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iPhone Vs All Pocket Pc'S

People Say microsoft ppc'S r beta dan the iphone but all there post are trying to emulate or turn the pocket pc into a iphone even on www.i-hacked.com they show how to convert a htc mogul into a iphone intereface running on Win Ce tiz Crazi

Interface doesn't mean everything. There's no saying that the iPhone's interface isn't SWEET! But that in itself, alone, doesn't make it better than WM phones. So, porting the interface over is not a submission to the iPhone's superiority, as a phone or OS, but quite the opposite .

you people should make sth more useful than "iphone everything"...
you wanna iphone - buy iphone.. i am almost crying while watching forum novadays...(there are iphones in closet, in beer cans, everywheeeereeee...i am afraid to open cat food can...

thundershadow14 said:
Interface doesn't mean everything.
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i for one dont miss MS-DOS...

Why we are Better
The reason why we turn our WM devices into Iphones is not because we like them or because we are jelaous... we do it simply because we CAN!!!
Do you know what the iPhone can change into, absolutely nothing.... well, maybe into this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI
Our devices are far superior and that is that. As F-ed up as M$ is with their ideals and software compatibility issues, they are far from being the self centered, pompous pricks that Apple's Steve Jobs is... I mean, think about it, Mr. Jobs said in an interview that he did not allow java support in his i-phone simply because he considered java to be like a "virus". ???? WTF????
All in all, just remember this:
"You can turn a WM device into an iPhone, but you cannot turn an iPhone into a WM device?

oh I Get it
I get So the iphone threads are just to show how superior win ce is over iphones mac osx and that it can run like and iphone and surpass it and iphone cant even run petty java apps haha good anychance diz running iphone programs" on hp ipaq 514

fallenczar said:
i for one dont miss MS-DOS...
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You might not, but that's ALSO due to the fact that Windows allows you to achieve more. If windows XP/Vista had this same look, but all you could do is play DVD's. Which OS would you actually prefer. Still maintain, interface isn't EVERYTHING.

I think the guy is right. There are many threads about how to make ppcs look like the iphone by imitating icons, interface ... What should be done is to pick up ideas from Apple - e.g. concerning the interface - and turn them into something better, make some real "development".

nothin said:
you people should make sth more useful than "iphone everything"...
you wanna iphone - buy iphone.. i am almost crying while watching forum novadays...(there are iphones in closet, in beer cans, everywheeeereeee...i am afraid to open cat food can...
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Heh heh lets see you iphone users turn your iphone into WM6 or WM5, I dont think so!

Some of the above are true, some others are completely false!!!
Iphone has a superior OS which works PERFECTLY (wm phone program SUCKS!!!), the best screen ever made for a portable device and 1000% better handling (HTC's touchFlo is nothing compared to iphone's similar function) + some uniq features!!! Are all of them enough for a power user? I am afraid not and we all know why (if you don't, search this forum and you will find out the reason) ...

kirileman said:
Some of the above are true, some others are completely false!!!
Iphone has a superior OS which works PERFECTLY (wm phone program SUCKS!!!), the best screen ever made for a portable device and 1000% better handling (HTC's touchFlo is nothing compared to iphone's similar function) + some uniq features!!! Are all of them enough for a power user? I am afraid not and we all know why (if you don't, search this forum and you will find out the reason) ...
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@kirileman,
I will agree with you that Apple did a superb job on the HW side of the iPhone (I am particularly talking about the screen, and nothing else), and the interface is actually pretty sweet indeed (which is why there are people developing similar apps for our devices). This whole turn-our-wm-into-iPhone craze has been incredibly eye opening for a lot of people who are currently developing amazing new apps for our devices.
Like I said on my first post, we do this not because we are jelaous or because we want it, but just because we CAN!!!
BTW, check this out and have a laugh or two:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

egzthunder1 said:
@kirileman,
I will agree with you that Apple did a superb job on the HW side of the iPhone (I am particularly talking about the screen, and nothing else), and the interface is actually pretty sweet indeed (which is why there are people developing similar apps for our devices). This whole turn-our-wm-into-iPhone craze has been incredibly eye opening for a lot of people who are currently developing amazing new apps for our devices.
Like I said on my first post, we do this not because we are jelaous or because we want it, but just because we CAN!!!
BTW, check this out and have a laugh or two:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
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All symbian phones can be "turned into" iphone...
does that mean the symbian platform is as powerful as the wm platform.
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.

paranoid2007 said:
I think the guy is right. There are many threads about how to make ppcs look like the iphone by imitating icons, interface ... What should be done is to pick up ideas from Apple - e.g. concerning the interface - and turn them into something better, make some real "development".
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That's actually the point of the FreeStyle Interface. (http://www.ppcfreestyl.com or http://www.whoneedsaniphone.com) It's not to copy the iPhone interface but it draws on it's ideas to create a more finger friendly interface for a WM touchscreen device.

IPhone skins are like dragqueen those
are are fooled despite of the lack of adamsApple
deserve everything they get

fallenczar said:
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
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That's only a problem if you never actually use any of the PDA type functions. Personally, I like it and really don't see myself going back to normal phone anytime soon if I can help it.
fallenczar said:
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.
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I can say that with my Wizard I haven't had that many problems with the phone itself. I will admit that I've had it lock up a few times when trying to answer a call but not enough to be a deal breaker. As far as signal and voice quality, not at all. It varies according to the phone rom you're using but I can honestly say that there have been times that I have had reception on my phone when my wife, with a normal Motorola phone, did not (and there have been occasions the other way too, but fewer of them). I also have no problems with voice quality with my device. YMMV of course.

WM is Superior da Symbian OS
On Symbian Phone You Cant Edit a Single File on The Rom Which Is drive Z: i used to have an ngage which broke when the firmware got corrupted and drive C: got wiped out and it started with system error then it lead to the "WSOD"they famous 4

The iPhone's merit is that it has pretty good HARDWARE, quite suitable for WM environments. Trouble is, the software is a locked down pisa crap at the moment, and even when unlocked, homebrew support isn't as good as, say, a Ninty DS. Personally, I support all attempts to get WM running on a iPhone. It's made for that stuff.

fallenczar said:
All symbian phones can be "turned into" iphone...
does that mean the symbian platform is as powerful as the wm platform.
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So, essentially you are saying that I could turn a regular Nokia phone into an iphone? I'm pretty sure that people out there could develop apps to make the Symbian OS look more like an iphone. You know why that is? Bacause you CAN actually install things in your good ol' symbian phones. Thanks to Apple's "exclusivity" software rights, you cannot do squat to an iphone. So, in terms of usability, then yes, the Symbian OS is far more flexible (and hence better) than Apple's OS.
fallenczar said:
BUT...and this is a big BUT...i think that wm platform is still hung-up on the pda...and that is where iphone beats the crap out of all HTC made phones.
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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but what you are saying here makes no sense at all. Have you heard of a little something called Smartphone?? As far as I know, the Smartphone is not a pda, but it is rather an adaptation of the WM OS into a regular phone that would otherwise use Symbian OS.
Besides, of course that M$ is "hung-up" on the pda. The OS was created specifically for that purpose. Hey, here is another thing that the iphone cannot do. Have you heard of Xanandu? (look it up in the Wallaby forums)
fallenczar said:
my problem with all pocectpc phones is that they are crappy phones...
they loose signal, have really bad voice quality,crash at the most inapropriate times..just for the background..i had a s60 phone before my latest htc crap..i never had a single crash on it...and i had it for almost 2 years.
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Well, I will admit that the pda-phones can and probably will crash a lot more often than your regular phones (even than the iphone). I will give you that one, but we all know that M$ is not exactly the most stable.... well, anything! I mean if you have a pc running Windows XP, then you know what I am talking about. But you know what? It is a trade-off, you give up some stability to be able to do more, run more memory intensive apps... hell, you can even write code and compile it in your wm device.
As far as the signal part, I have yet to see the phone that gets perfect reception everywhere. Both my mom and brother have iphones, and let me tell you that my 2 year old Blue Angel has better reception in the same place, than that of both iphones. Voice quality is about the same. My wife has a Wizard and it has much better voice quality than my in-laws' razrs.
I will still say what I have been saying since we started this argument, we do not mimic the iphone out of jelaousy or because we say it is better, we do it simply because we CAN!!!
BTW, someone mentioned the FUI interface in this thread, if you are not familiar with it, you might want to check it out. It is not a copy of the iphone, but it is something really cool as well.

Ultimate Chicken said:
The iPhone's merit is that it has pretty good HARDWARE, quite suitable for WM environments. Trouble is, the software is a locked down pisa crap at the moment, and even when unlocked, homebrew support isn't as good as, say, a Ninty DS. Personally, I support all attempts to get WM running on a iPhone. It's made for that stuff.
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couldn't agree more

IPhone fun apps .. Why its not on Diamond ?

Hello..
While im in Youtube i see the videos of the IPhone apps .. and i c how fun it is by just taping the screen ..
and here's what i thought .. IPhone apps is really simple its just the idea .. which makes me wonder why its not on the "Diamond" .. it cant be done ??
Here's some examples :
iAno
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video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwlwKttYI8&feature=related
this app contain graphic photo of a piano buttons when u press it, it plays a tone .. is it hard to do it?!
you will tell me the diamond is not a multitouch screen.. its ok we dont want to play two tones at once .. we will tap every single button and play its tone..
just for fun it doesnt have to be the same as the diamond .. we only put what the Diamond can play or run ..
iGuitar
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=w40P3q3PIu8
iGuitar is a simple app as same as iAno .. just tap on the string and play .. we dont want to hold a string and play a different tone in the same string like a real guitar .. its enough i think with 6 strings and play with them .. for fun and shows ..
iDrummer
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=coiaPu371AA&feature=related
dont have to say much about it .. its the same .. only its very simple .. touch and play .. no need to multitouch..
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and so on with many apps with the same subject .. please comment and tell me your opinions about what i wrote .. and explain to us whats can be done .. and what cant be done .. and why ..
waiting for this thread to explain everything...

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.

htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.
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i would do it if i know how to do it.. i post this thread to get more info about what does the creative ppl think of it .. i just wanna know how do they think and creat and all of these things .. and i wanna know what is the nature of this work .. it comes step by step doesnt it ? so im a student here asking teachers..
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere
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do u mean for diamond ?? cuz i didnt c any !
and thX for the answer but i dont c this as a reason to not devlope any good apps for the diamond.. waiting to know what others think

You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!

conmeo said:
htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different
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hello conmeo thx for answer,,
your answer is same as Addicteddddd i really dont understant in commerce and business but does normal developers have to stop making these apps too ?? if someone knows how to develope can he develope as himself ?? i can answer yes for this cuz we are in the biggest developers forum site .. so these apps r really hard to be done ? or what can we know about it ...

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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here here.
i second that.
but .... they do look nice.
i bought a touch pro, after having an spv m500, spv M700.
and after al this years the apps stil look the same (graphics)
but you don`t here me crying over it.
if you want iphone apps, get an iphone.
so please stop crying over the iphone apps.
no i do not hate an iphone, but i didn`t get the fuzz and the hype that followed over it.
and i certanly didn`t like the hype creating policy they applied.
meaning, the store`s had plenty in stock, but were only alowed to sell 3 or 5 iphones a day, for a few weeks.
in other words, creating a hype.

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??

badrey said:
i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??
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Just look at the hardware specs, of course it could be done but what we are saying is the market for such gimmicks is not wm it is apple. I got my phone for it's gps, it's vga screen it's gpu and cpu, not for a load of useless gimmick software that has no practical value. Basically anyone who wants to make such software has a much bigger commercial market with the iphone. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 adds for the diamond in magazines and that is it. The iphone is a nice object I'll admit but it is driven purely by the $ and not by a community of geeky nerds who love to tinker (myself excluded of course), software given to thousands or bought by millions. It is just fodder for the masses!
My last words on the subject, I'm sick and tired of this kind of crap thread, I recommend that no one else bother to post here, it has all been said a thousand times.

Out with the bores!
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Hear, Here......! Well said Old Chap.....
I think Badrey's inititial question was quite inocent and he was looking for a "gentle" debate - not an on-slaught..... lol
I'm a Die Hard win-mob user and will probably still be in many years to come... I still have that stock of Beta-Max video's too ready for when the market picks up... but.....
The iPhone does have some amazing "toys" in its app collection...... I want some of those too!
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I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree

doinbox said:
I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree
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i want them too

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Oh, you are reading my mind, are you? Exactly what I been thinking! How do you do it?.... Scary!

people develope to get some money
with diamond you cant get much money when you develope something.
only few develope do for fun. like some in here. but this is all.
1 develope for diamond = 1million develope for iphone.
you can see the different. money
your question is very childish

Yes but i think you'll find that most Windows mobile phones that get released from now on will have the same G-sensor + touchscrenn technology so the apps/games wont just be for the Diamond they will be for all ppc.So how many people would be buying apps/games then.
If you catch my drift.

Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.

Draiko said:
Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.
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You said it man.
The Diamond is very new compared to the fruitphone.

PPCiano
This is supposed to be our equivalent of the iPhone's iAno application:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392268
I think one of our issues is the lack of muti-touch, so such applications are impossible. (please don't tell me about a multi-touch keypad, I know - but it's not 'true' multi-touch, just divided into two separate capacitive sensing sections.)
The main issue is being stuck with Windows Mobile as an OS. The .net development platform is fine and the hardware may be great too. But as an OS, WM is sucky and doesn't allocate it's resources in the correct places.
Just look at the consistant responsiveness of the iPhone. In fact you don't need to get an iPhone to see this. The iPod touch is a fabulous piece of kit.
Personally, I think once Google's Android has proven itself and made it's way onto a few more devices than the G1 it will be another great platform for developers and users - regardless of whether those users continue to support the iPhone or not. Likewise Symbian may yet prove a worthy force in the PDA/smartphone market once it becomes touchscreen with series 60v5.
For those nay-sayers about the iPhone, I truly believe they just haven't had a real good play around with one recently. Once you have seriously tried it out, lived with one for a few hours, experience the App-Store, iTunes integration, Media Player, Huge screen, Safari Browser, Pinch to zoom, Multi-Touch, Google Maps, BBC iPlayer, etc it really does make one wonder how Windows Mob continues to sell ANY units!... Sure they have their own shortcomings but WM6.1 has many, many more.
Best regards,
Adam R. Hirshfield
T-Mobile (UK) Ltd.
Core Networks
HTC Diamond (MDAc IV) user w/Dutty's rom!

Multi touch can enable some fun features, but other than being able to turn your phone into an instrument and zooming in and out, multitouch is essentially useless.

XPERIA X2 - are You saw it allready? :)

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How is it looking for? I think, looks very good, but this orange keys on hardware keyboard, blee!
And specifications, but unfortunately not official. Looks really great!
According to insider:
-8.1mpx auto focus, VGA @ 30fps (MP4 HQ)
-3.5´ WVGA OLED (increased from 3.0 from X1)
-GPS, aGPS
-Accelerometer
-Faster processor
-512 RAM
-Custom Windows Mobile 6.5 (SE engineers customized Win6.5 which runs very. very speedy. in par with iphone and better in some cases)
-XPERIA Panels are modified with plenty of innovative features (PS3 remote play being one of them)
-Upgrading to Windows Mobile 7 is supported by Xperia panels
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really??????????? wtf SE no serious cpu update come on ¿¡¿¡¿¡¿
and LESSSSSS storage?????????
i believe the hardware pics but that About screencap better be a joke!!!!!
furthermore if they try n shaft USA on fps again ill be writing letters!!!
Edit: after calming down a bit, slightly more formal thoughts emerge...
closer examination of the pictures seems to also reveal what appear to me to be two spearks on the back = sweet jesus stereo sound that i can hear! without hacks/cabs/whatever .. and do i also notice a HARDWARE lock switch on the side?! near what appears to be the cam button!? i'lll be dipped n **** n rolled in breadcrumbs! i've longed for this ! i really hope we get upgraded to a magnetic stylus.. so many cool features available from that..
also someone mentioned it looking like a bunch of plastic = i can live with that.. i baby my phone as it is.. hardly a scratch on it.. and seeing how i don't drop it in toilets or on concrete... i'm fairly certain i can care for a plastic smartphone just as well.. not too mention it makes the overall unit LIGHTER! a lighter xperia is a great thing imho
but reallly? the same cpu ? we've got serious competition across the board in Q4 09 and beginning of 2010 phones coming out with 1GHz cpu's and UP! why bother with this outdated CPU that doesn't even support 30fps if using the MSM201A i mean why have an 8.1 mp cam that can't even record 30fps?
INSANITY!
they keyboard= EXACTLY WHAT THE XPERIA NEEDS! an independent key keyboard so we don't have the same keyboard issues we did with the X1.. *(my current x1 isn't even a year old. has been repaird once (jammed power button) and babied the rest of the way and my keyboard is going out.. i key x key m key v key spacebar key alll have issues.. at this rate i'm wondering why i didn't just get a touch HD?
"insider specs" = obviously not a faster cpu
same or less internal memory? that doesn't even make sense with an 8.1mp cam on board! wtf!
wm 6.5, while not a huge improvement seeing as how most of us are already running 6.5 it's still a better UI *titanium* than the standard 6.1 today screen
Accelerometer = Thank god! whippe! the fun begins!! *was very sad when i found out my x1 en route didn't have one *
larger 3.5 in screen possibly AMOLED = this is a huge selling poing... the damn lip on the x1's screen is veeeeery annoying especially since i rely so heavliy on touch now that my keyboard has started going bad...

It looks like pice of plastic. But 3.5" and Accelerometer, cool.
But I dont believe that's X2, or why SE start using that much plastic?
I just love that brushed metal of X1.

That "insider" is Ronka, he's not exactly known for his accuracy. Or sense, half the time. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

AFAIK it's the early proto,
possible processor change.

I still don't see a mouse cursor on the screen. It would be nice if that were included in the new release.

damn wrong... SE really screwed it up

Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Well Microsoft seems to be on a roll lately, with mainly everyone praising windows 7, it could translate to an awesome OS for mobile as well.
On another note, if X2 is supposed to be compatible with WM 7, therefore it would have to meet the requirements of it, like multi-touch, faster processor, and such...

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why

1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly

thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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I will pay for good quality (as I did with the X1). I won't pay for that crap though.
mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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WinMo is far better.
ratchetnclank said:
Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why
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True!
Seafal said:
1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly
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True again!
amin2001 said:
thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .
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True for the third time!
Ccccombo breaker?

What exactly makes WM better?
Performance? No
Look and feel\UI? Hell no.
Open source? No
Free? No
App store? Coming, but only for 6.5 (WTF?!) So, no.
OS updates? If your manufacturer bothers
Third party software? WM is better at software now, but Android has just started. And I believe android got more possibilities when it comes to letting third party's use every single piece of hardware in the phone.
Android got the donut update and 20 phones incoming this year so popularity will increase a lot. Androids strength is in its potential (of stuff we know are coming).
And we got the amazing integration of a tons of googles services, and lets not forget google wave that we can safely assume will be tightly integrated in android. Oh and android is the only mobile OS we've seen spotify on.
Then again, im no expert. Tell me why you guys think WM is better (besides the fanboyism I mean).
edit: oh and xda exists in order to FIX WM, but that does not make it good...

The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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... part of the price you pay for your WM phone goes to Microsoft. None of what you pay for an android phone goes to google. Is this hard to understand? We're talking about the OS here, jesus.
And you could answer yes to all the questions? Please do, and feel free to add explanations... other then "duuuuh, stupid".

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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Agreed 500%. Yes to all of them.

Ok,
App store: there are many dedicated WM app stores, so I don't really care now who owns that. Instead of one there are many to choose from. No problem here.
As for open source - just look at this forum. WM is definitely open source and is tweakable to the extreme.
Look and feel: well, a bit individual part. I REALLY like WM look and feel with plethora of available customizations around added to it's default look.
And I would say that the overall functionality is also on WM side.
Updates: Yes, we get free updates.
And in opposition to Android,
there's less things to improve or especially to ADD to the functionality of the OS,
so naturally you get more updates..
You talk about the connection to Google services: well, that's a bummer since I rather like to have easy connection to any services I like.
If you want to rely completely on ONE provider - your choice, I'd never do that...
And performance: well, where did you find your info?
IMO WM performance is generally great, with glitches as ANY other platform.
Plus: the amount of functional and diverse software is unbeatable on WM.
Android is young and it's one of the drawbacks too.

IPhone 0 - HTC 1!

Just had to post this somewhere (sorry!)
In all comparison reviews & tests between the Iphone and HTC - they always bring up that Apple has thousands of apps available in their store and WM doesnt. Someone should tell them that there are thousands of applications for Windows Mobile out there - and for free!!
And they are actually usefull stuff, compared to Apples costy gimmicks (which according to
studies people only use once or twice then ditch them).
Spread the word!

Then it's Apple 1 Microsoft 0 for Microsoft's failure to get all these apps into the marketplace where they can be easily accessed and impress the reviewers.
Absolutely no relevance to HTC.

Let's leave it 1-1 then and not start an Apple vs HTC/MS discussion/flamewar again.
Don't think this thread was necessary - but jannen is right when he says "spread the word". Bashing Windows Mobile for no good reason is a recent trend among bloggers that's really sad.

I've just got to say, if most of the WM apps are placed into WM MarketPlace then a large proportion of them won't be free.
Apple makes it easier for consumers by having them all in one place else no one would find anything for the iPhone. Most WM users are quite adept at hunting down useful applications so it doesn't really bother most of the users.

Can people please post links to these so called good apps? As I have searched and found little that I think is nice to look at as what free ones I have seen look like the old BBC game "Elite"
I'm not an XDa Dev boff, have no idea where to look.
Tried to search WM 6.5 apps/widgets/games, HD2 apps, games... all come up with poo apps
Links please? (if allowed, cant see why they wouldnt) and obviously not warez.

cobnut said:
Can people please post links to these so called good apps? As I have searched and found little that I think is nice to look at as what free ones I have seen look like the old BBC game "Elite"
I'm not an XDa Dev boff, have no idea where to look.
Tried to search WM 6.5 apps/widgets/games, HD2 apps, games... all come up with poo apps
Links please? (if allowed, cant see why they wouldnt) and obviously not warez.
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I used to have a BBC and played a lot of Elite. I'd LOVE it if you could get a version for windows mobile!
Edit:
DAMNIT!!! I found it on Handango, but it's no longer available
Edit:
YES!!!! http://www.eliteppc.com/

jannen said:
Just had to post this somewhere (sorry!)
In all comparison reviews & tests between the Yellow pages and my Outlook- they always bring up that yellow pages has thousands of numbers available in their book and my Outlook doesnt. Someone should tell them that there are thousands of phone numbers for people out there - and for free!!
And they are actually usefull people, compared to Outlooks boring people (which according to
studies people only call once or twice then ditch them).
Spread the word!
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Edited for accuracy. Worst pro WM argument ever!

LOL, me too.
BTW, I just spotted the themes and applications section tit

Sorry
Didnt want to start a war here. Iphone has its merits as does Nokia as does many other phones. We all have a phone we love, mine is WM.
Just dont think its fair Windows Mobile gets bad rep for not having apps available, which is not true. There are many out there and most are free. If they were put to a marketplace... well, obviosly they wouldnt be free...
Sorry if I upset any... (think you guys are still cool! this is still the best forum)

jannen said:
Didnt want to start a war here. Iphone has its merits as does Nokia as does many other phones. We all have a phone we love, mine is WM.
Just dont think its fair Windows Mobile gets bad rep for not having apps available, which is not true. There are many out there and most are free. If they were put to a marketplace... well, obviosly they wouldnt be free...
Sorry if I upset any... (think you guys are still cool! this is still the best forum)
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If that was because of my post, I apologise. It's not always easy to tell when someone is just pulling someones leg on forums I agree M$ must improve its marketplace and correlate all worthy apps in one place, or it will not stand a chance in the coming months.

OP has a point, this is my first windows phone and the marketplace is (currently) crap!
Any links like this one:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
where I can get some decent win mo software would be nice

what bugs me is that most of the apps (especially games) i found are for qvga devices, so look TERRIBLE on my lovely HD2 screen
thats the advantge of the iphone, like consoles, developers know Exactly what hardware they have to work with.

docchris1980 said:
thats the advantge of the iphone, like consoles, developers know Exactly what hardware they have to work with.
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The iPhone still has a ****ty HVGA screen. That needs to change soon, otherwise competitors will extend the lead even more in terms of hardware. The screen of the HD2, for example, already is a huge advantage, it makes everything from web browsing to reading mail, books etc. a lot more pleasant.
What happens then? Games developed for the 2G/3G/3GS iPhone may not work anymore, developers will have to develop for different hardware just like they have to do on Windows Mobile.
And by the way, there are lots of games for WVGA available. Really lots of them, and good ones.

The debate around AppStore v Marketplace is entirely spurious and makes about as much sense as saying my six month old child can't walk or talk as well as my neighbour's three year old.
There are a host of excellent, mature applications available for the PPC platform that are entirely independent of Marketplace (and I hope they remain so). A significant percentage of the best PPC apps were also around long before the iPhone was even a bulge in Steve Job's trousers.
In those terms the iPhone is still miles behind, although I admit that if you are looking for a fluffy little puffball of pointless visual nonsense with which to amuse the hard of thinking, the iPhone has to be the platform of choice.
While I admire the OP's intentions in trying to balance out the pointlessly negative threads posted by those with a suspiciously pro-iPhone agenda, I suspect we are all just going over the same old ground and should simply agree to disagree before it all decends into another flame war.
I'd therefore propose that we close this thread and get on with some of the business that concerns the device that brought us all here in the first place, rather than fretting about how it stacks up against other devices.

Gustopher said:
if you are looking for a fluffy little puffball of pointless visual nonsense with which to amuse the hard of thinking, the iPhone has to be the platform of choice.
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sorry but I cant help my response to that...
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maati said:
The iPhone still has a ****ty HVGA screen. That needs to change soon, otherwise competitors will extend the lead even more in terms of hardware. The screen of the HD2, for example, already is a huge advantage, it makes everything from web browsing to reading mail, books etc. a lot more pleasant.
What happens then? Games developed for the 2G/3G/3GS iPhone may not work anymore, developers will have to develop for different hardware just like they have to do on Windows Mobile.
And by the way, there are lots of games for WVGA available. Really lots of them, and good ones.
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Forget the screen just plug the fluffy puffball into the telly

custardo01 said:
Forget the screen just plug the fluffy puffball into the telly
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Sorry, but buying an iPhone for playing games on the TV is stupid. There are PCs and consoles for that which are much more fun.
For gaming on the go, the HD2 is at least as good, if not better. I really enjoy playing all my SNES games on the HD2, those alone are already more than the total amount of games you find in the iPhone AppStore
Soon there's a new version of FPSCE and we can play our PSX games on the HD2, all of them being better than anything you can find in the AppStore.
Just look at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JoNUFHbJY
There's absolutely NOTHING in the AppStore that can compete with that.
And there are also lots of good standalone games for the HD2, like NFS undercover, Asphalt 4, POP, ..............

maati said:
Sorry, but buying an iPhone for playing games on the TV is stupid. There are PCs and consoles for that which are much more fun.
For gaming on the go, the HD2 is at least as good, if not better. I really enjoy playing all my SNES games on the HD2, those alone are already more than the total amount of games you find in the iPhone AppStore
Soon there's a new version of FPSCE and we can play our PSX games on the HD2, all of them being better than anything you can find in the AppStore.
Just look at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JoNUFHbJY
There's absolutely NOTHING in the AppStore that can compete with that.
And there are also lots of good standalone games for the HD2, like NFS undercover, Asphalt 4, POP, ..............
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I know what you mean and I am far too old for playing these sort of games but it is nice to have a working option. Spent thousands of pounds on HTC devices and they all have the registry entry but no function - very frustrating. You could always do some serious browsing or emailing or anything. Just an option.

TP2 has TV out if you want that. I don't get why someone would want to connect the phone to a TV for browsing or playing games... TV out for presentations: Yes, but for games?! Doesn't make sense, there's much better devices than phones for this.
Anyway, the HD2 is really the best phone for gaming.

Gustopher said:
The debate around AppStore v Marketplace is entirely...
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Hear...hear!
The truth is that all this hype abot the iPhone having more apps than windows mobile is as specious as it is purely PROPAGANDA! I know at least 4 people who get paid specifically to start a "blogging" campaign for or against whatever you want. This WinMo bashing campaign does look suspicious!
Just because the iPhone has a centeralized "marketplace" for alllll their fart apps doesn't mean that their measely 25,000 apps collection meets or exceeds what's available for CE. I personally have 2.8 Gigabytes of apps just for winmo 5+ (after cleaning and deleting old versions etc...).
In reality, it is just impossible to account for the windows mobile application base; software developers have been enriching windows mobile for more than 10 years, and they market their software independantly.
Personally, I bought, used, and gifted away my iPhone in a month! Yes, smooth animation, slick UI, a thin base of useful apps ( the rest are over-polished iFarts really), but no utility beyond that of an iPod whatsoever. The damn thing couldn't even handle basic "Cut-n-Paste" until it was later introduced as an "advanced update", let alone lack of multitasking, customizability, and its uselessness as a business phone -author & edit documents, spreadsheets, presentation, fax, OCR, exchange mail, etc... forget it! You want advanced functionality, enterprise mobility, a business solution? There really is only one way ----> The WinMo way.
For all its hype, the iPhone is a "chick-flick"; a fluffy darling you take to the manicure parlor! Its made for simplicity not multitasking, streamlined experience, not customizability; BASIC simple-minded FUNCTIONALITY!
And if you're here to start a flame-war, so be it; this is, and has been, an HTC/WinMo forum from day 1... You've brought your iPhone to the wrong shop honey!

TP2 user considering G2

Ok so I’m a Touch Pro 2 (Tilt2) owner and long time WinMo user considering a switch to the G2 and Android. Is the G2 a worthy successor to my venerable TP2?
About me:
1. I’m an admitted Rom addict and occasional cook
2. I’m not an “App for that” type of guy
3. I’m primarily a business user and mainly use my phone for exchange mail, tomtom, bing, MP3 and Freda ebooks reading.
What I like about WinMo:
1. Flexibility
2. Customizable, I have 4 WinMo phones in my house all with different UI’s.
3. Good core capability
4. Conversational exchange mail, separate inboxes for pop mail accounts.
5. HTC Sense
What I don’t like about WinMo:
1. Poor performance, slow
2. Recent builds are more attractive but largely unreliable. The ROM makes all the difference, stock ROMs are generally crap while cooked roms generally look great but don’t overcome the core issues with the OS.
What interest me in the G2:
1. It felt great in my hand, solid generally well built, hard to believe its heavier than the TP2.
2. Screen looked fantastic
3. Very snappy performance for the short time I used it.
What concerns me about the G2:
1. The keyboard hinge. What were they thinking?
2. The keyboard itself. It seems a step down from my tp2.
3. Will the device be fast and stable over the long run? Judging from the post on XDA it’s hit or miss whether you get a good one or not.
4. It hasn’t been rooted yet (remember I’m a ROM flashing addict). I don’t really like the android version of sense but I’d like the option of choosing 
5. Is android really any different from WinMo? My experiences have been hit or miss, mostly miss.
6. Is android going down the same road as WinMo where the user experience will be dictated by the OEM or their choice of cooked ROM?
I’ve had a good time with WinMo since I first laid hands on my Blue Angel but is it time to try something new? If so should that be the G2?
Anyone who has made this switch or something similar or if you just have some constructive advice I’d certainly appreciate it.

My last phone was the HD2 and I loved the easy customization that came with the cooked roms, but my G2 is a BEAST!
I haven't had any of the problems that many people have with it, so I guess I got lucky. Android takes some getting used to coming from WinMo, but it was worth the switch to me.
My best advice to you is, take it for the 14 day test drive(30 in cali) and see if its for you. If not, return it and wait for the HD7 that is coming out in a few weeks.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

I'm a TP2 user and an admitted Redmond fanboy. However, all good things must come to an end. I'm getting the G2 as well. But I don't really have the same amount of apprehension as you do, minus the rooting issue. As it stands right now, the Android platform, and the G2 in particular, combines most everything we loved about WimMo and our beloved Rhodiums, but without most of the drawbacks.
I'm making the switch because for several reasons, but reason #1 is that I don't think we'll find a more complete device for guys like us. Perhaps they're phones with better specs, but not more complete. I'm not too sure about how the exchange capabilities of Android stack up against WinMo's, but everything else that you mentioned, Android and the G2 does or is capable of. It's customizable, it has the core apps you need, and to be fairly young, its a mature platform. Updates come fast enough, but who really needs those when we have XDA?
Much as I love the TP2, much of the appreciation is owed to HTC for the sweet keyboard and Sense. I can't think of a single WimMo I would have ever bought that wasn't an HTC. I'll probably have the TP2 for another decade However, all things considered, you have to admit that the G2 is better in almost every aspect. S-LCD vs. LCD, trackpad vs. none, much MUCH better processor, more storage, better camera, HSPA+, sturdier build and it just looks friggin sweet. Now as far as the TP2 keyboard, well, its the best ever and that's just that, but the G2's is easily the next best thing. I MUST have a hardware keyboard and I've given just about all of them a test drive. The Galaxy's and the Droid's aren't even the same league. None really comes close to the G2's. And with a much missed trackpad and a more responsive screen, the overall package IMO is actually better than the TP2's. I played with one for like 30 mins in the Tmo store and I was banging away messages almost as fast as I would on my TP2, and I've had over a year's practice on the TP2. Remember, the G2 is still an HTC. The phone is pretty awesome.
Now the hinge issue, I'm not sure what to make out of it. I don't think it's as big of an issue as people were making it out to be, kinda like Antennagate on a smaller scale. The model I played with didn't have the issue. It was really crisp but I wonder if it can take the same type of abuse my TP2 did.
One of the reasons we loved ROM's so much is really because we had to flash in order to get optimal performance. The G2 doesn't have that hickup. It's amazingly fast. Most everything works as described from my brief experiences and from everything I've read. Especially the core functions. We can't say that about WimMo out of the box. I can't speak for the long term usability or stability of Android, but I refuse to believe that even without any sort of hacking that its worse than WimMo. I love WimMo for the same reasons you do, but goodness they frustrated the hell out of me sometimes.
I'd love to know that I'll have full root on my phone as soon as I get it, but knowing that there are temporary solutions to remove bloatware and tether, I'm good for now. But I have confidence that we (they) will get it soon. When we (they) figure it out, we'll be able to get Sense on the phone I imagine. The Desire Z has Sense on it. (BTW, maybe you should just get an unlocked Desire Z?)
Sorry for being so long-winded. Didn't mean to write an essay. All I really need to say is that I'm jumping ship too. Yeah Android isnt' perfect, but what is? And if you can name a better hardware/software option for power users like you and me, I'd love to hear it.

I'm not sure how you feel about Windows Phone 7 but the HTC 7 Pro does look pretty nice. The screen tilts! Not sure exactly when it's coming here or on what carriers. I'm not a CDMA guy so that might be a holdup for me.
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I'm not sold on Windows Phone 7 in the least but I guess it's worth a shot. Or not. Either way I'd love to see Android or even WinMo 6.5.x on it.
But will we have the same community of developers for Windows Phone 7? Many of us (them) are jumping on the Android wagon too...

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Will_nonya said:
3. I’m primarily a business user and mainly use my phone for exchange mail, tomtom, bing, MP3 and Freda ebooks reading.
What I like about WinMo:
1. Flexibility
2. Customizable, I have 4 WinMo phones in my house all with different UI’s.
3. Good core capability
4. Conversational exchange mail, separate inboxes for pop mail accounts.
5. HTC Sense
What I don’t like about WinMo:
1. Poor performance, slow
2. Recent builds are more attractive but largely unreliable. The ROM makes all the difference, stock ROMs are generally crap while cooked roms generally look great but don’t overcome the core issues with the OS.
What interest me in the G2:
1. It felt great in my hand, solid generally well built, hard to believe its heavier than the TP2.
2. Screen looked fantastic
3. Very snappy performance for the short time I used it.
What concerns me about the G2:
1. The keyboard hinge. What were they thinking?
2. The keyboard itself. It seems a step down from my tp2.
3. Will the device be fast and stable over the long run? Judging from the post on XDA it’s hit or miss whether you get a good one or not.
4. It hasn’t been rooted yet (remember I’m a ROM flashing addict). I don’t really like the android version of sense but I’d like the option of choosing 
5. Is android really any different from WinMo? My experiences have been hit or miss, mostly miss.
6. Is android going down the same road as WinMo where the user experience will be dictated by the OEM or their choice of cooked ROM?
I’ve had a good time with WinMo since I first laid hands on my Blue Angel but is it time to try something new? If so should that be the G2?
Anyone who has made this switch or something similar or if you just have some constructive advice I’d certainly appreciate it.
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Do it and never look back.
WMobile is antiquated to say the least, regardless of the power underneath the hood.
Daily if not weekly resets alone were enough to make me switch. Regardless of the rom, if you ran long enough without a reset the phone would slow and the nly remedy would be to soft reset. NO THANKS!
The mystery will be Windows Phone 7 but whatevs. I like the G2. I plan on making it the first phone I keep for two years or more, and that speaks volumes if you look at my phone history. The Wing lasted the longest.
You might have battery problems, as I have seen them documented here in the forums, associated with exchange and pop mail. I think it has to do with the interval settings of the polling. Seems GMail is the only one that works semi efficiently on the battery. I have them all set to manual, or I just turn on auto sync once every hour to two. They have programs in the market to automatically do this I am sure.
Just be done with that old windows is all I recommend. Windows 7 might be great but we dont know yet. android IS great. G2 is a keeper for me!

While Windows Phone 7 looks nice and all it really is a step backwards atm. No copy and paste until its first update, lack of full multitasking. Uncustomizable (you can't even use your own ringtones fromwhat I have read).
The G2 is a really nice phone and I have had little to no issues with it.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Thanks everyone, you have pretty much confirmed what i was thinking but was afraid to admit
I’ve considered the desire Z but honestly I’m not as sold on the android version of sense as I am the WinMo version and without a root out of the gate I'd rather stick with standard android.
The HD7 pro was the logical upgrade from my TP2 and i actually like the new WP7 UI. I've run some of the UI clones and the concept is actually pretty good as long as it’s implemented well. What Apple does better than MS isn’t technology its marketing and packaging but given that the iphone 4 has just achieved the same level of functionality I had on my Kaiserback when the original iphone came out (just smoother and prettier) I think the lack of things like copy/paste will be more of a marketing problem for MS that will ultimately depend on how well they have done the rest of it.
What I don’t like is how far MS have gone overboard in locking down the new UI and adopting the iphone model for everything and that is one of the main things that has made me seriously consider android. If I knew the HD7 Pro was coming out as a GSM phone any time soon I might wait to compare it but in the mean time it’s either keep my tp2 or take the android leap with the G2. I know if I walk into tmo and play with one again I'll probably leave with it.
The one thing I know for certain is that I won’t be getting an iPhone, and hopefully the G2 will let me continue to knock the smugness out of the ihave what everyone else has crowd, like I do with my old WinMo.