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Galaxy Note 2 vs Lenovo K900

I love my Note 2 so much but the new Lenovo phone is so attractive.
- 1080p with the same size 5.5 inch display
- Very good build quality (satisfied with Note 2 but still wanna smth better)
- The beast of the beast CloverTrail+
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Not sure about the battery life but CloverTrail (not +) is superb energy-efficient according to Anandtech. We can underclock it for better battery life (because it's so strong)
I will keep my Note 2 until Note 3 but this one is interesting.

There are aspects like support and community acceptance
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Lol community acceptance. It's living an alternative lifestyle with that diamond pattern.
It's kind of hard to compare the Gnote2 with this since it is of course newer and won't be released untli halfway into 2013 and even longer for western countries, or not at all since there are currently no immediate plans. Otherwise, the specs and hardware are quite ahead of the Gnote2. Much slimmer body, and one built from steel and polycarbonate and looks 100x more well built than the galaxy s3 and note2. There's not a single galaxy phone I've used recently that hasn't had a loose backcover and felt like it was falling apart. The screen is also 1080p, better than 720p, and looks like a high quality IPS screen. I like more natural and accurate colors, and the brightness is better for outdoors. The processor is too early for anyone to call, but the exynos/snapdragon that the note2 uses was already last gen when the nexus 4 came out, so any new phones since then that are competitive with an s4 pro will be faster than note2, such is life in the smartphone world. The camera looks to use Sony's new sensor, which will most likely be better than the note2. You can also turn off the lenovo skin, supposedly, and get the stock android experience, maybe. IT's better in almost all respects, but it is a newer, unreleased phone that so far has poor availability outside of asian countries so if you were thinking of picking up a phone right now, the note2 is better than a non-existent one.

I swear you guys get distracted by anything shiny...
Lenovo would not spill any details on pricing or availability, though the phone should first come to China later this year. The K900 runs on GSM and 3G UMTS networks, but it does not support 4G. That will diminish its appeal in 4G-rich markets like the United States.​
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/lenovo-k900/4505-6454_7-35567342.html

by the time it will be released,
samsung will announce note 3 with
"unbreakable" flexi display glass, 1080p
corning gorilla glass 3,
8 core- big.little ARM processor,
13 mpx sony sensor camera
with more than amazing battery (octa core saves 70% more power)..
........and dont forget removable battery and sd card
so what phone will you get?:laugh:

pakure said:
so what phone will you get?:laugh:
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Lenovo
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For my opinion, i don´t think that it´s better to by a Phone from a company that has not so much experience with smartphones. Like kata.... said. It is non-existed Smartphone. And the experience from Lenovo in the Smartphone-Area is non-existed too. I think when its come out it will be buggy.

Still note 2 software owning other competitors. Yeh competitors hardware is newer/better but without right software you wont be satisfied...

El-Shaday said:
For my opinion, i don´t think that it´s better to by a Phone from a company that has not so much experience with smartphones. Like kata.... said. It is non-existed Smartphone. And the experience from Lenovo in the Smartphone-Area is non-existed too. I think when its come out it will be buggy.
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So i think too.

pakure said:
by the time it will be released,
samsung will announce note 3 with
"unbreakable" flexi display glass, 1080p
corning gorilla glass 3,
8 core- big.little ARM processor,
13 mpx sony sensor camera
with more than amazing battery (octa core saves 70% more power)..
........and dont forget removable battery and sd card
so what phone will you get?:laugh:
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Lol. Comparing a current phone to a just announced one is one thing. Comparing A just announced phone that has physical form and is press ready with a release date, to the pure speculation by certain samsung fans on a samsung forum, well, that statement stands for itself. The chance of the Note3 getting "unbreakable" glass is the same as the Note2's chance of getting an "unscratchable" ceramic body. But reality is always full of cheap shiny plastic. The octa-core processor is also pure speculation at this point, if it even comes out this year, and 70% power savings is really pure marketing baloney that no one should believe. The other specs you mentioned, plenty of current and just announced smartphones have. It's really nothing special, but expected. The k900 haas them, except for the removable battery. I'd rather Samsung get on the non-removable bandwagon, since they seem to be unable to make a backcover worth a damn. It will be increasingly hard to compete with sub 7mm phones and still have a semi-solid build and removable cover.

katamari201 said:
I'd rather Samsung get on the non-removable bandwagon, since they seem to be unable to make a backcover worth a damn. It will be increasingly hard to compete with sub 7mm phones and still have a semi-solid build and removable cover.
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I really hope that day never comes!
I won't buy a phone that doesn't allow me to carry and use spare batteries.
Regards,
Dave
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katamari201 said:
Lol. Comparing a current phone to a just announced one is one thing. Comparing A just announced phone that has physical form and is press ready with a release date, to the pure speculation by certain samsung fans on a samsung forum, well, that statement stands for itself. The chance of the Note3 getting "unbreakable" glass is the same as the Note2's chance of getting an "unscratchable" ceramic body. But reality is always full of cheap shiny plastic. The octa-core processor is also pure speculation at this point, if it even comes out this year, and 70% power savings is really pure marketing baloney that no one should believe. The other specs you mentioned, plenty of current and just announced smartphones have. It's really nothing special, but expected. The k900 haas them, except for the removable battery. I'd rather Samsung get on the non-removable bandwagon, since they seem to be unable to make a backcover worth a damn. It will be increasingly hard to compete with sub 7mm phones and still have a semi-solid build and removable cover.
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Why Would any one buy a note 3 without any of those upgrades and it is highly possible that majority of those specs will find their way in the next iteration of not all. Samsung has been ruling the market because of their rapid turnover of devices and hence they will continue to push the limits. ..hardware and software wise. ..and the competition will make sure they are on their toes
Samsung and ARM have been working on the big. Little chip for some time now and they both have been reported to be surprised by the power saving you get with it. .. though in final practical use. ..how good it would be have to be seen
scribbled from my note 2 (N7100)

pakure said:
by the time it will be released,
samsung will announce note 3 with
"unbreakable" flexi display glass, 1080p
corning gorilla glass 3,
8 core- big.little ARM processor,
13 mpx sony sensor camera
with more than amazing battery (octa core saves 70% more power)..
........and dont forget removable battery and sd card
so what phone will you get?:laugh:
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Which is it? Unbreakable flexible screen or gg3? Can't be both.
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Unbreakable flexible Samsung display and hopefully cornings flexible willow glass
scribbled from my note 2 (N7100)

Who's getting one and why?

Hey all
So the latest Nexus smartphone has gone big! Not only in size, but expected retail price. How do other members feel this stacks up with other devices? Say the Samsung Note 4 or Huawei mate 7? Is sticking to a Quad-core processor a wise choice, as so many flagships are touting an Octa-Core?
As with Nexus devices, this latest model also does not feature a micro SD card slot, for me a big omission and one reason i myself have avoided the nexus series, is this a big deal for others?
We also see a move towards AMOLED screen technology, personally i really like the vibrant colors and bright display AMOLED brings, but how do others feel about this change?
Who will be grabbing a Nexus 6 and why take this over the competition? Would also like to hear comments from those coming from the Nexus 5, is the screen size just to big a jump?
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I am getting 64gb because,
It is motorola made
It is google device
It is premium
It is top end specced
It is future proof with developer support.

I'll Eventually get one Because :
Nexus 5 is cracking up around the body.
Nexus 6 will have a metal body and wont crack up.
I can trim off an Inch of the screen to make it a better nexus 5

Nexus, that is all.

I'm thinking about upgrading my Nexus 5, but the screen size may have me back off.

I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus

IRX120 said:
I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus
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It's water resistant, if you think it's too big - use it as your umbrella as well!

I'm an Android Nut. So obv I love the Nexus Line for all of the right reasons...
But this one has my heart for Few reasons...
Phablet
QHD Screen
Snapdragon 805
3gb RAM (with stock Android... Wow)
Moto Made
SO MANY LTE bands (even band 12 on T-Mobile)
Obv great & long lasting development support
I recently ditched VZW for T-Mobile. Loving it. Have the G3, which is awesome. BUT, wet all know pure Android is where is at. SO, hard to pass this up. Plus I can use my JUMP program to get it, so as long as I put some money down up front, the larger price tag doesn't really affect me (all at once). I love phablets, went from Note 3 on VZW, to this G3. So the size isn't necessarily a hurdle for me.
Mostly tho, it's Lollipop. Biggest & best update to Android yet. And T-Mobile won't mess with the update process. So that's honestly why. Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with my G3. But I'ma nerd, and I want A nexus! Haha

My reason is that I want to move to a bigger form factor and also have the ability to have stock, vanilla Android without bloat. The funny thing is that all those that complain about the price never seem to bring up the expense of the Note 3 or other phones. With those you have serious bloat and no ability outside of root to weed it out. Don't forget you don't have to wait 3 to 6 months to get the latest Android update. Those things taken into account and the Nexus 6 looks like a pretty good deal.

Samsung kept delaying the note 4 in the UK so that it would arrive next Saturday when im leaving to Florida for a week.
So i though F**k it when the N6 was announced as it is cheaper and my warranty will not be void day 1
Although the N6 may be behind on some things, battery life, micro sd card slot and camera.

I love Nexus and have always been disappointed in the cheap feel of the N5. With the spec of the N6, its my total fantasy of an awesome phone.

Upgrading from my GNex, first time I felt it was worthy, second I'm still on VZ.
Will pull trigger after handling one in store though.
As to size, unsure yet, but anythign out there now is a bit bigger than what I came from, however I fall in line with most of the other answers:
future dev support
larger
nexus
Pure Android bliss.
While I hated moto under the JhaTool for how they locked everything down, one really cant argue - moto makes terrific HW, radios specifically.
It's likely going to happen foe me.

Because it's the next nexus...

Great phone and this community can not be beat!!

Getting Blue 64gb:
It is motorolo (I had a StarTac )
It is google 2014
It is premium
It is highend specs
It has XDA developer support!

I was going to get a phone and a tablet but why now when I can saving money and only need one device with an unmatched development community?
I've had two notes. Never removed the battery once, but I did use the SD card. With 64 gigs though, I won't need a card. I also used the MultiWindows and pen windows a lot but now I can get those features from Xposed with TouchWiz bloat and ugliness. There's nothing else the Note offers me. Maybe a slightly better camera (we'll see), but that's not a priority of mine.
The Mate 7 looked awesome, and I considered it over the Nexus, but it will have little to no development, and is only a little cheaper.

To utilize my jump. Might as well jump every six months since I'm paying for it.
And it's a nice device. I miss Motorola from three flip phone days. They always had good hardware.
G3

I haven't had a Motorola phone since the Bionic. Since then I've had the Note 2 and Note 3. I love them, but now that Moto has made a big phone, I'm really excited. Even though it's not really a productivity one.
And I've never had a Nexus, so this is perfect. Big screen like I like, quality Moto, and I can get it through a carrier.
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I was thinking about buying a Note 4 or the Note Edge, but this phone just looks amazing. I also want the biggest phone I can fit in my pocket and the fact that it will be unlocked or unlockable on Verizon also got me. The fact that it already will ship with Lollipop is better yet and will get the latest updates is another reason. I can't stand being locked down as I would be with the Samsung devices on Verizon and I can't switch to Tmobile because they have NO service in my area. This phone is gorgeous and has every specification I could ever ask for. I never used the stupid pen on my Note 2 and I never used the split screen either. I also think the price is fantastic all things considered, even though for some reason so many people are complaining about it. Nexus 6, 64gb, probably white, here I come. I never thought I would say this. Nexus got me with this phone.

My Nexus 5 got jacked few months back!! and I loved it. I was going to buy another but I held back and so I thought, I'd wait for the N6 to release before making my next purchase, I'm still reluctant though due to no known UK price but I had budgeted £450 for the release. But even this is looking unlikely with conversion from USD with VAT. So if I'm going to have to spend more, I really need to see reviews and maybe it in real life

Overheating Issues

Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?

The interesting thing is that my M8 also gets really hot when I use it, screen on and charging. Almost too hot to hold.
It may well be an issue with the HTC One phones and not the SoC. I don't know.

Maybe restart the phone again to see any applications not optimized/run properly? I'm also worried about this issue, hope there is fix otw

There's just an OTA out now which fixes the overheating.
Link: http://tweakers.net/reviews/3921/4/...nder-de-motorkap-de-64bit-snapdragon-810.html
Just because a device is shippped with release software, that doesn't mean it's final software.

This question is very easy to answer.
The HTC One M9 uses a S810 wich get hot faster than others recent SoCs used in iPhone 6 and S6.
Same thing happens in the LG G Flex 2 and both use heavy throttling to prevent the phone being too warm.
We can discuss why the S810 get warmer than Apple A7 and Exynos 7 but essentially, I think it's because A7 use less core with a lower frequency and Exynos 7 use a 14nm FinFET manufacturing process.

jaaystott said:
Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?
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Please check if there is an update available. The issue should've been fixed.

The M9 has been shown to run hot, even after the thermal throttling "hotfix", pun intended (hotter than its competition). This isn't even disputed anymore.
Why? I don't know, but damn, am I curious.
One suggestion is that they have processor hotspots not being dealt with due to a high localized power density... so while the SoC power is OK, two or more hotspots in a localized area are exacerbating the situation (they quickly make the situation run out of control).
It only take one hotspot to trip the Tjunction profile. The rest of the SoC could be running fine. And this is either a problem with the Thermal Profiling and Cooling Spec (design or data sheet) or the Snapdragon 810 itself.
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@th3
HTC One M9 - 41.7C
LG G3 - 42.6C
That's not hotter than competition. That's within the comptetion.

I can't help but think it is an issue with some handsets. I've read reviews that state that it isn't an issue and reviews that show some concern.
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Mr_Bartek said:
@th3
HTC One M9 - 41.7C
LG G3 - 42.6C
That's not hotter than competition. That's within the comptetion.
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You chose the hottest one?
If you read the major reviews, they still state it runs very skin warm.
M8, S6 and IP6 are the M9 competition. And upcoming G4. G3 isn't.
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@th3 - yes, because what you said was incorrect. Also, the difference between hottest and coolest is 3.6C. That's not a lot.

jaaystott said:
Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?
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The display and the battery performance are also worse.
I think Qualcomm has tried to cover the problem as much as they could but it's very obvious that they have screwed up with this processor, that they're even starting to talk about the "much better much cooler" S815 already.
It's not HTC's problem (nor was it LG's when they tried to pin it on LG earlier), it's the processor. All HTC (or LG) can do is try to cut the load on the processor and basically run it at lower speeds so it doesn't get too hot. Obviously that will impact the performance, but that's all they can do with the software updates. They will just try to find the right balance between temperature and performance.

I was avoiding the S6 because of the Exynos not being favored in the Rom-developing community. But the rumors-turned-facts about the 810 SoC have me worried. Not particularly blaming Qualcomm, but it seemed like this issue has had almost half a year to be ironed out.
I think the most troubling is that I've read the SoC's clock speed has been reduced to lower overheating, and the thing still overheats. So even if you've been waiting nearly 15 months for Snapdragon 810 like me because they said it'd be a beast, its disappointing to know that having the chip run ans intended might melt your phone.
Also even if early reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt, I've been hearing about underclocking, overheating, screen and boomsound quality being a step back from the M8's, and camera being not that great. I'm positive in time they might fix alot of the issues the early releases have been suffering from, but I am not one to wait many months longer for those updates. Just the updates to get a new android version can be grueling, so I can't imagine waiting for an update to make the device finally comfortable to use. With the S6 just a few weaks away, without all the nasty rumors the M9's been having, I just might have to bite the bullet.
The good news, I hear Exynos is naturally better at emulated gaming which is something I always consider when buying a new mobile device. The bad news, it isn't Qualcomm, and I already bought screen protectors and cases for the M9, despite it not being out yet in America
Edit: I take back what I said about getting an S6. I did a search on release date, and it's released in India for $950 for the 32GB model. Unless they can make the 64GB model less than $720 in America, I'm not interested. Which isn't likely. I would have already had a Xiomi Mi Note 4 Pro if the damn thing wasn't impossible to get, and would have got a G Flex 2 if it came with more RAM.

Mr_Bartek said:
@th3 - yes, because what you said was incorrect. Also, the difference between hottest and coolest is 3.6C. That's not a lot.
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Read the reviews. What you initially suggested is wrong and so is your selective comparison against the worst, non-competitor. It's still running hot, as every major review says. Even though it's not too much hotter, I agree and now acceptable to hold, it's still hotter, and still warm to hold.
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@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.

Mr_Bartek said:
@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.
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So the previous update wasn't dealing with the thermal?
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@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.
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that update underclocked cpu to 1.6 ghz i wouldnt say that a "fix"

I believe with people finally getting the phone, we will see if this problem is solved.

For a week I am using this gorgeous handheld, tons of blowing away emotions - no any significant overheat yet..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the software updates are, simply, throttling the chip to approx 1.5 it is no better than an m8, which I have ? Plus, Sense 7 will be on m8 "soon", so no need to upgrade.
Sense 7, custom, roms are available now.
NOT having "a go" at HTC, I've had about 7 different handsets in last 5 years.
Typing.......

Moto G4 Plus vs ZenFone 3 5.5

So here's the deal: I'm looking for a good secondary phone, and my options are the G4 Plus and the 5.5 inch ZenFone 3. They both have 5.5-inch 1080p displays, 16MP cameras, and 3000 mAh batteries, but that's where the similarities end. The G4 Plus boasts the name of a much more proven OEM behind it, stronger software support, cleaner software and for me, a better location for the fingerprint scanner, as well as a cost about $50 less where I live. The ZenFone has the newer, more powerful CPU that's leaps and bounds more efficient, likely a better camera, and a prettier design.
Software really is quite important for me, but then again, I love the idea of having a phone that doesn't need babying of its battery (a relative has the ZF3, and he can get two days of heavy use from it).

If you care about software experience, go with the G4 Plus. The ZenFone 3 has a much better SoC (Snapdragon 625) that doesn't overheat and is very efficient. From my experience, ASUS will update it Nougat but it's gonna take some time. It also has OIS.

AB__CD said:
The ZenFone has the newer, more powerful CPU that's leaps and bounds more efficient, likely a better camera
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The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage I bet that the 625 it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
Better camera - debatable. 23Mpix means that the low light capability will suffer. Sure you have supposedly some stabilization, but that won't stabilize the movement of the people, you will still see blurriness. That's my guess...
I had the previous Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE551KL) phone and it had some issues that made me sell it:
1. Used 64 bit Android. Took more space on the phone storage and RAM memory for no good reason. Unless the device has more than 4GB of RAM (mine had only 3), 64 bit is just dead weight.
The Moto Plus that I have has 4GB and is always under-occupied (true with 32 bit the apps and OS are smaller so they take less room).
2. The phone had so much extra software that needed to be rooted and bloatware removed. It was running warm from all the processes in the background and battery life sucked. Also, some it used non-standard system code that made things difficult (unstable) for the CM developers.
3. No band 12 in US, even if the FCC registration was showing that they had approval for it. The VoLTE came only via the upgrade to the MM, but was useless without band 12.
What I didn't like at the new Zenfone 3 is the fact that the LTE bands are not universal. I do travel between US and EU often, and I swap SIM cards.
What I like is that they kept the FHD resolution. The Quad HD from other manufacturers is just stupid use of resources and brings nothing extra to the table.

SoNic67 said:
The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
Better camera - debatable. 23Mpix means that the low light capability will suffer. Sure you have supposedly some stabilization, but that won't stabilize the movement of the people, you will still see blurriness. That's my guess...
I had the previous Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE551KL) phone and it had some issues that made me sell it:
1. Used 64 bit Android. Took more space on the phone storage and RAM memory for no good reason. Unless the device has more than 4GB of RAM (mine had only 3), 64 bit is just dead weight. The new Asus has 6GB... what for? Just for bragging rights?
The Moto Plus that I have has 4GB and is always under-occupied (true with 32 bit the apps and OS are smaller so they take less room).
2. The phone had so much extra software that needed to be rooted and bloatware removed. It was running warm from all the processes in the background and battery life sucked. Also, some it used non-standard system code that made things difficult (unstable) for the CM developers.
3. No band 12 in US, even if the FCC registration was showing that they had approval for it. The VoLTE came only via the upgrade to the MM, but was useless without band 12.
What I didn't like at the new Zenfone 3 is the fact that the LTE bands are not universal. I do travel between US and EU often, and I swap SIM cards.
What I like is that they kept the FHD resolution. The Quad HD from other manufacturers is just stupid use of resources and brings nothing extra to the table.
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I'm not talking about the Deluxe, I'm talking about the normal ZenFone 3 with a 16MP IMX298 sensor, 4GB RAM/64GB ROM, and the CPU is more efficient. 35% according to Qualcomm. Proven by the insane battery life from the Moto Z Play.

I edited the post before you quoted me.
However... marketing. Once you will start using the Asus you will see that is not that way. My Asus was based on 64 bit, memory usage was at least 30% higher, bloatware was eating into my battery - had to constantly kill processes. Using their camera app (very nice BTW) was a huge drain, phone was getting sooo hot. Can't tell if the newer Asus will suffer from the same, but I absolutely hated the constant feeling of a warm phone in my pocket.
However the LTE bands/compatibility for me is the most important thing and it seemed (3 months ago, when I was looking) that the Moto G4 Plus was better. I am not playing games on my phone, I do that on my desktop at home (if I have tiime) and when I travel, I have a tablet and a laptop with me.

SoNic67 said:
The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage I bet that the 652 it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
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It might not be "leaps and bounds" more efficient, but it's a LOT more efficient. The 617 in G4 Plus is made with 28nm while 625 is made with 14nm. Just take a look at this
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Not to mention the better GPU and noticeably better processing speed (4x1.5 GHz + 4x1.2 GHz vs 8x2.0 GHz).

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I edited the post before you quoted me.
However... marketing. Once you will start using the Asus you will see that is not that way. My Asus was based on 64 bit, memory usage was at least 30% higher, bloatware was eating into my battery - had to constantly kill processes. Using their camera app (very nice BTW) was a huge drain, phone was getting sooo hot. Can't tell if the newer Asus will suffer from the same, but I absolutely hated the constant feeling of a warm phone in my pocket.
However the LTE bands/compatibility for me is the most important thing and it seemed (3 months ago, when I was looking) that the Moto G4 Plus was better. I am not playing games on my phone, I do that on my desktop at home (if I have tiime) and when I travel, I have a tablet and a laptop with me.
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Gotcha. I see your point, but I don't have a very positive impression of Moto QA either, as my previous Moto phone, the 2nd Gen X, suffered so many issues I replaced it within 4 months: faulty power key that broke within a month of use, issuing a defective Android 5.1 update that soft bricked my phone on the first install, and after resetting and losing all my data but successfully installing the update, bringing a lagging camera that persisted through factory resets (it would take 3 seconds every time the camera opened to be ready for a shot, which is just inexcusable in a modern phone), battery consistently shutting off at 20-30% as well as on one occassion, lasting a whole 8 minutes from a full charge to zero percent, and getting crazy hot in the process, and then an utterly rude phone agent from Motorola UK when I asked if I could have my Singapore-bought unit replace its battery (with me paying for the battery) in the UK (not that them not entertaining the replacement is new or strange, but the completely rude agent was).

Haha... MotoX was my previous phone (still works with my kid) and I had no issues. But mine was US-assembled (had a offer for it to be customized for free, ordered from Moto directly). That's what made me go back to Moto. Ah, the Zenfone 2 Laser - besides being warm most of the time in my pocket, the camera wasn't that great in low light either, the Moto G4 Plus camera is really good IMO.
Well, if you decide for Asus please come back here (or post a link) for your observations. I am curious.

Well I think you should go for Asus......
As you said this will be your second phone.
Asus phones are pretty solid and damn hard.My sis has Asus zenfone selfie(Good Camera) and Moto G2.Both seems to be solid as compared to G4 Plus.So you can expect Asus zenfone 3 to be solid.
As far as the chipset is concerned the SD 625 is way better than SD 617.You can check that out in benchmarks.
Software updates is a problem for Asus.

That's cool, more power to you. For you, maybe the Asus 3 (ZS550KL) is worth the extra $100 (33%) price premium.
To me it was not worth it, in 6 months something else will be shiny. After all... it's just a phone. That's all.

I had a zenfone 2 and I replaced it (actually warranty replacement 3 times (once for no wifi/bad touchscreen, once for overheating, and once for no charge condition.
>>> I WILL say that the Warranty process with Asus was QUITE Delightful, and PAINLESS!!! <<<
best warranty repair process I ever had.
I replaced the ZF2 with this MotoG4Plus, and I hate both of them. given the choice, having less problems with the G4Plus.
ehh. I would have bought the new google pixel, but I believe they STILL have no external storage (drats to you GOOGLE...)
Perfect would be: Pixel xl, with REMOVABLE battery, and external storage for $400-500 USD.
.. PS.. ONE MAJOR improvement of ZF2 over this G4Plus is the fact that the 'tethering entitlement' bull**** is NOT present, and thus did not have to bypass on the ZenFone ... THIS is a huge pain for me, as I am unlimited ..grandfathered on at&t.

Why do you mean by tethering entitlement? I have Cricket and, with the unlocked phones, it just works, so I assumed that it is disabled too.
Plus I couldn't find the build.prop settings for that.
Not that I am using it, since it would be against the TOS

Upgrade to s22 ultra?

I know folks miss the note 21 ultra,
Samsung will annouce its S22 ULTRA, SOON
Will you upgrade, and why>?

I'm fiercely debating with myself whether to or not. My deciding factor will be SOT {battery life.)
Every flagship android device at this point (not just Samsung) is starting to lose its identity trying to be the next iPhone. It's not working out for them IMHO. They've eliminated the headphone jack, IR blaster, SD card and now can't even bother to include a charger in the box. The prices have crept up to iPhonesque level on top of this.
But the biggest concern I have is how mainstream flagship android devices' battery life (SOT) have been left behind by Apple's Pro Max flagship series. I'm seeing comparison battery life videos and reviews everywhere where said flagship devices are being dumbed down and compared to just the pro model instead. That's how bad it is. People are getting legit 3-4 days of SOT with the 13 Pro Max and no one here can the say the same for their android/ galaxy devices unless they're rocking the bottom of the mill set like the Motorola G Power..
I wish more people would focus on this and bring it to their attention. As much as I despise Apple, I grudgingly admit that they have pretty much caught up with hardware specs matching their excellent software and now exceeded beyond that. They have class leading camera and video quality and now added out of this world battery life on top of this. If that hideous notch finally goes away as its been rumored with the 14 pro max, I don't see any reason not to finally go to the dark side...
I love my N20 Ultra (everything except the SOT) and use the S-Pen quite a bit so I'll look at the S22 Ultra and its rumored 5000mAh battery performance once its released. I'm not holding my breath though so once the S22 Ultra is released- unless a crazily unbelievable trade in deal valuation isn't offered by Samsung for my Note, this will be my last one.

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I'm fiercely debating with myself whether to or not. My deciding factor will be SOT {battery life.)
Every flagship android device at this point (not just Samsung) is starting to lose its identity trying to be the next iPhone. It's not working out for them IMHO. They've eliminated the headphone jack, IR blaster, SD card and now can't even bother to include a charger in the box. The prices have crept up to iPhonesque level on top of this.
But the biggest concern I have is how mainstream flagship android devices' battery life (SOT) have been left behind by Apple's Pro Max flagship series. I'm seeing comparison battery life videos and reviews everywhere where said flagship devices are being dumbed down and compared to just the pro model instead. That's how bad it is. People are getting legit 3-4 days of SOT with the 13 Pro Max and no one here can the say the same for their android/ galaxy devices unless they're rocking the bottom of the mill set like the Motorola G Power..
I wish more people would focus on this and bring it to their attention. As much as I despise Apple, I grudgingly admit that they have pretty much caught up with hardware specs matching their excellent software and now exceeded beyond that. They have class leading camera and video quality and now added out of this world battery life on top of this. If that hideous notch finally goes away as its been rumored with the 14 pro max, I don't see any reason not to finally go to the dark side...
I love my N20 Ultra (everything except the SOT) and use the S-Pen quite a bit so I'll look at the S22 Ultra and its rumored 5000mAh battery performance once its released. I'm not holding my breath though so once the S22 Ultra is released- unless a crazily unbelievable trade in deal valuation isn't offered by Samsung for my Note, this will be my last one.
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great reply, man!
We have no idea about the new processor yet
The iPhone a15 processor is a beast in both performace and battery management.

I just got my Note 20 ultra 5G last month and I wont upgrade for a long time. S22 does not bring much of an upgrade, and money does not grow on trees for me
I also have no interest in iPhones at all.

dj24 said:
I'm fiercely debating with myself whether to or not. My deciding factor will be SOT {battery life.)
Every flagship android device at this point (not just Samsung) is starting to lose its identity trying to be the next iPhone. It's not working out for them IMHO. They've eliminated the headphone jack, IR blaster, SD card and now can't even bother to include a charger in the box. The prices have crept up to iPhonesque level on top of this.
But the biggest concern I have is how mainstream flagship android devices' battery life (SOT) have been left behind by Apple's Pro Max flagship series. I'm seeing comparison battery life videos and reviews everywhere where said flagship devices are being dumbed down and compared to just the pro model instead. That's how bad it is. People are getting legit 3-4 days of SOT with the 13 Pro Max and no one here can the say the same for their android/ galaxy devices unless they're rocking the bottom of the mill set like the Motorola G Power..
I wish more people would focus on this and bring it to their attention. As much as I despise Apple, I grudgingly admit that they have pretty much caught up with hardware specs matching their excellent software and now exceeded beyond that. They have class leading camera and video quality and now added out of this world battery life on top of this. If that hideous notch finally goes away as its been rumored with the 14 pro max, I don't see any reason not to finally go to the dark side...
I love my N20 Ultra (everything except the SOT) and use the S-Pen quite a bit so I'll look at the S22 Ultra and its rumored 5000mAh battery performance once its released. I'm not holding my breath though so once the S22 Ultra is released- unless a crazily unbelievable trade in deal valuation isn't offered by Samsung for my Note, this will be my last one.
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Very good detailed comment. i dont like that Samsung/Android Phones took away IR Blaster and all the good stuff to be like Iphone. i been Always a android person but now seriously thinking about looking else where.... specially if Samsung is really going to take away SD card slot... if they want to take that away they should offer Unlimited cloud storage like google offers with Pixel phones.
Other wise there is no doubt about Iphone's processor being a beast and they are ahead in Camera and SOT.

I'll stay put, my note does everything I ask of it. I don't need 3-4 days battery as every single day I've been alive in my 50 years I've had electricity or means to charge. We've fallen into this cycle that every year or two we need a new phone, thank the carriers for that as is simply not true. I don't need a sports car that can go 200mph, I drive 70-75 as that's what's realistic.

I will go for s22 ultra if there is a sd card slot.

Coming from Asus ROG 3 (and even compared to OP7 Pro}, the battery life of Note 20 ultra is disappointing (I've got the SD variant; heard that Exynos variant battery life is even worse).
5,000 mA battery for S22U sounds better - will await overall device reviews before deciding.

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I will go for s22 ultra if there is a sd card slot.
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This. Any news regarding SD card slot for s22 ultra?

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This. Any news regarding SD card slot for s22 ultra?
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A lot of YouTube videos say no sd card slot, but I really hope s22u like note20u with sd card slot.

I'm guessing it'll have hybrid Dual SIM/SD card slot like its predecessors.

Unless I see something that screams "NO" (Which I really don't expect) I fully plan on upgrading.

No SD Card, no buy.

Will decide once we have the concrete specs. But initially I like it. S22Ultra is practically a Note 20Ultra successor. S naming is just for marketing I think.

No sdcard. nope.... i won't make another Note 5 mistake.

I don't think so. The price wil be high (€1249/€1349/€1449) and the front just looks like the Note 20 Ultra, the S22 Ultra is even 0.1" smaller.
Better camera's, Soc and QHD+/120Hz is nice, but for the high price not worth the upgrade.
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For the price that high and no sd card slot, I will still use n20u.

Yup, now that the Note 20 Ultra supports dual sim, I have no need to upgrade. Will be selling my iPhone 12 and Fold 3 now.

I was going to. Spent hours fighting with the Samsung website today. Then I learned that MST is gone. I use Samsung Pay on a lot of old POS machines.
Samsung even pulled the tradeins of the website for a while.
Without MST I have no reason to stick with Samsung. They are just being a pain to deal with.

I just ordered my S22 Ultra. First Galaxy S I've owned since the Note 8 came out. Been Note since then.
My Z Fold 3 is my daily driver, but I keep my N20U around as a backup device on a secondary line. Really wasn't considering trading in, but if you go through Samsung.com and choose TMo, it drops the price of the S22 Ultra 256GB a full $100 cheaper than the other carriers or unlocked. Plus with online activation that knocked off another $50. Trade in for the N20U was $800. It was $600 through everyone else. Brought the price down to $349.
Then I traded in my Galaxy Watch 4 for $120 and used $250 credit toward a Galaxy Watch 4 Classic (I missed that physical bezel). After tax, I'm spending $330 for the S22 Ultra and the Galaxy Watch 4 Classic. Seemed like a no brainer to me.
This is the first carrier branded device I've purchased in a few years, but it'll be paid off and I can unlock it in I believe 45 days. Flash the factory unlocked firmware for a bloat free experience and I'll never know the difference.
I'll actually keep this one a couple years, unless the S23 Ultra does something just totally amazing. Plus I'll be saving up to get the ZF4 if it's a big upgrade over my ZF3.
So TL;DR - If you're a. TMo customer it's a no brainer. It's only $349. Even less if you go direct through TMo and don't mind the bill credits. I didn't want to deal with Bill credits and the $250 samsung store credit made up the difference in my mind.