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Plain and simple: When the Evo is fully charged, it begins running off its battery until you plug it back in. It DOES NOT trickle charge whatsoever after it reaches 100%. When you're using your Evo on the charger, and it's showing full 100% charge, it is running off the battery, not the AC plug. And then when you unplug it, well, we all know what happens next. The battery meter drops insanely fast to the actual charge of the battery, which could be very low, depending on how long it's been sitting idle at 100% on your charger.
So all those times you've charged your Evo overnight, only to take it to work the next day and be at 80% within an hour? Your Evo was running off its battery for what I'm guessing was most of the night. It takes my Evo about an hour to two hours to fully charge back to 100%. Let's say you put your Evo on the charger at 11PM, it'll reach full charge by 1AM at the latest, and then run off its battery until whenever you take it off the charger in the morning.
Workarounds?
1) Turn your Evo off while it's charging.
2) If you must leave it on for an alarm clock, put it in airplane mode and end all CPU intensive tasks to minimize battery drain.
3) When you wake up, unplug it for 10-20 minutes (still experimenting with this number), and then plug it back in to top it off. Once it reaches 100%, take it off the charger, and go about your day.
Try it out for yourself. When your Evo is 100% charged, take it off the charger immediately, and I highly doubt you will lose the 10%-15% within minutes. Please share your findings.
Er... Point of note, mine does it even if I pull it off the charger right when it turns green.
Post some technical schematic or other type of proof that shows that this circuitry isn't available in the EVO. That will prove beyond a doubt if what your saying is true.
That being said, only a group of the most retarded electrical engineers would design a charging system as you've described. It is INSANELY easy to build Li-Polymer charging circuitry that does the following (and it pretty much has to do these):
1. Detects battery temperature, and disables charging as a protective measure. In an emergency case it should shut off the device it's powering to allow the battery to cool down. This is a design requirement, or else your house burns down as you dump water on a Lithium fire thinking it's going to put it out. If you have a HERO, you can easily test this. Running the wireless tethering, GPS/Navigation, and Music with the screen running heats up the phone a ton. You'll notice the status light blink green once, then red a couple of times. This means that it's plugged in but not charging. Cool the phone down and it turns solid red again (charging).
2. Disable charging cycle when battery reaches a certain voltage. VERY SIMPLE voltage detection circuitry! The designer can of course adjust a gap to have charging turn back on when it dips below a certain voltage. Usually since this circuitry can be made with a decent amount of precision, that "turn back on" voltage ends up being roughly when the battery discharges to maybe 99.5%. That's just a guess, I admit but there's no harm in having the circuit switch on and off, even if it's often.
There are also a few other circuits that prevent the cell from blowing up in your pocket, like a current sensor to prevent an overcurrent. There's also some stuff that prevents you from being able to discharge the cell below it's avalanche voltage. In case you don't know what that is, when a Li-Ion battery discharges to a certain voltage, it avalanches to 0 (quickly falls). If it hits that point, you've pretty much ruined the battery and it will never charge the same again.
Anyway, this is stuff they taught and had design labs on back in college. While I have no actual proof that the phone wasn't designed as the OP describes, I find it highly unlikely. If this is the behavior that the circuitry exhibits, I would find it easier to believe that it's a design flaw, probably because some idiot didn't compile the correct bill of materials.
I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
I would turn it off while I'm charging it overnight, but I use it as my alarm clock
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I am seeing the exact same behavior as the OP. This is really lame. Because of this, most people will end up losing 10% of their battery every day. Pretty lame.
I charge my phone overnight every night. Never noticed a problem and I just checked my battery and its at 88% and has been off the charger for 2.5hours so I'm not seeing the rapid discharge issue some people are seeing.
I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
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I'll try this out to see if I can get the same kind of behavior. I guess I honestly haven't looked to see if the phone drops 10-15% after pulling it off.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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This is what should be happening I believe, but I'd be surprised if it was set to such a huge swing like 10-15%
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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This is an interesting theory. I do know that when you have multiple Li-Ion cells in a battery pack, if they discharge unevenly, you have to go off of the lowest charged cell. Again, if a cell were to drop below the avalanche voltage, you'd ruin the pack all together. On the other hand, the circuitry should let ALL cells charge to 100% so it's even again. Maybe they screwed this up, that design isn't so easy! Perhaps it detects one cell as 100% and shuts off the charge. Therefore, one could surmise that if you started with an unevenly charged battery pack, you'd have an immediate decrease in charge to the rating of the lowest charged cell. The good news (maybe) is that this is sometimes implemented with software. That means that HTC could release a bug fix for this, or if we have a savvy dev, they could try to fix it. We just need to prove the theory though.
This is all just a guess, keep that in mind. If I notice something like this with my phone today, maybe I can tear apart the battery and measure the voltage on each cell (if it even has multiple cells). I have a spare, so maybe I'd be up for this. Krynj (or anyone), if you have the HTC Hero, try charging your battery pack with it, see if it exhibits the same behavior on the Hero itself. If it doesn't, then try putting it back into the EVO and see if after a night of charging, it still drops 10-15% after disconnecting it from the AC.
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
Apple laptops don't charge unless battery is below 90%. If you plug in the AC and the battery is above 90%, it will just run off AC power but I don't think the battery drains any then.
My battery life has been less than stellar, but I didn't notice it dropping 10-15% instantly off the charger. I did notice that it'd drop about 10% after driving to work with xiialive streaming, which was unusual to me. The battery would start running out after about 9 hours at work. I'd be in the yellow by the time I got home, and the battery would be complaining for a charge in the evening. So that's roughly 12 hours I would be getting out of the phone after normal use.
Since I'm suspecting an issue with the charging circuitry, I just recently tried charging my battery with the Hero. After it was fully charged, I put it back into my EVO last night and haven't charged it since. It's been running 13 hours, and is still nearly full green. The charge is at about 70%. I've been trying to graph the discharge all day too. It only dropped to 87% over night, dropped to 80% when I drove to work (xiialive), and then down to 74% after I spent some time setting up icons and modifying my home screen. This is...hands down a butt ton better than the past week.
I'm not using 4G.
WiFi is off.
3G is on.
GPS is on.
Not running a live wallpaper.
Sync is running at default settings.
Widgets that could be updating constantly:
I have the Clock/Weather HTC widget running.
I have the Dictionary.com "word of the day" widget.
I have the Friendstream Widget running.
Craigslist Craignotifica app is running, set to notify me with search results.
The results are inconclusive though. Yesterday, I wiped and re-flashed DamageControl 3.2.x from scratch (backed up all apps with Ti-Backup, this means Android Market won't be notifying me if there are app updates -grumble-). So, somewhere between re-flashing and also charging my battery with the Hero caused this turn around.
apollooff320 said:
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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Interesting.....Will have to give a try. Will report back later.
I'm waiting for some definitive results with the "use another charging device or battery" method. It seems that the EVO just sucks at recharging the battery since people who have used another phone or a separate charger seem to report better results.
I leave my phone off at night and charge it - when I turn it on in the morning it still drops 5-10% in the first 20 minutes. But during the day it drops REALLY slow, so I still can get about 13-16 hours before 15% easily.
I have manual account sync, 3g only, wifi at home, usually gps is off, auto backlight settings for screen, and I don't run too many apps in the background, I just use them when I need them.
Has anybody found a solution to this? It's really starting to bother me. I've noticed that I don't seem to have the issue if I charge -> recovery -> wipe battery stats -> reboot. That kind of leads me to believe that something is inaccurate about the battery stats and the phone instead uses the actual raw value provided by the battery instead of whatever it is that it does with the battery stats.
I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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can you post a link or ebay or where ever u bought it from?
Try this I'm doing it from the phone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250641711190&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1991wt_913
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apollooff320 said:
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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If you have apps on your sd card that are running then yes that could be the case. SD cards need power to work but I dont know how much they draw..
Is it just me or everyone else that is experiencing a super long time in charging their phone to full battery? I am running the froyostone latest build and I have already followed all the guides in this forum to save battery life. The issue I am having is that it takes many hours to recharge the battery to full when connected to a wall charger.
It took 5 hours to go from 30% battery to 90%.
*no i wasn't charging the phone with the phone turn off*
Zythyr said:
Is it just me or everyone else that is experiencing a super long time in charging their phone to full battery? I am running the froyostone latest build and I have already followed all the guides in this forum to save battery life. The issue I am having is that it takes many hours to recharge the battery to full when connected to a wall charger.
It took 5 hours to go from 30% battery to 90%.
*no i wasn't charging the phone with the phone turn off*
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I have a stock battery, which I can charge from 25% or less to 100% in about 30 minutes to an hour. I think there is something wrong with your charger.
its actually not taking that long, it probably got to 90% VERY quickly, you just checked on it later... they're false numbers... what you need to do is this; run your battery all the way down.. then charge it for about 1-2hrs, until it gets somewhere in the 90's then, while plugged in, shut the phone down, remove the battery, put the battery back in, boot up the phone (the phone should remain plugged in) then load up WM, load up android with the hard buttons backlight on, then once it boots you should show higher than what you had before (if not 100%) from this point android will remember your charge and you will be able to go to 100% all the time now. (until you load a new rom)
10507 said:
I have a stock battery, which I can charge from 25% or less to 100% in about 30 minutes to an hour. I think there is something wrong with your charger.
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I got stock battery also. No idea why it taking so long.
javolin13 said:
its actually not taking that long, it probably got to 90% VERY quickly, you just checked on it later... they're false numbers... what you need to do is this; run your battery all the way down.. then charge it for about 1-2hrs, until it gets somewhere in the 90's then, while plugged in, shut the phone down, remove the battery, put the battery back in, boot up the phone (the phone should remain plugged in) then load up WM, load up android with the hard buttons backlight on, then once it boots you should show higher than what you had before (if not 100%) from this point android will remember your charge and you will be able to go to 100% all the time now. (until you load a new rom)
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I have already tried this but still no luck.
10507 said:
I have a stock battery, which I can charge from 25% or less to 100% in about 30 minutes to an hour. I think there is something wrong with your charger.
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What kernel are you using?
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What kernel are you using?
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I am using hastarin r8 kernel, but I was experiencing the same issue with previous versions and the default kernel.
I just tested the charging rate by connecting my HD2 to a stock charger from HTC which I borrowed from a friend. Charging was a lot faster.
Since I bought my HD2 used, the charger that came with it, is not the stock charger from HTC.
But I still don't understand what is causing the charging to be very slow.
How to calculate charging time
Charging time = capacity of battery x 1,4 / charging current
HD2 stock battery= 1230mAh x 1,4 / 1000mA = 1,7 hours
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Two things on charging batteries:
1) First, make sure none of the pins in the battery compartment is bent. This dramatically slowed charging for me once.
2) Android keeps battery stats in a file that gets loaded with your build. THese stats are often wrong. Be sure to fully charge under WinMo, then with power still attached, boot into Android. This will adjust some of the stats and charging in Android should be fine then. There's a thread somewhere on more details here if you want to tweak your stats. The battery slows down its charging when it gets close to the full state. If for some reason your charger thinks the temperature is getting too high or the state is getting near full it dramatically slows the charging rate. Both of these could be erroneous interpretations of the battery data. Also, if you have an extended battery, make sure to use a Kernel that is compatible with extended batteries, like Hastarin 7.x.
Zythyr said:
I just tested the charging rate by connecting my HD2 to a stock charger from HTC which I borrowed from a friend. Charging was a lot faster.
Since I bought my HD2 used, the charger that came with it, is not the stock charger from HTC.
But I still don't understand what is causing the charging to be very slow.
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Not all chargers are built the same. Some usb charger provide more juice while others provide less. Maybe your non stock charger came from a non smart phone...
Zythyr said:
Is it just me or everyone else that is experiencing a super long time in charging their phone to full battery? I am running the froyostone latest build and I have already followed all the guides in this forum to save battery life. The issue I am having is that it takes many hours to recharge the battery to full when connected to a wall charger.
It took 5 hours to go from 30% battery to 90%.
*no i wasn't charging the phone with the phone turn off*
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Current Widget from the Market can tell you how many mA your phone is getting when it's charging.
this is just an approximation formula. a lithium ion battery charger is more sophisticated than this. it first brings battery voltage up to 20% safely (because any voltage below this is the harmful zone of operation), then it stuffs the battery at full capacity upto 80%. then in the 3rd stage, the current drops linearly with time.
over the past year, my stock battery gives me the following profile:
20-80% -> 1 hour (800-820ma constant, unless phone is awake)
80-100% -> 1 hour (800 -> 0ma)
by 100% i mean 0ma charge current. not 100% on the battery icon. you should be aware that the battery is still charging even after the indicator reaches 100%. but the current is insignificant (10-20ma)
even though the charger is rated at 5v 1A, it supplies only 820ma current at the maximum. this is normal. also for a lion battery the safe operating regions are around 20-90%. by safe i mean prolonging battery life. this roughly corresponds to 3.6v - 4.0v. avoid overcharging your battery frequently.
also someone mentioned current widget as a good approximate tool to study battery performance. you might also want to delete batterystats.bin and condition your battery once (i.e. fully discharge and fully recharge). this will force android to re-determine the new 0% and 100% levels. search the android forums for this.
hope this helps.
leehobin said:
Charging time = capacity of battery x 1,4 / charging current
HD2 stock battery= 1230mAh x 1,4 / 1000mA = 1,7 hours
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silenced3 said:
this is just an approximation formula. a lithium ion battery charger is more sophisticated than this. it first brings battery voltage up to 20% safely (because any voltage below this is the harmful zone of operation), then it stuffs the battery at full capacity upto 80%. then in the 3rd stage, the current drops linearly with time.
over the past year, my stock battery gives me the following profile:
20-80% -> 1 hour (800-820ma constant, unless phone is awake)
80-100% -> 1 hour (800 -> 0ma)
by 100% i mean 0ma charge current. not 100% on the battery icon. you should be aware that the battery is still charging even after the indicator reaches 100%. but the current is insignificant (10-20ma)
even though the charger is rated at 5v 1A, it supplies only 820ma current at the maximum. this is normal. also for a lion battery the safe operating regions are around 20-90%. by safe i mean prolonging battery life. this roughly corresponds to 3.6v - 4.0v. avoid overcharging your battery frequently.
also someone mentioned current widget as a good approximate tool to study battery performance. you might also want to delete batterystats.bin and condition your battery once (i.e. fully discharge and fully recharge). this will force android to re-determine the new 0% and 100% levels. search the android forums for this.
hope this helps.
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wow ! thanks alot !
Is it bad to let my charge over night overnight? I thought it would stop charging when it got full to avoid overhanging.
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Since I have access to a a battery simulator and charger... the best way to recondition a battery is:
1. Create a low battery scenario by lowering the input voltage to just a hair above 2.7 volts (I had to create a shim to get to the battery receiver leads).
2. Boot with full 4.2 and in ClockWork remove battery stats
3. Drain and Charge battery to 4.2
I get enterprise email and I get a lot of mail daily that I have to read and respond to (150 or more -- no I don't respond to all of them), plus the phone calls, RSS reading and some texting plus a pic here and there and maybe a couple of you tube videos. I get more than 24 hours until the 15 % comes up. 50 hours would be nice but that did not even happen in my black berry with Edge only.
Mine improve 3 fold from sub 7 hours to 24 plus (yes I sleep late so probably the phone gets a 6 hour rest but the enterprise email and text is pushed down even then as I work with folks from Asia and Europe as well.
logdrum1 said:
Since I have access to a a battery simulator and charger... the best way to recondition a battery is:
1. Create a low battery scenario by lowering the input voltage to just a hair above 2.7 volts (I had to create a shim to get to the battery receiver leads).
2. Boot with full 4.2 and in ClockWork remove battery stats
3. Drain and Charge battery to 4.2
I get enterprise email and I get a lot of mail daily that I have to read and respond to (150 or more -- no I don't respond to all of them), plus the phone calls, RSS reading and some texting plus a pic here and there and maybe a couple of you tube videos. I get more than 24 hours until the 15 % comes up. 50 hours would be nice but that did not even happen in my black berry with Edge only.
Mine improve 3 fold from sub 7 hours to 24 plus (yes I sleep late so probably the phone gets a 6 hour rest but the enterprise email and text is pushed down even then as I work with folks from Asia and Europe as well.
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How do I create a low battery scenario by lowering the input voltage to just a hair above 2.7 volts?
hiltun said:
Is it bad to let my charge over night overnight? I thought it would stop charging when it got full to avoid overhanging.
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Yes, the "charger" that you plug into the wall is just a power supply, the actual "charger" is in the phone, and when it detects the battery is full it stops charging.
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
persiansoftware said:
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
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about 20% is the best time i read somewhere
jaythenut said:
about 20% is the best time i read somewhere
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if i empty the battery, is damage my battery??
persiansoftware said:
if i empty the battery, is damage my battery??
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If you do it to often it will shorten the battery life
wait till it asks You to charge , I guess that message is for this . Connect your charger ! under 15% Phone tells You itself
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persiansoftware said:
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
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Above are all incorrect!
Charge at 50% and you can do it about 1500 times.
Charge at 20% and you can do it about 700 times.
Source: lots of places and lots of experience, but alse here for you to read: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries (oh and "100% DoD" means fully drained battery!)
Peyman92 said:
wait till it asks You to charge , I guess that message is for this . Connect your charger ! under 15% Phone tells You itself
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I hope you dont do that for all your phones as it will destroy your battery way sooner. Charge it when it reaches 50% and you can do 3 to 5 years with the battery at 24/7 use. (Instead of the 1 to 2 years when draining the battery).
Yes, it is recommended to charge the battery when it below 40% and disconnect the charger when it reach 99%. Do not overchange.
There was a big test I did read and the best was to keep it between 40 and 80 percent.
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charge it when it prompts you to charge. at 19% you start getting the first recommendation in lockscreen, then at 15% you even get an annoying prompt.
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Are you guys seriously sitting and watching until the battery goes down to certain percentage? And for what? Battery is easy to replace and not that expensive, it has a circuit to protect it from over and under charging, to avoid the damage and you get many more shallow charge/discharge cycles than deep ones as already mentioned. I charge my phone daily in the evening at my convenience, usually before I go sleep regardless of what's left (unless I use it so much it can't last until evening), so by the time I go sleep it's 100% and by morning it will be around 97% and normally last me whole day. I've been doing this for yrs and for example my 4yr old Nokia I gave to my friend, still lasts him couple days of light use on original battery. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Every few months you may want to fully discharge it to lets say 3-5% to have the meter calibrated and maybe clean the contacts with alcohol every six months or so, but that's all the maintenance my battery will get or need. If it fails before the phone, it probably had some factory defect or something, but no big deal as long as there is replacement easy to buy and with so many millions of notes sold, there should be.
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Are you guys seriously sitting and watching until the battery goes down to certain percentage? And for what? Battery is easy to replace and not that expensive, it has a circuit to protect it from over and under charging, to avoid the damage and you get many more shallow charge/discharge cycles than deep ones as already mentioned. I charge my phone daily in the evening at my convenience, usually before I go sleep regardless of what's left (unless I use it so much it can't last until evening), so by the time I go sleep it's 100% and by morning it will be around 97% and normally last me whole day. I've been doing this for yrs and for example my 4yr old Nokia I gave to my friend, still lasts him couple days of light use on original battery. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Every few months you may want to fully discharge it to lets say 3-5% to have the meter calibrated and maybe clean the contacts with alcohol every six months or so, but that's all the maintenance my battery will get or need. If it fails before the phone, it probably had some factory defect or something, but no big deal as long as there is replacement easy to buy and with so many millions of notes sold, there should be.
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Couldn't agree more, I charge mine on a evening regardless and phone gets me easily through a day. If I notice a massive drop in the battery not holding a charge then I will buy a new one. More important things to worry about in life than watching my percentage for the battery.
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HanZie82 said:
Above are all incorrect!
Charge at 50% and you can do it about 1500 times.
Charge at 20% and you can do it about 700 times.
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That is good as a principle but the numbers are still rather big and depend even more on the charging current - if you charge (even) from 50% with 2000 mAh it will never last 1500 recharges - that is why Samsung has slightly improved the Note 3 recharging algorithm so as to use (variable) lower currents (even if the charger is 2000 mAh), and also why it is still far, far better to recharge from a very good USB at under 500 mAh (actually 450) - and indeed preferably from over 40%.
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That is good as a principle but the numbers are still rather big and depend even more on the charging current - if you charge (even) from 50% with 2000 mAh it will never last 1500 recharges - that is why Samsung has slightly improved the Note 3 recharging algorithm so as to use (variable) lower currents (even if the charger is 2000 mAh), and also why it is still far, far better to recharge from a very good USB at under 500 mAh (actually 450) - and indeed preferably from over 40%.
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As long as the charging current is lower then 1C (1 full charge for the note3 its 3200mAh) its not a problem and wont shorten lifetime.
But yeah charging at lower currents is better, but more due to less heat and induction.
Anyway its just sad that other people with little to no knowledge about lithium batterys are giving advice, and WRONG advice at that.
Just read the link i posted in previous post (page1) there are the facts. Dont believe just anybody, people are stupid. (yeah im people too )
The chemical reaction will be less when battery is drained and is hard to recover.
But if the battery seems dead, put it in the freezer for 2 or 3 hours and it will be recoverable.
Theres more to these batterys than people think.
Would there be a problem with charging the Z2 overnight knowing that is will reach 100% before you wake up, lets say 2-4 hours before you wake up? I have not experienced any over heating with the phone yet but I am worried that it will happen while its charging overnight without me knowing.
I heard that the new batteries stop charging when they reach a 100% is this true?
Yes it will stop charging when it reaches 100%. It's been like that for a while, even my S3 got that.
Leaving it overnight will be no problem (Well should be no problem, I don't have the phone yet)
90 or more % of people do this in that way. There is absolutely no risk. When 100% will be reached, charging will be stopped and phone will use battery power. Eventually after couple hours charger will refill battery ex from 99 to 100%.
Alright that's good to know. my phone is charging right now but its quite cold. Guess the over heating problem was in some devices only.
I thought the overheating problem only occured when recording in 4K. I haven't had any issues with heat except when recording long sessions.
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I also did not hear about overheating during charging over the night...
You can leave it on and not worry about heat, but here's the thing: the phone obviously stops charging at 100%, but once it stopped, the phone starts discharging, then it recharges to 100% again, discharges, recharges and this goes on until you pull it off. So while you can safely leave it on cause nothing dangerous will happen to you or the phone, know that it will be in a charging loop which can't be good for the battery.
Ideal thing would be the phone stopping charging altogether at 100%, and not recharging until hitting like 95%. Right now, when it notices the tiniest drop, it will recharge.
^ True. I think it's really NOT good for battery to be charged overnight.
I've done this with all my smartphones. My s3 have charged almost every night for two years. It still lasts a day. I don't think it harms charging it over night.
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nikola1970 said:
^ True. I think it's really NOT good for battery to be charged overnight.
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So please give us a better, convenient way.
cedropol said:
So please give us a better, convenient way.
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Technology expert "Eric Limer" explaining about overnight charging and quoting the "Battery University" findings....
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smar...your-mobile-if-you-want-to-boost-battery-life
I have been recharging my phones overnight without one single issue since my first cell twenty years ago to present.
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Technology expert "Eric Limer" explaining about overnight charging and quoting the "Battery University" findings....
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smar...your-mobile-if-you-want-to-boost-battery-life
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really i've heard this for the first time... besides every person has his own say about batteries... I say no matter how you charge the phone, todays batteries are made to last...well atleast a year till you are eligible for an upgrade
I have been charging my Z1 overnight for 7 months now, battery is excellent today, just like when I bought it
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I can quite believe that that expert knows what he is talking about, however, surely the person that has designed the battery charging circuit will be in the best position to understand the workings of the battery?
Why would they design something that is harmful to the battery in normal use?
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I can quite believe that that expert knows what he is talking about, however, surely the person that has designed the battery charging circuit will be in the best position to understand the workings of the battery?
Why would they design something that is harmful to the battery in normal use?
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As an electrical engineer I'd like to point out that having the battery charged is the best you can do if you're using an lithium-ion battery. I read a lot of nonsense in the Internet regarding this matter. Only if you'd like to keep the battery unused for a long time it's good practice to keep it at ~50% (that's why the manufacturers do not charge the battery to 100% when it comes out of the factory).
But you don't have to believe me, it's your battery. Who cares?
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I have been recharging my phones overnight without one single issue since my first cell twenty years ago to present.
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Yeah, but have you been charging the same phone overnight for 12 years?
BoneXDA said:
Yeah, but have you been charging the same phone overnight for 12 years?
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I keep a phone, on average, about six months.... Ha.
Jackos said:
As an electrical engineer I'd like to point out that having the battery charged is the best you can do if you're using an lithium-ion battery. I read a lot of nonsense in the Internet regarding this matter. Only if you'd like to keep the battery unused for a long time it's good practice to keep it at ~50% (that's why the manufacturers do not charge the battery to 100% when it comes out of the factory).
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I thought they didn't charge it all the way to save energy. I mean how much energy does it take to charge millions of devices.
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I thought they didn't charge it all the way to save energy. I mean how much energy does it take to charge millions of devices.
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That's a myth. The cost is mariginal if you take into account how much energy the whole manufacturing process does consume.
Hi guys, I usually lost about 3% overnight with 4G and power saving mode. But tonight a strange thing happened. For the first time, I got a huge battery drain. I leave the phone at 01:30 am with 25% and this morning I found it turned off. I think that is impossible to lose 25% over 7 hours, what could be happened? I would like to know if the fact that the battery has reached 0% and the phone shutted down can damage the battery.
I am a little bit worried since I read a lot about the fact that the battery never should reach 0% and the phone doesn't have to shutdown.
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No it can't damage the battery. At least not if you charge it in the next few days. Here's the thing. The battery voltage should never reach under 2.5v. If this happen, the small chipset inside the battery will completely turn it off in order to prevent further loss of voltage. When this happens, the battery pins will be unresponsive, meaning that it can't provide electricity and can't get electricity either. It means you won't be able to charge it with your regular charger. At this point it's not even completely dead, but it would need some professional chargers to in order to revive it.
With that being said, your phone shuts down well before reaching 2.5v. Unless you leave the battery it at 0% for days (or probably weeks) you can still charge it and everything will be perfectly fine.
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No it can't damage the battery. At least not if you charge it in the next few days. Here's the thing. The battery voltage should never reach under 2.5v. If this happen, the small chipset inside the battery will completely turn it off in order to prevent further loss of voltage. When this happens, the battery pins will be unresponsive, meaning that it can't provide electricity and can't get electricity either. It means you won't be able to charge it with your regular charger. At this point it's not even completely dead, but it would need some professional chargers to in order to revive it.
With that being said, your phone shuts down well before reaching 2.5v. Unless you leave the battery it at 0% for days (or probably weeks) you can still charge it and everything will be perfectly fine.
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First, thank you for the explanation, I don't know so much things about batteries, but I do know that there are a lot of legends out there. Usually I charge my phone when I reach 4/5% not less. Is that a bad beavhiour? About my topic, like I said this is the very first time that the battery completely discharge and the phone obviously shut itself down. When I woke up I putted the phone into charge immediately. I just hope that it's all ok, but I don't understand how it is possible to drain 25% of battery over 7 hours or less.
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It doesn't really matter for Lithium-Ion batteries. It's not bad, but it's not good either. Use the way you like it. There's no harm in charging it to 100% every time you see it under 50%. There's no harm if you don't charge it from 0 to 70% either. It really doesn't matter. The worst thing that can potentially happen is to get some odd numbers for the remaining charge. Like having 80% and in just 2 minutes to have 76%. The capacity of the battery will be the same, it will last the same, only the indicator might be a little inaccurate. If you ever notice this, do a full cycle. Discharge it to 0% (let the phone shut-down), charge it to 100% and that's it. It will show accurate readings again.
But you don't have to do that constantly. Only if notice wrong readings.
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It doesn't really matter for Lithium-Ion batteries. It's not bad, but it's not good either. Use the way you like it. There's no harm in charging it to 100% every time you see it under 50%. There's no harm if you don't charge it from 0 to 70% either. It really doesn't matter. The worst thing that can potentially happen is to get some odd numbers for the remaining charge. Like having 80% and in just 2 minutes to have 76%. The capacity of the battery will be the same, it will last the same, only the indicator might be a little inaccurate. If you ever notice this, do a full cycle. Discharge it to 0% (let the phone shut-down), charge it to 100% and that's it. It will show accurate readings again.
But you don't have to do that constantly. Only if notice wrong readings.
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Until now i didn't saw any wrong readings, except from 100% to about 94/95% where the battery drop faster. Except that i often let the battery reach 4/5%, but if it is not good i will charge it when it reach max 10%. About the 0% question i hope that this will not happen again and that the battery keeps its complete functionality after this episode
Don't worry, it's good. Li-Ion batteries are way more durable than the old Li-Pol batteries.
I hope so Thank you.
I had 37% battery drained overnight and wondered why...I turned off google photos backup and now is fine. I still lost about 9% overnight but it isn;t too bad as I get a lot of notifications through the night
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I had 37% battery drained overnight and wondered why...I turned off google photos backup and now is fine. I still lost about 9% overnight but it isn;t too bad as I get a lot of notifications through the night
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In my case my phone drains about 3/4% overnight, but like i said this morning i found it turned off and i leave it with 25% of charge. Very weird, i don't have an explanation yet.
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In my case my phone drains about 3/4% overnight, but like i said this morning i found it turned off and i leave it with 25% of charge. Very weird, i don't have an explanation yet.
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Well on my 6s plus it seems to die when at 8% which it did yesterday. It never gets under 5% it does before that
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Well on my 6s plus it seems to die when at 8% which it did yesterday. It never gets under 5% it does before that
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The S7 arrives at 1% tops.
It doesn't really matter for Lithium-Ion batteries. It's not bad, but it's not good either. Use the way you like it. There's no harm in charging it to 100% every time you see it under 50%. There's no harm if you don't charge it from 0 to 70% either. It really doesn't matter.
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About that, i read some topic on other forums where people says that is very bad discharge the phone until 4/5% and they says that the correct thing to do should be to discharge the phone when it reach 40% of charge, because under that percentage the battery's life became shorter. This seems really strange to me.