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Honor 8 Deserves More Love

When the Honor 8 was announced last summer, I completely overlooked it because so many tech sites and reviewers declared it to be an "also ran" in the $400 flagship category. Many would compare it to the One Plus 3 and Axon 7 and conclude that both were a better buy. Don't get me wrong, both of those phones are nice, but the Honor 8 is smaller, easier to hold, (and arguably better looking) than both of those devices. It simply punches above its weight class and needs to be recognized as the over-achiever that it really is.
Especially after the OP3T ($439) was released, far too often, tech sites claimed it to be THE BEST VALUE IN ANDROID, saying that it was smoother, faster, and cheaper than the rest. It's almost as if they completely forgot about or didn't consider the Honor 8. Once again, the OP3T is a great phone, but it's not such a clear winner in terms of value at that price.
The Honor 8's Kirin 950 is stupid fast and very energy efficient. The dual cameras produce superior images to both the OP3T & Axon 7, and it's fingerprint sensor is probably the most feature packed and versatile of the three devices. Basically, when you ignore specs on paper and focus on the real world usage, the Honor 8 deserves way more love than it's been getting. Plus, it can be had for as low as $250 these days which is a STEAL for this level of performance and quality.
It wasn't until I did my own research and tried the device in person that I finally reached this conclusion. Why weren't the other tech sites and reviewers able to do the same?
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Totally agree. For it's price it's probably the best you can get for your money in 5.2" screen category.
I would argue that it even bests newer offering from huawei (p10 lite).

Having had my Honor 8 since December 2016 and running dual sim plus a micro SD card this phone does the job very well for my needs. Battery life in real usage easily get (Twin App Whatsapp) Instagram, web browsing and calls on both lines and on 4G Data gets me through the day no problem with room to spare.
Yes it's a well balanced phone in looks and functionality and there are a couple of things I dislike but that's like any device or brand.
Having been a hard core Samsung Android User The Honor 8 is well over looked by many.. All my other android devices all been rooted by myself but the Honour 8 I have kept original apart from the firmware updated B380.. Some say this phone is heavy compared to Samsung S5, S7, but at time I panic thinking I've misplaced my device but yet it's in my pocket.. Excellent phone and from a flat battery to full charger under an hour that good for me..
Stunning device is the Honor 8

Thank you guys for pointing out some of the great qualities of Honor 8.
Personally, I'm sick of always reading rants whenever I enter this forum. It's nice to see someone focusing less on getting the newest firmware and on how their 100% awesome battery life dropped to only 80% awesome after update.
It's a great device and considering that I bought it for a song I can't complain. I'm heavily satisfied!

I am glad that someone made a positive review about the Honor 8. Personally if people would just let the phone be and stop going root/beta testing crazy with this phone then they would have less problems. I have been a Honor 8 owner for about 6 months now and I do not have any problems with it. In addition it have the best camera out there by far from the mid range phones category!

The one video that finally convinced me to get the H8 was a performance comparison to the S7 or/and the iphone 6/7, cant actually remember. But it was actual use not the retarded Benchmarks.
And in that category, at the time of release it blew everything else out of the water and it did not disappoint so far.
Although no one around here really complained about that as far as I know. Its the software, it always has been.
Thanks to Huawei Ive been stuck on their EMUI for about a year, and as much as I can say that in some respects it did very well, i never wanted it and never asked for it in the first place.
And as good as the Hardware can be the software is what I am going to use and this will definetly be my last Huawei device until they change that software policy.
Regardless, the hardware is top notch, especially for the low price ( and i paid 350€, and that still applies at that price )

Tech sites slammed it because of EMUI, which was extremely shortsighted. I've said many times in here, I've been using CyanogenMod since Android 2.2, I've owned Nexuses, and even still I'm completely okay with EMUI.
There is no better price/performance device out there right now. And the camera blows away other value flagships.

Telperion said:
Tech sites slammed it because of EMUI, which was extremely shortsighted. I've said many times in here, I've been using CyanogenMod since Android 2.2, I've owned Nexuses, and even still I'm completely okay with EMUI.
There is no better price/performance device out there right now. And the camera blows away other value flagships.
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True, I'll admit that in the brief time I used UMUI 4, I found myself looking for ways to add features that it was missing. But I only had it for a day before updating to EMUI 5 and it along with Nougat seemed to solve almost every complaint I had. It's amazing how much a difference it made, so I guess I can understand​ how the reviews seemed a little unimpressed.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Huawei P20, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Huawei P20 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I like so many things about P20 and few don't, P20 pro is not worth the money even if it 3 cam or highest rated on DxO , I got Sony A7 full frame mirrorless which no future phone can match at least for next five years
Good: Dual SIM as standard with most UK retailer
Design, front fingerprint reader
8.1 out of box
Huawei's customer service
Dolby Atmos
Reasonable price and even better with £320 Bose headphones
4 GB ram is not flagship class but acceptable
Bad: poor IP rating
No autofocus front cam with wasted megapixel (24 MP) what's the point ?
No FM radio
No infrared
Screen resolution is ok but screen quality is not on par with Sony, Samsung, LG or HTC
main snapper is too good on paper but in actual test I found not much visible improvement compared with last year's model
Given the size of battery , the battery life will dafinatly not better than P20 pro, Mate 10 pro, OnePlus 5, or Galaxy S9
Given the scenario I will go with Huawei mate 10 pro

onlinejobwork said:
I like so many things about P20 and few don't, P20 pro is not worth the money even if it 3 cam or highest rated on DxO , I got Sony A7 full frame mirrorless which no future phone can match at least for next five years
Good: Dual SIM as standard with most UK retailer
Design, front fingerprint reader
8.1 out of box
Huawei's customer service
Dolby Atmos
Reasonable price and even better with £320 Bose headphones
4 GB ram is not flagship class but acceptable
Bad: poor IP rating
No autofocus front cam with wasted megapixel (24 MP) what's the point ?
No FM radio
No infrared
Screen resolution is ok but screen quality is not on par with Sony, Samsung, LG or HTC
main snapper is too good on paper but in actual test I found not much visible improvement compared with last year's model
Given the size of battery , the battery life will dafinatly not better than P20 pro, Mate 10 pro, OnePlus 5, or Galaxy S9
Given the scenario I will go with Huawei mate 10 pro
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Full Huawei range

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onlinejobwork said:
Full Huawei range
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Just found out that device sold by retailer like Voda, EE, cpw does have micro SD slot and NOT have dual SIM

onlinejobwork said:
Just found out that device sold by retailer like Voda, EE, cpw does have micro SD slot and NOT have dual SIM
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is this confirmed somewhere? Does anybody sell it dualsim in the UK?
I preordered mine from cpw and will surely return it if it's not dualsim as it's a dealbreaker for me.

varignet said:
is this confirmed somewhere? Does anybody sell it dualsim in the UK?
I preordered mine from cpw and will surely return it if it's not dualsim as it's a dealbreaker for me.
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Same here, Carphonewarehouse one is NOT dual SIM , big disappointment
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varignet said:
is this confirmed somewhere? Does anybody sell it dualsim in the UK?
I preordered mine from cpw and will surely return it if it's not dualsim as it's a dealbreaker for me.
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I can confined , I got mine yesterday and it's not dual SIM

Anyone else having serious lag in Google maps?
Previously: Huawei messed something up in the past on P10 and map on satellite mode worked like s**t but they fixed on Emui 8.
However now on my P20 everything is slow and freezes in Google Maps, will check logcat for anything strange.

paul678 said:
Anyone else having serious lag in Google maps?
Previously: Huawei messed something up in the past on P10 and map on satellite mode worked like s**t but they fixed on Emui 8.
However now on my P20 everything is slow and freezes in Google Maps, will check logcat for anything strange.
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I don't have any issues with Maps on my P20 paul678, Satellite view does however take 2-3 seconds to load but is fine after that.

paulrod said:
I don't have any issues with Maps on my P20 paul678, Satellite view does however take 2-3 seconds to load but is fine after that.
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For me the map itself is ok, scroll/pan/zoom works pretty well.
The problems appear when pressing the top search..that takes some time to react and a similar problem when doing a long press to drop a pin and then try to open the bottom sheet that contains details.
Can you check to see if you have problems with the above mentioned scenarios?

Love this handset overall. Battery life is great, camera is great, screen is great, sound is great (which was a big bone of contention with me coming from LG V20!).
Please add section on real-life review for Audio Quality! Both speaker and headphones (wired and wireless!).

P20 Lcd Problem(yellow screen where the navigation buttons are)
Hi Xda
First of all i want to say that the lcd screen looks great BUT i replaced my device for a third time but still no luck... The screen on the virtualbuttons is yellowish then the rest of the screen... Its the screen just above the touchbutton or on the virtual navigation buttons... Does someone has this also please comment, thank you!

Ieozt38 said:
Hi Xda
First of all i want to say that the lcd screen looks great BUT i replaced my device for a third time but still no luck... The screen on the virtualbuttons is yellowish then the rest of the screen... Its the screen just above the touchbutton or on the virtual navigation buttons... Does someone has this also please comment, thank you!
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Hi, I deactivated the on screen buttons a while ago, find more convenient using the multifunctional home button. I had the impression of yellow on the buttons bar also before, more a software issue to me.

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bolof2 said:
Hi, I deactivated the on screen buttons
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Its still yellow without the screenbuttons i just wanted to explain where the yellowish area is located. Received 3rd device still problem occurs, im switching to iphone x

I replaced my Zuk Z2 Pro with the P20. French n°1 telecom company made a price mistake and sold it for 249€ for about 15 minutes. It was the perfect occasion to change my phone.
Pros :
- Screen. Quality is just under the Z2 Pro AMOLED, but it's nice, big, reactive.
- Battery. It lasts way longer than what became the Z2 Pro battery
- Power. Obviously, nowadays, every phone allows you to do everything quickly when you're not into gaming
- Quality. The phone looks like it's perfectly build.
- Huawei offers, in France, the Freebuds with the phone (12 weeks to receive them, so I don't know if they are good)
- Bundle is nice : silicon case and noise reduction earphones (I don't like them, but
Cons :
- EMUI. I've been on custom ROMs over the last 5 years, and, OMG, it's very hard to be on a OEM ROM with so many limitation. Simply expand notification on the lockscreen or skipping a track with Vol+ or - is impossible. It induces erratic behaviour in some apps (no notifications from Telegram, even if all parameters are the same than Whatsapp), etc...
- Locked bootloader. I missed the news of Huawei preventing unlocking after the 25th of July. I hope there will be a solution soon for that.
- The charger. Every other charger than a SuperCharge one will charge the phone veeeeeeeeery slowly. My car charger, 2,1A, can't even charge the phone when Waze is on... My QC3 power bank becomes almost useless. As soon as the battery of the P20 will last less than a day, I will be annoyed. I hope it will never happen.
- Size : it's 4mm higher than the Zuk Z2 Pro, and it's 4mm too much. To fit in my pocket, the perfect size is 145mm.
- Phone Clone did not work with my Zuk Z2 Pro, it was a pain to import all the datas
- No SD card : risk of losing everything if the telephone is lost or whatever. To retrieve datas from one phone to another, SD Card is the most practicle
I'm waiting for the Mi 8 SE to be released in France with the right LTE frequencies, or an equivalent phone. I'll then sell my P20.

Excelente!

paul678 said:
For me the map itself is ok, scroll/pan/zoom works pretty well.
The problems appear when pressing the top search..that takes some time to react and a similar problem when doing a long press to drop a pin and then try to open the bottom sheet that contains details.
Can you check to see if you have problems with the above mentioned scenarios?
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I have exactly same problems as you describe, but to be noted: I did not update the phone since I first started it so... that might be the problem because it is urging me to update like every day (and the fix might be in some later build)....

OlaffLudwig said:
I have exactly same problems as you describe, but to be noted: I did not update the phone since I first started it so... that might be the problem because it is urging me to update like every day (and the fix might be in some later build)....
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Lol should probably update

I never thought of this as a "flagship" phone and honestly it isn't. It's an expensive mid-range device.
As far as rating from 1 (worst) to 5 (best)
1. Screen - 5 Sharp and colorful. I like this display, I think Huawei phones with LCDs are top notch screens, their Amoled screens they use are not so much.
2. form/size/ - 4 Perfect size for those who aren't looking for a large device- People coming from Samsung Note, and Pluses, iPhone pluses- look elswhere, this phone will feel significantly smaller. Still not 5 though. The aspect ratio is just kinda weird. I actually wish if was wider a bit, because using it landscape mode in navigation, half the screen is gone with the GPS GUI with the map is only 1/3, same issue with lots of other apps. This problem isn't only this phone specific, many other phones narrowing down their display size, like its some sort of a trend now, I'm not very happy about it.
3. Operating system - 2 While it has improved over the last couple of years, EMUI is still laggy. I can't pinpoint the real issue, since I'm not a developer but it seems like touch /sensitivy issues. I saw some complains regarding dead areas/less sensitive spots on some Huawei devices, and it seems like a recurring problem on more than just one model. There is also that sense of lacking fluidity. Anyone who used pure Google Android or near stock, or iOS or even Touchwiz will notice a sense of disconnect between touch input and reaction time in EMUI, and sometimes hang ups and delays, other times it's reacting too fast . It's hard to demonstrate, because even if someone would make a video, it's more of a feeling kinda thing, while using the device, a video wouldn't really show the issue.
There is also a sense of incompatibility while using even popular apps, whether they lag at some point or the app has to be restarted or even crash. Or have the app work as intended and then suspended in memory, return and the app would lag or just hang up, forcing me to quit and restart.
This happened to me more than once, and not only on the P20, but on an older Honor device. I have to blame EMUI because Chinese phones running near stock Android but similar hardware (or even weaker chipset) does not exhibit the same behavior.
4. Camera (rear) - 4.5 Can't give 5, because after a month of using this phone, there are time when the camera also lags, gets frozen or behaves erratically. To be on the positive note, this happens rarely, but it happens I'd say 1 out of 30 times the camera is launched. This might be a combination of apps loaded in the background while the camera is launched /re-launched or the phone is putting apps to sleep and just can't react quickly to user input, I don't know. Otherwise when it works, it makes remarkable shots, very "Instagram worthy" ones, although some people will probably turn off the AI to produce more realistic shots instead of Lord of the Rings style fantasy scenery. Jokes aside, the camera on this can be easily match the top flagships of 2018 phones, although personally I still prefer Samsung phone cameras work . And just for reference, I don't like iPhone _____cameras either (insert any iPhone since 2010), with their yellow/brownish tint applied on everything and under or over exposed shots and no control over anything user unfriendliness.
5. Camera (front)- 3. I don't really use it much, but the few times I tried it, it's made for selfie maniacs with all beauty modes, even with the beauty mode off, it still looks like it applies something. Blonde hair can show up as reddish for some reason, other times people I took selfies with noticed, that their eyebrows were missing. Funny as it sounds, the phone tries to Photoshop you aggressively without your consent, depending on the lighting conditions, but otherwise the selfie camera I'd rate it average, because it's more of a trend, even the newest iphones produce selifes, that are love it or hate it, depending on what the user is looking for.
6. Battery: - 4. By 2018 standards, it's average to very good. I see some people complain about 4-5 hours of screen on time, others report up to 8. I personally got about 5-6hrs and standby time is amazing. I'm sure EMUI has an aggressive power management, which may save plenty of battery life, but I suspect it may be also the culprit some of the issues regarding system performance and app management.
6. Overall : - 3.75 out of 5. After using several phones in 2018, including cheap budget phones to the iPhone X and back to mid range, this phone is no way and no how a flagship phone. It's a an expensive top-mid-range device. It's neither anything special, nor mediocre. Recommended for people coming from Apple and have absolutely zero skill using an Android. I also think, it's overpriced, especially right now (2019 January).
* Extra note: The vibrator. Very 2013-ish. Huawei needs to learn to implement a better taptic engine. iPhones are unbeatable in it, probably their best feature. The buzzing feel just don't cut it anymore. As I heard Pixels have them well, and some of the newer Motorola phones have it well done and they are cheaper. It gives a whole new dimension to the device to have a good haptic feedback. This phone buzzer/vibrator just feels kinda cheap and obsolete.

I agree with dollarpapa, P20 is a decent phone but nothing remarkable really. I bought it 6 months ago for a beefy price tag of 545 euros, it costs around 450 euros now. The main reason I picked p20 at that time was the camera, it was the 2nd best rated camera according to dxomark and bunch of youtubers.
My thoughts in brief:
1. Camera: Really good at night. Not great during the day.
2. Screen: pretty bright and crisp, however Amoleds are always more appealing.
3. Battery: very good.
4. UI: garbage. Like others have mentioned, there is a minor touch lag that kills the smoothness compared to say og Pixel.
5. Speed: the storage is really fast, that means apps open up really quick. Memory management is horrible, worse than og Pixel.
Overall I'd say don't buy this phone in 2019 unless you want it only for night time pictures. A decent alternative is Galaxy S9 without sacrificing much in terms of camera quality. For performance, I'd go with Pocophone f1,but the camera will be much worse.

Upgrade to Oneplus 6

Oneplus 6 is there. I'm thinking of upgrading from my Huawei mate 9 to oneplus 6. I get tired of the little development of the Huawei community. Someone else goes to oneplus 6?

I dont believe the OP6 is on sale yet. Still I have decided to buy one as well. The mate 9 is great and all but I still can't get used to the UI and the development for this phone is pretty much absent.

Nope. Out of the box, they have way too many bugs, customer service is terrible.
In about a month or two after release, their phones aren't too bad, but, I don't like being
a beta tester. I've had 3 Huawei Phones. Mate 2,8,9. Out of the box, all have been perfect.
Plus, Oppo's cheaper cousin was suppose to be "less expensive" than all the other flagships.
They started out with a basic phone, good specs, low price. But, with each version they have
jacked up the price, and made them like every other overpriced flagship, "stylish, slim, colorful
& bla bla bla" Glass on the back? Why? Most people will put a case over it, to make sure it
doesn't break.
Nope, I don't go for Oppo's OnePlus with all their viral marketing BS.

The Huawei Mate 9 is my first Huawei device. Couldn't be happier. So much so that I got a P20 for my wife recently. If I had to replace the Mate 9 today I would take the P20 Pro.
I'm not into rooting or changing ROMs so the lack of a 'development community' doesn't bother me.
Before acquiring the Mate 9 I also considered the OnePlus 3T but the lack of local technical assistance was a big no no. If I can't buy it locally or get it repaired locally then I'm not interested.

I'm waiting for the next Mate.
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i will still go with huawei. especially with local service. amazing 1:1 exchange if your phone has hardware problems. About UI, seen OP5T from a friend it was fast yes. but too boring seeing it stock google. i realized that stock was just hype. and it was too boring to see. no exciting UI features.

What do you mean no development? We are the first phone to have trebble compatibility, and able to install pure android roms. Samsung s8 and oneplus 5 did not even bother to give trebble compatibility just so you will want to buy their new phone because it adds another feature. Oneplus 6 looks very similar to mate 9, camera probably isn't that much better either. Your point is invalid. Huawei have been improving tremendously and updates are more and more frequent.

arminbih said:
What do you mean no development? We are the first phone to have trebble compatibility, and able to install pure android roms. Samsung s8 and oneplus 5 did not even bother to give trebble compatibility just so you will want to buy their new phone because it adds another feature. Oneplus 6 looks very similar to mate 9, camera probably isn't that much better either. Your point is invalid. Huawei have been improving tremendously and updates are more and more frequent.
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Shoot, from what I discovered in 2014, when the "startup" OnePlus came along, all they are is a beta tester for the parent Oppo.
Once people found out that OnePlus is 100% owned by Oppo, who is owned by BBK electronics, their mask as a "poor lonely startup" got busted. Then, with the oneplus one, the distortions & out and out lies started to appear.
Stereo speakers that ended up being nothing more than twin MONO speakers, the "yellow stain" which they first said was because they set the screen color to a more warmer color. That turned out to be a lie, the screens were rushed to meet demand from the supplier and had not cured properly (I fixed mine by a combo of UV light & leaving it in the sunlight). Problems with
accessories missing or not working, having to pay shipping to get the phone and even worse if you had problems, sending it back!
Then, they came out with the OnePlus 2, which had the ill fated 810 chip, which was a problem for every manufacturer that tried to use it.
The OP3/3T was the better of the bunch, but then they went "cheap(er)" with the 5/5T and switched from an optical image
stabilized camera sensor, to the electronic image stabilized sensor, with a faster lens hoping to make up the difference.
It's "not bad" but not as good as the OIS on the 3/3T.
Then what do they do with the 6? Glass back? Why? To make it more trendy,hip,colorful & stylish? That just allows them
to jack up the price. And, if it has a glass back, why not throw in wireless charging?
Nope, got stung by the OnePlus hype in 2014...not going that route, again unless I can walk into a brick store buy it,
and take it back if it doesn't work.

I'm going to hold onto this phone for a while. I'm running OpenKirin, which while it has a few bugs, has substantially fewer than EMUI 8 (which prevented some apps from running correctly). I like having a headphone jack, I like the screen, I like the battery life, the camera is fantastic, I like not having a glass back. But I will probably bite the bullet and buy a Google phone next, so that I get updates without having to hack my phone. I'll buy a bunch of USB-C to 3.5mm dongles.

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I'm going to hold onto this phone for a while. I'm running OpenKirin, which while it has a few bugs, has substantially fewer than EMUI 8 (which prevented some apps from running correctly). I like having a headphone jack, I like the screen, I like the battery life, the camera is fantastic, I like not having a glass back. But I will probably bite the bullet and buy a Google phone next, so that I get updates without having to hack my phone. I'll buy a bunch of USB-C to 3.5mm dongles.
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Well google some of the pixel problems you will be amazed. Bad screen, and mic not working after update are the most common.

When the Mate 11 (or whatever they call it) is announced, I start watching the price on the 10, just like I did when I had the 8, and then
10 was announced, the price on the 9 DROPPED. Once it hit the around $500 mark, I upgraded to the 9.

My Mate 9 was a fabulous device.
My OnePlus 5T is updated almost every week.
And it's VERY quick.
Huawei prices and the feeling of being dumped (I had to wait a year for updates!) It's a worrying trend
Am I going to wait for the Mate 20? We'll have to see.

Consumerism should be a disease.

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arminbih said:
Well google some of the pixel problems you will be amazed. Bad screen, and mic not working after update are the most common.
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I am hoping the Pixel 3 will be better. Meanwhile I am reasonably happy with the Mate 9.

I probably won't buy another Huawei -- their recent decision to stop providing bootloader unlock codes means they are too unfriendly to XDA. OnePlus gets a lot of XDA support, which is fantastic, but I don't want a device with a glass back. I drop my phone too often. (Spigen has been great on the Huawei.) It is too bad because the Mate 9 has great hardware, and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

weyrulez said:
i will still go with huawei. especially with local service. amazing 1:1 exchange if your phone has hardware problems. About UI, seen OP5T from a friend it was fast yes. but too boring seeing it stock google. i realized that stock was just hype. and it was too boring to see. no exciting UI features.
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what?? i dont know if your just shilling but none of what you said makes any sense. if your talking about the "optimizations" that hauwei implemnets, than maybe...... maybe! if your talking about the visual stuff....... then no!!! huawei could implement an OMS skin which could be easily disabled but instead royally bones the ui to look like ios.
android is about choice, if i want ios ill buy another iphone and just take whatever apple provides. huawei does great hardware but its software is just utter crap! its too bad they'll now be shunned in the US.

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what?? i dont know if your just shilling but none of what you said makes any sense. if your talking about the "optimizations" that hauwei implemnets, than maybe...... maybe! if your talking about the visual stuff....... then no!!! huawei could implement an OMS skin which could be easily disabled but instead royally bones the ui to look like ios.
android is about choice, if i want ios ill buy another iphone and just take whatever apple provides. huawei does great hardware but its software is just utter crap! its too bad they'll now be shunned in the US.
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About OS? You can compare if you already used both. There's an option to enable app drawer on huawei phones. For OP5t's OS. Youll see how boring it is and how secure your credit card is.
We both have opinions. No one is wrong or right. It is up to you if you wanna prove you are better.

weyrulez said:
About OS? You can compare if you already used both. There's an option to enable app drawer on huawei phones. For OP5t's OS. Youll see how boring it is and how secure your credit card is.
We both have opinions. No one is wrong or right. It is up to you if you wanna prove you are better.
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what?? im going to assume that there is a language barrier here. if so, i apologize. the problem here is still that you seem to equate OOS with aosp which it is not. no one uses stock AOSP. even google doesnt use stock AOSP on the pixels. they use a modified pixel specific ROM.
all OEMs use AOSP and then modify it for their use. most OEMs now just add custom optimizations but leave the UI alone so the users can customize through OMS skins. Huawei still bastardizes this with their iOS like skin which is horrible. the battery optimizations are also a headache because they often kill important apps and the lockscreen mod is just terrible!
the huawei ROM has nothing when compared to an AOSP ROM such as AOSP extended, Paranoid Android or even LineageOS. these ROMs provide great features and endless security updates.
if you prefer the stock ROM thats great for you but it doesnt compare to a ROM that gives you options and full control of your device. i suggest you give AOSP Extended a try.

Interesting to read through the topic...Had multiple Samsungs in the past as my daily drivers but since I lost a couple of them due to emmc chip failures I moved away from the ugly overpriced Samsungs.
Everybody has different opinions and preferences, the times I was flashing custom Roms are over. For my work I need a reliable phone with good battery life at a descent price. The Mate 9 and Mate 10 are performing as expected without any problem both running stock Roms. Never had any issues after upgrades, even from Nougat to Oreo was painless. The Mate 9 from my wife did struggle with the upgrade from Nougat to Oreo. Had to factory reset this one to get it working correctly.
I can see a trend here, Huawei seems to go the same direction Samsung took, their devices getting more and more expensive and their customer service goes down as their popularity increases.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Honor View 20, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Honor View 20 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I just switched to honor devices first time and it's difficult to use
May be it's due to pie upgradation or honor device but it requires too much permissions for any app
I was panic till 1 day because I was not getting notification until I open the app then I gave permission for notification which lead to resolution

Should I buy or not?
Hey @fahadbashir, Should I buy or not?

lreddy2019 said:
Hey @fahadbashir, Should I buy or not?
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I think you should buy global version because features are much impressive but I am facing notification issues in Chinese rom which is very annoying for me and I am thinking to switch
Otherwise phone is good for camera, performance, battery timing

The phone looks stunning, most beautiful phone I've ever seen. Camera is amazing, tho I haven't got a clue on how to use most of its functions and there is no tutorial either which sucks. Having the Global Model was a surprisingly disappointing buying experience since it did not come with headphones nor back cover so I had to buy one. The icons are very large as is text. That was also surprising, as I'm used to small icons and text. Despite changing both to the smallest possible it's still huge.

tp.kahara said:
The phone looks stunning, most beautiful phone I've ever seen. Camera is amazing, tho I haven't got a clue on how to use most of its functions and there is no tutorial either which sucks. Having the Global Model was a surprisingly disappointing buying experience since it did not come with headphones nor back cover so I had to buy one. The icons are very large as is text. That was also surprising, as I'm used to small icons and text. Despite changing both to the smallest possible it's still huge.
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The chinese version doesn't have headphones too.

Honor View20 is such an interesting phone. It's hard not to love when it was the first phone with a 48MP camera, ToF sensor ect.

lreddy2019 said:
Hey @fahadbashir, Should I buy or not?
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u can buy it

i thinked abot sending it back but oVer the days the more i use it the more i like it. Nothing to do apple with it. Nor samsung s10 camera

Thoughts
It is worthy my money¿

I think the phone is great (5 stars) but I will give it 1 star because it's been out for 6 months and even after contacting Huawei through various means including twitter, Huawei can't/doesn't care about fixing the f*ing weather app so that my town is found in the search.
All phones I have ever used can find Guildford, England, including all other Huawei phones but this one doesn't.
It's 6 months to fix a bug that would probably take 5 minutes if anyone bothered so f*** off Huawei you are too arrogant to ever get my money again.

my current phone is honor 10, i love it very much, so for my next phone i will also choose honor, honor 20 should be much better.

Surprising Phone
I got mine as part of a downsizing of my contract costs, so this cost me £20pm for a 24month contract.
For the money, it simply is incredible. Considering the phone launched at £579 (I got the 8/256GB model) the drop in price to get a 2GB/Unlimited everything else contract for less TCO than the RRP is pretty great.
The screen is bright and somehow better in sunlight than my old S8 despite the latter officially having a much better sunlight contrast. The phone performs great with a 300k+ AntuTu score, and no apps phase the thing. With a bit of work getting a consistent dark theme helps a great deal too in terms of usability and the UI feels fine to sue although I instantly switched to the familiarity of the Microsoft Launcher.
The main camera is so much better than I expected for a budget flagship. The AI Ultra Clarity mode is stunning when used outdoors. Need to test video mode but compared to the S8 the main camera is a massive step up. The selfie camera is average but I'm not too worried about that.
Overall, yes you lack stuff like a periscope zoom camera and wide angle, but considering a S10e would cost me £200 more TCO, come with 128GB less storage? It isn't enough of an upgrade to justify the expense, despite the AMOLED screen being undeniably better. Design wise, the View 20 is more than a match and the back pattern on the Phantom Blue is amazing.
Overall, so far, so good.
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anonimo said:
I think the phone is great (5 stars) but I will give it 1 star because it's been out for 6 months and even after contacting Huawei through various means including twitter, Huawei can't/doesn't care about fixing the f*ing weather app so that my town is found in the search.
All phones I have ever used can find Guildford, England, including all other Huawei phones but this one doesn't.
It's 6 months to fix a bug that would probably take 5 minutes if anyone bothered so f*** off Huawei you are too arrogant to ever get my money again.
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Guildford is listed on the app, I think you may have a user specific bug!

Stop It said:
Guildford is listed on the app, I think you may have a user specific bug!
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Thanks for posting this! I deleted data and cache of the Weather app and now the phone can find Guildford! I guess I should have tried this earlier. I am still annoyed that nobody from Huawei tried to help me with this problem.

anonimo said:
Thanks for posting this! I deleted data and cache of the Weather app and now the phone can find Guildford! I guess I should have tried this earlier. I am still annoyed that nobody from Huawei tried to help me with this problem.
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Yeah, they should've helped a lot sooner especially for what could've been a simple fix to get back to you with. Customer Service really is important and this is a big failing frankly.

Hello if anyone here does not play the Game Fortnite but uses this phone, please contact me at [email protected] there is an exclusive in game cosmetic with the phone to claim for free and i would like it!

If anyone has this phone and does not play fortnite I would appreciate it if you could send me the code that comes with the phone to unlock a skin in game for fortnite. I would really appreciate it if you could email me the code at [email protected] since I want the Honor 20, but cannot afford it at the moment and would like the fortnite skin at least for now.

F*A*C*T
Huawei spies on you.

Love
I am using Honor 7C . Great device. Build quality is no so great put performance wise it a great device
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LedgendaryEpics said:
Huawei spies on you.
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I don't think so. If you have any proof i would love to know
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fahadbashir said:
I just switched to honor devices first time and it's difficult to use
May be it's due to pie upgradation or honor device but it requires too much permissions for any app
I was panic till 1 day because I was not getting notification until I open the app then I gave permission for notification which lead to resolution
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yes it is difficult to use first time but with the time you are going to love this device

Honor View20 is such an interesting phone. It's hard to love when it was the first phone with a 48MP camera, ToF sensor ect.....

S10+ vs. Note 9 which will last longer?

Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?

No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.

Corv0 said:
No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???

androidbadboy said:
Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
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What happened to your S8?

Corv0 said:
What happened to your S8?
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When I updated trough OTA from Android 8.0 with Samsung Exp. to Android 9 Pie + One UI the pros: battery consumption went at least 3 times(!!!) the cons: S8 started lagging, microfreezing, isntt as smooth and speedy as its used to be, despite:
- very low amount of foreign apps that I installed since buying
- frequent restarts of phone as recommended
- phone has never been rooter or custom rommed

I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The note has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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Davey Dual Sim said:
I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The not has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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+! thanks points! for You!
The info about Note and S9 and eye-stare will be helpful.
How about when I use a S9 with a stylus pen instead of a finger?
As for deliberate slowing down pf phones..... I like Your attitude although I don't agree with your point of view cause when You really look at the bigger picture not only from Samsung's stand point but other brands, Google as Android manufactuer, the early 1900's story of bulbs, modern cars, everything and you return later form this wide picture to Samsung''s perspective with all that's been happening everywhere a person that is well oriented in mobile stuff and can even do some tests by himself can CLEARly see that phones are deliberately being slown down. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge for instance could handle Android Pie with ease as well much more next ones if it weren't for that sad practice - of course AS LONG AS there would be no new hardware required new software feature(s) without which the Android future release would loose it's main event special funcionality.
However. I would like to hear what You and other have to say about it, cause I can see that people here make very interesting points and not often a major myth is being discovered thanks to our conversations.
Please enjoy and come in everyone

BTW is norma S10 without PLUS even a contender for Note9?

Kind people of XDA hellp me make a decision please. Write what you think

Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!

I have both devices. Battery better on the S10+. Screen better. Speed faster. Unlocks quicker and easier for me, lighter, thinner, sound is much louder , camera gas the wife mode, selfie is better. The only thing I am [not] missing is the s pen.

I had the note 9, and just got my s10 plus yesterday. There is absolutely no comparison camera wise. My note 9 was horrendous, and in any sunny out door setting it would blow out the highlights and over expose. The hdr function was **** too. S10 plus is the best phone I've ever used

I have both also but Ive only had the S10 plus for a few days so I cant make a detailed comparison yet.
What I will say is the ultrasonic fingerprint scanner on the S10 needs more development..its terrible.
Hardly ever unlocks the first try and is slow when it does unlock. My Note 9 unlocks the first time every time and is instant.
Im sure sammy will improve the function with software updates but even after a few days the S10 plus is annoying me due to this.
I also miss being able to use face unlock on the S10 due to having to wear surgical gloves at work it is handy at tines, they really should have left the retina scanner on the device.
Unlocking your phone is a basic function and should work flawlessly, its just not there yet on the S10 IMO.

@ekerbuddyeker @sstanton86 @force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?

androidbadboy said:
@[email protected]@force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
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Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.

force70 said:
Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
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"nitpicking" - maybe you thought of not picking.
The reason I mentioned Note8 is that I just want to expriance that phone for a while and probably sell it after 3 months or who knows, everyone claims that I could get addicted to Note and never buy anything else....
I will test a bunch of flagships from many brands like Huawei, Samsung, LG, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and then decide which is the one for me. I bet it could be a Note vs. S10+ vs. a ..... Xiaomi (!!!!)

androidbadboy said:
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.

Corv0 said:
Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?

androidbadboy said:
+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.

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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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1. Since Note's are business phones I think Samsung will give them longer time for security patches and probably +1 more Android update in compare with the Galaxy S series.
2. Note's are for businessman and You might think that they will change it every September for a new one cause they can simply afford it but I strangely enough they somehow get used to one and stay on him. I witnessed a guy that came down to the mall's electronic shop with the best Samsung device ever (Note 4) and with sad face told the sellers that he thinks it's time to change his Note4 for a newer Note because ........ damn I can't remember that cause I was so shocked.
3. Business man don't really care about having the best or latest phone. The don't have the teens or women's addiction to shopping and having everything new.
4. Businessman have a lot more on their heads than worry about a phone and I think that Samsung realizes it and that's why a Note would win in terms of longevity with a Galaxy S.
5. I am the kind of man that will not get screen burned out - too long story. Just believe me that this argument is not for me.
6.. Now it's up to which Note shall I buy. Cause S10+ will be bought eventually during 12to24 months.
7. Note8 is so cheap that I could make my dreams come true and test every brand like I mentioned a couple of posts before.
8. Please don't give up and try to fight for Note9 or Note8 or against them., cause if I don't buy any of them I could quicker roll over the competition phones by saving the money that I have for Note8/Note9.