when I first turned in my kindle it updated from 5.1.4 to 5.3.1 before I could do anything to stop it, so there was no way from the get go for me to root my week old Kindle I bought on Amazon's Prime Day. Hopefully this changes going forward. Maybe I'll have to buy a rooted Kindle on eBay...
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I see there has been no activity on this thread for a few months. Any new news on rooting or rolling back 5.3.1.0?
Revonoc said:
I see there has been no activity on this thread for a few months. Any new news on rooting or rolling back 5.3.1.0?
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5.3.1 can be rooted. Look at other Amazon forum threads. SuperTool can now be used to root 5.3.1.
gtallmadge said:
5.3.1 can be rooted. Look at other Amazon forum threads. SuperTool can now be used to root 5.3.1.
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So far I can't root 5.3.1 regardless of what other threads say - kingroot initially says there is no root available, and tries anyway, no dice.
Ive tried reflashing, resetting, different versions, nothing seems to work.
iRub1Out said:
So far I can't root 5.3.1 regardless of what other threads say - kingroot initially says there is no root available, and tries anyway, no dice.
Ive tried reflashing, resetting, different versions, nothing seems to work.
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Have you tried rooting with different versions of Kingroot? Supertool has 4.8.5 if I remember correctly, give the newest one (5.0 I think) a go.
Also try multiple times, in my case it was sometimes the 3rd time that actually worked.
iRub1Out said:
So far I can't root 5.3.1 regardless of what other threads say - kingroot initially says there is no root available, and tries anyway, no dice.
Ive tried reflashing, resetting, different versions, nothing seems to work.
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It works. Not reliably, not consistently, not conveniently. But eventually. Many skeptics have preceded down river of denial only to find joy you when root is eventually secured.
Best results have been reported with Kingroot 4.85, 4.92 and 4.96. WiFi must be enabled. There's also a desktop build but the interface is in Chinese.
Avoid 5.x.x builds as removal and migration to SuperSU can be problematic. SuperSU is a FlashFire prerequisite which itself is a prerequisite for flashing custom ROMs on this device.
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Have you tried rooting with different versions of Kingroot? Supertool has 4.8.5 if I remember correctly, give the newest one (5.0 I think) a go.
Also try multiple times, in my case it was sometimes the 3rd time that actually worked.
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Avoid KingRoot v5 as removal can be problematic; see previous post. Stick with v4.85-4.96.
PLEASE PROVIDE LINKS TO RELEVANT ARTICLES AND FILES WHEN UPDATING THE SHEET!!!!
I don't know if it's possible to make a chart through the forums, but I was hoping you folks might be able to help me out and other users as well.
I created a Google Doc which has a few versions of the Fire OS listed and whether or not they are rootable, downgradable, can have OTA blocked, get Google Apps and have a replacement launcher.
Maybe it's a silly idea, but I figured I'd give it a shot. The sheet for now is open to all with a link. Please feel free to add more versions, information, links (in the via columns?) to instructions, etc.
5.4.0.1 can be downgraded to 5.4.0.0 https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/fireos-5-4-0-1-downgrade-t3671406
Very good, and overdue, idea.
Some remarks, as I cannot use a Google account:
There's no 5.3.3.3 - you mean 5.3.3.0
Sometimes 5.4.0.0 is referred to as 5.3.4.0 (that's the version string that shows up in several places)
Although "5th gen Fire 7" should be clear enough, please add the "ford" codename in a prominent place
It would be good to collect download links for stock firmware
Is it still worth listing versions < 5.3.2.1? I think so, they are the rootable ones.
Any moderator around? This one deserves to become sticky as soon as the empty cells have been filled.
steve8x8 said:
Very good, and overdue, idea.
Some remarks, as I cannot use a Google account:
There's no 5.3.3.3 - you mean 5.3.3.0
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Yes. Corrected, thanks!
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Sometimes 5.4.0.0 is referred to as 5.3.4.0 (that's the version string that shows up in several places)
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I've only seen 5.4.0.0. I don't find anything with a Google search either.
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Although "5th gen Fire 7" should be clear enough, please add the "ford" codename in a prominent place
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Added Ford to the Top of the post. I'm not sure if you can edit the title.
steve8x8 said:
It would be good to collect download links for stock firmware
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That's where I am hoping other folks would be able to help.
steve8x8 said:
Is it still worth listing versions < 5.3.2.1? I think so, they are the rootable ones.
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I think so and for the same reasons. Whether a method comes out to downgrade to a rootable version before 5.3.2.1 or for those that don't want to go beyond for some reason.
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I appreciate it, but I'm not sure how far that will go. Apparently some of the information is encompassed here. It's missing some of the latest information and is not organized in a way for my mind to process it very well. That's not to say it isn't organized, just hard for me to process it.
Greetings,
I want to confirm I'm understanding this spreadsheet correctly. My FireOS is 5.6.2.0, am I able to just pick and downgrade to an earlier firmware version that will allow rooting ? Or do I need to downgrade in the correct order to get back to a rootable earlier version: downgrade 5.6.2.0 > 5.6.0.1 > 5.6.0.0, etc... Or am I just out of luck and stuck with no option to root?
Mike The Menace said:
Or am I just out of luck and stuck with no option to root?
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Correct - no 'downgrade to root' path for 5th-7th gen 7" or 8" Fire devices starting at with any build of FireOS > 5.3.2.0
Davey126 said:
Correct - no 'downgrade to root' path for 5th-7th gen 7" or 8" Fire devices starting at with any build of FireOS > 5.3.2.0
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Okay and one last question, an I able to downgrade at all? From a couple other threads I read it seemed as if downgrading to 5.4 might yield some customization?
Mike The Menace said:
Okay and one last question, an I able to downgrade at all? From a couple other threads I read it seemed as if downgrading to 5.4 might yield some customization?
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Downgrading to 5.4 will allow removal of *some* Amazon bloat with various restrictions. You can also install Google's Play store for access to a wider selection of apps. See relevant threads in the General section for more details.
Davey126 said:
Downgrading to 5.4 will allow removal of *some* Amazon bloat with various restrictions. You can also install Google's Play store for access to a wider selection of apps. See relevant threads in the General section for more details.
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Okay but I'm able to downgrade to 5.4 from 5.6.2.0?
Mike The Menace said:
Okay but I'm able to downgrade to 5.4 from 5.6.2.0?
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Best read the relevant threads. Some claim success going directly to 5.4 from 5.6.2. Others take an incremental approach: 5.6.2->5.6.1->5.4.1->5.4.0. I personally believe a direct download is possible and safe but don't have direct experience to back that statement (all my Fire 7's are early 5th gen; rooted and TWRP bootable; most never saw FireOS).
Davey126 said:
Best read the relevant threads. Some claim success going directly to 5.4 from 5.6.2. Others take an incremental approach: 5.6.2->5.6.1->5.4.1->5.4.0. I personally believe a direct download is possible and safe but don't have direct experience to back that statement (all my Fire 7's are early 5th gen; rooted and TWRP bootable; most never saw FireOS).
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Ok, thank you so much! I have 2 that my daughters use and was just trying to breathe some new life into them and clear up some space.
kindle fire 7 5th gen. fireos 5.6.2.0 -> downgrade or lineageos ?
Mike The Menace said:
Ok, thank you so much! I have 2 that my daughters use and was just trying to breathe some new life into them and clear up some space.
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Hello Mike,
did you have success? I´m looking for a possibility to get a custom rom on my fire 7 5th gen - do you have any idea if its possible ?
thanks
gauki said:
Hello Mike,
did you have success? I´m looking for a possibility to get a custom rom on my fire 7 5th gen - do you have any idea if its possible ?
thanks
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If your 5th gen device is running FireOS 5.3.2.1 or higher it can not be rooted - hence no custom ROMs. Been that way for 2 years and unlikely to change. The needle isn't moving on this one.
and so...
so no developper can make rooting possible on 5.3.2.1 and upper in the future ?
avatarma said:
so no developper can make rooting possible on 5.3.2.1 and upper in the future ?
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If it were that simple root would have been achieved on these builds long ago. Google and Amazon have closed vulnerabilities that made root exploits easy. While it's possible another weakness will be discovered the chances are quite low IMHO.
you are right , and if that damned bootloader was not locked......so only hopes remains
Is it possible to downgrade from 5.6.2.0 to 5.6.0.1. ?
I am on 5.6.2.0 and i want to try to downgrade to 5.4.0.0 to remove amazon apps. Is there any chance to do it? Sorry for my bad english
Gengis26 said:
Is it possible to downgrade from 5.6.2.0 to 5.6.0.1. ?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Ok, can you give me some informations? Is there a thread to understand in which way?
Gengis26 said:
Ok, can you give me some informations? Is there a thread to understand in which way?
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You will need to find a 5.6.2.0 bin (source file). Check the 'debloating' threads as it's probably not directly downloadable via the Amazon support page; only the most recent build is referenced. Note: Amazon also maintains links to all prior builds. Just gotta find the url which is obscure.
Once you have the file it is simple to install via the stock recovery menu. Lots of documentation on that procedure in the Fire forums or via Google search.
Of course, you gotta decide if the benefit is worth the hassle. Probably not.
Interesting, one of my Fire TB HD8 (7th Generation) has just updated from 5.6.0.0 to 5.6.0.1.
I wonder what this release has for us - who knows, Amazon might even have addressed the battery drain and SD Card issues we have been seeing of late.
Got this update today. Nothing seems different.
Is rooting / debloating possible? I cannot find "any" information regarding to this patch.
mono666 said:
Is rooting / debloating possible? I cannot find "any" information regarding to this patch.
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No root. It *may* be possible to rollback to FireOS 5.4.0.0 which is eligible for partial "debloating". To my knowledge no one has tried that from 5.6.0.1 yet. An invalid rollback will irreversibly brick the device.
It seems that sideloading no longer requires locking and unlocking your fire.
AndroidSemiPro said:
It seems that sideloading no longer requires locking and unlocking your fire.
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Not sure what this means; locking/unlocking has never been a prerequisite for ADB sideload from stock recovery. Are you referring to side loading apps from within FireOS?
Re. rooting kindle fire. It seems this is not possible (at least on the Fire 5th gen.) Is this because no-one has worked out the details of the procedure yet or is there something about the Fire OS which makes it unrootable?
Talladale said:
Re. rooting kindle fire. It seems this is not possible (at least on the Fire 5th gen.) Is this because no-one has worked out the details of the procedure yet or is there something about the Fire OS which makes it unrootable?
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There are no known vulnerabilities in 5th gen FireOS builds above 5.3.1 that can be exploited to secure root privileges. It has nothing to do with working out the "details of the procedure". Rather someone needs to find an 'unlocked door' that does not lead to a dead end. Google and Amazon have been working hard to close such loopholes as root access pretty much breaks Android security.
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There are no known vulnerabilities in 5th gen FireOS etc.
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I take it this situation is unlikely to improve (from the rooting point of view). So are more devices (phones in particular) likely to become unrootable in the future?
Talladale said:
I take it this situation is unlikely to improve (from the rooting point of view). So are more devices (phones in particular) likely to become unrootable in the future?
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It's happening now and for the past several years. Fewer devices can be rooted as vulnerabilities (security loopholes) are identified and squashed. This is partially offset by increasing capabilities/refinement in newer Android versions. There is less of a 'need' to root although the desire will always be a priority among a small subset of enthusiasts (of which I associate with).
Davey126 said:
No root. It *may* be possible to rollback to FireOS 5.4.0.0 which is eligible for partial "debloating". To my knowledge no one has tried that from 5.6.0.1 yet. An invalid rollback will irreversibly brick the device.
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I rolled back from 5.6.0.1
I got this as a gift so had little choice but to switch it on & show willing & of course it updated.
Whilst looking into it I found the rollback tool, then when I went to use it the tablet was already on 5.6.0.1. However as it was well within warranty & I know amazon are great with returns I just gave it a go.
All worked exactly as it should have.
Anybody tried rollback on a 5th Gen?
I am getting SD Card issues and Performance issues!
Can anybody try to rollback on 5th Gen??
Fire 0s 5.6.0.1
I hope Amazon will include the option to mirror soon. I can't understand why they never included it as i would love to use kod i on my kindle fire he 8 7th generation and mirror to my roku streaming stick.
Sgandy said:
I hope Amazon will include the option to mirror soon. I can't understand why they never included it as i would love to use kod i on my kindle fire he 8 7th generation and mirror to my roku streaming stick.
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Answered your own question: using a competitors streaming stick/tool (roku). Amazon will never add mirroring support for another product. If it happens to work with non-Fire devices fine.
Also see: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201453020
FoxForceFive said:
I rolled back from 5.6.0.1
I got this as a gift so had little choice but to switch it on & show willing & of course it updated.
Whilst looking into it I found the rollback tool, then when I went to use it the tablet was already on 5.6.0.1. However as it was well within warranty & I know amazon are great with returns I just gave it a go.
All worked exactly as it should have.
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Thanks for the reply. Could you let us know what tools you used? I'm looking for whatever I can do to de-Amazon my Fire 5th Gen running 5.6.0.1.
Fixed the Install button being greyed out when sideloading apps, so no need for the workarounds that was needed to get button activated when using Fire 5.6.0.0
ssayres said:
Thanks for the reply. Could you let us know what tools you used? I'm looking for whatever I can do to de-Amazon my Fire 5th Gen running 5.6.0.1.
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I just used the downgrade & debloat utility tool.