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Well, since I don't have a TV with HDMI, I was really hoping I could run my OUYA on my computer monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable. I do get picture, but the resolution is horrible. I've contacted support about this, but have not received a reply in over a month. Apparently I am not the only one with this issue as it can be found all over the support forums. Not sure if it's a resolution issue or HDCP issue or something else, but I'm hoping some enterprising dev can figure it out.
On the same note, since my monitor doesn't have speakers and an HDMI audio extractor is about the same price as the OUYA, it'd be nice to be able to use a USB DAC to output audio to my desktop speakers. Apparently the SGS3 has it enabled, it just isn't in the stock android kernel yet: See Android Issue 24614
Anybody working on this or heard directly from OUYA support?
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Well, since I don't have a TV with HDMI, I was really hoping I could run my OUYA on my computer monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable. I do get picture, but the resolution is horrible. I've contacted support about this, but have not received a reply in over a month. Apparently I am not the only one with this issue as it can be found all over the support forums. Not sure if it's a resolution issue or HDCP issue or something else, but I'm hoping some enterprising dev can figure it out.
Anybody working on this or heard directly from OUYA support?
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The resolution isn't an OUYA specific problem, it's the same on many devices. I believe it does have to do with HDCP. I know there are some people out there with similar situations as you that have a converter cable that works, but it's not very common. IMO this is something I believe they never thought would come up was a problem that seems to be more common than not.
And yes, any type of converter box or audio splitter is going to cost you. the HDMI to Component box that I was looking at that I heard works costs 150, so it's not really worth it.
As for the sound over USB, I haven't heard of that yet for OUYA, but I know it was actually part of android starting with 4.1. That does not mean it works with the OUYA, however, as it seems only a few phones/tablets actually have the ability. If you have a micro USB to USB adapter, you might try it through that, but other than that not sure if there's any options.
I was really hoping this thing would have a AUX port, but it doesn't. I know there's some devs working on pushing sound and video from android over a network, but it's still in early stages and as far as I know no one has it working yet.
Really hope someone finds a good workaround. I don't particularly want to buy a TV just for this little box.
Well this is interesting...I just installed CWM, and while in recovery it shows full screen and looks rather nice. This must mean that it's not an inherent problem with my screen or connection, but is something do do with the software. This makes a work-around seem feasible, no?
Just found a reply in the StockPlus thread in the Dev section, but thought I'd repost here since I don't have 10 posts yet and can't reply there:
KyleK29 said:
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-CM-UAU...Syba+USB+Audio
This one, from what I understand it's Android compliant, so it just needs the standard USB Audio modules. I know the Nexus 7 got it working with certain kernels that had the necessary modules loaded. Jellybean was supposed to make this easy, but it's been hit or miss on which ROMs have the files.
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I have the same USB audio adapter and it's not working for me either. Really hoping someone cracks this nut.
TopherBarnett said:
Well, since I don't have a TV with HDMI, I was really hoping I could run my OUYA on my computer monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable. I do get picture, but the resolution is horrible. I've contacted support about this, but have not received a reply in over a month. Apparently I am not the only one with this issue as it can be found all over the support forums. Not sure if it's a resolution issue or HDCP issue or something else, but I'm hoping some enterprising dev can figure it out.
On the same note, since my monitor doesn't have speakers and an HDMI audio extractor is about the same price as the OUYA, it'd be nice to be able to use a USB DAC to output audio to my desktop speakers. Apparently the SGS3 has it enabled, it just isn't in the stock android kernel yet: See Android Issue 24614
Anybody working on this or heard directly from OUYA support?
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The issue with this is that the Ouya looks for screenmodes of 1920x1080p and 1280x720p in the monitor EDID.
Failing this, it reverts back to a letterboxed 640x480 screenmode.
There's a thread here with more info.
I have an old monitor that runs 1600x900 I use it on next to my computer just to root. If I could make it use 1280x720 and my logitech usb sound card I'd get more use from the ouya as it's now hooked to a shaerd TV. I can run my PS3 and xbox on the monitor at 1280x720 and get sound from the av outputs.
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muriani said:
The issue with this is that the Ouya looks for screenmodes of 1920x1080p and 1280x720p in the monitor EDID.
Failing this, it reverts back to a letterboxed 640x480 screenmode.
There's a thread here with more info.
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Good info on that thread, too bad nobody has seemed to make much progress though. My monitor is capable of up to 1920x1200 and supports 1280p and 720p resolutions. Sounds like the solution is either to get the EDID talking correctly, or hack in a way to override the OUYA settings and change the resolution manually.
I am running a HDMI Audio Switch (Ligawo HDMI Audio Switch ~35€) using a hdmi-cable between ouya and switch and a hdmi-dvi cable to connect the switch with my computer monitor. The switch comes with a cinch-output that is connected with my 2.0 Amplifier.
Funnily enough the switch also solves the resolution problem, I still have when connecting the ouya with my monitor via hdmi-dvi cable. Now my monitor runs brilliant on 720p.
shaDNfro said:
I am running a HDMI Audio Switch (Ligawo HDMI Audio Switch ~35€) using a hdmi-cable between ouya and switch and a hdmi-dvi cable to connect the switch with my computer monitor. The switch comes with a cinch-output that is connected with my 2.0 Amplifier.
Funnily enough the switch also solves the resolution problem, I still have when connecting the ouya with my monitor via hdmi-dvi cable. Now my monitor runs brilliant on 720p.
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I bet the switch provides some EDID spoofing. Most do in order to keep display sources from freaking out when the display is disconnected and reconnected.
Glad to hear it works...hopefully that means it's less of an issue with HDCP and more to do with EDID. I'd rather not have to buy a switch that is almost as expensive as the console itself when DVI and USB audio (in my opinion) should work out of the box. Hopefully the OUYA devs get around to adding support, but I have more hope for the XDA chefs.
Hi.
shaDNfro said:
I am running a HDMI Audio Switch (Ligawo HDMI Audio Switch ~35€) using a hdmi-cable between ouya and switch and a hdmi-dvi cable to connect the switch with my computer monitor. The switch comes with a cinch-output that is connected with my 2.0 Amplifier.
Funnily enough the switch also solves the resolution problem, I still have when connecting the ouya with my monitor via hdmi-dvi cable. Now my monitor runs brilliant on 720p.
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I just bought such a Ligawo device, and whenever I plug in the HDMI-DVI cable, the OUYA seems to turn off sound via HDMI, seemingly because al that digital stuff is so "clever" it knows that DVI doesn't do sound. At least that's what I think, and one of the customer reviews on the device on Amazon (the link I cannot -yet- post here, grmbl) confirms it, kind of.
You don't have that problem?
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Karsten
I didn't see anyone mention about this here so I thought I post about it in case someone is wondering or is searching about it in the future.
For anyone that is an audiophile or just wants better audio... I have tried a USB DAC with our Xperia Z1 and it works great! As usual you need a USB OTG cable and plug directly to the DAC (or DAC/AMP combo). The USB port does output enough current to power the DAC and even charge it (a little... I don't think the Z1 outputs the full 500mA). Android volume controls also work and it controls it. All audio goes through the DAC and no additional software is needed. I even tried it on CyanogenMod 11 when I had it installed briefly, works just the same!
In my attached pic, the DAC Amp combo is the iBasso D2+ Hj Boa along with Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Headphones. It shouldn't be limited to this DAC. Once you have DAC support confirmation it should generally work with any driverless USB DAC.
And yes the DAC sounds way better than the built in audio. The built in audio chip is okay... but there's no life/fidelity in the audio. And no amount of equalizer can fix that.
Must be a pain in the ass to carry around and those flaps make it worse.
Good to know
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Gitaroo said:
Must be a pain in the ass to carry around and those flaps make it worse.
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Carrying around isn't that bad... you can jam everything into a large pocket. This is more for a table setup, like if you are sitting at a desk for work or traveling on a plane. And yes the flaps kinda suck... the downsides of waterproof.
I actually don't use this setup very often. I also have the new NW-F886 Walkman which already has a really DAC built in. I usually have that hooked up to a portable amp. Using the USB DAC/AMP on android is a fun test I like to do whenever I get a new phone. It's just good info for anyone that wants better audio! :laugh:
I already posted my comment about the USB DAC (iBasso D10, Cobra) in this thread, post #37
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497518&page=4
I was very happy to hear to sound from my DAC, as soon I plugged it to the Z1, as soon I got it, Sept 2013.
iBasso D10 has feature to disable charging from USB. which may extend the Z1's battery life.
I recommend to use a right angled (L) USB OTG cable. and it fits much better or securely than the straight USB OTG cable.
Thank you.
bahathir said:
I already posted my comment about the USB DAC (iBasso D10, Cobra) in this thread, post #37
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497518&page=4
I was very happy to hear to sound from my DAC, as soon I plugged it to the Z1, as soon I got it, Sept 2013.
iBasso D10 has feature to disable charging from USB. which may extend the Z1's battery life.
I recommend to use a right angled (L) USB OTG cable. and it fits much better or securely than the straight USB OTG cable.
Thank you.
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Another USB DAC user :good:
Actually I am using a right angle connector in the pic but my case actually gets in the way of it. I think the one I have is too big... it's a DIY version of the micro usb connector so it maybe bigger than normal ones.
raginginferno said:
Another USB DAC user :good:
Actually I am using a right angle connector in the pic but my case actually gets in the way of it. I think the one I have is too big... it's a DIY version of the micro usb connector so it maybe bigger than normal ones.
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I see. I am using generic OTG USB (F) and generic standard Mini USB cable, and I don't have any problem when using it, with the Z1 in soft casing.
Eventhough the digital audio stream is not 'bit perfect', ie, sound signal is mixed and resampled to 48kHz, but, it is enough to enjoy most of it.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I only listen to lectures and talk shows or podcasts, which most of them are sampled at 22kHz AAC (24kbps bitrate), so it the resampling effect/artifact is not significant.
The good thing to use DAC+headphone amp, we can get better dynamic range and able to drives headphones/earphones/IEMs at optimum level.
Thank you.
So now Z2 is out and it specifically mentioned it support USB DAC but not with Z1.
I have a usb DAC personally (Fiio E07k) and it works with xperia Z1 with usb micro to mini cable without any modification to the software.
Any difference between them Z1 and Z2 in terms of functionality?
I was actually thinking about picking up a USB Dac I am still using my home made CMoy amp with a Burr Brown OPA 2132 P was thinking it might be time to upgrade good know know the USB Dacs work with the Z1
Have been doing this since the Z1 came out. Now it is my reference portable system, sounds better than AK120 at a fraction of it's price.
The near fatal flaw of lack of memory space is getting fixed by 128GB microSD, I am happy.
Z2 and T2 USB Audio support
hikashi said:
So now Z2 is out and it specifically mentioned it support USB DAC but not with Z1.
I have a usb DAC personally (Fiio E07k) and it works with xperia Z1 with usb micro to mini cable without any modification to the software.
Any difference between them Z1 and Z2 in terms of functionality?
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As product owner for USB Audio in the Z2, I would like to explain about our USB support.
In the 2013 mid- and high-end products (Z, ZL, ZR, Tablet Z, Z Ultra, Z1, Z1 Compact) we support USB Audio from the Android Audio framework, which means that all audio is resampled to 48kHz/16 bits, and mixed in with notifications etc. This means that we have "bit-perfect" reproduction only for tracks with this sample rate originally (and such are not very common) and turn off all system sounds and all sound enhancements (and even then, I cannot guarantee that we are 100% bit-perfect).
In Z2 and T2, however, we have introduced a new mode, "High-res audio over USB", where the audio stream is sent directly to USB after unpacking/decoding (actually, when selected, this applies to all audio data, no only high-res, so internally it is called "Direct" mode).
The only exception is if a DAC does not support a particular sample rate, in which case it is sent to the audio framework in the previous manner - for instance, some DAC's which support 96kHz do not support 88.2kHz, strangely enough.
Anyway, in this feature we support 44.1kHz, 48KHz, 88.2kHz, and 96kHz in either 16 or 24bits using USB Audio Class 1, and also 192kHz and 176.4kHz using USB Audio Class 2 in Asynchronous mode. The file formats can be either WAV or FLAC for lossless compression, or MP3 or AAC (which decompresses to either 44.1 or 48kHz at 16bits). I guess other generic Android audio formats should work too but they are not in scope since I have never seen these at download stores.
One caveat with 192 and 176.4kHz files is that the Android downsampler does not handle more than 96kHz, so if you get such files, they will only play in High-res mode to a capable DAC, not in any other circumstances.
In this mode, since we bypass the mixer, ring signals and notifications etc are not passed to the USB DAC. If you want these in headphones connected to a portable DAC, you will need to turn off HigH-res mode and everything will then work as in the 2013 products.
I will be present in this forum for questions and problem reports when these devices are released. Currently we are testing with a limited number of DAC' and I will post a list of these soon.
XP-Audio said:
As product owner for USB Audio in the Z2, I would like to explain about our USB support.
In the 2013 mid- and high-end products (Z, ZL, ZR, Tablet Z, Z Ultra, Z1, Z1 Compact) we support USB Audio from the Android Audio framework, which means that all audio is resampled to 48kHz/16 bits, and mixed in with notifications etc. This means that we have "bit-perfect" reproduction only for tracks with this sample rate originally (and such are not very common) and turn off all system sounds and all sound enhancements (and even then, I cannot guarantee that we are 100% bit-perfect).
In Z2 and T2, however, we have introduced a new mode, "High-res audio over USB", where the audio stream is sent directly to USB after unpacking/decoding (actually, when selected, this applies to all audio data, no only high-res, so internally it is called "Direct" mode).
The only exception is if a DAC does not support a particular sample rate, in which case it is sent to the audio framework in the previous manner - for instance, some DAC's which support 96kHz do not support 88.2kHz, strangely enough.
Anyway, in this feature we support 44.1kHz, 48KHz, 88.2kHz, and 96kHz in either 16 or 24bits using USB Audio Class 1, and also 192kHz and 176.4kHz using USB Audio Class 2 in Asynchronous mode. The file formats can be either WAV or FLAC for lossless compression, or MP3 or AAC (which decompresses to either 44.1 or 48kHz at 16bits). I guess other generic Android audio formats should work too but they are not in scope since I have never seen these at download stores.
One caveat with 192 and 176.4kHz files is that the Android downsampler does not handle more than 96kHz, so if you get such files, they will only play in High-res mode to a capable DAC, not in any other circumstances.
In this mode, since we bypass the mixer, ring signals and notifications etc are not passed to the USB DAC. If you want these in headphones connected to a portable DAC, you will need to turn off HigH-res mode and everything will then work as in the 2013 products.
I will be present in this forum for questions and problem reports when these devices are released. Currently we are testing with a limited number of DAC' and I will post a list of these soon.
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Wow. Very insightful. Thanks.
One more thing, will this High Res over USB feature carry forward to the Z1? Or it is a new hardware feature.
hikashi said:
Wow. Very insightful. Thanks.
One more thing, will this High Res over USB feature carry forward to the Z1? Or it is a new hardware feature.
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I cannot comment on unreleased features, however, this feature is not dependent on the specific hardware in Z2. Generally, backporting new features into older products is always a question of resources.
XP-Audio said:
As product owner for USB Audio in the Z2, I would like to explain about our USB support.
In the 2013 mid- and high-end products (Z, ZL, ZR, Tablet Z, Z Ultra, Z1, Z1 Compact) we support USB Audio from the Android Audio framework, which means that all audio is resampled to 48kHz/16 bits, and mixed in with notifications etc. This means that we have "bit-perfect" reproduction only for tracks with this sample rate originally (and such are not very common) and turn off all system sounds and all sound enhancements (and even then, I cannot guarantee that we are 100% bit-perfect).
In Z2 and T2, however, we have introduced a new mode, "High-res audio over USB", where the audio stream is sent directly to USB after unpacking/decoding (actually, when selected, this applies to all audio data, no only high-res, so internally it is called "Direct" mode).
The only exception is if a DAC does not support a particular sample rate, in which case it is sent to the audio framework in the previous manner - for instance, some DAC's which support 96kHz do not support 88.2kHz, strangely enough.
Anyway, in this feature we support 44.1kHz, 48KHz, 88.2kHz, and 96kHz in either 16 or 24bits using USB Audio Class 1, and also 192kHz and 176.4kHz using USB Audio Class 2 in Asynchronous mode. The file formats can be either WAV or FLAC for lossless compression, or MP3 or AAC (which decompresses to either 44.1 or 48kHz at 16bits). I guess other generic Android audio formats should work too but they are not in scope since I have never seen these at download stores.
One caveat with 192 and 176.4kHz files is that the Android downsampler does not handle more than 96kHz, so if you get such files, they will only play in High-res mode to a capable DAC, not in any other circumstances.
In this mode, since we bypass the mixer, ring signals and notifications etc are not passed to the USB DAC. If you want these in headphones connected to a portable DAC, you will need to turn off HigH-res mode and everything will then work as in the 2013 products.
I will be present in this forum for questions and problem reports when these devices are released. Currently we are testing with a limited number of DAC' and I will post a list of these soon.
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Well that's a good point. But how LG G2 (which is marketed to play Hi-Res audio) differs from the Z1?
For the "High-Res Audio over USB" mode on Z2, well, it is still unsure whether Sony will be porting this into the Z1 with the KK upgrade. Right now, what's clear is that USB DAC is supported but with limited audio sampling and frequency.
Tested with Fiio e07. Working great.
Compatibility with Z1
raginginferno said:
I didn't see anyone mention about this here so I thought I post about it in case someone is wondering or is searching about it in the future.
For anyone that is an audiophile or just wants better audio... I have tried a USB DAC with our Xperia Z1 and it works great! As usual you need a USB OTG cable and plug directly to the DAC (or DAC/AMP combo). The USB port does output enough current to power the DAC and even charge it (a little... I don't think the Z1 outputs the full 500mA). Android volume controls also work and it controls it. All audio goes through the DAC and no additional software is needed. I even tried it on CyanogenMod 11 when I had it installed briefly, works just the same!
In my attached pic, the DAC Amp combo is the iBasso D2+ Hj Boa along with Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Headphones. It shouldn't be limited to this DAC. Once you have DAC support confirmation it should generally work with any driverless USB DAC.
And yes the DAC sounds way better than the built in audio. The built in audio chip is okay... but there's no life/fidelity in the audio. And no amount of equalizer can fix that.
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Hey there, firstly I have to say I am amazed at the fact I found something online relating Z1's with M50s, so thank you for opening this thread. My question might be a bit off tangent, but I'm currently looking at buying some M50s, and Im sure you know as an Xperia user, the headphone glitch is one of the most frustrating parts about the phone despite it being an amazing device. Do your M50s work with your phone, when plugging them in the standard jack?
Leungerz said:
Hey there, firstly I have to say I am amazed at the fact I found something online relating Z1's with M50s, so thank you for opening this thread. My question might be a bit off tangent, but I'm currently looking at buying some M50s, and Im sure you know as an Xperia user, the headphone glitch is one of the most frustrating parts about the phone despite it being an amazing device. Do your M50s work with your phone, when plugging them in the standard jack?
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Headphones glitch? The only I can think of is if you use like iphone headphones it won't work because it uses the other mic/heaphone standard than the xperias do... is that what you are refering to.
In anycase what you are asking is not related. With any android phone, if you plug in any sort of regular (no mic) headphones the phone audio will go through the heaphones and the voice will be picked up by the mic on the phone. In the Z1 case, the bottom where the external speaker is. So it works just fine (I tested just in case). So if you are going to use it with voice calls, the phone cannot be on your pocket.
Btw side note, I am on cyanogenmod mod (it shouldn't make a difference) but unfortunately cyanogenmod no longer supports USB DAC. Kali mentioned that it screwed up the dock charger so he disabled usb dac support
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raginginferno said:
Headphones glitch? The only I can think of is if you use like iphone headphones it won't work because it uses the other mic/heaphone standard than the xperias do... is that what you are refering to.
In anycase what you are asking is not related. With any android phone, if you plug in any sort of regular (no mic) headphones the phone audio will go through the heaphones and the voice will be picked up by the mic on the phone. In the Z1 case, the bottom where the external speaker is. So it works just fine (I tested just in case). So if you are going to use it with voice calls, the phone cannot be on your pocket.
Btw side note, I am on cyanogenmod mod (it shouldn't make a difference) but unfortunately cyanogenmod no longer supports USB DAC. Kali mentioned that it screwed up the dock charger so he disabled usb dac support
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Thanks for the quick reply. I think I get your point, simplifying my question; I just wanna know if when you plug in your M50 standard headset in the normal jack at the top of the phone, audio plays properly. Sorry for the confusion lol. Also when did you get your z1?
Leungerz said:
Thanks for the quick reply. I think I get your point, simplifying my question; I just wanna know if when you plug in your M50 standard headset in the normal jack at the top of the phone, audio plays properly. Sorry for the confusion lol. Also when did you get your z1?
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LOL. That's a lot more simple question. Yes the Ath-M50 works just fine with the Z1 through the heaphone jack.
I got my Z1 in December. One of the first batches available in Canada.
XP-Audio said:
As product owner for USB Audio in the Z2, I would like to explain about our USB support.
In the 2013 mid- and high-end products (Z, ZL, ZR, Tablet Z, Z Ultra, Z1, Z1 Compact) we support USB Audio from the Android Audio framework, which means that all audio is resampled to 48kHz/16 bits, and mixed in with notifications etc. This means that we have "bit-perfect" reproduction only for tracks with this sample rate originally (and such are not very common) and turn off all system sounds and all sound enhancements (and even then, I cannot guarantee that we are 100% bit-perfect).
In Z2 and T2, however, we have introduced a new mode, "High-res audio over USB", where the audio stream is sent directly to USB after unpacking/decoding (actually, when selected, this applies to all audio data, no only high-res, so internally it is called "Direct" mode).
The only exception is if a DAC does not support a particular sample rate, in which case it is sent to the audio framework in the previous manner - for instance, some DAC's which support 96kHz do not support 88.2kHz, strangely enough.
Anyway, in this feature we support 44.1kHz, 48KHz, 88.2kHz, and 96kHz in either 16 or 24bits using USB Audio Class 1, and also 192kHz and 176.4kHz using USB Audio Class 2 in Asynchronous mode. The file formats can be either WAV or FLAC for lossless compression, or MP3 or AAC (which decompresses to either 44.1 or 48kHz at 16bits). I guess other generic Android audio formats should work too but they are not in scope since I have never seen these at download stores.
One caveat with 192 and 176.4kHz files is that the Android downsampler does not handle more than 96kHz, so if you get such files, they will only play in High-res mode to a capable DAC, not in any other circumstances.
In this mode, since we bypass the mixer, ring signals and notifications etc are not passed to the USB DAC. If you want these in headphones connected to a portable DAC, you will need to turn off HigH-res mode and everything will then work as in the 2013 products.
I will be present in this forum for questions and problem reports when these devices are released. Currently we are testing with a limited number of DAC' and I will post a list of these soon.
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thank you for the great explanation! this info is exactly what I was looking for. Does this also mean that I can send any audio out through usb? for example, Google Play Music streaming app, will the audio stream to my car's usb port? or does it only support locally saved files on the phone? Thanks!
Hello everyone
I have Nexus Player, Tv, And Denon 1508 audio receiver
For now I have such seturp- the HDMI from Nexus goes to tv, and then with 2 cords goes to receiver
Is there any way to get 5 chanel audio out of hdmi? Maybe some splitter to get sound out of hdmi to optical / coaxial inputs? Any other ideas?
myshyak said:
Hello everyone
I have Nexus Player, Tv, And Denon 1508 audio receiver
For now I have such seturp- the HDMI from Nexus goes to tv, and then with 2 cords goes to receiver
Is there any way to get 5 chanel audio out of hdmi? Maybe some splitter to get sound out of hdmi to optical / coaxial inputs? Any other ideas?
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If your receiver has no HDMI inputs, you'll have to convert/split the HDMI signal. Monoprice sells just such a box for around $35:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Good luck.
edit: I looked up your receiver and it seems to have 2 HDMI inputs (and one monitor/output to send to your TV). Is there any reason why you don't have the Nexus Player hooked up to your Denon via HDMI so it can decode your 5.1 audio directly?
It has hdmi imputs, but only as the switch, it can't take audio from there, unfortunately
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Thanks for link, it is exactly what I need
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Does your TV not have optical outs? I plug my np into TV and take optical outs to receiver and works great.
volwrath said:
Does your TV not have optical outs? I plug my np into TV and take optical outs to receiver and works great.
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Most TV optical outs will only give you 2.0 PCM stereo. With the above box, it'll passthrough the original Dolby Digital and/or DTS 5.1/7.1 signal to your receiver for it to decode. Due to bandwidth limitations, optical cannot support PCM 5.1, so DTS-HD Master Audio or DD TrueHD would be out, but it'd pass the embedded DTS and DD signal from those.
i havent had the chance to pick up the player yet, as it is not out in the uk, but i hope that 5.0 support for USB DAC's will make it work with one of these and an otg cable
http://www.turtlebeach.com/product-detail/sound-cards-accessories/audio-advantage-micro-ii/31
Elrondolio said:
Most TV optical outs will only give you 2.0 PCM stereo. With the above box, it'll passthrough the original Dolby Digital and/or DTS 5.1/7.1 signal to your receiver for it to decode. Due to bandwidth limitations, optical cannot support PCM 5.1, so DTS-HD Master Audio or DD TrueHD would be out, but it'd pass the embedded DTS and DD signal from those.
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Good points. My receiver is old and doesn't do dts-hd or truehd.
Same Issue
I am having a similar issue, I have the nexus player connected to an hdmi to spdif splitter. HDMI continues onto the TV, the spdif cable goes to a Sonos Playbar. I tried the same setup with my xbox 360 and was able to get 5.1 surround out of the sonos. But with the Nexus Player I am having no luck, I am just getting stereo audio. Anyone have any ideas?
XBMC will convert 5.1 signals to Dolby Pro Logic 2 which you can decode with your receiver for 5.1 sound.
Let's just hope that you're playing local media.
I made another thread, didnt see this before hand. Anyways my np is connected hdmi to the tv (so is everything else) and then optical out from tv to receiver . and surround is not working from np.
Everything else (xbox and what not) 5.1 works just fine
Giroyac said:
I made another thread, didnt see this before hand. Anyways my np is connected hdmi to the tv (so is everything else) and then optical out from tv to receiver . and surround is not working from np.
Everything else (xbox and what not) 5.1 works just fine
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It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the informative reply, so what it is the best way to connect this to get 5.1 surround ?my surround system is basically a home theater blue ray player, is it even possible ?
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Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Oh and in xbmc i chose 5.1 but theres nothing in regards to passthrough setting or what not.
Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Thanks alot. You caused me to research my Samsung TV and I have found that I am only received prologic over my tv now i am going to have to buy an receiver.
Giroyac said:
Thanks for the informative reply, so what it is the best way to connect this to get 5.1 surround ?my surround system is basically a home theater blue ray player, is it even possible ?
Oh and in xbmc i chose 5.1 but theres nothing in regards to passthrough setting or what not.
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In XBMC/kodi, you need to select either the advanced or expert option at the bottom of the settings dialog before you can see more setting options on each page. I believe the DD and DTS passthrough setting is revealed when you choose advanced.
As for getting 5.1 (compressed DD or DTS) to an older receiver that only has SPDIF optical or coaxial inputs: as posted above there are inexpensive $35 intermediate boxes that can split the DD and DTS signals from an HDMI input and send those along to an additional SPDIF output, as well as sending the original HDMI video/audio along via HDMI out to your TV.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Or, if you have multiple HDMI sources and want one HDMI out to TV as well as one SPDIF output to your receiver:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=7974&seq=1&format=2
If your original sources are guaranteed to only be sending 2.0-5.1 Dolby Digital and/or DTS (as well as up to 2.1 LPCM), such a box will work great. This includes streaming most local or NAS sources via mkv's, etc through Plex or XBMC/kodi. If you are feeding any HDMI sources that contain uncompressed 5.1 LPCM or Dolby Digital Plus, etc, it'd only pass 2.0 LPCM from those sources over optical/coaxial. You'd need a more expensive box that can do the same as above but additionally re-encode all signals to 5.1 Dolby Digital before sending out over optical/coaxial if you needed/wanted 5.1 LPCM, AAC, DD+, etc sources to be in 5.1 over optical.
tl;dr: you don't have to replace your older receiver if you are streaming local media sources of up to 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS. If you want to support online sources that may stream DD+ or uncompressed 5.1 LPCM, however, a more expensive converter box will be needed than above or, in most cases a better idea, you'd need to upgrade your receiver.
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volwrath said:
Thanks alot. You caused me to research my Samsung TV and I have found that I am only received prologic over my tv now i am going to have to buy an receiver.
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See above post... you may not need a new receiver depending on your needs.
Elrondolio said:
In XBMC/kodi, you need to select either the advanced or expert option at the bottom of the settings dialog before you can see more setting options on each page. I believe the DD and DTS passthrough setting is revealed when you choose advanced.
As for getting 5.1 (compressed DD or DTS) to an older receiver that only has SPDIF optical or coaxial inputs: as posted above there are inexpensive $35 intermediate boxes that can split the DD and DTS signals from an HDMI input and send those along to an additional SPDIF output, as well as sending the original HDMI video/audio along via HDMI out to your TV.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Or, if you have multiple HDMI sources and want one HDMI out to TV as well as one SPDIF output to your receiver:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=7974&seq=1&format=2
If your original sources are guaranteed to only be sending 2.0-5.1 Dolby Digital and/or DTS (as well as up to 2.1 LPCM), such a box will work great. This includes streaming most local or NAS sources via mkv's, etc through Plex or XBMC/kodi. If you are feeding any HDMI sources that contain uncompressed 5.1 LPCM or Dolby Digital Plus, etc, it'd only pass 2.0 LPCM from those sources over optical/coaxial. You'd need a more expensive box that can do the same as above but additionally re-encode all signals to 5.1 Dolby Digital before sending out over optical/coaxial if you needed/wanted 5.1 LPCM, AAC, DD+, etc sources to be in 5.1 over optical.
tl;dr: you don't have to replace your older receiver if you are streaming local media sources of up to 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS. If you want to support online sources that may stream DD+ or uncompressed 5.1 LPCM, however, a more expensive converter box will be needed than above or, in most cases a better idea, you'd need to upgrade your receiver.
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See above post... you may not need a new receiver depending on your needs.
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Holly crap dude, that must've been the best response I've got on any thread on any forum.
Thanks a lot.
So since from your previous replies you mentioned the nexus player uses 5.1 lpcm in many of the apps (which im assuming includes google play, netflix and what not) im either stuck buying the expensive splitter thing or a new receiver.
To be honest, i dont think either would help, since my main concern was watching show box movies with surround. Which i recently learned doesnt have 5.1 audio regardless. I guess same applies to xbmc (depending on what is streaming and if it does 5.1 or not)
Does what i said kind of makes sense to you ? I apologize for my noobness
Giroyac said:
Holly crap dude, that must've been the best response I've got on any thread on any forum.
Thanks a lot.
So since from your previous replies you mentioned the nexus player uses 5.1 lpcm in many of the apps (which im assuming includes google play, netflix and what not) im either stuck buying the expensive splitter thing or a new receiver.
To be honest, i dont think either would help, since my main concern was watching show box movies with surround. Which i recently learned doesnt have 5.1 audio regardless. I guess same applies to xbmc (depending on what is streaming and if it does 5.1 or not)
Does what i said kind of makes sense to you ? I apologize for my noobness
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Thanks. Yes, what you wrote makes sense and isn't noobie at all. There are some addon streams that XBMC/kodi can pass 5.1 from to your receiver, but you are correct that the vast majority of streams are indeed only in stereo or, at best, Pro Logic. As for Netflix and Google Play over the NP: I'm not sure what it streams as I've been on the road so much and haven't had the time with the NP to check it out. Some on these boards are saying that Netflix is only sending 2.0 LPCM on the Nexus right now. I'm sure someone else can chime in with more direct NP testing. If your main concern is getting a ripped media collection in 5.1 over an older receiver, the converter box applies. Otherwise, it does not.
Take care.
Elrondolio said:
Thanks. Yes, what you wrote makes sense and isn't noobie at all. There are some addon streams that XBMC/kodi can pass 5.1 from to your receiver, but you are correct that the vast majority of streams are indeed only in stereo or, at best, Pro Logic. As for Netflix and Google Play over the NP: I'm not sure what it streams as I've been on the road so much and haven't had the time with the NP to check it out. Some on these boards are saying that Netflix is only sending 2.0 LPCM on the Nexus right now. I'm sure someone else can chime in with more direct NP testing. If your main concern is getting a ripped media collection in 5.1 over an older receiver, the converter box applies. Otherwise, it does not.
Take care.
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I went to my TV manual, and confirmed that it does not send DD over optical from external HDMI, and none of the apps will give DD..... except Kodi. On the .mkvs I have that are encoded DD, Kodi appears to be passing 5.1 DD just fine through my TVs toslink. It is lighting up the DD light and coming through in surround, but so far its the only app I have found to do this. Neither netflix nor google movies nor any games I have found will light up DD.
Any thoughts on how further to test it or do you have any apps that should be DD? Can you confirm Google movies is in DD? I bought an HDMI converter tonight but cancelled the order until I figure out what is going on. Its not very impressive that Google left a lot of apps without DD.
volwrath said:
I went to my TV manual, and confirmed that it does not send DD over optical from external HDMI, and none of the apps will give DD..... except Kodi. On the .mkvs I have that are encoded DD, Kodi appears to be passing 5.1 DD just fine through my TVs toslink. It is lighting up the DD light and coming through in surround, but so far its the only app I have found to do this. Neither netflix nor google movies nor any games I have found will light up DD.
Any thoughts on how further to test it or do you have any apps that should be DD? Can you confirm Google movies is in DD? I bought an HDMI converter tonight but cancelled the order until I figure out what is going on. Its not very impressive that Google left a lot of apps without DD.
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The same here Kodi is the only app passing DD and DTS everything else including plex does stereo only.
WhiteWidows said:
The same here Kodi is the only app passing DD and DTS everything else including plex does stereo only.
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This may be the biggest issue with the NP to date! Even the older GoogleTV passed DD.
Will a usb to optical cable work? If not any other way? Thanks
I have an old samsung surround receiver that only offers 5.1 optical out
Like this
http://www.amazon.com/HiFimeDIY-Sabre-U2-Asynchronous-optical/dp/B00EDHC5YU
or this?
http://www.amazon.com/HiFiMeDIY-Digital-Analog-Converter-Optical/dp/B00AOH5JTQ
Yes will the Nvidia shield pass the audio through USB?
It's full android. I saw reviews of same using it on android, and I use a DAC (Digital to Analog Convertor) on my shield. I personally have one that's micro usb male to 3.5mm and it works flawlessly. Imediately recoganized, no configuration. I got that edition as I only have 2.1 audio and it was a free extra usb port, plus it works on my phone too. Should work just fine.
What I am looking to do is use one of the usb ports with a converter to analog.
mdwright1031 said:
What I am looking to do is use one of the usb ports with a converter to analog.
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Like a headphone jack? You originally said optical, so I wasn't sure. What type of sound system connector do you need specifically. I'll find one one that's perfect.
Optical
Both of those do optical and should work fine with android.
Thank you very much. I will look for a cheaper option but at least I know what to look for. Thx. These will pass through 5.1 right?
Here is the easiest way to ask. Ok Here is the reciever I have:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/HT-C550/XAA
The only inputs I have are either RCA or optical out from the receiver. Is there any way to connect the shield tv to get 5.1 surround sound? Sorry for not being clear. I am curious to know if the usb port from the nvidia shield will output 5.1. Thank you
Upon further inspection of options, you'll probably be best with something like this. It strips the 5.1 audio from the HDMI, then makes it optical. It's probably the most cost effective solution for true 5.1.
http://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Headphone-Extractor-Converter-Splitter/dp/B00JZCLW6A
mdwright1031 said:
Yes will the Nvidia shield pass the audio through USB?
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I think the best will be a HDMI to optical box...
Or hope your tv has a sound pass through. and use the tv optical out.
tailslol said:
I think the best will be a HDMI to optical box...
Or hope your tv has a sound pass through. and use the tv optical out.
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Unfortunately mine does not. I have an old 46" Sammy with excellent colors I don't want to give up. It has an optical port but you only get 2.1 that way.
kdb424 said:
Upon further inspection of options, you'll probably be best with something like this. It strips the 5.1 audio from the HDMI, then makes it optical. It's probably the most cost effective solution for true 5.1.
http://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Headphone-Extractor-Converter-Splitter/dp/B00JZCLW6A
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So with this option I would:
Surround receiver optical into this box optical
Nvidia shield hdmi into box
then box hdmi to tv?
mdwright1031 said:
So with this option I would:
Surround receiver optical into this box optical
Nvidia shield hdmi into box
then box hdmi to tv?
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Yep. That just strips the sound from the HDMI, so you can just use the out ports on that for sound and video. It's full 5.1 sound out, and normal HDMI passthrough so you won't lose any quality on video or audio.
kdb424 said:
Yep. That just strips the sound from the HDMI, so you can just use the out ports on that for sound and video. It's full 5.1 sound out, and normal HDMI passthrough so you won't lose any quality on video or audio.
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Thanks a lot.
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Thanks a lot.
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It can add some small sound delay still, but less than a USB thing.
But I guess most content on android are in stereo so if you want some 5.1 effect all the time make sure your receiver does some dolby pro logic 2 for a 2.0 to 5.1 effect.
tailslol said:
It can add some small sound delay still, but less than a USB thing.
But I guess most content on android are in stereo so if you want some 5.1 effect all the time make sure your receiver does some dolby pro logic 2 for a 2.0 to 5.1 effect.
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Things like Kodi will, or soon will, do 5.1 on the shield. I'm going to assume that's why this is being asked. That' and the only thing their reciever can accept is 5.1 optical, so either way, it's what they want.
EDIT: Checked up on it. It does support 5.1 audio with the lastest version.
kdb424 said:
Things like Kodi will, or soon will, do 5.1 on the shield. I'm going to assume that's why this is being asked. That' and the only thing their reciever can accept is 5.1 optical, so either way, it's what they want.
EDIT: Checked up on it. It does support 5.1 audio with the lastest version.
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Yes kodi, vlc,and most local video player support 5.1 and 7.1 content, but apps like YouTube,daily motion,some streaming tv/anime/movies apps and maybe popcorn time and Netflix,or some games and music streaming apps like spotify only use 2.0 sound.
In this case a dolby pro logic 2 mode is cool for a "all time" 5.1 sound mode if you see what I mean :laugh:
I use a HDMI pioneer receiver and it is really good one because it can switch from full Dolby digital 5.1 mode to Dolby pro logic 2 by itself if it detect 2.0 output.
Shield TV update 2.0 added support for USB to optical dongles.
"Supports USB-S/PDIF dongles and enables users to connect SHIELD to older sound bars and audio receivers."
Looking at possibly purchasing an android head unit for my 2015 Chevy Cruze and would like to use my portable USB DAC to get a digital signal to my DSP.
Does anyone know if audio over USB is possible on any of these units?
Hi,
I can try to connect my old SteelSeries USB DAC that worked on other Android devices.
Tested, and DAC Controls work (Voli+/-, MUTE, MIC ON) which means that USB DAC is detected correctly, but unfortunately there is no settings for selecting it as output, but again I'm on Stock non root HA Firmware.
NOTE: I tested same DAC on Alcatel Idol 3 and as soon as I connected USB it switched output to DAC immediately so it works without a hinch.
Here is the device I tested on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WJ9K4G/ and some pics of device.
Is this supposed to be slapstick/humor?
You will need to elaborate your statement, so that I understand what you meant by it.
marchnz said:
Is this supposed to be slapstick/humor?
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If you are referring to my question, it was legitimate. After doing more research I have found the audio is all being controlled by the MCU and not by the Android operating system.
I was hoping it would work similar to my current signal chain which is Samsung Galaxy S8+ > OTG Adapter > Muse Portable DAC > MiniDSP.
Then, answer: Maybe I found it as interesting thing to test especially as I was missing a lot of Low Level Audio Access on Android.
I tend to agree on your findings in Alcatel Developer settings I can clearly set Audio Source for USB (see attachment) and it is Automatically selected when I insert DAC.in OTG like as you pointed for your S8+
Investigating it further and connecting to various Devices I've found one very very strange that Support is directly connected to Kernel "sound support soundcore module" and ALSA, to clam that I've done something interesting and connected the card to my QNAP NAS USB port to see what happen and on my surprise I got Audio OUT on my NAS Music App showed additional option for Audio Source "Internal Sound Card" and it worked flawlessly. So question is what we are missing in PX5 Kernel to make that working.