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Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.
You'll get a real answer when the phone comes out. Or check video reviews. We know as much as you do at this point.
Thanks for the answers enviii and ralexand!
The thing is, this input lag issue is very rarely adressed. It seems to me as if most poeple dont even notice it. It may be that im kinda picky there but its definitely a very important feature for me...
As the device has been released I would appreciate someone talking about the mentioned issue, who actually posseses the phone.
enviii said:
It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.
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lol... that's just not true. It helps viewing angles, but has absolutely no effect on responsiveness.
The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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gulbir101 said:
The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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Well for me the scale is definitely the iphone. (even still the 3G when scrolling homescreens) Also top notch Windows Phones offer very good responsiveness.
schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.
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iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)
Also iOS is more optimized since its on for few devices.
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actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..
joedoe said:
I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.
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I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
tgtoys said:
iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)
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ferozfero said:
actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..
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Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know
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I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know
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I have a Nexus S (awaiting a 16GB N4) and I can tell you that Jellybean offered a tremendous improvement in smoothness.
As for the lack of improvement with the S3 and Jelly Bean, do keep in mind that is not "stock" Jellybean, Samsung may have avoided using any of the "project butter" code for their own GPU rendering.. Only Nexus devices are guaranteed the advertised improvements listed by Google, once an OEM touches there's no guarantee.
Only the framerate is high. There is MASSIVE input lag of 100-200ms on every Android device. As evidenced in every video of the Nexus 4 the screen lags behind your finger by 1 inch or more when swiping. This makes it feel extremely sluggish and unresponsive in apps like Facebook and games like Canabalt are unplayable.
I noticed this too when I first started messing around with my N4.
A test I like to do is use the calculator, and see how many numbers I could hit before they would be highlighted (which I assume means the device starts registering the command). For some reason I was getting 2 (almost 3) punches before the device would see it. On my Wildfire S and my iPod Touch the input lag was never this bad.
Amazingly, I actually found a solution. I don't remember if I turned it on myself or if it came on by default, but my phone had the "Magnification gestures" on. You can find them in the "Accessibility" settings. I turned it off, and BAM! The input lag has practically disappeared. I don't know why it was doing that or how it's related, but this has effectively fixed it for me. There may still be a slight input lag, but it's small enough that I can ignore it. Before it was easily over 500 ms.
Hope this helps.
I've made sure that's off on every Android device I've tested. The input lag is still considerably worse than the iPhone.
:highfive: congrats to those who have it early.
so tell us what you think about it, the feel on the hand, how fragile does it look and feel (is it slippery like the sony phones with glass, grippy?) , hows the performance of the camera, screen, battery, etc.
It's only been half a day but my early impressions are as follows,
-Fingerprint scanner is wicked fast.
-Screen is beautiful
-It is fast fast fast. I love Samsung devices and I admit that lag was always an issue. I have not been able to slow it down yet. Really I havent. Lol. Even the recent app switcher is fast.
-Like the themeing a lot. I can't wait for more themes.
-Feels good on the hand. The edge does make it a bit different to hold but I love the curved screen. Makes using the phone a pleasure.
-I have only taken a couple pictures but they turned out great. More on that later.
I'm sure I'll have more as the days pass..
I played with the phone in a T mobile store. For about 20 minutes battery was down to 93% from 100%.,Power hungry. Could you guys confirm?
Also I found the browser cannot hide the status bar hence no full screen browsing. Please also confirm this?
S6 edge in the bestbuy which is unbranded has no ability to sort the menu alphabetically. But T mobile edge has an option to sort.
You're correct on the status bar. Too early to know on the battery. The option to sort might have come in the software update that dropped today. Not sure though.
does this look like the edge to u? i think phonearena made a mistake
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...r-but-survives-this-violent-drop-test_id67696
It looks like the edge
The regular s6 has very recognizable edge as well and that is not it
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avenging said:
does this look like the edge to u? i think phonearena made a mistake
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...r-but-survives-this-violent-drop-test_id67696
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Yup, that an Edge, and damn did she slam that hard! Good to know it can survive what she just did, lol.
From a performance point of view there is no doubt in my mind the Edge is going to be great, the only doubt is battery life... I realise its a bit early for conclusions yet but once people have used their phones for a week or so, its the questions that everyone wants answering. Everyone's use patterns are different but as long as I can make it through a heavyish day ok, I'll be happy with that.
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From a performance point of view there is no doubt in my mind the Edge is going to be great, the only doubt is battery life... I realise its a bit early for conclusions yet but once people have used their phones for a week or so, its the questions that everyone wants answering. Everyone's use patterns are different but as long as I can make it through a heavyish day ok, I'll be happy with that.
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It's battery is only 7% less in capacity than S5, so I see no reason why battery life would be extremely different. The screen has higher res, but CPU is much more power efficient.
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It's battery is only 7% less in capacity than S5, so I see no reason why battery life would be extremely different. The screen has higher res, but CPU is much more power efficient.
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Yes...still, I'd rather yes some real numbers from someone who actually has the phone. We know very little about its battery performance yet, and I have seen mixed reviews with some saying its good and others poor.
I should just say that I have the phone pre ordered and I'm looking forward to getting it, battery is the only doubt I have...I'd just like to see some numbers and I think most other people would too.
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Yes...still, I'd rather yes some real numbers from someone who actually has the phone. We know very little about its battery performance yet, and I have seen mixed reviews with some saying its good and others poor.
I should just say that I have the phone pre ordered and I'm looking forward to getting it, battery is the only doubt I have...I'd just like to see some numbers and I think most other people would too.
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I have pre-ordered it as well, but it is still 2 weeks before shipping. We will all see in due time. People in the US are already getting theirs, so we should have some info within a week as batteries start working normally after a few charges.
Also could you guys confirm available free memory?
I went to Best Buy yesterday to get a look at the S6 edge. Needless to say, I was very impressed. Touchwiz seems lightning fast compared to 4.3 on my S4. The shortcuts and ease of access really convinced me to buy this (when green comes along). The edge display looks absolutely amazing and does, in fact, feel more immersive. I love the metal frame and the new headphone jack location. Basically, this thing looks and feels all-around perfect. The black looks BLACK in person, whereas online it gave me the belief that it was a deep-blue. Don't know if I want to settle for the white 32GB or wait a month or two in hopes of the green appearing.
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Also could you guys confirm available free memory?
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I forgot to look. With all my apps and a couple hundred pix loaded on have 107 gigs available.
varunkumars said:
Also could you guys confirm available free memory?
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the 32GB should have around 22-25GB available
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the 64GB should have around 53-56GB available
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It's battery is only 7% less in capacity than S5, so I see no reason why battery life would be extremely different. The screen has higher res, but CPU is much more power efficient.
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Eh, you forgot to mention that the screen was actually more efficient, too. Not only is it 14nm, the screen is like 23% more efficient than the screen on the Note 4, iirc.
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Eh, you forgot to mention that the screen was actually more efficient, too. Not only is it 14nm, the screen is like 23% more efficient than the screen on the Note 4, iirc.
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I was not aware the screen would be more efficient with that much higher resolution, but that is a good thing to know as well. Might mean all this whining about smaller battery size is just for the sake of whining.
Thanks for your answers guys. Today again I walked into Best buy and T mobile stores to do my research more. What I found,
Battery: Yesterday when I played with the phone I suspected it to be Power hungry. But I think I should take it back. Battery is ok not bad after all. I am comparing with my LG G2(has a good battery, 3000mah) and I measured the time it takes to drop every %. S6 takes a little more time than the G2 to drop which tells me the battery is good. Also the picture below. I don't have an S5 so I can't really compare with that. I played a couple of games that were installed on the phone and the battery is still ok. This is by no means a scientific way of measuring, neverthless I wanted to share this with you guys.
Although I have chargers at home, car and work still a good battery(if not the best) gives a sense of confidence. and satisfaction that I have the best phone irrespective of all the breath taking features. Don't you agree?? S6 may not disappoint I believe.
Browser/Browsing: Browsing is a breeze. No sense of lag anywhere. But the status bar doesn't hide which I assume is a part of Lollipop. I would be curious to see if a dev can come up with a mod. A full screen immersive browsing on the S6 's beautiful screen would be super cool.
Youtube/Video: Flawless like its predecessors. Nothing special to mention.
Music: Flawless sound like its predecessors. No distortion. Sound is very clean with the headphones. I listen to a lot of Music and sound quality is very important for me. When I played the music on speaker I felt some vibration I wonder what that is??? I wonder if it is the speaker giving the vibration.
Menu:Arrangement of the apps in the menu is nice and simple although I would prefer the icons to be a little smaller. T mobile phones come with an option to sort alphabetically. AT&T don't have the phone for display yet(Slackers:crying so can't tell. All in all I like this new menu. No complaints.
GPS: I didn't spend a lot of time here but I thought it locked quick enough. Nothing special and no complaints.
Screen Quality : I thought the screen is much better than S5 (in the store) and on par with the note 4. But my G2 has a different color temperature which I believe make whites look a little bluish where as S6 whites are yellowish. To me both are ok. But I really have to admit the additional pixels on S6 make no difference in picture quality (S6 vs G2). Really a 1080p screen would have been enough. To clarify I am not complaining, just my opinion. Viewing angles are good unlike G2 (LG's for that matter).
I have to tell you, normal people passing by with no phone knowledge would stop by and take a glimpse at the edge screen, They all seem to like it. Seems like edge is getting all the attention it deserves.
Build/Design: This is where S6 edge outshines every other phone in the market. In my opinion, till date this the best design ever period. I have seen some complaints about finger prints. It is not bad after all. Looks like white takes less finger prints than others. Excellent build quality and feels solid in hands. Thums up.
Single handed use: It can be used single handed with no issues. Menu is set up for single hand use which I really like. Although my hand is not very big it fit nicely in my hand. Not sure about the non-edge S6. Should be the same.
Speed This is one thing that is very crucial. All android phones I used so far tend to be fast initially but as I go adding/deleting apps and other files phone tends to get laggy. It really gets on my nerves. But even as a brand new phone they stutter at times. But with S6 it is blazing fast. No lag anywhere (at least I did not see). App drawer is a little slow to open. Samsung probably configured it to be slower on purpose. Some might misunderstand it to be a lag, just a heads up. Speed speed speed is what it is.
Camera: I need not specially tell you about the camera. There are expert reviews which claim this to be the best camera. Flawless. Double press on the menu opens the camera in split seconds which is very impressive.
I care less about the heart rate sensor so did not test it. Although I care about finger print scanner I could not test it because it is not my phone.
This is a big leap forward not just for Samsung but for android as a whole.
I was disappointed about the battery yesterday but liked it today and took some time to test all the features. I like the phone, will get one. White Color 32gb. AT&T.
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the 32GB should have around 22-25GB available
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the 64GB should have around 53-56GB available
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I think he meant the true amount of RAM available. (Should be less than 3 GB)
Status bar maybe due to Lollipop. Its present on my Pure Edition Moto X and my Atrix HD running CM12.
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9 Days ago, I made the decision to switch networks due to Sprint's inability to handle MMS, data, signal, calls, or anything else. I walked into a T-Mobile store, and after a brief credit check, I was told I can choose any phone I'd like. My original intent was to hang onto my Nexus 5, which I absolutely loved, but I was told I was required to get a new phone. I wasn't exactly upset knowing I'd be getting a new phone, so I walked over to the displays and struggled for over 20 minutes trying to decide which phone to get. I eventually whittled my choices down to two phones. The LG G3 and the HTC One M9. After a bit of research and test driving, I chose the HTC One M9.
It is a seriously nice phone. The materials used to craft this baby are top notch, and definitely give the impression of quality. I very much like the way it looks and sounds, and even though it could be unwieldy to hold (slippery), I got around that issue by slapping a nice Spigen case on it. HTC's Uh Oh protection is a nice touch and the specifications are equally as impressive, which helped sell this phone to me. The thought of a 64-bit 8-core CPU was exciting.
It's my first flagship phone; everything should be impressive. And yet, I'm kind of not impressed. My two main complaints about this phone are the button placement (I think having the power button and volume buttons on the same side of the phone and right next to each other is kind of silly, then again, my N5 wasn't like that, so I could just be used to that layout. ) and the performance. Yes, you heard me, the performance. I don't even care about the joke of a camera this thing has, it's really the performance of the cutting-edge octacore CPU that they slapped in this thing that really frustrates me. Out of the box, this phone comes underclocked due to overheating issues. That, to me, is downright laughable. Did anyone at HTC test this phone? A flagship device whose performance is throttled from the moment you turn it on. That's like buying a Corvette straight from the dealer, starting up the car and finding out that Chevy disabled two of the cylinders in the engine to ensure it didn't overheat. It's not just the thought of this that bugs me, the performance of the phone is actually terrible at times. My Nexus 5, given it was running a 5.1.1 ROM, was butter smooth in all but the most complicated of situations. This phone, however, limited to a paltry 1.5GHz and another cluster that is slow to wake up and help out, struggles with some truly mundane tasks. For example, swiping to my Google Now Cards is laggy, loading Google Messenger is choppy and slow. Scrolling, in general, is almost never smooth. I've tried different ROMs, Kernels, and governors but can never really find a nice balance between performance and battery life. The CPU is ALWAYS up to something too. Even when the screen is off. My Nexus 5 would achieve, regularly, about 70-75% Deep Sleep throughout the course of a day. It sipped battery. This phone achieves, on a normal day, about 60-65%. Thankfully it has a larger battery than the N5, otherwise I seriously doubt it'd last as long.
Overall it's been bittersweet experience. I really like this phone, I want to love it, but I can't. I realize that this device is still in its infancy and HTC can roll out updates to hopefully iron out some of these problems. I also realize that the community for this phone is also in its infancy, and that down the road, there may be terrific alternatives to Sense 7 and the Stock Kernel. But I have 5 days left, and the idea of swapping this phone out for something better is slowly starting to grow on me. I've been toying with the idea of getting an Xperia Z3 or LG G3 instead. It'll cost me $50 to swap the M9 out for a different phone. On the other hand, my mind is telling me to be patient and that it'll work out in time with this phone. So I turn to you. Anyone else share the same frustrations with me? What do you think I should do? Should I wait or should I swap this baby out for something else?
UPDATE June 8th 2015:
I went to the T-Mobile store the day after posting this. I researched and thought long and hard about the decision I had to make. After a while I came to the conclusion that I would be paying $50 (Restocking fee) to essentially downgrade to another device. In fact, the only other flagship device that even appeals to me at this point is the LG G4, which seems to be getting along as well as the S6 and One M9 have been (from what I've read). Thanks to recommendations from others in the community, I made some changes that have greatly improved my experience with this device. I'm still not a huge fan of Sense 7 nor am I astonished by the Camera's performance, but a new launcher restored much of the stock Android feel and an upcoming firmware update promises to improve the camera. Performance while multitasking is fantastic and while there are a few hiccups here and there, I can't say my experience is any worse than what it was with my Nexus 5. The Battery life, a common complaint from others about this phone, is fantastic in my eyes. It's nice to sometimes forget about charging my phone at night, waking up the next morning and still having enough juice to get me into the afternoon.
Overall, I've only recently concluded that I did not give this device a fair chance for as long as I should've. Coming from my Nexus 5, the change was a bit of a shock. I suppose that played into my initial disappointment. I'm actually starting to fall in love with this phone. Compliments and exclamations of wonder and impact are common from others that I let check out my phone, even from die-hard iPhone fans, which is always nice. I figured that I should update this thread because I see the conversation still continues. No phone is without its flaws, my beloved N5 was hardly without its own. Many "flaws" are a matter of perspective. I'm confident I've made the right choice with this device, and I look forward to the bright future that lies in store for it (please God, give me an AOSP ROM).
ps. The 1.5 clock only applies to the A53 cores. I'm sure people more technically inclined and chime in and confirm this.
I've had nothing but smooth operation on this phone. I am on Leedroid at the moment, but was on international stock rom before and was just as smooth.
I'd be looking as to why you are experiencing the performance issues, and if you're not happy, I'm sure the consumer protection laws in the US allow you to return it for something else?
Best of luck
You are in the 14 day window go an return it
Go get your nexus 5 back or talk to someone who isn't trying to hose you into buying a new phone.
https://support.t-mobile.com/message/389200
Granted I don't know if the specs on your phone didn't match up to what was described in this link, Or if you had it leased.
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My Nexus 5, given it was running a 5.1.1 ROM, was butter smooth in all but the most complicated of situations. This phone, however, limited to a paltry 1.5GHz and another cluster that is slow to wake up and help out, struggles with some truly mundane tasks. For example, swiping to my Google Now Cards is laggy, loading Google Messenger is choppy and slow. Scrolling, in general, is almost never smooth. I've tried different ROMs, Kernels, and governors but can never really find a nice balance between performance and battery life. The CPU is ALWAYS up to something too. Even when the screen is off. My Nexus 5 would achieve, regularly, about 70-75% Deep Sleep throughout the course of a day. It sipped battery. This phone achieves, on a normal day, about 60-65%. Thankfully it has a larger battery than the N5, otherwise I seriously doubt it'd last as long.
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Yeah, I've noticed the lag when swiping to the goole now screen. I'm confident that performance will be better when they give us 5.1, which by then they'll have figured out how to best optimize S810. Best to test out your options, you might even want to consider the M8 which has GPE 5.1 ROMS ready for it. That phone performs and has excellent battery life.
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Yeah, I've noticed the lag when swiping to the goole now screen. I'm confident that performance will be better when they give us 5.1, which by then they'll have figured out how to best optimize S810. Best to test out your options, you might even want to consider the M8 which has GPE 5.1 ROMS ready for it. That phone performs and has excellent battery life.
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Have you installed the xposed fix memory leak apk? That may help with lag on 5.0.x
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Have you installed the xposed fix memory leak apk? That may help with lag on 5.0.x
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Yeah I have (doesn't it only fix that off screen animation bug?). The lag when scrolling to the google now screen affects my M8 as well if I recall correctly.
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Yeah I have (doesn't it only fix that off screen animation bug?). The lag when scrolling to the google now screen affects my M8 as well if I recall correctly.
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I thought it reduced the over all RAM usage from the system over a prolonged period of time. I thought that might affect lag overall on the phone, but I could be mistaken. I haven't experienced any lag on my device yet so I was just throwing out ideas.
Have you tried rooting and putting leedroid on it. It's a beast. No lag. No stutter. Smooth
I never experienced any lags except when gaming during charging the battery with a speed charger.
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I thought it reduced the over all RAM usage from the system over a prolonged period of time. I thought that might affect lag overall on the phone, but I could be mistaken. I haven't experienced any lag on my device yet so I was just throwing out ideas.
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Same, lag isn't a problem except for when using google now launcher and swiping to the left for the google now screen. It's minor, but annoying nonetheless. For the OP who was used to the Nexus 5's smoothness it's probably extremely noticeable.
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Same, lag isn't a problem except for when using google now launcher and swiping to the left for the google now screen. It's minor, but annoying nonetheless. For the OP who was used to the Nexus 5's smoothness it's probably extremely noticeable.
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True, I actually got rid of google now because it was annoying me every time my phone slipped out of my hand and started it. I still am hopeful knowing the m9 should get multiple updates in the future and run 5.1.
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I never experienced any lags except when gaming during charging the battery with a speed charger.
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why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way
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Have you tried rooting and putting leedroid on it. It's a beast. No lag. No stutter. Smooth
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Wont make a difference, its the phone to blame to for now. I got 2 devices both same problems at times and tried everything for it, the roms run fine but battery life still bad and weird charging problems for me
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Wont make a difference, its the phone to blame to for now. I got 2 devices both same problems at times and tried everything for it, the roms run fine but battery life still bad and weird charging problems for me
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Weird
hamdir said:
why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way
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Because I only gaming before going to bed. Look at my sig and guess if I keep it long enough to notice
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Because I only gaming before going to bed. Look at my sig and guess if I keep it long enough to notice
Sent from a mobile gadget.
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still you are brute forcing the M9 into throttling its GPU this way and about the best thing on the M9 is actually gaming speed thanks to it's very powerful GPU
Coming from a M8, at first i was a little frustrated for the overheating and the camera of the M9. But then, neither the m7 or m8 were great cameras.
I read a lot of reviews and even started thinking of selling the M9 but swap for what? S6 ? God no, please, no more touchwiz. Lg,i had the lg3 and it was L(a)G and slow, much slower than the M8 (i know, different screen's resolution). So, in the end, i prefer keep the M9, the camera improve a lot with the update, and many more updates will come.
Then, there is sense 7, sense is one of my favourites android skins. Light, smart and very, very fast. I absolutely have no lag in M9 (all stock). And i use a lot blinkfeed, i missed it in any non Htc phone. And there is the boomsound, the touch to awake screen...
When you say you have lag with Google Now cards, I'm assuming you are using the Google Launcher. I have noticed some lag here and there with the Google launcher, but the stock Sense launcher performs admirably. It's quick and never seems to drop frames when gaming either. How did you leave the phone stock before you started flashing different ROMs to it? I think that may actually be the issue. Every review of the M9 has stated that the phone is smooth and HTC's software is better than ever. Messing with the software may be what's causing the poor experience.
hamdir said:
why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way
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I occassionally play a round of Boom Beach, Clash of Clans or Limbo while the phone is on the charger. Can you elaborate a bit on how this could "kill the battery"? Is it related to charging while the GPU is cranking up the thermals?
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When you say you have lag with Google Now cards, I'm assuming you are using the Google Launcher. I have noticed some lag here and there with the Google launcher, but the stock Sense launcher performs admirably. It's quick and never seems to drop frames when gaming either. How did you leave the phone stock before you started flashing different ROMs to it? I think that may actually be the issue. Every review of the M9 has stated that the phone is smooth and HTC's software is better than ever. Messing with the software may be what's causing the poor experience.
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I'm using the stock Sense launcher and my phone is buttery smooth. While I don't use the Google Now Launcher, Google Now performs great on this phone.
All of the games that I play are also super smooth. Granted, I don't play games that demand a high frame rate, but those games that I do play are far smoother on this phone than my old M7.
The one issue I had with the phone was what seemed like spotty issues with wifi. I did a cache partition wipe yesterday and it seems to have helped the issue.
This is interesting. Not good if one was hoping that the 5X performance would be closer to the 6P. Still happy I went with the 5X, but a good watch.
https://youtu.be/Mt_WJGL7SiA
Darn it, I don't know how that "b" got in the title...
gotzaDroid said:
This is interesting. Not good if one was hoping that the 5X performance would be closer to the 6P. Still happy I went with the 5X, but a good watch.
https://youtu.be/Mt_WJGL7SiA
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I'm not surprised the 6P does so much better, but those "open a bunch of apps and then re-open them" tests are stupid. They don't measure anything close to a realistic user experience.
Does this test show that the 5X is slower? Yes. Does it show that users will be disappointed in its performance? No.
Test the two with some real-world tasks. That will tell you what kind of user experience people will have. I still wouldn't be surprised if the 5X does much worse, but at least you'd see something meaningful.
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I'm not surprised the 6P does so much better, but those "open a bunch of apps and then re-open them" tests are stupid. They don't measure anything close to a realistic user experience.
Does this test show that the 5X is slower? Yes. Does it show that users will be disappointed in its performance? No.
Test the two with some real-world tasks. That will tell you what kind of user experience people will have. I still wouldn't be surprised if the 5X does much worse, but at least you'd see something meaningful.
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Exactly my thoughts. What's funny is that he called this test "daily use".
I'd have loved to see the 2013 nexus 5 do that test.
Well I honestly prefer a test like this than a benchmark app with a score.
Look at my Z5 Compact. Excellent scores in benchmarks. But then it has stutters and a lot of random delays compared to the Nexus 5 (2013) running the same version of Lollipop. Not to mention the free ram (like 500-800 less) probably because of 64bit, zRam or just all the sony libs hidden in system.
Sometimes when I unlock the phone I make a (real) travel through a lot of different apps.
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Well I honestly prefer a test like this than a benchmark app with a score.
Look at my Z5 Compact. Excellent scores in benchmarks. But then it has stutters and a lot of random delays compared to the Nexus 5 (2013) running the same version of Lollipop. Not to mention the free ram (like 500-800 less) probably because of 64bit, zRam or just all the sony libs hidden in system.
Sometimes when I unlock the phone I make a (real) travel through a lot of different apps.
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Okay, but how does this better match what you do daily? Benchmarks are just benchmarks, regardless.
Nexus 5x vs Nexus 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4pKV3bS7c
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Nexus 5x vs Nexus 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4pKV3bS7c
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Pretty sad. I wonder if this is due to encryption? I'd like to see this test once a kernel that disables encryption is released. So far I have no reason to get the 5x to replace the 2013 nexus 5. I don't care about fingerprint reader at all. A better camera would be nice but without any sort of image stabilization I doubt I'd take better pictures anyway since I don't really take many pictures. Pretty underwhelmed... I was so excited for this phone...
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Nexus 5x vs Nexus 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4pKV3bS7c
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Interesting the 5X didn't have the app reloading problem here like it did in the vs. 6P video.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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Oh and here's part 2 to the 5X vs. 6p:
https://youtu.be/9WS01o-1zl0
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
App opening tests like the ones shown in the videos are indeed not very useful. Pinch zoom test, scrolling a complex web page with/without background tabs, loading galleries and zooming in and out as well as flipping through images, and yes, some game loading or Play store loading tests are more informative. Side-by-side tests can be done when you encounter anomalies, e.g. when one of the phones dropping frames. That would tell more about day-to-day performance than opening a dozen apps one at a time and timing it.
Speaking of frames, turning on GPU rendering profile in Developer Options is one of the easiest ways to see the UI performance.
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App opening tests like the ones shown in the videos are indeed not very useful. Pinch zoom test, scrolling a complex web page with/without background tabs, loading galleries and zooming in and out as well as flipping through images, and yes, some game loading or Play store loading tests are more informative. Side-by-side tests can be done when you encounter anomalies, e.g. when one of the phones dropping frames. That would tell more about day-to-day performance than opening a dozen apps one at a time and timing it.
Speaking of frames, turning on GPU rendering profile in Developer Options is one of the easiest ways to see the UI performance.
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Well it is helpful in the sense of multitasking and RAM management. I've been a fan of these tests since Phone Buff started them.
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I agree that portion is useful, although you have to wonder just how many people flip through that horrendous carousel to launch previous used apps instead of just finding an icon or a widget on home screen. Now, granted reloading will still disadvantage lower amount of RAM but I think a bigger mountain has been made out of that molehill. I usually do not run into a situation where I need more than 10 apps need to stay alive in RAM.
That was not a hard use.
were only 10 apps! Since App calculator, alarm clock, translator are lightweight apps.
Imagine this with App facebook, messenger, whatsapp, Skype, running games, Chrome with 10 tabs open, oficce, music app, photo editor, maps .... etc.
This test is more useful than those benchmark test.
This test is a typical use demonstration of the day day (the opening speed, speed in switching between apps and see if the reload apps).
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I'm not surprised the 6P does so much better, but those "open a bunch of apps and then re-open them" tests are stupid. They don't measure anything close to a realistic user experience.
Does this test show that the 5X is slower? Yes. Does it show that users will be disappointed in its performance? No.
Test the two with some real-world tasks. That will tell you what kind of user experience people will have. I still wouldn't be surprised if the 5X does much worse, but at least you'd see something meaningful.
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Yeah I wouldn't let this discourage anyone looking to get the 5x. It will handle your daily stuff just fine. People are acting like they stuck the Snapdragon 800 in it (which BTW, my two year old n5 performs fantastic - sold my GS6 and went back to it even).
Is it as nice as the 6p? Of course not. The Nexus 5 was nowhere near flagship level either (neither was the N6 for that matter). At the same time, its half of the price of its big bro. Why would anyone expect it to be better?
I'm a HUGE Nexushead. Just because the 5x isn't "premium" does not make it a sh*t phone. Expect an upgraded N5, and be happy.
I want both devices tbh, but the 6p will be first
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That was not a hard use.
were only 10 apps! Since App calculator, alarm clock, translator are lightweight apps.
Imagine this with App facebook, messenger, whatsapp, Skype, running games, Chrome with 10 tabs open, oficce, music app, photo editor, maps .... etc.
This test is more useful than those benchmark test.
This test is a typical use demonstration of the day day (the opening speed, speed in switching between apps and see if the reload apps).
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It wasn't really. All Google apps too. That's why I prefer Phone Buff as they use a good mix of apps.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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That was not a hard use.
were only 10 apps! Since App calculator, alarm clock, translator are lightweight apps.
Imagine this with App facebook, messenger, whatsapp, Skype, running games, Chrome with 10 tabs open, oficce, music app, photo editor, maps .... etc.
This test is more useful than those benchmark test.
This test is a typical use demonstration of the day day (the opening speed, speed in switching between apps and see if the reload apps).
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Agree with bolded part..
5X could probably do fine on 2GB ram now.. but with ever increasing memory footprint of these apps/games, it will be a serious bottleneck a year down the road IMO. I would be excited for a 2GB phone if it's 2013.
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I'm not surprised the 6P does so much better, but those "open a bunch of apps and then re-open them" tests are stupid. They don't measure anything close to a realistic user experience.
Does this test show that the 5X is slower? Yes. Does it show that users will be disappointed in its performance? No.
Test the two with some real-world tasks. That will tell you what kind of user experience people will have. I still wouldn't be surprised if the 5X does much worse, but at least you'd see something meaningful.
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This is the best way to test IMO. It shows real world use and not just a benchmark score. Samsung and LG phones can get high scores, but the lag is crazy due to the OS and skins.
Hi,
I'm really disappointed, I got my brand new s8 yesterday, and it looks and feels amazing like really really great.
Sadely it stutters a lot after a few swipes scrolling down in many apps, most disappointing were Instagram and Fenix, two perfectly smooth apps on my Pixel.
Is my device defective? What's your experience?
I think I 'm going to return it though
Best,
Dreadk
Instagram feels fine while scrolling ... even fast scrolling is good.
Maybe your Inet connection bandwidth?
My s8 stutters. I have no lag in instagram. Samsung browser lags a lot, also apparant on xda-dev forum site. My s7 edge never stuttered, it's buttery smooth. Both devices are Exynos. I am contemplating about returning it and sticking to my galaxy s7 edge. Batterylife also is worse than my s7 edge. On my s7 edge, I averaged at around 1000-1500mAh used for the battery. On my s8, I averaged at around 800-900mAh....
My phone is always warm, Android System is also quite high at about 10% when the display is at 40%. I am not happy with the S8. My s7 edge is much louder with dualspeakermod as well. The s8 has a very very weak earpiece speaker, so dualspeakermod won't be amazing at all.
Rear-facing camera favours retaining highlights on the s8. On the s7 edge it always wants to up the shadows. S8 camera has less noise but it's nothing special compared to my s7 edge.
Front facing camera is nice on the s8...but the autofocus is a pain in the ass. On the s7 edge, focus is always perfect due to fixed focus. On s7 edge, sometimes it needs refocus and can result in blurred image....
I got a 500Mb fiber and my Pixel on the same wifi scrolls smoothly anyway.
Wish it could be a simple fix like that ^^
Wow looks like you have much more complaints than I do, anyway I didn't test the phone further, smooth scrolling is one on my most wanted feature ; so I stopped digging deeper.
Why no reviewer did notice this stuff though?
I remember it was the same with iPhone 7 stuttering everywhere (10.3 greatly improved that recently, but too late).
Guys,
How are you installing your apps?
Are you doing a transfer from old phone to S8?
Sometimes installing apps fresh is best. Also double check your settings.
I usually use Nova Launcher so will see what the stock launcher is like for a day or two and then decide if Nova will be better.
I did a transfer first and then two factory reset installs (only installing instagram and fenix) because I couldn't believe it
I wonder if it's not an Exynos only problem, I suspect Samsung might have optimized the snapdragon / US version much more than the European one; US market is way more important I guess.
Any clue about that?
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I usually use Nova Launcher so will see what the stock launcher is like for a day or two and then decide if Nova will be better.
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Nova launcher works fine
Dreadk said:
I did a transfer first and then two factory reset installs (only installing instagram and fenix) because I couldn't believe it
I wonder if it's not an Exynos only problem, I suspect Samsung might have optimized the snapdragon / US version much more than the European one; US market is way more important I guess.
Any clue about that?
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I have the US Verizon variant and mine lags a lot. Tons of jank when simply pulling down the Notification Shade. Very disappointed. Doesn't matter whether I run the TW or GN launchers; both do the same thing. For having a SnapDragon 835 and a truckload of RAM, I expected it to be very smooth. I've tried turning down the display to just HD and that didn't make any difference at all.
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I have the US Verizon variant and mine lags a lot. Tons of jank when simply pulling down the Notification Shade. Very disappointed. Doesn't matter whether I run the TW or GN launchers; both do the same thing. For having a SnapDragon 835 and a truckload of RAM, I expected it to be very smooth. I've tried turning down the display to just HD and that didn't make any difference at all.
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I have a US GS8 on VZW and I actually feel this is the smoothest device I've ever used. I'm coming (back to Android after a mini break) from an iPhone 7 Plus and in some places the GS8 is smoother and more fluid than the iPhone. It's way better than what Android used to be.
Maybe there's an app or something running in the background?
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I have a US GS8 on VZW and I actually feel this is the smoothest device I've ever used. I'm coming (back to Android after a mini break) from an iPhone 7 Plus and in some places the GS8 is smoother and more fluid than the iPhone. It's way better than what Android used to be.
Maybe there's an app or something running in the background?
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I thought that too but this did it right out of the box before I even started loading apps. I'd love to figure out what's wrong. Considered doing an FDR just for the sake of doing it before I get too comfortable with the initial setup, as I know I'm lazy and will put it off. I mean could I have a CPU disabled or something? I guess I could contact Samsung support but I'm assuming they are going to be swamped for the next couple of weeks... but need an answer before my return window comes up.
Lucky Armpit said:
I have the US Verizon variant and mine lags a lot. Tons of jank when simply pulling down the Notification Shade. Very disappointed. Doesn't matter whether I run the TW or GN launchers; both do the same thing. For having a SnapDragon 835 and a truckload of RAM, I expected it to be very smooth. I've tried turning down the display to just HD and that didn't make any difference at all.
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I have a US GS8 on VZW and I actually feel this is the smoothest device I've ever used. I'm coming (back to Android after a mini break) from an iPhone 7 Plus and in some places the GS8 is smoother and more fluid than the iPhone. It's way better than what Android used to be.
Maybe there's an app or something running in the background?
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Maybe there's an app or something running in the background?
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As I said, I factory reset two times, only installing instagram and fenix after initial setup and without modifying any option. No luck
Maybe I got a defective unit.
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Why no reviewer did notice this stuff though?
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Because everyone configures their phone differently and the likely cause of these random issues isn't the phone it's some combination of user specific apps and settings.
Dreadk said:
I did a transfer first and then two factory reset installs (only installing instagram and fenix) because I couldn't believe it
I wonder if it's not an Exynos only problem, I suspect Samsung might have optimized the snapdragon / US version much more than the European one; US market is way more important I guess.
Any clue about that?
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I remember a few years ago when the note 5 was released. Boy did that phone lag, it was unbelievable. The thing is not many people would notice it and like you I use fenix and talon for Twitter and if a phone lags on these 2 apps it's glaringly obvious for me. Please let me know how you get on with this as was hoping to get a s8 from work.
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Because everyone configures their phone differently and the likely cause of these random issues isn't the phone it's some combination of user specific apps and settings.
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Please read my posts, I did factory reset the phone two times only installing instagram and fenix, not changing any settings.
Definitely not user specific, I wish it could be though, easy fix...
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Please let me know how you get on with this as was hoping to get a s8 from work.
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I did a video, can you see the stutter (the video is 60fps) ?
https://youtu.be/YTTYtT8JR_U
The worst part is around 12 to 17 sec.
give the phone a bit of time to adapt, there is always small updates to fix these minor issues
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give the phone a bit of time to adapt, there is always small updates to fix these minor issues
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Guess you're right, I'm quite sure the stutter is caused by Samsung software trying too hard to smooth the scrolling.
Because to get the stutter I must scroll without pause, if I pause and scroll again things stay smooth.
I really hope they fix that soon but what if they don't and I can't return the phone...
PS: it tooks Apple 6 months to fix the same kind of issues on the iPhone 7.
UK s8. Upgraded from a Google Pixel and it feels like a downgrade in terms of speed and smoothness. Not buttery at all. Stutters everywhere!
Seriously, Samsung? Don't they test these things?