I will buy a galaxy s7 edge next week, but for now in stores only the exynos version is available in my country. Is it a good soc? Or should I wait more for the snapdragon phone?
On my note 3 the exynos chip was considered pretty bad, on both performance and battery life.
Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
For day to day tasks, there's no difference
For me I would prefer SD, cuz the ROM, kernel and mod development is much much better and I'm a flashaholic but in Europe only the exynos is available. And I'm scared there won't be so much to flash\development...
Am I right? How was the ROMs, kernels ect. on s6 edge exynos? Will devs come support us?
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
Thanks for the replies, I'm going with the exynos then and I will preorder it as well, so I can get that vr.
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
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These tests being?
If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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I just pre ordered the UK S7 Edge, hoping it'll be Exynos.
In the benchmark thread people are getting virtually identical Antutu scores across chips. It looks like the Snapdragon is throttling earlier than the Exynos though, they always have ran hotter.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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Yes we should await further testing. Since the SD is released in America for some already, the benchmarks for exynos are hard to find.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Also awaiting the deep dive on both. Keep in mind though, that 2 of the 820s cores are clocked at 1.6 and have less l2cache to save power, and 2 of them are at 2.2ghz, so clock for clock they have very high performance. As for the power draw comparison, it was only an estimate to begin with, and ones got 4 little and 4 small and if it was only using the 4 small during the test that alone would be a noticeable power draw difference. It gets pretty complex with these big.little setups. I've also noticed the snapdragon version has a pretty high load average which should be able to get lowered with some modifications to the kernel.
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I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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I never believe people when they say they get 8 hours of screen on time.
And if you read my post carefully, you'll see the fact that I stated the SD820 still has great SoT, but just that there are issues with the Android system draining an alarming amount of battery percentage. This is not some baseless claim, there are multiple posts in the battery life thread showing the android system taking up 35%< of the battery.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3321547
In case you were wondering which thread.
Again, it's just a strange thing that can maybe be fixed by a software update.
And while we're at it, how about you show screenshots of your supposed 8 hours of SoT?
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Whoever have the exynos version please post a review on all details.
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Whoever have the exynos version please post a review on all details.
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+1
please!!!
Just got one yesterday and its really fast than my Note 2 here is my first antutu score on it
just got mine.loving the device. SM-N900 So far I can say that it is blazing fast. cam has no lag. Although my hand would hurt using this as my primary phone, the one handed operation features are quite brilliant. they've taken it to the next level. Screen is beautiful.Will play with it more
I wrote some impressions in a thread in the general section. Someone asked for benchmarks, and while google was resyncing apps, data, etc, I got a 17K quadrant score. I reran it a couple of times since then and my highest broke 22k.
Synthetic benchmarks aside, it absolutely flies. However, without an S800 to compare it to, I cannot say which is faster. They're both beasts.
On the other hand... it seems like they're generally pretty close, with the S800 edging out the exynos 5420 in most CPU-bound benchmarks. This makes me wonder - perhaps the exynos will be the better chip once the firmware update for heterogeneous big.little processing rolls out? Time will tell.
My money is on the Mali GPU, too - this is extremely unscientific, but the 604 was light years ahead of the Adreno 225 and better than the 320 in many cases, and the 6xx (628? I forget) sounds like such an enormous improvement. I'm sure the 330 is no slouch, but I think it could get edged out... again, time will tell.
Of course, none of this really matters. What really matters is the software, and I expect S800 will be EXTREMELY well supported. Every high-end (and even mid-range; did you see the new kindle fire?) has an S800, whereas the Exynos 5420 has almost no design wins and a tarnished reputation from the chip in the galaxy s4 (5410?).
If you're on the fence, I would say go with an S800. If you want to take a little gamble, get an Exynos - it won't be much worse than the S800, and in "Q4" (is that now? I don't know what samsung's fiscal quarter schedule is like) or later, I think there's a very real chance Exynos will come out on top.
Ok
I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
drakester09 said:
In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
Mandeep148 said:
ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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If you have used a Samsung phone in the past you will be accustomed to the lag and you'll enjoy the much improved Touchwiz.
I really hated it on the S3/N2, slightly disliked it on the S4/N3 but ended up liking the S5 version
Battery life and camera are really good.
Performance wise no games should lag or be a problem (only Xcom has managed to drop frames but it's the most demanding game right now).
Hope you enjoy your phone.
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First i bought the H version of the device. Was not happy with the lack of support from devs. Now i own the F version, and already have the wide range of custom FW available. So if you are the flashing geek, than definitely stick to the Snap device
The rumoured SoCs don't hold up to the competition (and by competition I obviously mean Samsung and Apple)
How are they going to make SD810 look good at their conference? (or will they not talk about hardware performance at all...) Either way, if it's an SD810, it's likely to get destroyed in reviewers benchmarks.
The SD810 is much slower than the latest Exynos, and far, far, far slower than Apple's new A9 chip (it is probably even worse than Apple's year old A8).
Many of us were hoping for either SD820 or Kirin 950... But there are so many people confirming SD810 ....
I'm not super happy with my Nexus 6, but SD810 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
NikAmi said:
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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Absolutely. I, too am still rocking this M7. It's no quitter by any stretch of the imagination! I just want stock Android and guaranteed timely updates, which this phone will definitely provide. Additionally, it looks like the M7 as well! As long as there isn't a ridiculous camera bump and it's just an area of the phone with different materials used (for radios and other gadgets that can't pierce through aluminum), I'd be sound as a pound. Besides, with the incredible performance rumors marching the internet (it's apparently FOUR TIMES faster than last year's Nexus 6), I think it's safe to say that this phone will be in my pocket for many years to come.
I remember an AnandTech article talking about the price of SoCs. they said that a high end SoC costs less than $30… and the low end are $10....
I don't think Google chose the SD810 because it was cheap. They chose it because there are very few options.
Apple doesn't sell their SoCs. Samsung doesn't sell much. Certainly not to real competition.
Nvidia can't do a SoC at low power. That leaves Intel, QCOM and some of the Chinese brands.
The Chinese brands may not be chosen because the Nexus needs to get approved quickly by lots of carriers. US carriers are quicker to approve QCOM
I would happily pay an extra $10-20 for a top or the line SoC
NikAmi said:
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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Ace42 said:
The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
SyXbiT said:
Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
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Unlike previous years Qualcomm didn't have their personal architecture (Kyro or whatever) prepared for 2015, so the SD810 felt like more of a placeholder. The thermal issues are likely a side effect of them using standard A57/A53 cores, they usually rely on custom architectures like Apple.
The SD820 according to QC has a bunch of improvements however, I'm unsure of whether it can beat the next Exynos or A9x.
I haven't checked out the new Kindles, but if they'll use A72's that's pretty good considering their HDX used the SD800.
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No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
TransportedMan said:
No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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Well those scores are still higher than any other Snapdragon at the moment. It's no E7420, but its the next best thing behind it. We also can't forget if this is the revised SD810 its been throttled to deal with its heating issues so the scores could possibly be higher. I don't care what the scores on paper say. All I want to know is are the heating issues fixed because some chips who have new 810 are still overheating.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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a single benchmark doesn't matter, you have to look at a sustained performance. I could just take a phone out of a fridge to run a benchmark and I can guarantee you it'll be amazing, but if I run the same benchmark several times continuously, the score will be significantly lowered. the key here is whether can google/huawei do something to keep the continuous performance. let's say if I run the benchmarks 5 times in a row, how much deviation will there be between the first and last one? that's the important thing here. typical SD810's performance isn't bad, it's the throttling that everyone hates
Hi,
as the title says, is it possible to buy the exynos version of galaxy s7 edge, but then change the CPU later to a snapdragon 820?
If it is possible to change the CPU / GPU where would i be able to find it as a sparepart?
Thanks in advance.
Eaglesix said:
Hi,
as the title says, is it possible to buy the exynos version of galaxy s7 edge, but then change the CPU later to a snapdragon 820?
If it is possible to change the CPU / GPU where would i be able to find it as a sparepart?
Thanks in advance.
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Not possible. You'd be better off just buying a Snapdragon variant but I have no idea why you would want to do that when the general consensus is the exynos version is slightly better.
what he said^^
Surely this is not a serious question. You intend to desolder the existing cpu?
sc2ascend said:
Not possible. You'd be better off just buying a Snapdragon variant but I have no idea why you would want to do that when the general consensus is the exynos version is slightly better.
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Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
Having some experience with PCB and electronics production, no it would not be possible to outright swap the cpu.
But maybe if you are good at tinkering you could buy a motherboard off of a broken device and swap that?
I do not have a lot of experience with electronics modification so i guess my only option is to buy the Snapdragon variant from another country.
In this context does anyone know of any verified phone sellers on the asian market (where the snapdragon variant currently is available) that has a webshop with international delivery?
Also if i buy the phone from asia will i be able to use it with a telephone subscription in Europe or is there some fundamental differences on the phone depending on where you buy it?
g4Nk said:
Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
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Nope, the only thing sd820 is better than 8890 is GPU. In cpu 8890 kills the sd820 even on battery life.
johanbiff said:
Nope, the only thing sd820 is better than 8890 is GPU. In cpu 8890 kills the sd820 even on battery life.
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Um, the 820 CPU beats the 8890 in single core performance. And battery life with the 820... well, I'll let my screenshots speak for themselves.
g4Nk said:
Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
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Numbers aren't everything. People with the Snapdragon are having issues playing videos that are 1080p and above. Video stops playing but sound still happens on youtube. Same issue the LG V10 had and another phone.
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Um, the 820 CPU beats the 8890 in single core performance. And battery life with the 820... well, I'll let my screenshots speak for themselves.
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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But it does. The only thing it slightly loses in is Integer performance. But it makes up for this in floating point superiority. Don't forget, the exynos in single threaded stuff runs at 2.6ghz, thats about 18% faster than the snapdragons 2.15ghz. If we Normalized the clocks, theres really no question which ones superior in single core performance. As for OPs question, no, unless you are a total bada** it would almost certainly not work. You would likely need to replace the whole board, not just the CPU as it's all one big interconnected system. Especially on the sd820, due to it using the symphony system manager to dynamically offload tasks to the DSP and other blocks to save power and improve performance. On top of all that you would also have weird issues with the kernel being for exynos version for instance and have to get that fixed.
Tldr. Plz don't...
IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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The reason Samsung didn't use the 810 last year was because it was an inferior SOC. It had a lot of heat issues. Up to that point qcom had been great. Also we have no twrp or kernels yet on SD because Samsung has only released exynos source so far for some reason -_-
consider samsung had a year with the 14nm processor, I would love to get my hand on an exynos processor. I have a feeling Samsung pay extra attention to their own processor than a snapdragon 820. Things like updates may come quicker too.
As Sammies Chip making process has grown (Yes Apple... Im looking at oyu) , its made Sammie a helluva ton'a muneh!
Seriously though, Samsung have done a good job with the last 2 gens of processors. S6 and Note 5 and the S7 8890 are nuts!
As for the sourcecode, well when its created by Samsung etc its not so bad
Back to the OP. No you cannot change the processor. Besides if it goes wrong, Warranty is instantly void
fkofilee said:
IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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It does but there is a diffrence. When the exynos win it does it with almost 40% in single core which IS noticeable ..the sd820 only wins with up to 10% which is not ( talking about single core here). Hopefully anandtech will sink there teeth in to both socs soon and we will get a clear answer. As for boost clocks... the sd820 have a GPU boost which helps it in bursty situations but can't sustain it for long, that's the extra score in 3D for ya. But will see as time goes by..I have a feeling the exynos is the better overall
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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I still had almost 20% battery left in those screenshots.
Either way, I don't think you can say the Exynos is superior. It's better at some things, sure, but the 820 also beats the Exynos in several areas. I have used both extensively and in real world usage, you can't tell a difference. Only benchmarks show the difference.
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It does but there is a diffrence. When the exynos win it does it with almost 40% in single core which IS noticeable ..the sd820 only wins with up to 10% which is not ( talking about single core here). Hopefully anandtech will sink there teeth in to both socs soon and we will get a clear answer. As for boost clocks... the sd820 have a GPU boost which helps it in bursty situations but can't sustain it for long, that's the extra score in 3D for ya. But will see as time goes by..I have a feeling the exynos is the better overall
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The best win the exynos pulls off in single core is in AES with a 57% win over the SD 820. In the same category the 820 wins sha2 with about a 40% win. And the exynos is clocked almost 20% higher... The exynos 7420 Mali GPU also had a burst clock. It ran at 650mhz unless all cores weren't loaded it would boost up to 720mhz for bursty workloads. In floating point the snapdragon pretty much wins everything despite being at a significant clock disadvantage. If we under clocked the exynos to 2.1ghz it wouldn't even be close IMO. In fact the Integer wins may be largely lost when clocks are normalized.
Qwhy don't people to a trans Atlantic phone exchange. I'm sticking with the exception exynos for the battery. Still waiting for a decent screen protector and battery case though.