Reddit AMA (Ask me anything) with the Pixel C developers + Summary - Pixel C General

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3w3x7p/hi_im_andrew_here_at_google_and_im_with_the_team/
The Pixel C will support USB 3.1 transfers in host and client mode using the Type C connector
Double tap 2 wake has been left out because they found it was draining too much battery
Always on "OK Google" support will be added at a later time
The Pixel C developers are relying on the third party app developers to make tablet friendly applications (obvious)
It was decided to focus on the keyboard experience, rather than an active stylus ala iPad Pro
The Pixel C will be an AOSP supported device
The bootloader will be unlockable
It will not support Chromebook style recovery via USB
The firmware is open source
Displayport over the Type C connection is being worked on with no ETA
The display will have a brightness of 500 nits
OS updates are expected to be released to line up with the monthly security updates for Android
The "C" in Pixel C stands for "convertible"
There are a bunch of things being developed/worked on for the Pixel C that they couldn't talk about, so we have more to look forward to

Hey, could you ask if the bootloader will be unlockable ?
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misteurz said:
Hey, could you ask if the bootloader will be unlockable ?
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I take it you didn't read my summary...

Lol, sorry
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misteurz said:
Lol, sorry
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It's all good.
I will update this thread if they come back with any more answers. I asked what memory standard they are using (eMMC, UFS, PCIe, etc) and who they source their LCD panels from. Didn't get an answer tho.

They also teased us with multiwindow

i have read a bit about lack of multi window and the folks writing must not realize that it exists in 6.0. i use it on my nexus nine. it takes a rooted device and an additional line in build.prop, i think that was all. and it is usable. should be interesting to try on the pixel c, i would guess that it is present granted, there are issues with it, many due to apps not built to use the feature. anyway, i will be trying it out on the pixel c if it is possible to activate, i can see no reason why it would not be available but will not know until i try it.

Does anyone know if they mentioned anything about making the factory images available to the public like all the Nexus devices?

charesa39 said:
Does anyone know if they mentioned anything about making the factory images available to the public like all the Nexus devices?
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Yes, we will get Factory images they didn't told us when though

tyvar1 said:
Yes, we will get Factory images they didn't told us when though
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That's great news! One step closer to pulling the trigger on one of these.

Nexus 9 had lots of problems with games because no open GL 4.5 support,can anybody confirm that pixel c support better grafic performance and open GL ?

Agallardok said:
Nexus 9 had lots of problems with games because no open GL 4.5 support,can anybody confirm that pixel c support better grafic performance and open GL ?
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The Tegra X1 is an NVIDIA Maxwell (Geforce 9xx series) 256-core GPU that supports DX-12, OpenGL 4.5, NVIDIA CUDA®, OpenGL ES 3.1, and AEP
Raw performance is about 2x that of the Tegra K1 in the Nexus 9.

oRAirwolf said:
The Tegra X1 is an NVIDIA Maxwell (Geforce 9xx series) 256-core GPU that supports DX-12, OpenGL 4.5, NVIDIA CUDA®, OpenGL ES 3.1, and AEP
Raw performance is about 2x that of the Tegra K1 in the Nexus 9.
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I made that question because the tegra K1 in the nexus 9 is able to support open GL4.5 but google block that.
Do you know is google block it in the pixel c too?
regards

Agallardok said:
I made that question because the tegra K1 in the nexus 9 is able to support open GL4.5 but google block that.
Do you know is google block it in the pixel c too?
regards
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I honestly don't know the answer to that. Hopefully somebody else can chime in on that.

Agallardok said:
I made that question because the tegra K1 in the nexus 9 is able to support open GL4.5 but google block that.
Do you know is google block it in the pixel c too?
regards
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Straight from their site https://developer.nvidia.com/content/tegra-k1-whitepaper
Says it supports Open GL 4.4 not 4.5
Google didn't block it, it was never supported.
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Could I see some CPU-Z screen shots?
SOC, Device and System if possible!
Maybe do a run of Antutu while you're at it

superchilpil said:
Straight from their site
Says it supports Open GL 4.4 not 4.5
Google didn't block it, it was never supported.
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Sorry I want to mean open GL 4.4 , Google locked the opengl library and nexus 9 owners cant play powerfull games, i would like to somebody run zdevice and see if open gl 4.5 is working here in pixel C

Why removing double tap instead of making it optional in the settings.
Ok they said it was it consume too much battery but is this specific to this screen or they mean like every phone that use this functionality?
I really want this device but i think I'm gonna stay on stock to enable adb and flash an another rom...

Dead-neM said:
Why removing double tap instead of making it optional in the settings.
Ok they said it was it consume too much battery but is this specific to this screen or they mean like every phone that use this functionality?
I really want this device but i think I'm gonna stay on stock to enable adb and flash an another rom...
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If it became a feature that was available people would use it then complain about horrible battery life.
Honestly what's so horrible about just using the power button?
In due time I'm sure a dev will incorporate dt2w.
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Agallardok said:
Sorry I want to mean open GL 4.4 , Google locked the opengl library and nexus 9 owners cant play powerfull games, i would like to somebody run zdevice and see if open gl 4.5 is working here in pixel C
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Here it is

Related

Playing Mario Party 3?

So I got a Nexus 7, and it's pretty cool.
I downgraded to 4.1.2 so I could use the Wii classic controller.
ANYWAYS. I downloaded the three top N64 emulator from the google store, N64oid, Mupen+ and something else...
Anyways, trying to play Mario Party 1, 2, or 3 and it runs at full speed. The game runs okay during the setup, but once you get into play, the sprites disappear and the spots on the board are all moved around and off the path of the actual map.
It's not a frame rate issue, it's graphical glitches.
I'm just wondering if there is any way of fixing it? Is there a setting I can change, or a different type of rom or emulator I need?
Any help would be great.
If you're wondering, yes, I do own a physical copy of Mario Party 1, 2, and 3. Going on a trip soon and would love to play it along the way.
Thanks guys!
Make sure opengl hardware rendering is enabled.
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BlackFire27 said:
Make sure opengl hardware rendering is enabled.
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Is that a setting on the emulator itself? And to which emulator may you be referring? Thank you.
I tried playing mario party 2 and everything was just flickering, using N64oid.
Bump? Anybody else having this issue and or resolved it? It's a pretty popular n64 game, I'm actually kinda surprised it hasn't been discussed.
BlackFire did as much as he could to help, but we couldn't solve it.
Make sure opengl hardware rendering is enabled.
hufqnjhu said:
Make sure opengl hardware rendering is enabled.
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How do I do that?
retrogamer24 said:
How do I do that?
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It's in developer settings.
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It's in developer settings.
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Okay, I see Enable Open GL traces currently set to none, but with options for
Logcat
Systrace (Graphics)
Call stack on glGetError
Which would I choose?
Thanks!
The n64 emulators are not polished yet on any platform including PC and wii and of course Android I doubt you will play a game without some kind of graphical tears or glitches especially games that originally needed the expansion pack and whatever settings you try you will have some glitches
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1eyedmonster said:
The n64 emulators are not polished yet on any platform including PC and wii and of course Android I doubt you will play a game without some kind of graphical tears or glitches especially games that originally needed the expansion pack and whatever settings you try you will have some glitches
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I've been told by people around here they've had it running perfectly on their Nexus. Just haven't been able to communicate with them enough to figure out how they do it.
Could somebody please be kind enough to explain to me exactly how to enable opengl hardware acceleration? Thanks!
Also interested in this.

[REQ]Touchless Google Now

Anybody seen the new motorola x phone's touchless google now feature??
can it be ported to the nexus 4??
please devs try to port it when phones come out..
i am sure many people would want it.
Thanks!
The moto x uses an extra CPU for that feature so it either wont be possible or very battery and hardware hungry.
Tasker plus voice commands
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trol0lo said:
The moto x uses an extra CPU for that feature so it either wont be possible or very battery and hardware hungry.
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Yep it's a specialized DSP-core that's NOT ARM based.
Ace42 said:
Yep it's a specialized DSP-core that's NOT ARM based.
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So does that mean it woudnt be ported...
Or it would be ported but would drain the battery life?
Ace42 said:
Yep it's a specialized DSP-core that's NOT ARM based.
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Mikeonic said:
Tasker plus voice commands
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Sir, would it drain battery life?
prash97 said:
Sir, would it drain battery life?
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Yep, pretty badly.
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andyabc said:
Yep, pretty badly.
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prash97 said:
So does that mean it woudnt be ported...
Or it would be ported but would drain the battery life?
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It will likely be ported, but according to the Moto article it specifically stated this special DSP allows them to have such great battery. The Nexus has a DSP, however the X has two new DSPs from Moto(as part of the "octo X8").
Two of the promoted features of the Moto X are Active Display and Always-on google now. To answer your question directly, yes they will be ported. But, will it be practical to use in everyday life? Probably not. This is because of the battery drain that these would have. Both these feature have some specialized hardware support (different screen, special CPU cores etc) for these functions and are kind of the main selling points of the device. So, it is unlikely that we're going to see this in full force on our Nexus devices.
Lord Hades said:
Two of the promoted features of the Moto X are Active Display and Always-on google now. To answer your question directly, yes they will be ported. But, will it be practical to use in everyday life? Probably not. This is because of the battery drain that these would have. Both these feature have some specialized hardware support (different screen, special CPU cores etc) for these functions and are kind of the main selling points of the device. So, it is unlikely that we're going to see this in full force on our Nexus devices.
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Thanks for the information!!

Android N Preview available

Google released a Preview of Android N for our loved Pixel!
Source: http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html#device-preview
Someone already flashed it?
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Yeah its running fine.
streilu said:
Google released a Preview of Android N for our loved Pixel!
Source: http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html#device-preview
Someone already flashed it?
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Yes I have, it seem to be working fine, I am happy about spilt screen, but wifi seem to worse then with the Xceed kernel, but I need to do more testing.
It's very janky compared to M with xceed kernel. 3DMark performance drops by nearly 1k points, 3D games (from brief tests) are extremely janky and nearly unplayable.
There appears to be sqlcipher issues - anything using sqlcipher will crash, most likely due to the heightened NDK security.
Definitely not something you'd want to use unless you're a developer wanting to make sure your stuff works with android N.
Non-rooted pixel c running great on N
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It sounds great !! Before flashing, does the keyboard works fine, I mean, does update notification is still there ? Apps works well ?
Ordered my Pixel C today as part of the "developer sale" promo. Can't wait to flash this preview build and play around with multi-window.
Nice!
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It sounds great !! Before flashing, does the keyboard works fine, I mean, does update notification is still there ? Apps works well ?
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The device with N is sluggish, any app that relies on sqlcipher (many do) will crash/not work, many apps crash outright including Google's own apps. That said notifications do appear to work fine, the OS itself has some nice updates... although it will inexplicably start lagging at times. Battery life is horrible compared to a device running with the xceed kernel, and wifi also has issues especially on ipv6 routers.
I wouldn't use it as a daily driver - it really is ONLY good at the moment as a test device for writing your own applications that you want to either 1) take advantage of what it brings to dev work or 2) you really want to make sure your app works with N early on (problematic because this early from the N release there are bound to be many changes)
Not rooted. Running N today. 7 hours of normal use. (no video or gaming) still at 82%........absolutely loving the battery life!
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I've been running it since yesterday afternoon and both battery life and performance have been satisfactory. I agree that things run a little slower on N than they did on MM, but that's kinda part of the process IMHO - it's a beta after all.
I wonder if there have been any changes in USB-C display support in the N preview? I haven't tried it myself but has anyone else?
I can confirm the amazing battery life! Also no Display Adapter available here.
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Can anyone connect a Bluetooth headset when running N and see that it can pair as a headset? This Bluetooth profile was disabled in marshmallow.
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Installed it, and I'm very happy. Wifi issues are completely gone and I can finally get the maximum speed. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1803338038
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Simple question! Good enough for daily use?
Browsing, facebook, email and non-demanding apps.
Keyboard connects and works without issue?
Evans_jd said:
Simple question! Good enough for daily use?
Browsing, facebook, email and non-demanding apps.
Keyboard connects and works without issue?
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I have not had an issue with mine - Play Music, Social apps, Email, Keyboard, Wireless, Baldurs Gate all seem fine so far :good:
Volvoash said:
I have not had an issue with mine - Play Music, Social apps, Email, Keyboard, Wireless, Baldurs Gate all seem fine so far :good:
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Thanks.
Up and running. So far so good
Evans_jd said:
Simple question! Good enough for daily use?
Browsing, facebook, email and non-demanding apps.
Keyboard connects and works without issue?
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It's good for daily use for me too. Some Apps not working yet, mostly video content apps like Sky Go Germany or a news portal, but I can live without them for now.
Only one important thing: It didn't recognise my 5Ghz wifi network at home when the router was in automatic channel mode. When I set it to channel 36 it was fine. Apparently the Pixel has issues with some 5Ghz channels, but if you have access to your router that shouldn't be a problem.
I received mine yesterday and went straight to N. I now understand how generous people were being to the Pixel C in reviews considering what it shipped with. It took me 15 minutes to get through the setup wizard because the touch screen was so unresponsive. I have no idea how this thing was approved for sale.
That said N (and im sure patched MM) is running great so far.
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I received mine yesterday and went straight to N. I now understand how generous people were being to the Pixel C in reviews considering what it shipped with. It took me 15 minutes to get through the setup wizard because the touch screen was so unresponsive. I have no idea how this thing was approved for sale.
That said N (and im sure patched MM) is running great so far.
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I guess it must be luck of the draw, as I got mine 2days ago and barring 1 reboot, it's been fantastic. I'm leery of updating to N as it's been so good.

Sony Xperia X series No Longer Support Small Apps

http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_removes_small_apps_from_its_xperia_x_series_phones-blog-18716.php
Another hit on Sony.
So far the only gains you get with the X Performance is as follows..
- predictive hybrid autofocus
- 13 mp front camera
- Snapdragon 820
The z5 is as follows
- Glass premium design
- 4k video recording
- Small Apps for now
- Bigger screen within tolerable range for carry 5.2
Anyone else wanna add something in? I'm thinking of buying a cheaper z5 now and so this x series 1st Gen.
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huangjs said:
z5/z5p have more power on battery                                             .
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The 820 is more efficient, so you'll see similar uptimes. I don't like this trend, though, I want at least two days of battery life.
To be honest, I never use(d) them, and they're (after the bloatware) the first thing I remove as soon as I get touch to the system folder.
Also with the Multiwindow function (in-officially) introduced in MM they're even less needed, I can understand why Sony removed them.
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To be honest, I never use(d) them, and they're (after the bloatware) the first thing I remove as soon as I get touch to the system folder.
Also with the Multiwindow function (in-officially) introduced in MM they're even less needed, I can understand why Sony removed them.
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I'm I don't see a multi window function on 6.0.1. Whether it's a future update feature or not. This current phone doesn't have it. So multi tasking is little more limited.
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MGSBigBoss said:
I'm I don't see a multi window function on 6.0.1. Whether it's a future update feature or not. This current phone doesn't have it. So multi tasking is little more limited.
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Yeah, but it's there.
Open build.prop and change
"ro.build.type=user" to
"ro.build.type=userdebug"
Then you can find it in the developer options
KuroTheBang said:
Yeah, but it's there.
Open build.prop and change
"ro.build.type=user" to
"ro.build.type=userdebug"
Then you can find it in the developer options
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Do you need root to do that?
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MGSBigBoss said:
Do you need root to do that?
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Yes, you do
KuroTheBang said:
Yes, you do
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I'm not for doing any more tinkering lol. So that's not a plus for me
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It bad!
MGSBigBoss said:
I'm not for doing any more tinkering lol. So that's not a plus for me
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On Android N it will be available for all users, don't worry
MGSBigBoss said:
I'm I don't see a multi window function on 6.0.1. Whether it's a future update feature or not. This current phone doesn't have it. So multi tasking is little more limited.
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Enabling multi window on Android 6.0 is really easy...
no root required, you just need to setup adb and run:
Code:
adb shell setprop persist.sys.debug.multi_window true
about the small apps i have to say that i never used them. I owned an xperia z1 and now a z3 and when i saw them i thought, wow nice i can use a calculator and other things when i need them, but at the end i really never used em >.<
I own a Z2 and I never used small apps. So for me, this is a positive move from Sony.
I'd like a Z5P if it features a S820. Unfortunately it doesn't.
AlanDS said:
I own a Z2 and I never used small apps. So for me, this is a positive move from Sony.
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I agree totally always been the first thing I deleted, so glad they've saved me the job now
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AndroPlus said:
Enabling multi window on Android 6.0 is really easy...
no root required, you just need to setup adb and run:
Code:
adb shell setprop persist.sys.debug.multi_window true
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not working without build.prop editing...and for edit we need root > for multi window we need root

Game Tuner 3.3.11 Can we make it work?

https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-game-tuner-update-removes-a-ton-of-useful-features/
https://www.sammobile.com/apk/samsung-game-tuner/samsung-game-tuner-3-3-11/
Is there a way to make it work on the Note 9?
Setting app specific resolutions was so great!
Putting 90% of apps in 1080p except mostly YouTube and video apps to 1440p, was just fantastic...
Now am stuck at 1080p everything, because it really saves some battery.
And no... manually changing resolution all the time is not an option for me.
Rooting isn't an option for me either
Do you really see a difference in battery life? I can't figure out if it makes such a difference, and other threads I read didn't see much... So I'm always maxed out because why not
Flyer.michael said:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-game-tuner-update-removes-a-ton-of-useful-features/
https://www.sammobile.com/apk/samsung-game-tuner/samsung-game-tuner-3-3-11/
Is there a way to make it work on the Note 9?
Setting app specific resolutions was so great!
Putting 90% of apps in 1080p except mostly YouTube and video apps to 1440p, was just fantastic...
Now am stuck at 1080p everything, because it really saves some battery.
And no... manually changing resolution all the time is not an option for me.
Rooting isn't an option for me either
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I am using on note 9 with no issues. Game Tuner 3.4 is out now in samsung store works perfectly so far
Mwyann said:
Do you really see a difference in battery life? I can't figure out if it makes such a difference, and other threads I read didn't see much... So I'm always maxed out because why not
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When you have an active screen on time of 6-8 hours a day, it does.
Browsing, Writing, live airport traffic, reports, alerts... chatting...
ditched laptop and tablet
oneandroidnut said:
I am using on note 9 with no issues. Game Tuner 3.4 is out now in samsung store works perfectly so far
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3.4 is useless... that's why I'm asking
Flyer.michael said:
3.4 is useless... that's why I'm asking
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yeah dont know the how to work the old version, it is trying to get me to update and wont let me open the app without updating! would like to know a work around as well
Would need to revert to GAMEOPTIMIZINGSERVICE Version: 1.3.01.4
But My Note 9 came already with 1.4.02.2 - can't overwrite with old one or uninstall without root...
...at least I don't know how
They removed game tuner from pie. Did anyone find a solution? Is it possible to roll back game optimizing service with adb?
You don't need game tuner, since those options are now integrated in Game Launcher...View attachment 4708130
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alexiuss said:
You don't need game tuner, since those options are now integrated in Game Launcher...
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But what if, like me i dont want to use game launcher i just want the game tuner on its own.
So this is an old topic but did anyone find any solution? I tried reverting the game optimizing service with adb without succes.
install gos 1.2.12.4 and game tuner 3.3.03 work for me

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