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When considering which Galaxy S4 to buy I'm not sure which is better the US or International version.
US:
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
International:
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
Which is better in terms of performance?
Are they relatively the same performance since both use a quad core for high performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
Exynos is better in every aspect
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Better in sucking battery, yes! But that's it. You can expect development to be absolute crap as No developer wants to develope for exynos.
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Read this and educate yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
If your going to troll at least get your facts straight
Exynos will preform better and save more battery than the snapdragon 600 or almost any android device for that matter and he didn't ask for dev support comparisons
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Imo, real world battery tests and endurances is better than reading those facts. Tbh, it's too early to conclude which is better. Trully, exynos may sound better and more power efficient based on paper, but as of now, we aren't really absolutely sure that the s600 is far left behind. I think, the best for now is to wait for future actual owners of the official S4 to test the performance and battery life themselves..
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it's too early to tell, yes.
but I'm sure the Exynos Octa will perform as good as the snapdragon
and probably save more battery, since that's the whole point lol
PLUS it has a much newer and better GPU which is the reason I'm most interested in it
PLUG313 said:
it's too early to tell, yes.
but I'm sure the Exynos Octa will perform as good as the snapdragon
and probably save more battery, since that's the whole point lol
PLUS it has a much newer and better GPU which is the reason I'm most interested in it
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it's not so new and better like you say. the new gs4 has a powervr sgx544 wich is less performant than the adreno 320 of the snapdragon 600 http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?base=gpu
Many, MANY, of the top developers have already said they will not develop for Exynos. That would end that choice for me.
Omar56 said:
it's not so new and better like you say. the new gs4 has a powervr sgx544 wich is less performant than the adreno 320 of the snapdragon 600 http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?base=gpu
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how odd, I thought it was way better from what I read around the forums
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crawlgsx said:
Many, MANY, of the top developers have already said they will not develop for Exynos. That would end that choice for me.
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May i ask why? Sorry but i'm new to the samsung forums and don't have any idea why do the developers of exynos were withdrawing to support such a beast processor..
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Samsung won't release proper sources to help in development
But don't let that guy fool you we have dev support just not as much as say a Sony or HTC device
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samsung does show reluctance in helping developers especially with exynos!
exynos 5 did gave an impression, with multiple cores for battery saving.. but the real verdict will be available as soon as phone is released!!
snapdragon is a beast, no doubt in that!
Qualcomm will surely release sources so no problem with development of snapdragon s4!
I'm sure for such high activity device, CM will be there but the maintainers are no longer making CM, that's a bad news!!
I don't understand samsung's problem with open source, even in mid range phones like y,grand etc they have put broadcom chip with no available sources which makes CM development very hard for them!
Yup
js2892 said:
samsung does show reluctance in helping developers especially with exynos!
exynos 5 did gave an impression, with multiple cores for battery saving.. but the real verdict will be available as soon as phone is released!!
snapdragon is a beast, no doubt in that!
Qualcomm will surely release sources so no problem with development of snapdragon s4!
I'm sure for such high activity device, CM will be there but the maintainers are no longer making CM, that's a bad news!!
I don't understand samsung's problem with open source, even in mid range phones like y,grand etc they have put broadcom chip with no available sources which makes CM development very hard for them!
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i think Samsung is afraid of giving up their edge.. samsung never uses the mainstream parts.. they developed AMOLED when everyone went LCD, they went quad when everyone else went dual, and octa when everyone else went quad, while others stayed close to stock, Samsung made some awesome innovations in its unappreciated touchwiz that fixed lots of missing elements of its competitors (toggles in dropbar, delete apps from drawer, task killer inside long-press, divx/xvid support, exfat, swype, customizable gestures, etc)
Samsung doesn't want its competition to be able to take anything from it. the competition doesn't have anything to lose, as everyone else is pretty much doing the same thing in terms of the same screen given to every phone, and the same processor in every phone.
just my thoughts into it, its better for me if they were, but i think that's why they aren't so open.
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mikegonzalez2k said:
When considering which Galaxy S4 to buy I'm not sure which is better the US or International version.
US:
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
International:
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
Which is better in terms of performance?
Are they relatively the same performance since both use a quad core for high performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
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in my experience and study;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapdragon
x102x96x said:
in my experience and study;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapdragon
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do you mean the exynos is superior?
essentially they are both QUAD core chips right?, one having a high power sibling to offload heavy duty work, and the other just being heavy duty.
So if this was the case the 1.9ghz chip would be faster anyway right?
NuclearEMP said:
essentially they are both QUAD core chips right?, one having a high power sibling to offload heavy duty work, and the other just being heavy duty.
So if this was the case the 1.9ghz chip would be faster anyway right?
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Actually no the krait cores in the snapdragon 600 have to compromise performance to save battery whereas Exynos doesn't it's alot faster + has better gpu all that while saving more battery
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TingTingin said:
Samsung won't release proper sources to help in development
But don't let that guy fool you we have dev support just not as much as say a Sony or HTC device
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Just depends on what part of Dev is important to you.
Exynos S4 will NOT get official CM support, but I am sure there will be lots of half baked themed TW roms if that is what you like.
crawlgsx said:
Just depends on what part of Dev is important to you.
Exynos S4 will NOT get official CM support, but I am sure there will be lots of half baked themed TW roms if that is what you like.
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Team hacksung have come out as saying that no one person speaks for the group
www.androidpolice.com/2013/03/19/te...ther-confirms-nor-denies-plans-for-cm-on-gs4/
I.e it may very well attain cm support
And as for the half baked cm roms that's also incorrect actually touchwiz roms are excellent
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I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
I'm going with the SD 600 because Qualcomm is very good at providing the source code for ROM development.
There really isn't going to be a huge difference in performance. The Exynos is slightly more powerful and comes with a Wolfson audio chip, but you're going to be limited to stock roms and incomplete AOSP roms until Samsung decides to release the source code. So if you plan to stay stock, get the Exynos. If you want AOSP roms, go with the Qualcomm.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
Closed Source Project said:
I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
bedi.gursimran said:
What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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The "Source Code" as he is talking about is for the exerynos chip sets. They are Closed Source Drivers that Samsung uses/makes. They have never released source code for the exerynos. So for developers who modify the operating system to use MAINLY AOSP type builds they have to basically create their own drivers to get them working partially and quite often they do not perform as well as some if the hardware when using a Samsung based ROM that they were made for. The exerynos is awesome but it frustrated MANY developers to not want to bother trying to get things working any longer for the phones with exerynos due to the lack of documentation of the drivers source code Samsung made. I am sure I am not totally correct here with some of the terms and it probably could be stated better. This is just my layman's take on the issue...
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
Anas553 said:
I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
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For now gaming would be better on exynos variant ,for development s600.
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Anas553 said:
Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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Yes. It is one of the most powerful processors you can get now. For me though, the deciding factor between the two is battery life. If the BIG.LITRLE architecture works as promised and delivers amazing battery life while doing things like watching videos and browsing the Web, I9500 will be the one I'm aiming for.
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Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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I would say the Snapdragon 800 because more devs would get it= more roms, better clock speed, better battery life because of chipset enhancements, faster charging because of chipset enhancements. If none of those matter to you get the Exynos version.
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hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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Define performance.
Then we talk. My definition of performance is much different from that of my neighbour.
Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
XDA HellHound said:
Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
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To be technical, it seems that Exynos benchmarks are slightly higher. However, I believe that is without the HMP update. With that, scores will skyrocket.
I can't make my mind up whether to get snapdragon 800 version or exynos 5420. By performance i mean which can do more multitasking and which can run apps faster etc
From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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Sammath said:
From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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One thing that pushes me towards the exynos is that it has 1866 ram speed whereas snapdragon only has 800
Which do you think will be better in the long run?
^^^ forgot to mention that because exynos has higher ram speed then that means quicker performance.
So, which one should I get? Will there really be any difference between the performance of exynos 5420 and snapdragon 800?
You really do seem to have an attitude in your posts. Anyways, the phone isn't out yet so all anybody has is benchmarks to go by. Not a lot of real world use reviews out there to compare the two.
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I guess the ram speed can be neglected in real life usage. The s4 with the s600 feels the same as the octa version to me. And that is while the octa s4 obliterated the s600 in Antutu and some other Benchmarks. Like I've said before, if you want lte and better rom support get the s800 one. If you're really spec whoring get a 8 core exynos.
Anyways, from what I've seen so far the s800 seems to be faster in Antutu but not that much so I guess they will be at the same level of performance.
I would get any device I could get which for me is the s800 since I'm from the Netherlands.
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S800
LTE
Better support
Benchmark mean absolutely nothing and are a terrible way if measuring a phone. I've seen plenty if phones have high numbers but real world experience sucked.
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Easy. Snapdragon since there will be much more support for it from developers.
Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
designgears said:
Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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Source? Cause idk about that....
kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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I thought they were. Wasn't it something like a Heterogeneous or HMP update.
SgtGoldy said:
Source? Cause idk about that....
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was news a few weeks ago.......
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-update-to-become-true-octa-core-chip_id47353
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...a-software-new-hardware-not-needed-after-all/
kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
designgears said:
It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
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Let me tell you some preludes:
The reason behind using 8 cores was to put in a pair of four aggressively powerful quad processors like the cortex A15 with another pair of less powerful yet more power efficient four quad processors like cortex A7.
This is the main intention behind putting all these 8 cores of ARM's big.little architecture. The purpose is to let the A15s handle power hungry tasks like web page opening, playing an asphalt 8 game etc while the a7s would handle "simple" tasks. This is more vividly demoed in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwbeb08W27U
Now, the way you are saying it is not a true 8 core processor as if you are
1. demanding 8 cortex A15 processors using 28 nm technology.
Do you know/have any idea what could happen if they all be available online at the same time in this case?
or
2. you knew there was a "true" octa core processor in the world, to be (or already) implemented in another device. IF SO, point us to that device and also explain what is the ideal to call a processor true 8 core.
It was never an intention of ARM to put eight A15s (for example) available for heterogeneous multi-processing.
Go here. Again 64 bit A57s are to be paired with 32 bit A52s.
Even the S4 equipped with exynos 5410 is an octa core processor device. It is just that the bloody CCI (cache coherence interconnector, CCI400) was crippled to enable all the 8 cores available online. Once the 8 cores packed in a SoC like this it is an octa core processor device. Whether or not you like it to call true 8 core.
Samsung/ARM worked on this and released another SoC (in the form of upgraded exynos) which has a working CCI that is free from the above mentioned flaw(s) which will have Cluster Migration by default and will receive the update that is made from Linaro team to enable all the 8 cores available online and therefore will become a "TRULY WORKING" 8 core processor which is implemented in Note 3.
These are facts, these have been heavily discussed in the general section of Samsung Galaxy S4 forums.
Oh, another thing- just because all these 8 cores are made to be available online it does not mean all the 8 cores will be working Simultaneously regardless of what application is in the process. Depending on the needs of the app(s) all these 8 cores (ranging from 1 core to the extreme case- 8 cores) can be used. If an app needs 4 cores, they can be used. If it needs 6 cores then they can be used. If it needs 8 cores then they can be used.
I personally am curious to see how it be going when all the 8 cores were used for an app.
And to the OP who's demadning a straight answer, my thoughts:
we do not know anything atm how power efficient and cool it'd be to have the HMP doing all these tasks. This requires
real life buyers buy the device
start playing with it
see how hot the device becomes (compared to another exynos device like s4).
It actually depends on those stuffs. You demand the answer as if we all knew from the beginning how exynos 5420 gonna perform in real life.
Ok
I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
mi7chy said:
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
DeBoX said:
But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
VaggD said:
As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
VaggD said:
Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
VaggD said:
No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
I will buy a galaxy s7 edge next week, but for now in stores only the exynos version is available in my country. Is it a good soc? Or should I wait more for the snapdragon phone?
On my note 3 the exynos chip was considered pretty bad, on both performance and battery life.
Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
For day to day tasks, there's no difference
For me I would prefer SD, cuz the ROM, kernel and mod development is much much better and I'm a flashaholic but in Europe only the exynos is available. And I'm scared there won't be so much to flash\development...
Am I right? How was the ROMs, kernels ect. on s6 edge exynos? Will devs come support us?
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
Thanks for the replies, I'm going with the exynos then and I will preorder it as well, so I can get that vr.
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
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These tests being?
If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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I just pre ordered the UK S7 Edge, hoping it'll be Exynos.
In the benchmark thread people are getting virtually identical Antutu scores across chips. It looks like the Snapdragon is throttling earlier than the Exynos though, they always have ran hotter.
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These tests being?
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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Yes we should await further testing. Since the SD is released in America for some already, the benchmarks for exynos are hard to find.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Also awaiting the deep dive on both. Keep in mind though, that 2 of the 820s cores are clocked at 1.6 and have less l2cache to save power, and 2 of them are at 2.2ghz, so clock for clock they have very high performance. As for the power draw comparison, it was only an estimate to begin with, and ones got 4 little and 4 small and if it was only using the 4 small during the test that alone would be a noticeable power draw difference. It gets pretty complex with these big.little setups. I've also noticed the snapdragon version has a pretty high load average which should be able to get lowered with some modifications to the kernel.
AhsanU said:
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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I never believe people when they say they get 8 hours of screen on time.
And if you read my post carefully, you'll see the fact that I stated the SD820 still has great SoT, but just that there are issues with the Android system draining an alarming amount of battery percentage. This is not some baseless claim, there are multiple posts in the battery life thread showing the android system taking up 35%< of the battery.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3321547
In case you were wondering which thread.
Again, it's just a strange thing that can maybe be fixed by a software update.
And while we're at it, how about you show screenshots of your supposed 8 hours of SoT?
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