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Xperia Z5P the conclusion (Really Disappointed)

I'm posting this as i think Sony doesn't know what they are doing anymore, they are not in control of their mobile dev department, its a real mess.
After years of experiencing android market, Sony reinventing the wheel every time they come up with something new, the latest example is the Z5 series
they released a device with half a day battery life under fair usage, they are marketing it as a 2 days battery ready
they forgot to add the correct drivers for the bluetooth and wifi, that's why the bower consumption is really high when both left on without connecting to BT headset or Wi-Fi
the camera is far from the expectations, lagy, hardly focus, image optimization is at the worst, extremely noisy, file size is at the highest, please do a fair comparison between this camera and any other mid-range device, even Huawei doing much better than Sony camera, the weird thing is they are selling their camera module to most of the high-end manufacturers, but others knows how to perfectly use this module.
even their own apps like "Smart Connect" it doesn't trigger the required action upon device pairing to a bluetooth for example
Stamina Clock disconnects the mobile data believe me it does
"Adaptive Brightness" is not correctly functioning, it extremely exposure the screen brightness for seconds before it detects the correct settings
sound drivers are sh*^%&t, stereo speakers are not well calibrated, and after every Facebook call or disconnecting noise cancelling headset, I have to readjust ringer and call volumes again
Sony fans stay away please, no need for (my device lasts for full 5 years with only 10% battery) as this is a lie, I factory rest and repaired my device 6 times with all possible settings before I post this, this post is not for you guys, I was a Sony fan, starting from Xperia Z, Z1, Z2, Z3, and finally this sh%^ty Z5P, and unfortunately am an advanced user and i know Sony mobiles behavior
Good luck everyone, stay away from Sony mobiles this year if you care about your money, you won't be satisfied unless you are a beginner, or you have the patience to wait for months for an update to fix a bug and bug another, till finally after ages they fix their firmware.

Be Happy Story Teller
hahah you sure bro ? you got all that problem in your phone ? is that even legit Sony product or maybe you buy the cloned one hahahha . I think the problem is you or let's say your phone only because every error that you mentioned is all just story .
1. My phone takes almost 2 day before it drain : game , facebook , music . Also i think you need to learn to read , Sony announced it 2days in Standby mode , really are you fan of Sony . Nice story .
2.Do you know the correct drivers your talking about ? My wifi is on always i dont get that problem.
3. LMAO the CAMERA this one , really ? Sony Camera is SUPERB ! Even my friends who used Samsung , Iphones they know Z5 Camera is better . This the best hahaha .
4.Smart Connect ? Even this one you got problem hahahahah !
5.I used Stamina Clock and I can still use mobile data with LTE .
6.The adaptive brightness is very good also . You know i dont know whats your problem retarded hahaha .
7.Lastly the Music , ow common . Sony's Stereo is great .
Dont listen to this guy claiming he is a Sony Fan hahahah . Its easy to say that your a Sony Fan . Actually your a great Story Teller on the other side . Laughing very hard to this post haha . Almost all the details in the phone you got the problem seriously ? Your too obvious . I pity you , all story that you mentioned i didnt even got one . I hope i have atleast one ! hahahah
True Sony Z5 Series Xperia User can tell it . I know others will get some problems just like all other phones but not all the problems that you mentioned . Cool Story Bro ! Cheers
Im very proud with this phone.
Z5 Premium Dual User

Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links

Hossam.Abdelsalam said:
Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links
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You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers

bahkata said:
You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?

Which version of the premium do you have? Is it dual? Is it E6883? I wonder if bugs are only in certain versions of the phone. Especially the battery issue. I got the dual E6883 and I feel like the battery is not lasting how it should.

jordy787 said:
I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off

bahkata said:
Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it
gd luck
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Probably when the marshmallow update drops soon it will be alot better huh? Yeah the camera button would be nice !! i wanted a rear camera closest to a dslr so the z5p is probably that. I heard the z5p has a better stabilizer..Do you think a new model z5p will drop soon? i guess thats my main concern, i dont want the phone to depreciate after Christmas and i know iphones dont hardly do that haha. Hows your battery life ??
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bahkata said:
Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off
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edit: Do they still have that black friday promo? lol and i should probably get a iphone 6s plus then since i can easily resell it for alot (seem to hold value). i found a 6s plus 128gb for $700 new

Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.

bahkata said:
Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.
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2 days seems amazing, on my s6 edge plus i sold i got around 10hrs only with probably 2-3sot. Guess i gotta think this through lol... do you have any camera samples? or any samples on instagram or something ?

Thats quite disappointing. People here don't like it when they get "only" 4-5 hrs SOT on the Z5P
check here -> http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5_premium-review-1344.php
loads of samples and a decent review

bahkata said:
You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment

Hossam.Abdelsalam said:
Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment
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Im originally from Bulgaria, mate. I don't have to imagine. But being from the third world you must also be aware that the lowest quality batches get send there and you need to be extra careful. As far as warranty goes, there is no such thing as "no warranty" with a big name brand. You can always send it to a Sony service center outside your country. You just have to communicate that through the correct channels. I managed to do it with a Nokia and a Samsung in my teens. You are a big boy, you'll figure it out
Now the disappointment part. It's not the feeling I am referring to. It's the process you are going through to handle it. This is a forum where people come together to be helpful/get help. Thanks to topics and posts like yours it is becoming a mundane and unhelpful place where people come to vent and whine without really seeking a solution, which makes it a less helpful place. Essentially you are making the world a ****tier place. By a very little amount of course, but it contributes
What was wrong with posting in the Q&A, troubleshooting section, explaining your problems and ask nicely if people have the same and what could be a solution?
Also don't be mad at Yolo. He has the right to be frustrated, just cannot express it very well.

I have the 6853 and honestly it works great... The camera is definitely better than the iPhone 6S+...my wife uses that and I took a ton of pictures using both...the Sony is considerably better...no phone is perfect but right now I don't think there's anything better than the Z5P...Android M will be out soon and it will only get better...the one thing that Sony is wrong on is Battery....as a heavy user, I get one full day usage, not 2...but its usually hovering around 15-20% when I finally put it back on the charger...another thing I noticed was that Sony's quick charger is slower than others...I have a $9 certified Qualcomm quick charger I got from Amazon that charges the phone from 2-3% to 100% in one hour...and I get it up to like 70% in 30-35 minutes.

Only battery drain a little bit too fast other then is perfect for me.
Before z5p I had use moto x prue ,nexus 6p, lumia 950xl but I feel z5p is better one

i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun

ivrsn_des said:
i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun
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I am still using my Z1 and it has never had a single issue in over two years but I am contemplating getting the Z5 Premium in black.
How would you rate it next to the Z1, take into consideration that o have not used or owned any other Z series device.
Would it be a massive jump and difference in user experience, in a positive manner?

jordy787 said:
I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.

fancymans said:
I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.
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i ended up ordering a 6s+ on ebay haha thanks for replying back! I know exactly what you mean, they haven't optimized the camera yet for snapchat i had that happen with my old g4 ..only way to fix that is to use the 3rd party snapchat app called "casper" it allows you to use original camera app. idk what it is but iphones always tend to have the better front camera even with being a lower resolution. Main reason i did not get the z5p is because there is rumors with the z6 plus/ultra coming out soon so i would rather stick with something that wont depreciate yenno

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Zuk Z2 PRO really Worth it?

Hi, i was at only a "click" to buy this phone, ( I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones.) so this was a perfect fit for me... But then i did a bit of research and i found that the camera is not good, there are very few ROM support, no one bug free, no LinageOS support, the Zui are "not for everyone" and there is only english and chinese official versions, lack of perfect fit screen protection... and then in the forum "ZukFans" i saw some members selling their Zuk Z2 Pro after a week of use...
With all of this drawback the phone still worth it? I dont have money to buy another phone if this doesnt fit me. I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones. This have the 4G band that i use, powerful SOC, 6GB Ram, the perfect screen size, and "in paper a good camera".
Please be honest about this, I do not believe in the reviews, only in what the community thinks. Thanks!

The biggest things wrong with the phone are that there is no expandable notifications or quick replay and no lock screen widgets (music play buttons etc). The buttons on the notification bar work, but you can't see the name or the thumbnail (at least with spotify and google play). The camera has gotten improvement, including full manual controls in the nougat update. I don't think it's terrible. It works ok. If camera is a focus for you maybe find something else. The flash is a bit warm and not very bright from what I found.
Some people are having probs with notifications too, but personally I haven't had an issue. You need to mess with safe center to make sure that it keeps the apps in memory, and allow notifications. If you don't it'll auto close the app to conserve battery.
There is someone working on an unofficial Linage ROM, but we'll see what comes of it.

Beside camera it is a beast.i would rather prefer my old mi5 camera.it was just best.even better than samsung and iphone.price you it is really woth it.especially 6gb ram and 128 storage is a big advantage.as i said only thing bothers me is a quality of camera.thats all

maxionline said:
Hi, i was at only a "click" to buy this phone, ( I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones.) so this was a perfect fit for me... But then i did a bit of research and i found that the camera is not good, there are very few ROM support, no one bug free, no LinageOS support, the Zui are "not for everyone" and there is only english and chinese official versions, lack of perfect fit screen protection... and then in the forum "ZukFans" i saw some members selling their Zuk Z2 Pro after a week of use...
With all of this drawback the phone still worth it? I dont have money to buy another phone if this doesnt fit me. I dont like 5.5 huge smartphones. This have the 4G band that i use, powerful SOC, 6GB Ram, the perfect screen size, and "in paper a good camera".
Please be honest about this, I do not believe in the reviews, only in what the community thinks. Thanks!
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I very much liked the camera, it works very well. Nearly all photos I took came out nicely. I can compare the cam to a few phones, including iPhone, and I think it does a good enough job.
As to ROM support - there is not much of it. Stock was fine with me, no issues, but some privacy concerns. We are talking about China here...
In the long run, I am not sure about ROM support from ZUK. If they stop updating it, this phone is basically dead.
If you want no larger phone, how about a Huawei P9 or even Nova?
I sold my Z2 Pro and kept my Sony Xperia X which really has a poor cam but very good software support on their Concept path. I'm on 7.1.1 with security patch from Jan 2017...

well, seems not a good choice after all to buy this phone, so dissapointed. And seems that will be forgotten so fast... that scares me. I cant understand why is happening this to a smartphone with brilliant specs... Thanks very much for your replies!

SammyVDA said:
I very much liked the camera, it works very well. Nearly all photos I took came out nicely. I can compare the cam to a few phones, including iPhone, and I think it does a good enough job.
As to ROM support - there is not much of it. Stock was fine with me, no issues, but some privacy concerns. We are talking about China here...
In the long run, I am not sure about ROM support from ZUK. If they stop updating it, this phone is basically dead.
If you want no larger phone, how about a Huawei P9 or even Nova?
I sold my Z2 Pro and kept my Sony Xperia X which really has a poor cam but very good software support on their Concept path. I'm on 7.1.1 with security patch from Jan 2017...
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Thanks for the suggestions, but i like phones with physical home button (i hate the on screen back-home-menu buttons), the other thing i dont like are the black borders like the LeEco Phones.

Would like to use this thread, not create new one.
Could You tell mi if it's still worth considering? Right now?
I'm looking for new device. First choice is/was LG V20. Thought that after V30 will be out, the proce will drop and I will get it, but unfortunately 2nd display is not working on custom Roms, I cannot stand stocks, so it makes it nothing special...
Than I remembered Z2 and now Im thinking about it. It's pretty cheap for it's insides. Have custom rom support, which doesn't make important features unusable. As for camera I have Moto X Play and Xperia Z2 (coincidence? Don't think so!), which are really nice, so I can survive how it works on nonstock roms.
Only think I hate is that I seem not find any black version of Zuk (GSMArena states that there is one), but I think I survive white device
Could You tell me if everything works fine? How fast GPS gets fix? Does BT drops a lot? Anyone uses BT headphones? Hows the sound (I have AWEI A920BL and maybe they are not the best, but for bicycle they are awesome)?
I mean on custom Roms, like AEX.
Is it hard to mod? I have modded many devices, even Lenovo ones, but never had Lenovo with Snapdragon
Is there any chance for brick when unlocking bootloader (does it have to be done?), rooting, flashing TWRP?
How many versions of Z2 Pro are there? One I'm considering is Z2121. Does it makes modding more difficult or something?

Well I will try to answer a few of your questions:
Is phone worth buying? Yes, but of course only if you cannot find comparable device with better price and better community support. SD820 will perform great for a long time.
Black version was hopelessly sold-out long ago but white version is also nice.
GPS on stock was lightning fast, usually fixed in around 5 secs. On AEX in 20-30 secs, but I have used it only once since flashing so maybe next time will be better.
Bluetooth - no problem with car radio connection, works like a charm both on stock and AEX.
There is always chance for bricking, but follow instructions and you are safe. There are no brutal 100 step howtos with huge red warning like "One mistake and kiss your device goodbye".

That's what I need to hear. With GPS it may be place where You were trying to get fix. Have and had a lot of devices and mostly 3-5 secs was needed.
As for comparable device I don't see any. 820 is still great, 6 GB RAM will be enough for next few years. 128 GB is even to much for me (still would love to have SD slot, but with this space I can survive without one).
As for bricking I was afraid coz there were some devices I modded which could be very easily bricked. Never happen, but considering how easy is to mod Xperia or Moto... let's say I would prefer for every phone be that easy
What about this Z2121? Is it something special version? Chinese or ROW one? Or all Z2 Pro are Z2121 and I'm just looking for something were nothing is too look for?

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That's what I need to hear. With GPS it may be place where You were trying to get fix. Have and had a lot of devices and mostly 3-5 secs was needed.
As for comparable device I don't see any. 820 is still great, 6 GB RAM will be enough for next few years. 128 GB is even to much for me (still would love to have SD slot, but with this space I can survive without one).
As for bricking I was afraid coz there were some devices I modded which could be very easily bricked. Never happen, but considering how easy is to mod Xperia or Moto... let's say I would prefer for every phone be that easy
What about this Z2121? Is it something special version? Chinese or ROW one? Or all Z2 Pro are Z2121 and I'm just looking for something were nothing is too look for?
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Z2121 is the real name of this phone^^ like SM-XXXX for Samsung phones.
For me GPS is 5-7 second to fix on AEX 4.6
Just one thing on AEX we have to mod the build.prop and change ro.product.model=Z2 Pro to ro.product.model=Z2122 because it's the name on stock ROM and without this we don't have 60 fps on YouTube and all Play Store apps.
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And for the price, specs and developers community are amazing ! S820, UFS 2.0 memory, 6GB LDDR4 RAM, Super AMOLED screen, f/1.8 13 Mpxl camera, glass/metal body and PHYSICAL HOME BUTTON !

Thanks. So now I have to convince myself to spend 200€
Physical Home sounds good, but I prefer phones with bigger screen and OSB, so I can turn them off, install LMT and use PIE

Just wanted to say thet ordered ZUK today. So month-two and there will be new device for me to play with

[QESTION][SUGGESTION] Alternative For The OnePlus 5 ?

I don't know about you guys , but i'm disappointed by the OP5 ... and regretting the fact that i waited nearly a full year for it , now i need another phone , and i think most of you do as well , it's the main reason people didn't wanna return their phones , because there are no alternatives that has :
-Stock or Stock-ish android experience ( or dev community support for custom roms and all .. )
-overall great camera ( specially dual lenses , you can do great things with a dual shooter )
-high end specs ( SD835 , at least 6GB of RAM for heavy multitasking and installing a LOT of apps , bluetooth 5 , UFS 2,1 ... it is actually faster and has a significant impact on performance etc etc ... )
-Unlocked and multiband support ( i live in algeria ... u probably never heard of it , so no verison or AT&T ... )
i don't care about a 4K display , i was very please with that FHD amoled one
i don't care about bezels ... in fact i love them , they give more grip more protection and more natural look n feel
i don't care about SD card slots , i prefer putting all my data in one partition
i don't care about iris scanners or squeeze features ... BULL**** to me
i don't care about VR ... it's useless in out era IMO
i don't care about price , as long as it is not like 1000 dollars
i don't give that much importance to water resistance ... even though it will be appreciated
i don't give that much importance to design ... i want my phone to be beautiful but i don't care that it looks like another phone
i can't live without a phone that i can't root and fully customize and flash mods on and tune my audio and everything ... i never owned a flagship , all my life been running off of chineese phones with 1GB of ram and a MTK Soc but trust me i went far with em ... now i need a good phone .
by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
Cheers

Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.

roba93 said:
Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
Cheers
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Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really

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Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.
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Yes that is exactly what's holding me back from it

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Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really
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Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
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Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.

roba93 said:
Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
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Not only it is expensive , but with an old chipset and less ram and the ugliest desing ever and back fingerprint sensor ... nah man
plus even if i wait for the pixel 2 ... that's gonna be like napalm for my wallet ! nah ...
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
thank you soo much for your help my friend

I think mine is dope

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Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.
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First off , in 6 months of browsing in XDA , this is the best reply i have ever recieved :victory:
i am exactly like you , i could never agree more ... but i really don't like the other choices ... hear me out
1-the latest device of oppo is the OPPO R11 plus ... which is like the ****ing deformated twin brother of the OP5 : same design look but the OP5 looks better and feels more premium ...and lower specs ( snapdragon 660 ? srsly ? )
and i've never been a fan of oppo phones and their UI that craves to be IOS like ... so i can't really go with that .
2-ZTE axon 7 is a really great phone , but last year's great phone , i wanna buy a phone that i won't swap for like 2 years , and this one is already pretty old , and i honestly can't let go of the SD835 andreno 540 , 8gigs of ram , DUAL cam , bluetooth 5 , gorilla glass 5 , front mounted fingerprint scanner etc ... i don't give much importance to the front firing speaker because i don't use it that much ... but the audio quality over the jack is verryyyyy important to me , as i said i never go with a phone without a sound mod applied , but the ZTE axon 7 just seems lacking a lot of the features here so it ain't attrackting me
3-will never consider the 3T because the 5 has everything the 3T has in a better way ... straight up
4-pixel 2 is actually my only choice except the OP5 ... but the price is gonna be radioactive , and the wait till nov/dec is really not pleasing , as i said i am running over multiple chineese phones that are loow ****ing end ... can't take it anymore i need something good
now honestly i haate the Samsung eco system ... and i hate the bother of looking for universal versions just for convinience , plus i don't trust the exynos ones i'd rather take a Snapdragon , but those are the ones that u can't do anything to ... what a shame
i am also reading all the threads about the OP5 ... and the only thing that really gets to me is the camera , i have a dslr ... but i really wanna experience one of the best phone cameras , because u can pretty much guess based on the phones i use that their camera is more than trash ... i never actually use them ... so if they fix the camera next month i will probably pick one ... if not , maybe i'll wait for the pixel 2 ...
thank you very much for your help ! :highfive:

Rebel7022 said:
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how is your experience with the camera ?

ReyTheBoss said:
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
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Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.

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how is your experience with the camera ?
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I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera up & improve it

auntyvirus said:
Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.
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a bit agressive here but you are right ... it is just that the camera of the OP5 was supposed to be THE "feauture" , the whole marketing point , not the biggest flaw of the device ... and it's almost a deal breaker ...
plus this thread is for all people not just for me , i am positive that a lot of people are in the same spot as me
and i know how it'll go , either i accept the OP5 or patience and time will show :good:

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I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera & improve it
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cool my friend thank you for the reply ... i can't wait to please my flash addiction one i get my hand on it then

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a bit agressive here...
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It wasn't my intention to be aggressive or put anyone down. Rather it was to set expectations. You've asked a very good question. It's just that I doubt there's a good answer.
I've been looking for a replacement for my Nexus 5 for many months now. I finally decided to go with the OP5. Despite some minor quibbles, I'm keeping mine.
Yes, many people are in the same or similar situation as you. But if there was some other phone that had all of the positive features of the OP5, also addressed the negative ones, and cost no more than the OP5, I'm sure it would have been mentioned here. That it hasn't suggests either that (1) such a phone doesn't exist or that (2) everyone has their own individual set of criteria so no consensus can be reached.

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by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers

Ale08 said:
I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers
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so again it goes back to the OnePlus 5 ... and all the criticism aside , it's a ****ing great phone , i might just stop *****ing about it and start seeing the good side of it XD that implies for everybody else :highfive:

Even though you don't care about any of the features that are distinguishing many of 2017's flagships, there are some that have those features and can still fit your criteria:
1. HTC U11. It is bootloader unlockable from the factory, so you can play with it to your hearts content.
2. Sony Xperia XZ Premium. Recently was added to their developer program, which will allow you to mod it, as well.
3. LG G6 US997. If in the US, this specific model has been added to the unlockable models list and LG tends to have a healthy following (even with the dreaded bootloop issue).
4. OnePlus 3T. As good as the OnePlus 5 in many ways and better in many others (no jelly like scrolling, massive custom development scene).
5. Google Pixel. No explanations necessary.

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i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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www.kimovil.com is a pretty good page to compare and or find a phone that match your demands.
im more concerned about custom rom and developer community.

Alternatives with decent camera and great battery?

Hi guys,
currently im looking for a new device to replace my old Nexus5.
I'm often on the road and use the phone for music and navigation and
the device should last one whole day with heavy usage. Also the camera
should produce decent pictures at daylight (and at night if possible).
I dont play any games on my phone but use many apps. The gps
should work quite good cause I'd use my phone for bike trips etc. as well
and need the tracking of my route.
Budget
- 200€ +-
Must Haves
- 5"-6"
- EU-LTE frequences with B20
- 64GB
- fast fingerprint sensor
- good camera (day n night)
- quality processing
Nice2Have
- USB-C
- protection against splash water
- micro-sim slot
- bezel-less design
Not rly important
- headphone jack
My favorites
1. Elephone S8
2. Vernee Mix 2
3. Doogee Mix 2
4. Umidigi S2
5. Xiaomi Mi A1
There would be no problem if the MiA1 would have the battery of the umidigi and the design of the elephone. But at the moment I have no idea which phone to take.
there isnt much information about the doogee mix2 but if this device would have a decent camera sensor with a functional bouquet mode I'd take this.
Are there any alternatives in this price range (+50€ maybe)?
If you have to decide between those phones, which one you would take and why?
Are there any points of criticism for those brands or phones?
Hope this is the correct forum.
Thanks for your help,
Cheerio

I have had an elephone p6000 and a umi super in the past, I can not really recommend some of these companies (also based on some of your requirements)
Elephone: This company has not been providing good software support in the past. They provided a few updates then abandoned the device in favour of the next one. The camera wasn't too great either despite being advertised as a quality sensor with decent resolution for the time (not top tier, but higher than other phones in the same budget range) - but it made acceptable shots. So I had about 6 months of software support and during that time the low build quality showed itself as the volume rocker started to get flakey. When I was looking to get a new phone, the Elephone S8 was also in my list of possible candidates but for me imediatelly lost out due to it not sporting a 3.5mm headphone jack (you don't mind, though) or a microSD card slot (I am not entirely sure if that's what you meant when you said micro-sim as pretty much every device nowadays will sport a micro or nano sim slot anyways)
UMIDIGI: Now, the build quality of my phone wasn't perfect from the beginning, there were rough edges around the antenna lines but all in all the device felt solid. They supported the device for about 12 months with updates which didn't seem too bad to me. However, the phone had a major drawback: Despite allegedly sporting a 13Mp panasonic sensor, the camera was *horrible*. All over the review sites you found people claiming the camera was decent, but it was not., it would only work in bright light and if it wasn't ideal you could not actually make out anything on the pictures. And, as it turned out, the build quality of the device was not only mediocre on the outside, but obviously even worse on the inside as my screen failed electronically after about 12 months. I have seen a few other people with the same issue on the Super and I have already seen one report on the UMIDIGI S2 forums with people having the exact same fault after 2 weeks with their S2. So be careful if you decide to get one of those. Reports on the internet also mention that the camera on the S2 is horrible. Now I can't confirm this, but to me it seems that UMIDIGI is always hyping their cameras and can't deliver.
Either way, I'd recommend to get a device with a Qualcomm chipset (snapdragon) over a Mediatek chipset (Helio) as Mediatek doesn't release their sourcecode most of the time which results in little to no support for custom roms but that's something you have to decide.
I can't really say much about the Vernee or Dogee devices but on german forums I have found a few mentions that Vernee quality can be hit and miss as well.

wow thank you very much for your interesting and helpflu answer. I also read realy bad reviews about the brands especially about the early products but cherished the hope that they improved the quality of the newer devices.
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microSD card slot (I am not entirely sure if that's what you meant when you said micro-sim as pretty much every device nowadays will sport a micro or nano sim slot anyways).
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Oh sure, I thought about the microSD-slot.
Localhorst86 said:
When I was looking to get a new phone, the Elephone S8 was also in my list of possible candidates but for me imediatelly lost out due to it not sporting a 3.5mm headphone jack (you don't mind, though) or a microSD card slot
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So if you could ignore these points would you still mention to buy the phone or did the company lost all his credit with you?
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UMIDIGI [....] Despite allegedly sporting a 13Mp panasonic sensor, the camera was *horrible*. All over the review sites you found people claiming the camera was decent, but it was not., it would only work in bright light and if it wasn't ideal you could not actually make out anything on the pictures. [...] Reports on the internet also mention that the camera on the S2 is horrible. Now I can't confirm this, but to me it seems that UMIDIGI is always hyping their cameras and can't deliver.
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I guess it's the same with the S2. I've watched several reviews on youtube or elsewhere and the pictures don't impress me much. The IMX268 is way better than the sensor in the Super but still not as good as the sensor of the Mi A1 (in my opinion).
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And, as it turned out, the build quality of the device was not only mediocre on the outside, but obviously even worse on the inside as my screen failed electronically after about 12 months. I have seen a few other people with the same issue on the Super and I have already seen one report on the UMIDIGI S2 forums with people having the exact same fault after 2 weeks with their S2. So be careful if you decide to get one of those.
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Thanks for that point. I havn't heard about this yet.
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Either way, I'd recommend to get a device with a Qualcomm chipset (snapdragon) over a Mediatek chipset (Helio) as Mediatek doesn't release their sourcecode most of the time which results in little to no support for custom roms but that's something you have to decide.
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Can you recommend a device? The Mi A1 or something else?

I would definitely go with Mi A1 because of the support (either official ones or custom ROMs when kernel source gets released to public) and it has everything you listed it should have.

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So if you could ignore these points would you still mention to buy the phone or did the company lost all his credit with you?
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If the Mi A1 hadn't been announced around the same time for the price that it did I might have given the Elephone brand another chance to see if they treat their flagships a bit better than their "budget" line.
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I guess it's the same with the S2. I've watched several reviews on youtube or elsewhere and the pictures don't impress me much. The IMX268 is way better than the sensor in the Super but still not as good as the sensor of the Mi A1 (in my opinion).
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Comparing the Mi A1 to my Super is a difference like day and night. The Mi A1 makes really good pictures, particularly compared to the UMI Super
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Can you recommend a device? The Mi A1 or something else?
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Obviously, the Mi A1 would be the one I'd recommend but I might be biased since that's the one my decission fell to. I was looking for one of the "tri-bezeless" phones as well, but none fit my needs. To me the A1 was pretty much the perfect fit for my needs.
Here's the points that drove me towards the Mi A1:
-I have had good experiences with other xiaomi branded products in the past, from my mi band to the xiaomi piston headphones and powebanks. Their build quality seems solid so I figured I'd try one of their "more pricey" product ranges
-USB Type C Connection
-Micro SD Slot
-Full HD Display (a few of the phones with slim to no bezels only had a 720p display like, for example, the UMIDIGI S2)
-Snapdragon Chipset
-Android One UI (prefer that over MIUI, which I tried on my Elephone in the past)
-Promised support for 18 months which, given the xiaomi brand, I feel confident will actually come to fruition
-3.5mm headphone jack without a clunky, losable adapter.
-decent camera that takes good pictures
Based on your list, the Mi A1 seems like a very good fit, too. It has all your must-haves and two of your "nice-to-haves" (USB C and Micro SD). The camera quality might be subjective, but I find the camera to be rather good, particularly at the price point the device sells for.

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Obviously, the Mi A1 would be the one I'd recommend but I might be biased since that's the one my decission fell to. I was looking for one of the "tri-bezeless" phones as well, but none fit my needs. To me the A1 was pretty much the perfect fit for my needs.
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I guess I will wait for some reviews of the Doogee but if a good offer for the MiA1 will occure in this period I'll buy this phone as well.
How long lasts the battery with heavy usage?

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I guess I will wait for some reviews of the Doogee but if a good offer for the MiA1 will occure in this period I'll buy this phone as well.
How long lasts the battery with heavy usage?
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As usage always varies from user to user, you might want to check the "real life reviews" part of the mi a1 forums, there's a topic about battery life. Now for me, I have taken the device off the charger about 6 hours ago and my battery is down to 88%. I am not a heavy user, bluetooth is enabled permanently, and I was checking emails and messages a few times per hour. No huge screen-on-time, though.
The battery was the one thing I was worried about (coming from the 4000mAh in my UMI device), but it turns out the 3000mAh battery of the A1 performs about the same as my previous phone due to the chipset seemingly being more power efficient.

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As usage always varies from user to user, you might want to check the "real life reviews" part of the mi a1 forums, there's a topic about battery life. Now for me, I have taken the device off the charger about 6 hours ago and my battery is down to 88%. I am not a heavy user, bluetooth is enabled permanently, and I was checking emails and messages a few times per hour. No huge screen-on-time, though.The battery was the one thing I was worried about (coming from the 4000mAh in my UMI device), but it turns out the 3000mAh battery of the A1 performs about the same as my previous phone due to the chipset seemingly being more power efficient.
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Sounds really nice. Did you read something about the Meizu M6? I guess its nearly as good as the MiA1 with a bigger battery.
Nevertheless I tend to buy the MiA1 and a small powerbank because it seems to be superior to the M6 in nearly every other point.
Thank you very much for your qualified help, I really appreciate that.

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Sounds really nice. Did you read something about the Meizu M6? I guess its nearly as good as the MiA1 with a bigger battery.
Nevertheless I tend to buy the MiA1 and a small powerbank because it seems to be superior to the M6 in nearly every other point.
Thank you very much for your qualified help, I really appreciate that.
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I just checked the Meizu M6, doesn't really seem like a comparison to the Mi A1. The devices are very similar in terms of performance but the 4Gb/64Gb version of the Meizu seems to run well above $300, only the 3/32Gb version seems to be in the price range you mentioned. A short review I found in german mentions that the cameras are pretty much on par with the A1 actually the review notes that the A1 has a better daylight perfomance on the camera, with night shots on the Meizu are apparently a lot better. Also the larger battery capacity sounds interesting.
Overall it sounds like a possible alternative, but it wouldn't convince me. The Flyme UI looks similarly clunky to MIUI, judging from screenshots and I can't understand why they decided to go with a weird camera setup (12Mp + 5Mp dual rear camera, 16Mp front camera). I guess it's intended for selfie lovers. Again, it depends on your use case apparently

Huawei vs Samsung – question about your experiences

The question goes to those who have experience with both the Huawei mate 20 Pro and the Samsung S10 +.
I myself come from Oneplus 6 and have preordered the S10 + (Exynos, Ceramic black, 512 GB) to get the additional earbuds. Now Samsung has informed me that this preorder - promotion cannot be claimed for me, because I ordered via Amazon (although this was advertised on Amazon). "Relatively" seen the S10 + is therefore still too expensive (in fact that I now have to buy the ear buds additional). On the other hand the price of the S10+ has already fallen by about 100 €, so the "preorder" was without any sense for me.
Now I've considered two options. Either return the S10 + and buy it later (when it's cheaper) or consider the upcoming Huawei P30 pro.
Therefore I´m interested in experiences from those, who know Samsung and Huawei. I have to say that I am very satisfied with the S10 + itself. In particular, in the following points:
+ great feel and look, in Ceramic black it looks just fantastic and feels very high quality
+ display just great
+ battery drain (8-10h SOT over 1 1/2 days or about 5h SOT over 2 1/2 days)
+ All around functionality
+ beautiful user interface (dark theme, dialer...) and intuitive menu
+ camera. The raw files are only slightly better than the O6. The jpegs are more than ok.
+ Stereo sound and sound quality (especially sound enhancement setting for listening to music - not as good as viper4android, but sufficient and noticeably better than what I've known before)
+/- Overall speed, but only marginally faster than my OP6, wifi even much slower, but I can live with that.
+/- "bloat ware" incl. Bixby, in total not so useless
How does the Huawei mate 20 pro behave in these points - haptic, display, colors, user interface, quality, functionality, sound quality etc in terms of what I would expect with a Huawei 30 pro. Although this will certainly be a great smartphone, I'm a bit skeptical. Just because I'm really excited about Samsung for the first time.
Root is required for my choice (titanium backup and some other apps that require root). I really want to get away from custom roms. In this regard, I feel at Samsung for the first time really arrived - hence the interest or the question of the overall feeling at Huawei. I do not really care about the brands themselves, so I do not want to start any "fan boy" discussions.
I would be very thankful about your opinion or your experiences!

Flying Fox said:
The question goes to those who have experience with both the Huawei mate 20 Pro and the Samsung S10 +.
I myself come from Oneplus 6 and have preordered the S10 + (Exynos, Ceramic black, 512 GB) to get the additional earbuds. Now Samsung has informed me that this preorder - promotion cannot be claimed for me, because I ordered via Amazon (although this was advertised on Amazon). "Relatively" seen the S10 + is therefore still too expensive (in fact that I now have to buy the ear buds additional). On the other hand the price of the S10+ has already fallen by about 100 €, so the "preorder" was without any sense for me.
Now I've considered two options. Either return the S10 + and buy it later (when it's cheaper) or consider the upcoming Huawei P30 pro.
Therefore I´m interested in experiences from those, who know Samsung and Huawei. I have to say that I am very satisfied with the S10 + itself. In particular, in the following points:
+ great feel and look, in Ceramic black it looks just fantastic and feels very high quality Ceramic Black is 1500 Euros (so is white) ; on the other hand, the rugged feel of Blue and Greeen Mate 20 Pro feel great , no prints , no grease
+ display just great I also like the S10 plus display, but I like Note 9 more and also Mate 20 Pro feels more vibrant (it totally depends on preference)
+ battery drain (8-10h SOT over 1 1/2 days or about 5h SOT over 2 1/2 days) : no flagship beats Mate 20 Pro in terms of battery life (this is kind of end of story, no BUTS), never feared I could remain uncovered
+ All around functionality Samsung is Better here, everything is done directly, no tweaks needed (except for the Infrared remote of the Huwaei, which I used)
+ beautiful user interface (dark theme, dialer...) and intuitive menu : Samsung better here, no doubt (except for the fact that Huawei supports large almost full screen caller images, while Samsung is stubborn again)
+ camera. The raw files are only slightly better than the O6. The jpegs are more than ok. : camera on Mate 20 Pro has no match. You should personally have both phones and see for yourself. The portraits dont have a match on any phone.
+ Stereo sound and sound quality (especially sound enhancement setting for listening to music - not as good as viper4android, but sufficient and noticeably better than what I've known before) : Sound quality better on S10 plus, finally fixed the loudness, now you can here the notifications ( I had to use Volume booster on Note 9)
+/- Overall speed, but only marginally faster than my OP6, wifi even much slower, but I can live with that. : Unnoticeable , both feel great and move fast
+/- "bloat ware" incl. Bixby, in total not so useless : Huawei doesnt have this issue.
How does the Huawei mate 20 pro behave in these points - haptic, display, colors, user interface, quality, functionality, sound quality etc in terms of what I would expect with a Huawei 30 pro. Although this will certainly be a great smartphone, I'm a bit skeptical. Just because I'm really excited about Samsung for the first time.
Hey there man, I have answered point by point to your questions. I should also add a few "small" things :
- Huawei has better notifications: way better! With Samsung , when you dismiss the notifications from the bar, ALL app badges clear and you soon forget (of course) where you had unread notifs. This is the most annoying thing about Android 9 on Samsung. You can work around this by installing Microsoft Launcher.
- In my opinion the fingerprint reader on Mate 20 Pro is better (even if it is optical) and better placed. With Samsung you have to lower you finger too much and lose the grip on the phone
- on S10 family there is no notification LED , Samsung gave that up. I hope Huawei will not be that dumb with the P30. There is a workaround as well called Always on Edge.
In conclusion, I now have the S10 plus, selling the Mate 20 Pro. For MY needs (and only for that), Mate 20 Pro is the better phone. But I get bored from time to time, so here I am )
Cheers and good luck!
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leoking3 said:
Hey there man, I have answered point by point to your questions. I should also add a few "small" things :
- Huawei has better notifications: way better! With Samsung , when you dismiss the notifications from the bar, ALL app badges clear and you soon forget (of course) where you had unread notifs. This is the most annoying thing about Android 9 on Samsung. You can work around this by installing Microsoft Launcher.
- In my opinion the fingerprint reader on Mate 20 Pro is better (even if it is optical) and better placed. With Samsung you have to lower you finger too much and lose the grip on the phone
- on S10 family there is no notification LED , Samsung gave that up. I hope Huawei will not be that dumb with the P30. There is a workaround as well called Always on Edge.
In conclusion, I now have the S10 plus, selling the Mate 20 Pro. For MY needs (and only for that), Mate 20 Pro is the better phone. But I get bored from time to time, so here I am )
Cheers and good luck!
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Thanks, where can I find your point by point answer? Searched the forum (of course), but without success.
Yes, I know about the other "issues" as I still have the S10+. Fingerprint reader is ok for me, and notification LED not that important for me. As I said I am very satisfied with the S10 +. Apart from the fact that my pre-order at the corresponding starting price was a flop I now also consider the Huawei flagship. Hence my interest explicitly in the above points.
Thanks again
EDIT: sorry, just saw your answers in your quote above - my fault

Flying Fox said:
Thanks, where can I find your point by point answer? Searched the forum (of course), but without success.
Yes, I know about the other "issues" as I still have the S10+. Fingerprint reader is ok for me, and notification LED not that important for me. As I said I am very satisfied with the S10 +. Apart from the fact that my pre-order at the corresponding starting price was a flop I now also consider the Huawei flagship. Hence my interest explicitly in the above points.
Thanks again
EDIT: sorry, just saw your answers in your quote above - my fault
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Hey man no worries, glad we share the same opinion to some point. Anyway, I am sure P30 pro will still have a better camera, cause once they started an algorithm, they will most probably stick to it. As for Samsung, the notifications stuff is driving me nuts, as it is the only manufacturer to do that and dismiss all/clear all BS. Other than that goodlooking and great phone , the S10 plus.

leoking3 said:
Hey man no worries, glad we share the same opinion to some point. Anyway, I am sure P30 pro will still have a better camera, cause once they started an algorithm, they will most probably stick to it. As for Samsung, the notifications stuff is driving me nuts, as it is the only manufacturer to do that and dismiss all/clear all BS. Other than that goodlooking and great phone , the S10 plus.
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Once again your answers reflected, I would like to thank you for your effort. They confirm my assumptions.
On the battery life: I had never really problems and that of the S10 + is more than sufficient.
To the camera: this is really very important to me, but not at the expense of the overall package. I do not understand the good picture quality of the Huawei´s completely. How can it be so good with such a high-resolution sensor? I usually shoot with a Nikon D850, similar pixel count, but correspondingly large full-frame sensor. And apart from that, no smartphone lens can put that resolution on a sheet of paper. The Huawei P30 will have a 10x optical zoom. That's nice, but it also means that light has to pass through more lenses. All the more surprising how Huawei software succeeds in getting such good results.
The overall package: if there scores the S10 +, then the decision should be clear to me. I'll wait for the 26th of May and the following reviews; but for the first time I'm really impressed with Samsung's operating system. By that I mean the functionality as a whole, the display and sound quality. The latter is even with Bluetooth headphones better than anything I've ever known (as I said, except for viper4android).
Let's wait and see. What a pity that I do not have the opportunity to take a Huawei in my own hands.

Correct, not much else to add. As for the lenses, I dont understand the whole process, and the whole aperture stuff (I do, but not in detail), but I see the final result, which is great. And yes, that is what excited me too, cause last year was boring from the Samsung perspective...this series of new phones, they did it! And I ve been using the Galaxy series since S1. So...we ll see what happens on 26Mar and after . Take care!

I would wait and see for the p30pro.
I use both at the moment. Honestly aside from the crazy Samsung display I'm kind of disappointed...
Almost the same camera setup as s9+ and note9.
8nm (exynose) Vs 7nm on the SD and m20p version.
Battery is not really stable (I've had mine since the 8th: you can see various reports on this here on XDA and Reddit (apparently the SD doesn't have that much issues).
Overall a good package, honestly. But I also think they could of done better...and still the same 15w charger!! Coming from a 6T and M20p....it's crazy they don't have more powerful chargers today!
Huawei is really innovating now (taking risks), Sammy is securing their position and oneplus is growing fast and being very open minded. Three different approaches.
Root...apparently there are issues with the new rooting procedure on exynos. But I guess we'll have to wait on JohnWu. Forget that on Huawei's side...getting root is hell, even bootloader unlocked. Only some can do it, but you need to go the funkyhuawei path.
Honestly, I don't need root anymore, phones are mostly optimized, not like in the past. And endurance is better every year. It takes me around 1h30 configure/reload all.my apps on a new phone.
Camera...hmm, that was my only weak point on the 6T, tried all the versions of the gcam, the sensor was to small, lenses not good...so even if you put a Porsche engine in a fiat500, it's a fiat500.
Huawei cameras you or love them or hate them. BUT apparently Huawei is coming out with the new Sony sensor, ToF, 10x optical, and most probably some other surprises...I just hoped OEMs would understand how important is a monochrome lense for all that it could bring in. Till today portraits are better on the p20pro than the m20pro...but that's my opinion, except of course the pixel 3XL. Which for me must have a voodoo magic camera processing system.
Notifications, i was really pissed with the m20p...but at least it has a led (lol). There were bugs here in there..but Voilà, no perfect phones exist. Annoyed to double tap on my screen on the S10+ to see my notifications (I don't use AOD, 1% battery/hour).
Battery, CPU. I've realised that a phone today needs to learn from you (your habits, app usage, etc..) and here the Kirin 980 & pie is a monster setup...it really does something in the back ground. Not sure about the S10+ yet...I need to give it time. But battery, till.today nothing gets close to me m20p.
The new display on the p30p is reported to be a Samsung...so it might be great. Let's see.. 4 days to go.
In the meantime check this out, people are saying it was done on the p30p (no idea how long they took.on post processing, but still..impressive!)
No idea why the YouTube link isn't working...

Just in short summary: after Huawei Honor 7 and P10 I will never everly ever go back to Huawei absolutely ever again. Not in this lifetime anyway...
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Flying Fox said:
Thanks, where can I find your point by point answer? Searched the forum (of course), but without success.
Yes, I know about the other "issues" as I still have the S10+. Fingerprint reader is ok for me, and notification LED not that important for me. As I said I am very satisfied with the S10 +. Apart from the fact that my pre-order at the corresponding starting price was a flop I now also consider the Huawei flagship. Hence my interest explicitly in the above points.
Thanks again
EDIT: sorry, just saw your answers in your quote above - my fault
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I have Android Pie on my S8+ and notifications don't behave like that. If i clear a new message notifaction I still have app icon badges that show me the number of messages I have not read.

SAO said:
I would wait and see for the p30pro.
I use both at the moment. Honestly aside from the crazy Samsung display I'm kind of disappointed...
Almost the same camera setup as s9+ and note9.
8nm (exynose) Vs 7nm on the SD and m20p version.
Battery is not really stable (I've had mine since the 8th: you can see various reports on this here on XDA and Reddit (apparently the SD doesn't have that much issues).
Overall a good package, honestly. But I also think they could of done better...and still the same 15w charger!! Coming from a 6T and M20p....it's crazy they don't have more powerful chargers today!
Huawei is really innovating now (taking risks), Sammy is securing their position and oneplus is growing fast and being very open minded. Three different approaches.
Root...apparently there are issues with the new rooting procedure on exynos. But I guess we'll have to wait on JohnWu. Forget that on Huawei's side...getting root is hell, even bootloader unlocked. Only some can do it, but you need to go the funkyhuawei path.
Honestly, I don't need root anymore, phones are mostly optimized, not like in the past. And endurance is better every year. It takes me around 1h30 configure/reload all.my apps on a new phone.
Camera...hmm, that was my only weak point on the 6T, tried all the versions of the gcam, the sensor was to small, lenses not good...so even if you put a Porsche engine in a fiat500, it's a fiat500.
Huawei cameras you or love them or hate them. BUT apparently Huawei is coming out with the new Sony sensor, ToF, 10x optical, and most probably some other surprises...I just hoped OEMs would understand how important is a monochrome lense for all that it could bring in. Till today portraits are better on the p20pro than the m20pro...but that's my opinion, except of course the pixel 3XL. Which for me must have a voodoo magic camera processing system.
Notifications, i was really pissed with the m20p...but at least it has a led (lol). There were bugs here in there..but Voilà, no perfect phones exist. Annoyed to double tap on my screen on the S10+ to see my notifications (I don't use AOD, 1% battery/hour).
Battery, CPU. I've realised that a phone today needs to learn from you (your habits, app usage, etc..) and here the Kirin 980 & pie is a monster setup...it really does something in the back ground. Not sure about the S10+ yet...I need to give it time. But battery, till.today nothing gets close to me m20p.
The new display on the p30p is reported to be a Samsung...so it might be great. Let's see.. 4 days to go.
In the meantime check this out, people are saying it was done on the p30p (no idea how long they took.on post processing, but still..impressive!)
No idea why the YouTube link isn't working...
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Thank you for this detailed review of your experiences. Yes, link doesn't´t work. But I just had time to take pictures in raw for post processing via lightroom. I must really say, not that big step coming from OP 6 a I had expected. So I will keep your opinion in mind. Thx!!

Norsehawk said:
Just in short summary: after Huawei Honor 7 and P10 I will never everly ever go back to Huawei absolutely ever again. Not in this lifetime anyway...
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Could I ask you what was wrong with Huawei (and which model) in your opinion?

The P30 pro comes in at 999 euro with a year old SoC, widely hated skin, a second class Samsung 1080p display(no excuse for the price).
Even ignoring the fact that the S10+ is a superior all-round package (even more with the 10% student discount) I think Huawei is shooting itself in the foot by trying to jump on the ultra flagship pricing train, their reputation has been thanks to the good value they offered, which is gone.
I spent a day comparing my phone with a relative's mate 20 pro, the latter is a very ambitious device but it falls short in every category except face recognition, which I don't use and has been proven to be a flawed protocol on even the most secured devices.
If you check my guide you can see my 15h SoT result and how it can be achieved, the p20 pro has a theoretically bigger(100mah) battery yet it gets nowhere close due to the uncompetitive SoC and software.
Huawei doesn't and never will allow unlocked bootloaders, I wouldn't recommend their services even if they offered the best choices, they're still far from that and their anti-consumer behaviour needs to be heavily punished.

Flying Fox said:
Could I ask you what was wrong with Huawei (and which model) in your opinion?
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I only had bad experience with Huawei Honor 7 and P10. Not only did the hardware made my life into misery, but also the software (read EMUI). Honor 7 was an unfinished phone as it was beta, and P10s hardware went first crap (the battery bulked over time in my pocket so bad that you could see the battery cells because of the gap). So the Swedish repaircompany fixed it by replacing with new screen and battery but screwed up the dualcamera so it takes blurry pics which means shipping to service one extra time.
This Samsung, which is my first Samsung phone, is probably the best phone so far I ever had. I only can remember one phone that was this good (out of all phones I've had), and that was iPhone 5s. Had also Nexus 4 but here in Europe Google was cheap with only 16 GB ROM instead of 32. Shame...
Also, I'm still waiting for Android Pie for my Huawei P10 which will probably never come. And it doesn't matter since the EMUI would still get crap. And I'm questioning the Chinese company privacy for us users especially for that little storm last year. Not saying they are spying but I don't trust them on where my personal data will end up: in the hands of the company or their government.
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Flying Fox said:
Thank you for this detailed review of your experiences. Yes, link doesn't´t work. But I just had time to take pictures in raw for post processing via lightroom. I must really say, not that big step coming from OP 6 a I had expected. So I will keep your opinion in mind. Thx!!
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https://youtu.be/S4UHq_4jAGM
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Norsehawk said:
Just in short summary: after Huawei Honor 7 and P10 I will never everly ever go back to Huawei absolutely ever again. Not in this lifetime anyway...
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Norsehawk said:
I only had bad experience with Huawei Honor 7 and P10. Not only did the hardware made my life into misery, but also the software (read EMUI). Honor 7 was an unfinished phone as it was beta, and P10s hardware went first crap (the battery bulked over time in my pocket so bad that you could see the battery cells because of the gap). So the Swedish repaircompany fixed it by replacing with new screen and battery but screwed up the dualcamera so it takes blurry pics which means shipping to service one extra time.
This Samsung, which is my first Samsung phone, is probably the best phone so far I ever had. I only can remember one phone that was this good (out of all phones I've had), and that was iPhone 5s. Had also Nexus 4 but here in Europe Google was cheap with only 16 GB ROM instead of 32. Shame...
Also, I'm still waiting for Android Pie for my Huawei P10 which will probably never come. And it doesn't matter since the EMUI would still get crap. And I'm questioning the Chinese company privacy for us users especially for that little storm last year. Not saying they are spying but I don't trust them on where my personal data will end up: in the hands of the company or their government.
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I'm sorry you had a bad experience and that you are projecting so much negativity...everyone has their opinion. But just my 2cents : Huawei since the p10 or H7 have gone a long way. Thus the reason that they are the second biggest selling phone company today.. and heading up quickly to bite on Samsung in the next 2 years. Huawei's P20P, M20P & Kirin 980 have been hailed for innovation, build quality and picture quality. Now, if i could have Oxygen OS on a Huawei, that would be a dream come true.
Last point : the ones that had "confirmed" spying issues last year was not Huawei but Oneplus (i company that i really like NDLR). Also, just "FYI", Samsung sells Snapdragon phones right? Only in the US. Exynos in the rest (except China). Oneplus, also a chinese company, who also should abide by the so called chinese law : "that companies need to help the government if needed". Are in the USA... ask yourself this : "oneplus + snapdragon = US, Huawei + Kirin = not US". Why? And hum, i think that there is a kind of "Trade War" happening right now, right? When you want to hurt a country : hit it's economy, who's one of the biggest company in China? Huawei. And this week Huawei filled for a lawsuit against the US government, that their restrictions are non "constitutional".
Any how, sorry i hijacked your thread to clarify some things about this "China is spying on us" BS. All government are spying on everyone.
Now let's see this p30p, there are gonna be haters and lovers... like every brand.
Peace out.

Corv0 said:
The P30 pro comes in at 999 euro with a year old SoC, widely hated skin, a second class Samsung 1080p display(no excuse for the price).
Even ignoring the fact that the S10+ is a superior all-round package (even more with the 10% student discount) I think Huawei is shooting itself in the foot by trying to jump on the ultra flagship pricing train, their reputation has been thanks to the good value they offered, which is gone.
I spent a day comparing my phone with a relative's mate 20 pro, the latter is a very ambitious device but it falls short in every category except face recognition, which I don't use and has been proven to be a flawed protocol on even the most secured devices.
If you check my guide you can see my 15h SoT result and how it can be achieved, the p20 pro has a theoretically bigger(100mah) battery yet it gets nowhere close due to the uncompetitive SoC and software.
Huawei doesn't and never will allow unlocked bootloaders, I wouldn't recommend their services even if they offered the best choices, they're still far from that and their anti-consumer behaviour needs to be heavily punished.
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Ok, understood. These are the reasons, why I´m (still) skeptical with the brand Huawei.
And yes, I checked your guide, just haven´t hit the thanks bottom yet .
Norsehawk said:
I only had bad experience with Huawei Honor 7 and P10. Not only did the hardware made my life into misery, but also the software (read EMUI). Honor 7 was an unfinished phone as it was beta, and P10s hardware went first crap (the battery bulked over time in my pocket so bad that you could see the battery cells because of the gap). So the Swedish repaircompany fixed it by replacing with new screen and battery but screwed up the dualcamera so it takes blurry pics which means shipping to service one extra time.
This Samsung, which is my first Samsung phone, is probably the best phone so far I ever had. I only can remember one phone that was this good (out of all phones I've had), and that was iPhone 5s. Had also Nexus 4 but here in Europe Google was cheap with only 16 GB ROM instead of 32. Shame...
Also, I'm still waiting for Android Pie for my Huawei P10 which will probably never come. And it doesn't matter since the EMUI would still get crap. And I'm questioning the Chinese company privacy for us users especially for that little storm last year. Not saying they are spying but I don't trust them on where my personal data will end up: in the hands of the company or their government.
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Essentially, I agree with you. However, I think that a lot has happened since the P10. Anyway, I agree that from a price point of view, Huawei's move is more than brave, even though I think you already get what you pay for. After all, with the P30 pro seems to come a sonos speaker for free (pre-order) .. if you need it. Yes, I know, this argument is rather weak ..
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https://youtu.be/S4UHq_4jAGM
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Thank you for the link again.
As the question arises, when the first movies are made with the Pro XX - as once with the Canon 5D Mark II (or III?). Anyway, this quality goes beyond my mind and what I learned in physics lessons decades ago - but really good video! Thx!
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https://youtu.be/S4UHq_4jAGM
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I'm sorry you had a bad experience and that you are projecting so much negativity...everyone has their opinion. But just my 2cents : Huawei since the p10 or H7 have gone a long way. Thus the reason that they are the second biggest selling phone company today.. and heading up quickly to bite on Samsung in the next 2 years. Huawei's P20P, M20P & Kirin 980 have been hailed for innovation, build quality and picture quality. Now, if i could have Oxygen OS on a Huawei, that would be a dream come true.
Last point : the ones that had "confirmed" spying issues last year was not Huawei but Oneplus (i company that i really like NDLR). Also, just "FYI", Samsung sells Snapdragon phones right? Only in the US. Exynos in the rest (except China). Oneplus, also a chinese company, who also should abide by the so called chinese law : "that companies need to help the government if needed". Are in the USA... ask yourself this : "oneplus + snapdragon = US, Huawei + Kirin = not US". Why? And hum, i think that there is a kind of "Trade War" happening right now, right? When you want to hurt a country : hit it's economy, who's one of the biggest company in China? Huawei. And this week Huawei filled for a lawsuit against the US government, that their restrictions are non "constitutional".
Any how, sorry i hijacked your thread to clarify some things about this "China is spying on us" BS. All government are spying on everyone.
Now let's see this p30p, there are gonna be haters and lovers... like every brand.
Peace out.
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I know that many do espionage. Where do you think your fingerprints have been storaged since the iPhone 5s and up? Not at Foxconn or China... But I rather give my fingerprints to US and South Korea than China - if I need to choose.
Well, I have tasted two Huawei-models, also P9. P20 just a bit, not bad phone but the camera wasn't captured natural photos. Seemed like they were afteredited with layers automatically which they are (if you read some reviews). If I want to edit photos I refuse that the phone edit it FOR me. And some photos don't need to be edited at all because you will ruin them.
My P10 was an OK phone, but comparing with this Samsung it's like having a phone out of completely different galaxy. And one more thing to clarify: I don't hate Huawei, but I don't like shady business no matter what company.
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https://youtu.be/S4UHq_4jAGM
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Thank you for the link again.
As the question arises, when the first movies are made with the Pro XX - as once with the Canon 5D Mark II (or III?). Anyway, this quality goes beyond my mind and what I learned in physics lessons decades ago - but really good video! Thx!
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Huawei has a history of lying about video footages or photos they made their brand ambassadors advertise, we as users have absolutely no reason to trust anything, they kept using DSLR content and splashing "taken with Huawei" on it, unacceptable.
The video in the link is just an example of reverse advertising, I expect the upcoming Huawei P30 pro's camera to be criticized in every single comparison that isn't sponsored, as it happened every time.

Flying Fox said:
Ok, understood. These are the reasons, why I´m (still) skeptical with the brand Huawei.
And yes, I checked your guide, just haven´t hit the thanks bottom yet .
Essentially, I agree with you. However, I think that a lot has happened since the P10. Anyway, I agree that from a price point of view, Huawei's move is more than brave, even though I think you already get what you pay for. After all, with the P30 pro seems to come a sonos speaker for free (pre-order) .. if you need it. Yes, I know, this argument is rather weak ..
SAO said:
https://youtu.be/S4UHq_4jAGM
Try this....
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Thank you for the link again.
As the question arises, when the first movies are made with the Pro XX - as once with the Canon 5D Mark II (or III?). Anyway, this quality goes beyond my mind and what I learned in physics lessons decades ago - but really good video! Thx!
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I just want premium, and now that also Huawei-phones costs almost as same amount as Samsung's, I would be silly if I picked Huawei imo. Surely have Huawei evolved since the P10 but I simply can't live with the EMUI anymore. And bringing Nova-launcher won't make me 100% satisfied either...
I really love new SGS10+ even with Exynos-chip that entire world have due to licensing issue (read 1993 contract between Sammy and Qualcy). Can say it works well, not bad att all. Fast too. [emoji6]
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My previous phone is mate 20 battery life is perfect like 8 hours sot and not warm now I have s10 plus us version screen time only 6 hours and phone feel very warm

Huawei Emui is awful. They make the bootloader unlockable. Screen not as good with issues