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iPhone Vs All Pocket Pc'S

People Say microsoft ppc'S r beta dan the iphone but all there post are trying to emulate or turn the pocket pc into a iphone even on www.i-hacked.com they show how to convert a htc mogul into a iphone intereface running on Win Ce tiz Crazi

Interface doesn't mean everything. There's no saying that the iPhone's interface isn't SWEET! But that in itself, alone, doesn't make it better than WM phones. So, porting the interface over is not a submission to the iPhone's superiority, as a phone or OS, but quite the opposite .

you people should make sth more useful than "iphone everything"...
you wanna iphone - buy iphone.. i am almost crying while watching forum novadays...(there are iphones in closet, in beer cans, everywheeeereeee...i am afraid to open cat food can...

thundershadow14 said:
Interface doesn't mean everything.
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i for one dont miss MS-DOS...

Why we are Better
The reason why we turn our WM devices into Iphones is not because we like them or because we are jelaous... we do it simply because we CAN!!!
Do you know what the iPhone can change into, absolutely nothing.... well, maybe into this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI
Our devices are far superior and that is that. As F-ed up as M$ is with their ideals and software compatibility issues, they are far from being the self centered, pompous pricks that Apple's Steve Jobs is... I mean, think about it, Mr. Jobs said in an interview that he did not allow java support in his i-phone simply because he considered java to be like a "virus". ???? WTF????
All in all, just remember this:
"You can turn a WM device into an iPhone, but you cannot turn an iPhone into a WM device?

oh I Get it
I get So the iphone threads are just to show how superior win ce is over iphones mac osx and that it can run like and iphone and surpass it and iphone cant even run petty java apps haha good anychance diz running iphone programs" on hp ipaq 514

fallenczar said:
i for one dont miss MS-DOS...
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You might not, but that's ALSO due to the fact that Windows allows you to achieve more. If windows XP/Vista had this same look, but all you could do is play DVD's. Which OS would you actually prefer. Still maintain, interface isn't EVERYTHING.

I think the guy is right. There are many threads about how to make ppcs look like the iphone by imitating icons, interface ... What should be done is to pick up ideas from Apple - e.g. concerning the interface - and turn them into something better, make some real "development".

nothin said:
you people should make sth more useful than "iphone everything"...
you wanna iphone - buy iphone.. i am almost crying while watching forum novadays...(there are iphones in closet, in beer cans, everywheeeereeee...i am afraid to open cat food can...
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Heh heh lets see you iphone users turn your iphone into WM6 or WM5, I dont think so!

Some of the above are true, some others are completely false!!!
Iphone has a superior OS which works PERFECTLY (wm phone program SUCKS!!!), the best screen ever made for a portable device and 1000% better handling (HTC's touchFlo is nothing compared to iphone's similar function) + some uniq features!!! Are all of them enough for a power user? I am afraid not and we all know why (if you don't, search this forum and you will find out the reason) ...

kirileman said:
Some of the above are true, some others are completely false!!!
Iphone has a superior OS which works PERFECTLY (wm phone program SUCKS!!!), the best screen ever made for a portable device and 1000% better handling (HTC's touchFlo is nothing compared to iphone's similar function) + some uniq features!!! Are all of them enough for a power user? I am afraid not and we all know why (if you don't, search this forum and you will find out the reason) ...
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@kirileman,
I will agree with you that Apple did a superb job on the HW side of the iPhone (I am particularly talking about the screen, and nothing else), and the interface is actually pretty sweet indeed (which is why there are people developing similar apps for our devices). This whole turn-our-wm-into-iPhone craze has been incredibly eye opening for a lot of people who are currently developing amazing new apps for our devices.
Like I said on my first post, we do this not because we are jelaous or because we want it, but just because we CAN!!!
BTW, check this out and have a laugh or two:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

egzthunder1 said:
@kirileman,
I will agree with you that Apple did a superb job on the HW side of the iPhone (I am particularly talking about the screen, and nothing else), and the interface is actually pretty sweet indeed (which is why there are people developing similar apps for our devices). This whole turn-our-wm-into-iPhone craze has been incredibly eye opening for a lot of people who are currently developing amazing new apps for our devices.
Like I said on my first post, we do this not because we are jelaous or because we want it, but just because we CAN!!!
BTW, check this out and have a laugh or two:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
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All symbian phones can be "turned into" iphone...
does that mean the symbian platform is as powerful as the wm platform.
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.

paranoid2007 said:
I think the guy is right. There are many threads about how to make ppcs look like the iphone by imitating icons, interface ... What should be done is to pick up ideas from Apple - e.g. concerning the interface - and turn them into something better, make some real "development".
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That's actually the point of the FreeStyle Interface. (http://www.ppcfreestyl.com or http://www.whoneedsaniphone.com) It's not to copy the iPhone interface but it draws on it's ideas to create a more finger friendly interface for a WM touchscreen device.

IPhone skins are like dragqueen those
are are fooled despite of the lack of adamsApple
deserve everything they get

fallenczar said:
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
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That's only a problem if you never actually use any of the PDA type functions. Personally, I like it and really don't see myself going back to normal phone anytime soon if I can help it.
fallenczar said:
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.
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I can say that with my Wizard I haven't had that many problems with the phone itself. I will admit that I've had it lock up a few times when trying to answer a call but not enough to be a deal breaker. As far as signal and voice quality, not at all. It varies according to the phone rom you're using but I can honestly say that there have been times that I have had reception on my phone when my wife, with a normal Motorola phone, did not (and there have been occasions the other way too, but fewer of them). I also have no problems with voice quality with my device. YMMV of course.

WM is Superior da Symbian OS
On Symbian Phone You Cant Edit a Single File on The Rom Which Is drive Z: i used to have an ngage which broke when the firmware got corrupted and drive C: got wiped out and it started with system error then it lead to the "WSOD"they famous 4

The iPhone's merit is that it has pretty good HARDWARE, quite suitable for WM environments. Trouble is, the software is a locked down pisa crap at the moment, and even when unlocked, homebrew support isn't as good as, say, a Ninty DS. Personally, I support all attempts to get WM running on a iPhone. It's made for that stuff.

fallenczar said:
All symbian phones can be "turned into" iphone...
does that mean the symbian platform is as powerful as the wm platform.
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So, essentially you are saying that I could turn a regular Nokia phone into an iphone? I'm pretty sure that people out there could develop apps to make the Symbian OS look more like an iphone. You know why that is? Bacause you CAN actually install things in your good ol' symbian phones. Thanks to Apple's "exclusivity" software rights, you cannot do squat to an iphone. So, in terms of usability, then yes, the Symbian OS is far more flexible (and hence better) than Apple's OS.
fallenczar said:
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but what you are saying here makes no sense at all. Have you heard of a little something called Smartphone?? As far as I know, the Smartphone is not a pda, but it is rather an adaptation of the WM OS into a regular phone that would otherwise use Symbian OS.
Besides, of course that M$ is "hung-up" on the pda. The OS was created specifically for that purpose. Hey, here is another thing that the iphone cannot do. Have you heard of Xanandu? (look it up in the Wallaby forums)
fallenczar said:
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.
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Well, I will admit that the pda-phones can and probably will crash a lot more often than your regular phones (even than the iphone). I will give you that one, but we all know that M$ is not exactly the most stable.... well, anything! I mean if you have a pc running Windows XP, then you know what I am talking about. But you know what? It is a trade-off, you give up some stability to be able to do more, run more memory intensive apps... hell, you can even write code and compile it in your wm device.
As far as the signal part, I have yet to see the phone that gets perfect reception everywhere. Both my mom and brother have iphones, and let me tell you that my 2 year old Blue Angel has better reception in the same place, than that of both iphones. Voice quality is about the same. My wife has a Wizard and it has much better voice quality than my in-laws' razrs.
I will still say what I have been saying since we started this argument, we do not mimic the iphone out of jelaousy or because we say it is better, we do it simply because we CAN!!!
BTW, someone mentioned the FUI interface in this thread, if you are not familiar with it, you might want to check it out. It is not a copy of the iphone, but it is something really cool as well.

Ultimate Chicken said:
The iPhone's merit is that it has pretty good HARDWARE, quite suitable for WM environments. Trouble is, the software is a locked down pisa crap at the moment, and even when unlocked, homebrew support isn't as good as, say, a Ninty DS. Personally, I support all attempts to get WM running on a iPhone. It's made for that stuff.
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couldn't agree more

XPERIA X2 - are You saw it allready? :)

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How is it looking for? I think, looks very good, but this orange keys on hardware keyboard, blee!
And specifications, but unfortunately not official. Looks really great!
According to insider:
-8.1mpx auto focus, VGA @ 30fps (MP4 HQ)
-3.5´ WVGA OLED (increased from 3.0 from X1)
-GPS, aGPS
-Accelerometer
-Faster processor
-512 RAM
-Custom Windows Mobile 6.5 (SE engineers customized Win6.5 which runs very. very speedy. in par with iphone and better in some cases)
-XPERIA Panels are modified with plenty of innovative features (PS3 remote play being one of them)
-Upgrading to Windows Mobile 7 is supported by Xperia panels
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really??????????? wtf SE no serious cpu update come on ¿¡¿¡¿¡¿
and LESSSSSS storage?????????
i believe the hardware pics but that About screencap better be a joke!!!!!
furthermore if they try n shaft USA on fps again ill be writing letters!!!
Edit: after calming down a bit, slightly more formal thoughts emerge...
closer examination of the pictures seems to also reveal what appear to me to be two spearks on the back = sweet jesus stereo sound that i can hear! without hacks/cabs/whatever .. and do i also notice a HARDWARE lock switch on the side?! near what appears to be the cam button!? i'lll be dipped n **** n rolled in breadcrumbs! i've longed for this ! i really hope we get upgraded to a magnetic stylus.. so many cool features available from that..
also someone mentioned it looking like a bunch of plastic = i can live with that.. i baby my phone as it is.. hardly a scratch on it.. and seeing how i don't drop it in toilets or on concrete... i'm fairly certain i can care for a plastic smartphone just as well.. not too mention it makes the overall unit LIGHTER! a lighter xperia is a great thing imho
but reallly? the same cpu ? we've got serious competition across the board in Q4 09 and beginning of 2010 phones coming out with 1GHz cpu's and UP! why bother with this outdated CPU that doesn't even support 30fps if using the MSM201A i mean why have an 8.1 mp cam that can't even record 30fps?
INSANITY!
they keyboard= EXACTLY WHAT THE XPERIA NEEDS! an independent key keyboard so we don't have the same keyboard issues we did with the X1.. *(my current x1 isn't even a year old. has been repaird once (jammed power button) and babied the rest of the way and my keyboard is going out.. i key x key m key v key spacebar key alll have issues.. at this rate i'm wondering why i didn't just get a touch HD?
"insider specs" = obviously not a faster cpu
same or less internal memory? that doesn't even make sense with an 8.1mp cam on board! wtf!
wm 6.5, while not a huge improvement seeing as how most of us are already running 6.5 it's still a better UI *titanium* than the standard 6.1 today screen
Accelerometer = Thank god! whippe! the fun begins!! *was very sad when i found out my x1 en route didn't have one *
larger 3.5 in screen possibly AMOLED = this is a huge selling poing... the damn lip on the x1's screen is veeeeery annoying especially since i rely so heavliy on touch now that my keyboard has started going bad...

It looks like pice of plastic. But 3.5" and Accelerometer, cool.
But I dont believe that's X2, or why SE start using that much plastic?
I just love that brushed metal of X1.

That "insider" is Ronka, he's not exactly known for his accuracy. Or sense, half the time. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

AFAIK it's the early proto,
possible processor change.

I still don't see a mouse cursor on the screen. It would be nice if that were included in the new release.

damn wrong... SE really screwed it up

Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Well Microsoft seems to be on a roll lately, with mainly everyone praising windows 7, it could translate to an awesome OS for mobile as well.
On another note, if X2 is supposed to be compatible with WM 7, therefore it would have to meet the requirements of it, like multi-touch, faster processor, and such...

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why

1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly

thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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I will pay for good quality (as I did with the X1). I won't pay for that crap though.
mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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WinMo is far better.
ratchetnclank said:
Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why
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True!
Seafal said:
1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly
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True again!
amin2001 said:
thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .
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True for the third time!
Ccccombo breaker?

What exactly makes WM better?
Performance? No
Look and feel\UI? Hell no.
Open source? No
Free? No
App store? Coming, but only for 6.5 (WTF?!) So, no.
OS updates? If your manufacturer bothers
Third party software? WM is better at software now, but Android has just started. And I believe android got more possibilities when it comes to letting third party's use every single piece of hardware in the phone.
Android got the donut update and 20 phones incoming this year so popularity will increase a lot. Androids strength is in its potential (of stuff we know are coming).
And we got the amazing integration of a tons of googles services, and lets not forget google wave that we can safely assume will be tightly integrated in android. Oh and android is the only mobile OS we've seen spotify on.
Then again, im no expert. Tell me why you guys think WM is better (besides the fanboyism I mean).
edit: oh and xda exists in order to FIX WM, but that does not make it good...

The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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... part of the price you pay for your WM phone goes to Microsoft. None of what you pay for an android phone goes to google. Is this hard to understand? We're talking about the OS here, jesus.
And you could answer yes to all the questions? Please do, and feel free to add explanations... other then "duuuuh, stupid".

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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Agreed 500%. Yes to all of them.

Ok,
App store: there are many dedicated WM app stores, so I don't really care now who owns that. Instead of one there are many to choose from. No problem here.
As for open source - just look at this forum. WM is definitely open source and is tweakable to the extreme.
Look and feel: well, a bit individual part. I REALLY like WM look and feel with plethora of available customizations around added to it's default look.
And I would say that the overall functionality is also on WM side.
Updates: Yes, we get free updates.
And in opposition to Android,
there's less things to improve or especially to ADD to the functionality of the OS,
so naturally you get more updates..
You talk about the connection to Google services: well, that's a bummer since I rather like to have easy connection to any services I like.
If you want to rely completely on ONE provider - your choice, I'd never do that...
And performance: well, where did you find your info?
IMO WM performance is generally great, with glitches as ANY other platform.
Plus: the amount of functional and diverse software is unbeatable on WM.
Android is young and it's one of the drawbacks too.

is it just me or Windows 7 looks ugly

I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?

mmmalas said:
I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?
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Couple of things:
• Still a prototype (room for lots of change)
• supposed to be really fast
• better integration
• more finger friendly
• however agreed, at this stage, it's quite plain but very
Some more info. <<HERE>>.

i dont like it at all
i think MS is thinking way too much social network capabilities. something we already have currently for which i personally hardly ever use. also the layout doesnt look straight forward and looks confusing or i just didn't seem to pay attention to it. i wont upgrade if that is how it gonna look like.

Just an FYI, It's Windows Phone 7 Series (WP7S) not Windows 7.
dwizzy130

Why do people have to moan so much? No-one has even tried the f*cking OS yet and they're already moaning about it. I suppose these people are all running Windows 1.0 and driving around in Austin Ambassadors.
There's nothing wrong with Microsoft integrating social network as this is the way of things: people are finding new ways to communicate all the time and phone OS's are adapting to this; you don't HAVE to use these facilities and they won't be obtrusive if you don't. You also have the option of sticking with Windows mobile as Microsoft will continue to supply it as they supply XP to netbook manufacturers.
Stop moaning about it: would you rather Microsoft just patched up the current Windows Mobile some more so that it finally dies the death that it is currently heading towards?? The new OS means better hardware support, meaning greater performance and speed. Don't like it? Get an iPhone, Android phone or stick with Windows Mobile 6...
The great thing is that now there is so much CHOICE. There is no point whingeing because the OS doesn't conform with your exacting standards, Microsoft I'm sure have worked hard to please as many people as possible as obviously this is a solid business model to conform to. If you don't like it, don't buy it....but at least give it a chance.
I was scornful of Windows 7 until I tried it.

It's really ugly, especially the screen with square and rectangle boxes of sms/call/mail info

Really?
I think it looks really good. If it has the responsiveness of my Zune HD then I think MS may have a real winner here.

it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...

bel_z_bub said:
it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...
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The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.

lordcanti86 said:
The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.
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I hope not, I hate the double functionality it has now.. and I think it looks quit good already (wm7).. but maybe a little simple for our large screen hd2.. which I also find quit useless at the moment.. the home screen in Sense is just a big version of a small resolution screen phone.. why not use that space..? in this case finger friendly is just a poor excuse for hasty release in my opinion.. luckely we have developers here who finish htc's job (co0kie's home tabs is a good example, it makes your phone feel like what htc promises in their commercials but doesn't deliver)
let's face it, the default windows mobile 6.5 home screen (the scrolling finger friendly one, don't know the name) is not bad at all.. it just looks ugly on our big screen..

not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!

c4Lvin said:
not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!
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The point is that you haven't tried it yet. Do you criticise movies based on their trailers?
It's impossible to know for sure whether you're going to like an OS just by basing your opinion on a few pictures and videos. Besides which who really thinks the stock Windows Mobile 6 is a gorgeous user-friendly masterpiece; it's only with the addition of Sense that the experience is improved to the point of desirability. Microsoft haven't holistically written off Windows Mobile 6 so fans can still stick with it for the foreseeable life of their devices and expect updates to Sense, SPB Mobile Shell and Opera.
The point is that now there is greater choice, which can only be a good thing. I'm not a developer and I have no affiliations which might bias my opinion here, but I have made the mistake of writing off things before ive tried them in the past and just think people shouldn't be so keen to spit their dummies out when things don't look exactly how they'd expect them to. Given the limited knowledge we have of WP7's hands-on experience I think this poll might be a little premature.

Well, we haven't really seen much
In fact we have not seen much more than a proof of concept. (Although I'm quite sure it is more than that). I, for one, will hold off judgment until I learn more about the functionality and possibilities for customizations. As shown it does not meet my personal needs for my "Home Screen". IF, as I have read, MS is locking down the UI then the rest better be pretty damn fantastic for me to put up with the UI I saw. But if we can change it around to fit our needs then I will consider it.
As for now, although speculation is fun, I feel it's just too early to make any determination based on the little we know. Next month will give us more info. After that it will be a case of "wait and see" what the devs come up with once they get their hands on the OS etc. I keep thinking about that old adage "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

I wouldn't put too much criticism on the layout as I do about the functionality. People needs to realize that the layout is not set in stones and i'd be hard pressed if MS would keep the blue block as their UI. As long as it is fast, smooth, and finger-friendly, skinning it would be a piece of cake. Give it some time until close to release time and we'll see a more polish product that will appeal to everybody.

i completely agree..
how come people always criticizing something that has not been even tested in real life?
it's always "oooh it's ugly and i still like the current one or the older one", but yet after a while, we then accept the fact that it is actually better and fit our needs.
i guess thats why there are old people that will very likely to use an old typewriter Compare with the more civilized older ones who get the use and capabilities of computers. So much critics that now, they dont even know how to use it.

Stop Moaning guys,
i say this is the best WM OS those lazy bustard have come out with and compete against the fruit factory.
i like it.... thought it looks awful now, but we have gfreek and other xda superheroes to tweak and style and custom and theme and overclock and whatever you can think of...
cant wait for and unofficial release....
from Singapore
by the way, Singapore just open its first casino...

as stated earlier, if the "book cover" looks better , you got my vote. other than that, NOTHING else so far about wp7s lures me into upgrading for what i have now. i am talking about what we've been shown. even though i use it now based on your judgement, i wont enjoy it cos it is simply not pretty. sorry i cant do an ugly person even if she functions well.

I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.

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I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.
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Just wait until we get a ROM dump from the HTC HD Mini. That is running an unseen build of 6.5.X that got rid of the start menu icon on the taskbars and has symmetrical softkeys.
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it actually does look quite hideous, why would anyone want to show off that, or "leak" it,
i mean what the heck?? MAKE A GOD DAMN TOUCH INNOVATED INTERFACE YOU BUNCH OF DIM WITS

Going back to an iPHONE, the 4 in specific.

So i'm actually thinking about going back to an iphone 4 because of the simplicity it provides and because of ios5 releasing. Can someone give me some good info why I should stay with an android(my samsung vibrant on simply jvs rom). Are there any future developments hopefully coming for androids that are similiar to ios5 features?

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First of all, your asking for advice to stay with the Vibrant because ios5 is better? on a Android Forum?
Imma let you in on something, ios5 IS Android. They have copied the best features of what makes Android so like-able and combined them into ios5.
And second of all, you cant expect much if your on stock roms, that's the whole idea of having an Android, the openness of it and the do whatever hardware lets you to do idea.
So there are my 2cents

How about not being tied to iTunes, how about free cloud storage, how about 80% of app's on market free, how about free wifi tethering, how about not being on Att or Verizon, how about free turn by turn navigation, how about not bring just
another mindless isheep (ihostage), how about supporting a company that has a record of philanthropy (Steve jobs has no record of any charitable donations), how about being able to choose what operating system you want to use, how about the ability video chat on 3g, how about the ability to video chat with a computer that's not a Mac or a Mac, how about the ability to use Swype, how about the ability to change keyboard without voiding your warranty.
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The iPhone is for those who just want a polished looking OS that's easy to use. What you see is what you get. It doesn't offer the flexibility that android offers. I assume that since you are on this forum, that you enjoy tinkering with your phone? If you go to an iPhone you're going to be locked down. Apple wants so much control over their stuff, it makes the hassle of tweaking them not really worth it. While I think most would agree, android is no where near as polished as iOS, but makes up for it in the fact that most android phones are far more capable then the iPhone will ever be. This is due to the control issues Apple has over its products. That's my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

what made me fall in love with iphones, was bitesms, and just the smoothness of the phone. android gets complicated, but its easy to find solutions, which starts to get annoying.... I've used miui and simply honey, and simply stock, Hopefully 4.0 is good

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How about not being tied to iTunes, how about free cloud storage, how about 80% of app's on market free, how about free wifi tethering, how about not being on Att or Verizon, how about free turn by turn navigation, how about not bring just
another mindless isheep (ihostage), how about supporting a company that has a record of philanthropy (Steve jobs has no record of any charitable donations), how about being able to choose what operating system you want to use, how about the ability video chat on 3g, how about the ability to video chat with a computer that's not a Mac or a Mac, how about the ability to use Swype, how about the ability to change keyboard without voiding your warranty.
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and for a simple user like me that just uses txt/calls/web/media all those options really dont matter, but facetiming is something I must try out, because my vibrant 3g dosent have that. Other then that my vibrant lags a lot.

lee714 said:
So i'm actually thinking about going back to an iphone 4 because of the simplicity it provides and because of ios5 releasing. Can someone give me some good info why I should stay with an android(my samsung vibrant on simply jvs rom). Are there any future developments hopefully coming for androids that are similiar to ios5 features?
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why iPhone 4? why not 4s? no matter what anybody wants to say here, that phone is the best in the market so far. it has it's disadvantages though, such as a small screen. I would wait for the nexus prime if you're thinking of getting a new phone.

That's ok! The iphone is for those that want to be just like everyone else, boring. Android offers you a world of opportunity to be different. But if you must leave farewell!
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any news on the newest android release?

lee714 said:
So i'm actually thinking about going back to an iphone 4 because of the simplicity it provides and because of ios5 releasing. Can someone give me some good info why I should stay with an android(my samsung vibrant on simply jvs rom). Are there any future developments hopefully coming for androids that are similiar to ios5 features?
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There is only 1 reason :
You're a Girl or You're a Gay !!!!

well, android can do things ios will never be able to do, among many other reasons. you don't like something about android? change it. i've been very happy with my vibrant on cm7 oc'd to 1.3 or 1.4 depending on the kernel i'm running at the time (currently glitch, previously stock and bali). enough so that i'll be waiting for the nexus prime (or longer).
and i was going to say 'the community can be awesome and supportive'... but people are obviously thoroughly attempting to disprove that in this thread...

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That's ok! The iphone is for those that want to be just like everyone else, boring. Android offers you a world of opportunity to be different. But if you must leave farewell!
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dude android users outweigh iphone users so I think we're more the conformists rather than the other way around. i love my vibrant and what I can do with it but not every one loves to tinker with their phones like we do. none of us would be caught dead using stock software out the box, unfortunately 95% of vibrant users are probably in that position. so compare that to iphone. android is open source so the quality is not consistent on all phones. thats the pro and the con of the system. i'm not going back to ios but please dont be as dogmatic as ios users who seem to think everything apple ****s out is pure gold.

this thread is just flame bait.
If you want to go to iOS, go ahead. I like iOS too, i own a iPod.
If you want to stay with Android, go ahead. I have 2 android phones.

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this thread is just flame bait.
If you want to go to iOS, go ahead. I like iOS too, i own a iPod.
If you want to stay with Android, go ahead. I have 2 android phones.
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couldnt have said it better my self! +100 very much so flame bait!

What grinds my gears is he acts like we really care.. He could go ahead and do whatever he wants, he definetly doesnt need our permission.....

Lmao! What a tool!
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just wanted suggestions, and it sounds like we have a lot of iphone haters here, but what can I expect? I'm on a android phone forum. I just wanted to see if anyone else was in the same position, and like I asked, when will android 4.0 be out and are there any features leeked yet?

Honestly, you just seem like an average phone user. When I say that, I mean that you're not very interested in experimenting or messing around with your phone and will only use it for simple stuff such as calling, texting, web browsing, and occasional games. iPhones are extremely user friendly so yeah, I think it'll fit you better

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Honestly, you just seem like an average phone user. When I say that, I mean that you're not very interested in experimenting or messing around with your phone and will only use it for simple stuff such as calling, texting, web browsing, and occasional games. iPhones are extremely user friendly so yeah, I think it'll fit you better
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thanks for a reasonable reply, ahha yeahh I notice i only text, use the phone, web browse sometimes, videos, and games. Since I'm not running a data plan. But even with a data plan, I'll be using it for finding restraunts, and just as a gps, and iphones can do that. iphones are simply easy to use, eye candy, fast, and are SIMPLEEEEEE

Is google starting to worry about WP8?

Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?

As far as I know, all WP apps use some sort of built-in browser to get to youtube. the Youtube app by itself is just a shortcut to m.youtube.com in IE.
And yes, google is scared and is doing every dirty trick at their disposal to hinder WP. The dead silence from MS is more threatening...however. I suppose MS will strike back soon.

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Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?
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I dont think so. But as far as I know google didnt develop any apps for wp8, youtube and google search... I think they were developed by ms, then when you use youtube, actually it opens IE and navigates to m.youtube.com. Anyway, WP8 really threatens IOS , http://360dmobile.com/winphone-8-already-threatening-iphone-in-southern-europe/

Google has said that they have no interest in developing for Windows 8 period...(including WP8)...I have an Android phone on standby, but I think Microsoft should charge Google more for the patents that they use, or not grant any more.
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Ios was never a worthy threat to droid but wp8 seems to be worrying Google a lot.
I've read that the whole YouTube fiasco is due to some changes in platform code that Google incorporated without any early notice ! Now devs might have to push out updates to their apps to get back streaming online
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Pfff windows phone? A threat to Google? Keep dreaming...as of now Microsoft is even making more Money out of android not talk about not having faith in it's own platform
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I don't think Google are worried, They are just having a hissy fit at having to pay out for patents from MS and being an ass in the process, When you consider the percentage of Marketshare Android has at this moment they are laughing,
Microsoft are making money whatever way it goes that is maybe why they don't seem that worried about the OS.

Googles YouTube APIs never did allow for access to actual video data aside from the low-res 240p stream. At least the official APIs don't. That's why Apps like MetroTube are using other ways to gain access to that data. But so do sites like youtube2mp3 which allow people to e.g. download music from YouTube videos. Google is actually under pressure to stop that way of "music file sharing" and thats why there a) is no official API for it and b) they change it from time to time to break those sites.
In the end this is more likely directed against those websites than it is against WP8.
Google is worried about Microsoft but in that case I believe more about Windows 8 than WP8. There are already a lot more Windows 8 devices out there than there are Windows Phones. That's most likely why they are cutting EAS support from GMail. But in this case I actually don't believe it was about WP8.

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Googles YouTube APIs never did allow for access to actual video data aside from the low-res 240p stream. At least the official APIs don't. That's why Apps like MetroTube are using other ways to gain access to that data. But so do sites like youtube2mp3 which allow people to e.g. download music from YouTube videos. Google is actually under pressure to stop that way of "music file sharing" and thats why there a) is no official API for it and b) they change it from time to time to break those sites.
In the end this is more likely directed against those websites than it is against WP8.
Google is worried about Microsoft but in that case I believe more about Windows 8 than WP8. There are already a lot more Windows 8 devices out there than there are Windows Phones. That's most likely why they are cutting EAS support from GMail. But in this case I actually don't believe it was about WP8.
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Ehm..the first part of your comment made sense but regarding the fact that google is worried...i doubt, that a growing number of Windows 8 devices may bea a threat for them...on the other Side IF WP and W8 devices would gain market share, well then Google would develop apps for the platform...

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Ehm..the first part of your comment made sense but regarding the fact that google is worried...i doubt, that a growing number of Windows 8 devices may bea a threat for them...on the other Side IF WP and W8 devices would gain market share, well then Google would develop apps for the platform...
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They can prevent the growing of the platform by NOT developing apps for said platform.

Why should they develop and spend tons of money For something that has a slow growing curve as WP
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It is not much of an effort really. And it pays off over time. It is not as if microsoft won't pay em.

Google isn't worried about Microsoft. The more OSs Microsoft sells that means more people can go to Google.com and use Google services and click those advertisements.
When WP and W8 gain market share you better believe there will be Google apps.
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If random people can make apps for Windows Phone that's far superior and functional than half assed efforts from Google, you know that Google's just being a **** to Microsoft. Google could just make these apps and push their own ads on the bloody apps and get all the ROI they need.

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Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?
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When you have moments of extreme paranoia and start getting a little panicky, just stop. Concentrate on your breathing and think of relaxing things, happy memories perhaps. If these fail, try mid level mental arithmetic.. for example, think to yourself 13 x 4, then work it out, then another.. etc..

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You made my day
When you have moments of extreme paranoia and start getting a little panicky, just stop. Concentrate on your breathing and think of relaxing things, happy memories perhaps. If these fail, try mid level mental arithmetic.. for example, think to yourself 13 x 4, then work it out, then another.. etc..
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Hey, looks like you worked alot around this technique on yourself.....anyway, sorry to disappoint you but i don't need it.

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Hey, looks like you worked alot around this technique on yourself.....anyway, sorry to disappoint you but i don't need it.
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Sorry to disappoint you but it's just a personal tip for you from online wiki. Not my own experience. Because until now Google did not steal anything from my closet (unlike your one).

AndrewSh said:
Sorry to disappoint you but it's just a personal tip for you from online wiki. Not my own experience. Because until now Google did not steal anything from my closet (unlike your one).
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:laugh: looks like you learned wiki's tips by heart....hahahah.....i made a quick search for you mate, next time you might find something useful even here

Screw Google; Windows Phone is comming up slowly but surely. Remember how no one knew who Google was and when Apple first came out? And Windows Mobile ruled? The same thing will happen with WP8, it will take over.

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Screw Google; Windows Phone is comming up slowly but surely. Remember how no one knew who Google was and when Apple first came out? And Windows Mobile ruled? The same thing will happen with WP8, it will take over.
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Lol the same thing was said about windows phone 7 in 2010 - Deja vu.