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[DISCUSSION] Scrolling and touch screen issues compared to iphone 4

I don't think it's a problem specific to me, but to all Android phones.
I find there are three scrolling/touch screen issues compared to iphone 4.
1) I'm now using Desire Z at 1.4ghz, but if I compare scrolling smoothness e.g. in Gallery or in Internet web page to scrolling on the iphone 4, iphone 4 is a lot smoother and easy on the eye.
2) Also, there is always a like a split second delay when trying to scroll. e.g. you flick the finger, then a split second later it starts to scroll. It's a minor thing yes but it's a bit annoying. You don't get anything like this in iphone 4. However, in the developer app "Multitouch Vis Test" it shows the touchscreen actually reacts straight away... so that seems to be a software issue within Android
3) Another thing, the phone doesn't respond to very fast flicks.
A test on the Multitouch Vis Test confirmed this. If I flick fast, only one point of the screen is registered, but no more - meaning that screen will not scroll.
On the iphone 4 there are no such issues like these.
Do you all agree?

hamish909 said:
I don't think it's a problem specific to me, but to all Android phones.
I find there are three scrolling/touch screen issues compared to iphone 4.
1) I'm now using Desire Z at 1.4ghz, but if I compare scrolling smoothness e.g. in Gallery or in Internet web page to scrolling on the iphone 4, iphone 4 is a lot smoother and easy on the eye.
2) Also, there is always a like a split second delay when trying to scroll. e.g. you flick the finger, then a split second later it starts to scroll. It's a minor thing yes but it's a bit annoying. You don't get anything like this in iphone 4. However, in the developer app "Multitouch Vis Test" it shows the touchscreen actually reacts straight away... so that seems to be a software issue within Android
3) Another thing, the phone doesn't respond to very fast flicks.
A test on the Multitouch Vis Test confirmed this. If I flick fast, only one point of the screen is registered, but no more - meaning that screen will not scroll.
On the iphone 4 there are no such issues like these.
Do you all agree?
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Well, it is Apple, all their devices have little lag. Until the new device comes out and they cripple it with an update.
I think Android wasn't designed as much for style (till Gingerbread) or speed. But for usability. Froyo made it faster.
Any phone with an OS designed for it and it alone will be faster than a "Here, have this, put it on a phone" OS. The G1, N1 and NS will probably be a bit faster than a Desire Z because the OS updates were designed for them. Or whatever, I'm just rambling on...

I would have to completely agree that things just aren't as fluid and quick as iPhone, however Android is not yet polished and was never meant to be all about beauty. I'm sure it will come in time but for now it's about the endless functionality.
Apple is more about a pretty, but sterile environment. They'll always look pretty and run smoothly, but you'll have them restricting you in every way possible. Which can be a good thing for a lot of people (especially those who are not techy). I would never trade my Android for an iPhone, but I do wish that it ran as fluid.

I have always been pretty happy with the scroll speed, haven't used an Iphone much though.
.... But have you tried Launcher pro with the elastic scrolling on and min scroll speed set to max? Give it a try.

I thinks it's more the smoothness and consistency than the speed that is the issue. There is a stutter in most programs and it can seem quite jerky on menus with images that load as you scroll.

At least we don't get dumb gray checker board patterns when scrolling fast
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Dont agree sorry. Scrolling seems fine to me, and as mentioned above i would trade slightly worse scrolling/touch input for actually being able to use the hardware i paid for how i want to. Only used my flatmates iphone 4 for a short period of time though (then got bored haha) so may not have used it long enuf to notice.
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That's weird when I used my iPhone 4 I got checkers when zooming in or scrolling. It was so annoying made me miss Android
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I had some of the 'lag' that you mention while using the stock ROM that my device shipped with (HTC Sense 2.0 over Froyo) The stock ROM seemed to be built around beauty rather than function. It looked great but consequently slowed my device.
Since flashing CM 6.1, the device is much more responsive and I have no lag. That is without overclocking. When overclocked, the device is that much more amazing.
I have not played around with the new Iphone 4 much but when comparing my device to my girlfriends Iphone 3GS, the Desire Z blows it out of the water.

well you can't really compare them. iOS 4 is designed to run a more simple os overall. For the longest time iphone didn't have multitasking which made android appear to be "sluggish" but if you dissect an iphone's hardware with an android phone, you will see that specs today are similar and on some androids even better. Hypothetically I believe that if you were able to port ios 4 to a desire z or g2, you'd probably see better performance that the iphone itself.

I completely agree. That's one thing I miss from the iPhone, the smoothness of the scrolling and ui polish.
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I use LauncherPro at 1.4GHz on Stock ROM.

The reason there isn't very smooth scrolling on android is because android doesn't have gpu accelaration.
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ibemad1 said:
The reason there isn't very smooth scrolling on android is because android doesn't have gpu accelaration.
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This. The g1 only supported one instance of opengl at a time, so the ui is mostly cpu based. I really wish they would revamp this

SGSII My thoughts on this Phone and Android

I've had the SGSII for about a week now after moving from a Nexus One running CM7, and wow I am impressed.
I know that in the grand scheme of things it's an incremental upgrade - the main reason I left it a while to move - however the SGII has in my view made a significant leap.
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
Hopefully whatever Samsung have done, whether it be related to the chips in the phone or software tweaks, will be copied by all Android devices, and we can put the nagging sense of UI inferiority behind us (and I know the lack of smoothness bugged you no matter how hard you denied it).
Let's hope Android has put stuttering and lagging behind it forever. Well done Samsung.
P.S.
I haven't used the HTC Sensation so I don't know if they too have achieved this, but this is based on my observations of the hardware at my disposal.

About the same as my view of the phone thats why i find it hard to understand the this is a crap phone posts can i have sense on it is their an IOS4 rom for it etc . A if i thought the phone was crap i would have returned it B if i wanted sense i would have bought sense phone .
But yes with Android customers have choice across a broad range of phones and that is why its winning the sales drive .
Looking forward to more Android improvements as this is only really year two of development .
jje

Dont get your point.
I find the IP4 laggy compared to the SGS2 . The i9100 is by far smoother in my opinion

I haven't used or seen a better smartphone. My sgs2 is borderline biblical!

austinchimp said:
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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u could not have said it any better
what u explained is the MAIN reason i bought this phone
there is no " lag " its just wonderful
what would make this phone perfect is a ROM based of AOSP
which im still waiting for team hacksung to finish its version of CM7

austinchimp said:
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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samsung has hardware accelerated many parts of the UI. the web browser for example is hardware accelerated, as well as a few other places.
this is why i blast google. they should have been using hardware acceleration from day 1 to give the same smooth UI experience as the iphone. the SGS2 is not doing anything special, its not the dual core making it so smooth. its simply because samsung took the time to optimize the SGS2 with graphics chip, rather than putting the burden on the CPU 100% of the time.
the nexus one would be just as smooth. look at WP7 devices. they all use the same hardware as the n1, but use hardware acceleration and proper drivers, and are the smoothest devices in the world right now.

Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?

The "this is a crap phone" posts probably mostly come from people who don't own this. ...I know that might sound a little odd but trust me, even in Android communities there are fan-boys, and some actually go that far...

yup. time to throw my htc legend. i play the pinball game. the ball look like teleporting...
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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Its hard to understand why people love this device soo much unless you actually ownit. This phone seems to give the feeling that android should have been this fluid from the beginning. There is no device (including the sensation) that operates as smoothly as the sgs2. I love this phone.

gstar_raw said:
I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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GS3! Wow...the rumours, are TOO GOOD. Anything Apple pull out of the bag, even next year would simple pale in comparison to the GS3.

Posts like these makes me anxious to get mine. Still waiting on UPS!
If Samsung did some hardware/driver acceleration magic, I wonder if CM7 and the other AOSP ROM project will be able to take advantage of this as well. I don't want the stock ROM to be the only super smooth and slick ROM available.

austinchimp said:
Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
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it hasnt taken too long. the original galaxy s also had hardware acceleration in the browser for example. only the international version, but it was lightening fast and smooth as butter. it only is because samsung took the initiative and did a custom job. google certainly hasnt implemented it yet, and in ice cream sandwich they claim it will come.
i'm right there with you, manufacturers should have been pushing for a UI experience that matches apple's.

since the op is sharing thoughts about the device, i'll share mine too. i FINALLY received it in the mail today. opened the box, the device is bigger than it looks in the online review (coming from a nexus s 4g). the thin factor is impressive, but not as impressive as i was expecting. the smoothness is there as expected, but the "S" boot image is freakishly laggy--no big deal.
camera-really good
screen-what can i say? super amoled plus looks great,
hardware finish/quality-pretty good...but i prefer the smooth back over the textured back--no big deal
touchwiz 4.0-hmm, this is tough, i need to play with it some more. samsung obviously put a lot to this UI, but so far it doesnt seem as refined as other skins...for example, the default lock screen is kind of laggy, and is a pain sometimes to fully move the lockscreen so that it unlocks. numerical battery percentage would be nice without having to go into settings...other than these minor gripes, i love the touchwiz widgets.
obviously samsung has really tried to outdo itself and competitors, and the sgs II is perhaps the best android phone out there. but as of right now, it doesn't really give me that "wow" factor despite all its features. but i've only had it for one day and haven't gotten to test out the dual core, dlna, and other features.

Samsung Galaxy Note - Performance Not Up to Scratch

I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?

kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play

easycure1974 said:
You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play
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That's true but then why make an underpowered phone which then results in lag & sluggishness?
Samsung should of increased the ram & cpu to solve this issue...
I know the SE has far less pixelmounts to shuffle but it's still bad considering a phone having just 512mb ram and a single core 1GHz processor destroy a phone having almost double the ram & a dual core processor.
I would of least expected it to be of a similar speed but it's lagging far behind.
The ONLY areas in which My Samsung Note beats my SE in tems of speed are:
Internet/browsing
Going through photos/zooming in/out
Aside from these 2 points the Note is far slower in every possible way. I hope the upcoming icecream sandwich can solve these issues...
I've seen several people running the proper official version of ice cream sandwich as standard on their Samsung Galaxy Nexus and their saying it's a HUGE & NOTICABLE difference compared to the previous version of Android.
I hope the same can be said when the Note gets it's upgrade!

kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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This sounds like an individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then it would have been noticed by the 80% in the poll here who like me think the note is pretty perfect.

easycure1974 said:
You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play
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that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come

katyarevishal said:
that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come
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Of course it has do with the pixels also. My SGS II was way smoother than the Note even though it has been better with KL7 rom. And the difference between them is that the Note has three times more pixels wich the higher clocked CPU cant make up to. And SE are known to have on of the fastest launchers of all the Android makers. Much quicker than Touchwiz

Gaugerer said:
This sounds like an individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then it would have been noticed by the 80% in the poll here who like me think the note is pretty perfect.
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Could be. The strangest thing is that MOST other launchers I've tried are worse and lag. Examples are ADW Launcher, Go Launcher and even the Ice Cream Sandwich Launcher...
The ONLY launcher that runs quite well is Launcher Pro Plus which runs slightly quicker than the stock touchwiz.
When trying Windows 7 Launcher it didn't work period, the home screen shakes up/down when trying to scroll...
Hopefully the next update should fix my problems. I am hoping Ice Cream Sandwich will resolve ALL my issues!
katyarevishal said:
that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come
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Thanks for backing me up. I fully agree 100% that Gingerbread has NOT been properly optimized to make full use of the Note, unfortunately...
The Note was made for ICS and as you also mentioned I hope ICS gives us an even better and faster Note.

This must bean individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then why isn't it a problem for every Note user?

Gaugerer said:
This must bean individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then why isn't it a problem for every Note user?
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I've read many posts on this very forum with people grumbling about lag and smoothness...

kanej2006 said:
I've read many posts on this very forum with people grumbling about lag and smoothness...
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That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?

Try rocet rom defosnappy like sg2 freeze apps u dont need wifi sharing etc
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Why don't you flash a custom ROM
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Gaugerer said:
That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?
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Because people doesn't see a problem on the same issues or doesn't have noticed at all custom brightness on high never used the phone on low light places. Never played a dark video, using Samsung wallpaper. Never where on forums to read about the problems. My phone didn't have a pink spot on camera till I headed about it and reproduced low light with white paper on macro shot, and there was a pink spot, used flash on same pic no pink spot same conditions. Simple if you don't know it isn't there
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kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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Coming from the gtab 10.1, adw launcher was recommended to get rid of slight home screen lag, which it did.
So I threw up adw launcher on my note, and it is definitely slower than stock twlauncher.
Kinda strange.

Well, adding more RAM won't make it more responsive, and it is already running the fastest dual core SoC on the market. So spec wise there is not much Samsung can do. Maybe in a few months when quad core SoC becomes mainstream it will release a Note 2 with quad core SoC.
My dad has a Note and I do feel that my Galaxy Nexus is more responsive. Given that the resolutions on the two are similar, I think after the ICS update the Note will run smoother overall. That is of course assuming that the new version of TouchWiz won't screw the phone up.
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That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?
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Since when did I mention anything about the Note being faulty?
I simply said it is not performing as well as it should and most people will agree with me.
You are the one who implied that my Note is faulty, not me.
There is nothing wrong with my Note apart from it's sluggish performance.
Many other users on this forum have opened up threads with regards to performance issues as well as methods of trying to speed the Note up.
If you go through the first few pages of the Galaxy Note General section you will see several threads with forums regarding input lag, slowness & other response issues...
As katyarevishal kindly explained ONE big reason for the lag/slow downs of the Note is due to the high pixel density of the screen.
Aside from the pixel density the Note's performance is let down because of Gingerbread and it's poor optimization.
Last but not least, WHY do you think so many people are counting down the days and looking forward to the release of Ice Cream Sandwich?
Simple, because they are hoping it will solve issues many of which I've already mentioned, mainly the lag and the fact it's not running as smoothly as it should.

kanej2006 said:
Since when did I mention anything about the Note being faulty?
I simply said it is not performing as well as it should and most people will agree with me.
You are the one who implied that my Note is faulty, not me.
There is nothing wrong with my Note apart from it's sluggish performance.
Many other users on this forum have opened up threads with regards to performance issues as well as methods of trying to speed the Note up.
If you go through the first few pages of the Galaxy Note General section you will see several threads with forums regarding input lag, slowness & other response issues...
As katyarevishal kindly explained ONE big reason for the lag/slow downs of the Note is due to the high pixel density of the screen.
Aside from the pixel density the Note's performance is let down because of Gingerbread and it's poor optimization.
Last but not least, WHY do you think so many people are counting down the days and looking forward to the release of Ice Cream Sandwich?
Simple, because they are hoping it will solve issues many of which I've already mentioned, mainly the lag and the fact it's not running as smoothly as it should.
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Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.

Gaugerer said:
Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.
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I don't think it is the same if you say having issues and the phone has some issues. As I said before my phone has issues I don't have with the phone. They will get fixed some day
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Gaugerer said:
Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.
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Polls here show: Out of the people who TOOK THE POLL, 80% of them have no issues.
Here is the poll you mentioned:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7143
Sample size of 139 people.
80% which you have claimed have no issues = 111 individuals without problems.
This is not considering poll bias, skewed data, and other extra factors.
80% of Note users here on xda and 111 individuals who own a note here on xda are TWO different things.
So stop going around posting your canned 'it must be an individual problem, 80% of users love it, galaxy note is not faulty' responses and try to say something useful.
I can't tell if you're a troll, a horribly misguided fellow who doesn't understand how internet polls works, or just a terrible marketing intern

Well said aigoya, never did I say the Note was a bad device, only that it's performance was slightly sluggish and it's not performing as it should.
It's performance is being held back due to Gingerbread & will hopefully perform better in everyway when Ice Cream Sandwich is released, that's what many of us are hoping for.
I'm very happy with my Note in every other aspect.
As for Gaugerer I have no idea why he is having a go at me. We are here to discuss, help & trouble shoot, not troll and misguide others...

I played around with the S3 at a Bell store today...

... and noticed that all 3 demo'd devices were a bit... laggish. I mean, I tried running a game (blood and glory) and I noticed some frame skipping while no other apps running. I tried scrolling through lists in Google Play or Settings and noticed some sluggish preformance, kindly like using an HTC device.
Then I noticed while downloading an app, it started locking up the phone and became unresponsive at times until the download was complete, twice as slow as my GS2. This seemed a bit confusing.
I'm just having a bit of a dilemma as to whether it makes sense to upgrade to the North American version or buy the international version since it's better spec'd for performance.
What say you?

Probably had numerous processes running. You can close out of an app, but it can still run in he background.

That's the thing, I did by closing all apps and via task manager as well as clearing memory option. It was very odd.

ive been rethinking my purchase since jellybean.
i doubt ill switch to the nexus though.

I don't know about Bell but a lot of times AT&T demo's have special programs on them that run like a video brochure for customers to see many of the phones features and this program can't be unactivated.
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I have a White SGS3 for AT&T and I will tell you it runs lag free!!!

I don't have lag neither it might have been their units maybe someone install something that weren't supposed to, I do not have any lag
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Not lagging here at all... So not sure what was going on
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did you try rebooting the phone?

I have the Telus Galaxy s 3, there is no lag and it is smooth and super fast compared to my galaxy note.

Zero lag.

This thing runs circles around my razr maxx running aokp. It is decently quicker than my transformer prime too.
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I've actually noticed a similar thing with my SGS3. I'm coming from the original Atrix 4G with Gingerbread. That thing was so impressively fast that it would keep up with my absolute fastest taps (I just know where buttons are and I wouldn't even wait for the next menu to draw on screen before tapping).
I expected the S3 to be at least as fast but then I noticed something; ICS is a BEAST! ICS seems to be very labor intensive to run and this translates to the SGS3 being maybe 15% slower with general navigation. Not such an enormous issue (and Jelly Bean will likely fix that), but it gets worse with games.
Games never had an issue on my Atrix, then again I was never running NOVA 3 with a PS3 controller. The Snapdragon S4's video core just doesn't seem to be that powerful. Many games, even ones that are months old drop (many) frames when settings are turned up. The worst culprit however is NOVA 3 (probably the most advanced game). Maybe the version I'm running just isn't optimized for the Snapdragon, but that **** lags like a little *****! Barely pushing 5-10fps during on screen action. The international SGS3 with the Mali400 video core seems to be so far advanced that even the most labor intensive game can't begin to tax it...
Sad, just our plight. But it gets even worse. The Snapdragon is supposed to be super duper advanced and truly future tech, but NOW. It is amazing that it can even keep up with the most advanced quad-core of today, but it's biggest benefit is supposed to be battery life. Smaller manufacturing process, half the cores, advanced architecture, but only maybe a 10% improvement in battery life. Would you pass up LTE for better local performance? Maybe not. (They used the Snapdragon S4 because it has LTE built in and using the Exynos would mean needing a second LTE chip and SUPER ****TY battery life)
I don't really know much, but I feel like manufacturers should focus more on how to reduce the power consumption of the screen because I'm not sure how power hungry the processor is while I'm just reading an article in my browser (or playing a simple game for that matter). While AMOLED's are beautiful, I would prefer to have just a nice screen that frikin lasts a complete goddamn day at sufficient brightness for me to SEE ****!!(especially in the blasted sun!).
Samsungs quad-core is the processor of TODAY that all high end phones should match (not the case at all though). Dunno how they got the power consumption under control, but they did an excellent job. The rest of the world is very fortunate since their phones probably will not 'feel' slow in a year or two. As for the US? Well if it weren't for the rest of the package being so complete, the phone already feels dated to me. This phone, no, this generation of phones, seems to be more of a sidestep. Just like the SGS2 vs SGS3, there's a lot of the same stuff there, but it's all been a little more refined.
Ultimately, it was time for a new phone. This one should hold out for the next 18 months. After all, it is the undisputed best Android (the OneX is DOA due to it's lack of an SD slot; HTC is just plain stupid). In the next generation, I would really really really like to see some Pixel Q screen equivalent development, increased battery life, performance is a given, and some really clean designs with not so many lines and crap all over the place.
All that being said, the SGS3 is truly a beautiful phone in every respect. The enormous screen is packaged such that it feels so sleek and small and NOT cumbersome, that I actually want a larger screen because the whole phone feels smaller than it looks. I have an extremely high standard and this phone has yet to really annoy me with anything. It's an all around good phone.
Sorry for the long reply, I got a little carried away.

Its hard to judge a phones performance based on demo units. Think about how many people come into the store and mess around with the phone doing god knows what, installing who knows what, etc. Only way to really judge the performance is to play with a brand new one.

When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.

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When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.
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Haha I had some lag from time to time but then I flashed a debloated rom and this phone flies. Too much crap on the US phones - like always. This Snapdragon cpu is pretty sick! I get great battery life and thats comming from a razr maxx, but then again I am no longer using the power sucking verizon lte network.
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I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!

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I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!
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Don't root if you plan on returning. Just an FYI Samsung seems to have done a fast job porting ics onto the gs3. A lot of the apps are actually compiled in gingerbread which lack GPU and other performance enhancements
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You can root just make sure you use the root method that does not activate the counter. It's a sticky in the development section.
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Pick it up finally from Bell yesterday... HORRY SHEET! As expected, this thing is mind blasting! I did not think Google Maps could lock and navigate any faster, seriously.
Only thing that is sad is a lot of the games do not work for it yet. Can't wait till that happens.

Your galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition experience - pro's and con's

Hello I created this thread to share each of our thoughts, opinions, and feelings about the device so far.
I'll start.
Pro's
So far I really like this device. The screen display is the best I've seen so far.
One of the best features is multi tasking. The screen size makes perfect sense for doing so compared smartphones.
The main reason I ordered this tablet is because of college. Reading articles and textbooks are great due to 1080p display and it's pixels per inch.
My magazine/flipboard is a great integration into touchwiz ui even thought it feels laggy at first.
Con's
Though this is branded as a high spec device, I did notice some minor lag which doesn't bother me to much. But for a high end device and it's asking price, it's unexceptional!
Missing certain note 3 features like nfc, usb3.0
Physical buttons personally isn't the best idea. When I use this device in portrait mode, my fingers sometimes might hit them.
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Anyone want to share your impressions and experience about the device so far?
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Pros
- SPen
- Multi Windows Feature
- Hardwarekeys
Cons
- very hot around the camera (in Potrait Mode its to warm for me, on the other side is the home button)
- lags are often (Chrome, Firefox extremly. other Browser ok but not for a tablet for this price)

Agree almost entirely with op. Hopefully custom toms get rid of lag.
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I'm coming from the TF700, so I'm in heaven.
My pro's, beside not having extreme lag like my Infinity, are the screen and, also, the feel. The TF700 used to dig into my hands when I was holding it between my thumb and forefinger. This device is smoother on my fingers; when I hold the device in the same way, the device doesn't cut into my hands.
My cons are basically using Touchwiz (this is my first Sammy-d, so I have to become adjusted and figure out where to go to adjust settings and what-not. I also don't care for the physical buttons, because I'm constantly changing from portrait to landscape, and vice-verse.
But, overall...I'm very happy; I'll put up with the little things as long as I have a tablet that will do what I tell it to do, instead of waiting for an eternity.
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Pros: screen is awesome. S pen seems better than original, stock video player does better job with media server
Con's: Listening to all the people who probably do not even own the device talk about lag!
I propose that you have to prove ownership of note 2014 to post a complaint about lag AND show video proof.

Oh yeah!? Well....... I say anybody NOT having lag should also prove it with video and at least two ghost apparition sightings. It IS nearing Halloween

Just to let you know the resolution is higher than 1080P.
I agree with Most of your list though
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Pros:
-Display (as everyone has already mentioned).
-Design is sleek and much more comfortable and easy to handle than the previous model. I love the hard buttons and it works well with me. One issue I have heard about though is that the main menu button isn't receded so sometimes when pressure is applied to a case around that area it will wake up the tablet. As I don't have a case yet I can't confirm that this is an issue, but I believe just be running my finger over the button.
-S Pen (for the most part)
-And despite what many have said this thing is generally very fast. It's only within some applications that it gets a little laggy and I'm hoping that this will improve with software updates.
Cons:
-Mainly the software. I hate the new S Note. So much in fact, that I purchased Lecture Notes without having received my galaxy perks (which I"m still waiting on actually). Also I was a little disappointed that the air command wasn't customizable as I had heard it would be (or maybe I just haven't figured out how to do that yet). Taking screen shots with the lasso and s-button seems slower than it was in the older model, but I love that there are more options to shape the outline more cleanly.I'd also really love to be able to uninstall or disable some of the bloatware, like mymagazines. I'm sure it's a great app, but I personally have no need for it.
-There are hardly any accessories out for this baby yet. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a case.
-The back of the tablet gets a little warm, but not so warm to the point where I'd be concerned about it. I've had laptops that would get uncomfortably hot so maybe I've just been desensitized to this issue.
And the biggest problem I've had with this thing... the thing that has actually made me consider returning it is the customer service. I have not gotten my perks yet and contacted them several times only to get the run around. Each time I called back I found out that they had taken my information incorrectly and I honestly feel like they were toying with me. I spoke with one rep who seems more genuine than the others and said I should get them by Thursday so I'm holding out hope. There is no way I'll take this thing back, but if I dont' get my perks I may reach out to a friend who works for samsung in Korea. It'd be an awkward convo though cause I haven't spoken to the guy in years.... 대한민국!

May be off topic (I am not writing a review) but I think 'lag' in general on this device is unacceptable. If you're advertising a powerhouse piece of technology and it stutters in an internet browser then something is wrong. Using a different launcher to reduce 'lag' is also unacceptable as it shouldn't even be there in the first place! Hopefully new firmware irons out the kinks (I'm sure the lag isn't tablet-related as it just needs some optimization)

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Oh yeah!? Well....... I say anybody NOT having lag should also prove it with video and at least two ghost apparition sightings. It IS nearing Halloween
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As someone with both the this device and an HTC one, I can say that the note certainly lags more. It's not something that's major, but it's certainly noticeable if your coming from something smoother.
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I recorded a video on my crappy iphone, but i can't transfer it and i refuse to install that memory hog of crap itunes to get to it. I should be getting a note 2 in the next couple of weeks so i'll take a video then. is there anything in particular that you wanted me to do on it?
I admittedly dont' do too much on it besides browsing and taking notes. The worst I've seen the lag is when I have a webbroswer open and I'm writing in lecture notes. the writing shows up a second after i've written something and that is a bit annoying. Over all though I think people are being too critical of the lag. It's not so bad that it's keeping me from working on it (with the exception of using split screen between lecture notes and the default browser.
Besides for this tablet it's all about the s pen. if it wasn't for that i wouldn't have bothered with a tablet at all. I think smart phones are good for when you're on the move and if i'm going to sit down to watch a movie or do some gaming... well that's what i've got my laptop for. I don't live in a big city with good public transportation, but i could easily see myself just using my phone to watch a movie on a train or bus. I wouldn't bring out a tablet for that even if I owned one.

Sitting next to my rooted S3 running AOSP 4.3 it's a bit laggier. That's undeniable, IMO, and I'd argue that it's because of Samsung's bloated OS additions. It's not a device problem, I don't think.
However... I could not possibly care less. It's attractive, feels AMAZING in the hands (why is everyone complaining about the back?? I don't even want a case!!), the speakers are burly, the screen is superb, the stylus with the art apps can make stuff that looks like it was tone with a Wacom tablet, the cameras are SURPRISINGLY solid, it multi-tasks more like a PC than any tablet I've ever seen, and it's just... a joy to use.

gina$zanboti said:
I recorded a video on my crappy iphone, but i can't transfer it and i refuse to install that memory hog of crap itunes to get to it. I should be getting a note 2 in the next couple of weeks so i'll take a video then. is there anything in particular that you wanted me to do on it?
I admittedly dont' do too much on it besides browsing and taking notes. The worst I've seen the lag is when I have a webbroswer open and I'm writing in lecture notes. the writing shows up a second after i've written something and that is a bit annoying. Over all though I think people are being too critical of the lag. It's not so bad that it's keeping me from working on it (with the exception of using split screen between lecture notes and the default browser.
Besides for this tablet it's all about the s pen. if it wasn't for that i wouldn't have bothered with a tablet at all. I think smart phones are good for when you're on the move and if i'm going to sit down to watch a movie or do some gaming... well that's what i've got my laptop for. I don't live in a big city with good public transportation, but i could easily see myself just using my phone to watch a movie on a train or bus. I wouldn't bring out a tablet for that even if I owned one.
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Seems a lot of us sometimes forget the TRUE bottleneck of Android: The byte code Dalvik layer. This type of coding is not exactly multithread friendly and IMO seems amazing as good as the current passive cooled chipsets can do what they already do. Case in point, I never would have thought back in the G1 days emulators would be as efficient (MAME, PSX, PSP, N64). Then again, those apps are designed to not be multi-tasked.
IMO the issue is not as much the hardware or OE rom, but the platform itself as far as having global impact to software. iOS is not much better and ALSO lags. Such is the price of balance: Platform security (iOS andDalvik constraints), passive cooled devices, battery efficiency, etc.

Pros: Beautiful screen
feel and weight in your hand (compared to the previous version - which wasn't bad either)
S-Pen is less laggy and the finer screen allows for more precise writing/drawing
Cons: S-Note. I want the old version back.
Physical buttons. I really miss the natural "awareness" of where they are as compared to the old one where they were always at the
bottom of the screen.
Battery life isn't as nice as the first (alot more pixels to push I guess)
Lack of accessories (I'd really like a case)
Lack of root. I REALLY miss the 'add anything' multiwindow support'
I've waited a long time for a note 10.1 with this resolution but I'm considering returning it

I returned mine to BB. For a high end device and the associated high price I didn't find the performance acceptable. Hoping for this or that doesn't cut it for me. If it doesn't perform up to expectations out of the box, it goes back. I'll keep using my better performing Nexus 10 until version 2 of that device comes out.
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Count me among the disappointed... I got mine on launch day, and it's slower than last year's note 10.1.
New S Note is inexplicable.
Occasionally it hangs up and is unresponsive for at least a minute. (Happened in my beloved Lecturenotes as well as others)
Try this for a demo of the lag, I use LectureNotes with double tap zoom mode... open a note, double tap to enable zooming, pinch to zoom to 200%. Now double tap again to zoom back to 100% and watch it stutter. You can keep double tapping to switch between 100% and 200% and see the terrible lag. Do the same on last year's note 10.1 to compare.
It's not good enough. I expected this to be an upgrade!
I love the display, I love the more compact form factor, and I'll get used to the new buttons eventually.
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BigStuart said:
Count me among the disappointed... I got mine on launch day, and it's slower than last year's note 10.1.
New S Note is inexplicable.
Occasionally it hangs up and is unresponsive for at least a minute. (Happened in my beloved Lecturenotes as well as others)
Try this for a demo of the lag, I use LectureNotes with double tap zoom mode... open a note, double tap to enable zooming, pinch to zoom to 200%. Now double tap again to zoom back to 100% and watch it stutter. You can keep double tapping to switch between 100% and 200% and see the terrible lag. Do the same on last year's note 10.1 to compare.
It's not good enough. I expected this to be an upgrade!
I love the display, I love the more compact form factor, and I'll get used to the new buttons eventually.
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Key words: launch day. I know it's ****ty that a new device gets rolled out with imperfect software, but that's what this is. An update or two and this will be perfect. The 10.1, by the time we all upgraded, had a lot of updates to it that ironed out its issues.

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Key words: launch day. I know it's ****ty that a new device gets rolled out with imperfect software, but that's what this is. An update or two and this will be perfect. The 10.1, by the time we all upgraded, had a lot of updates to it that ironed out its issues.
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You're probably right, but it's shameful that the new note is slower than the old one, launch day or not.
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You're probably right, but it's shameful that the new note is slower than the old one, launch day or not.
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There's a few culprits here.
1) Software just plain isn't optimized for all the cores. Think about the tech advances from the old G1 to now. Are our devices now as much faster, proportionally speaking, as they are more powerful? Not by a long shot.
2) Was the launch day 10.1 2012 faster? I don't think. But that goes back to what I said earlier.
3) I feel like the new OS is just bloated as all hell. The device isn't slower, the burly Touchwiz is. It's like getting a brand new laptop and it takes longer to start: the PC isn't the problem, it's the new Windows.