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About root: What to do when there are updates?

I am very excited to see that the new Moto X is about to be rooted soon (apparently). I just want root for Adaway, Xposed, and a few other niceties. I have no wish to put a custom ROM on the Pure.
But I have a few basic questions (sorry if this seems noobish), what happens when Motorola sends updates to the phone? In particular, when it gets updated to Android 6.0 Marshmallow.
- Would I need to unroot, install the update, and then root again?
- Would updating get rid of root, and would I need to wait for a new root procedure to be discovered?
- Is there some risk that I would need to re-install all my apps?
- Anything I need to worry about?
Thanks for info on this!

nibunnoichi said:
I am very excited to see that the new Moto X is about to be rooted soon (apparently). I just want root for Adaway, Xposed, and a few other niceties. I have no wish to put a custom ROM on the Pure.
But I have a few basic questions (sorry if this seems noobish), what happens when Motorola sends updates to the phone? In particular, when it gets updated to Android 6.0 Marshmallow.
- Would I need to unroot, install the update, and then root again?
- Would updating get rid of root, and would I need to wait for a new root procedure to be discovered?
- Is there some risk that I would need to re-install all my apps?
- Anything I need to worry about?
Thanks for info on this!
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Back to stock.
Flash Recovery
Flash SU.
It's an unlocked phone. You never lose root.

Or if you're going the whole hog -flash a custom ROM (stock or AOSP) and wait for the developer to promptly update the package

I assume with some patience updates will get posted here to flash. Stock rooted ROMs are pretty popular I think this will be no different.

tech_head said:
Back to stock.
Flash Recovery
Flash SU.
It's an unlocked phone. You never lose root.
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Your last comment is reassuring. I'm still learning when it comes to rooting; I had my friend root my Galaxy S3 years ago, but I'm gonna try to do it myself this time and learn the details of the process, and all that it entails (possible consequences, etc). Please bear with me.
Based on what I've read online (for example this article), it says OTA updates will break the root, but I can always re-root after the OTA and it's only a minor hassle (for phones with unlocked bootloader). Is that pretty much what you're saying as well?
So once Motorola rolls out the 6.0 Marshmallow update, would I need to re-unlock the bootloader (via this thread ) , and then re-flash recovery, etc?
At any point would I need to worry about losing any data on the phone?

I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set

StreetkillnHD said:
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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I actually want motorola's features (Moto display, Moto actions, always-on voice recognition).
Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock Motorola rom? So once there is a 6.0 update, instead of OTAing, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead?

StreetkillnHD said:
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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Some apps only work with root (like Batter Battery Stats, xposed). That's a good reason to just root without custom roms.

StreetkillnHD said:
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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The sole reason i root is to install an ad blocker.

emailrob said:
Some apps only work with root (like Batter Battery Stats, xposed). That's a good reason to just root without custom roms.
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Yup, for me Better Battery stats, Titanium Backup, the possibility of putting the back button on the bottom right instead of left, and activating double tap are all reasons to root the stock rom.

cronoc said:
Yup, for me Better Battery stats, Titanium Backup, the possibility of putting the back button on the bottom right instead of left, and activating double tap are all reasons to root the stock rom.
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Double tap is ROM specific isn't it? Or is there an xposed module? Its the one thing I miss from my OnePlus, despite the 'aware' sensors

Much of the stuff you people are trying to accomplish can be done with Nova Launcher. No root needed.

If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.

nibunnoichi said:
Your last comment is reassuring. I'm still learning when it comes to rooting; I had my friend root my Galaxy S3 years ago, but I'm gonna try to do it myself this time and learn the details of the process, and all that it entails (possible consequences, etc). Please bear with me.
Based on what I've read online (for example this article), it says OTA updates will break the root, but I can always re-root after the OTA and it's only a minor hassle (for phones with unlocked bootloader). Is that pretty much what you're saying as well?
So once Motorola rolls out the 6.0 Marshmallow update, would I need to re-unlock the bootloader (via this thread ) , and then re-flash recovery, etc?
At any point would I need to worry about losing any data on the phone?
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You'll never loose data (except for the first time you unlock the bootloader) unless you choose to wipe internal storage. So no worries mate.

tech_head said:
If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.
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Good to know. I'm curious to know if there's a simpler way to update. Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock rom and future stock roms? So once there is a 6.0 update for the Pure, instead of OTAing from Motorola, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead (1-step process)?

emailrob said:
Double tap is ROM specific isn't it? Or is there an xposed module? Its the one thing I miss from my OnePlus, despite the 'aware' sensors
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I honestly don't know. I'm coming from a Cyanogenmod-rom'd phone, so I'm just hoping I'll be able to get back some of these features...

nibunnoichi said:
Good to know. I'm curious to know if there's a simpler way to update. Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock rom and future stock roms? So once there is a 6.0 update for the Pure, instead of OTAing from Motorola, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead (1-step process)?
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There might be but if u want simple flash a custom stock rom, im sure they will have a few, its basically stock rom but with tweaks and with a few stuff added. Then feom there just flash the updates for that rom. On my lg g3 i use to use a rom called cloudyg3 rom, it had everything stock rom had but a more tweaked version and such.

tech_head said:
If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.
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I opened this thread hoping for a method to prevent taking the 6.0 OTA, because as I understand, from reading the Moto X PE TWRP thread, The only root method for 6.0 is systemless, which I think I want to stay away from, in hopes that 6.0 will get regular root, in the future. I think i would rather stay on LP, while waiting.
My MXPE arrives Thursday! I would like to use it some, before having to root, but I am certain the 6.0 OTA update will be soon to show.
Is there a way to stop the OTA, prior to bootoader unock and root?
Do I just need to unlock/root/flash ROM right away?
I am hesitant, because I'e been away from Moto rooting for a few years. I've been Samsung rooting, with TWRP and SafeStrap.
The stuff I'm reading here, about Minimal ADB, Fast boot folder and using cmd prompt is a bit daunting and I would like more time to continue reading and learning, before doing the deed.
ETA: I just realized that the OTA will come from Motorola, not Verizon. How does the OTA come>
Is there a Moto app, that I can disable, without root?

pizza_pablo said:
I opened this thread hoping for a method to prevent taking the 6.0 OTA, because as I understand, from reading the Moto X PE TWRP thread, The only root method for 6.0 is systemless, which I think I want to stay away from, in hopes that 6.0 will get regular root, in the future. I think i would rather stay on LP, while waiting.
My MXPE arrives Thursday! I would like to use it some, before having to root, but I am certain the 6.0 OTA update will be soon to show.
Is there a way to stop the OTA, prior to bootoader unock and root?
Do I just need to unlock/root/flash ROM right away?
I am hesitant, because I'e been away from Moto rooting for a few years. I've been Samsung rooting, with TWRP and SafeStrap.
The stuff I'm reading here, about Minimal ADB, Fast boot folder and using cmd prompt is a bit daunting and I would like more time to continue reading and learning, before doing the deed.
ETA: I just realized that the OTA will come from Motorola, not Verizon. How does the OTA come>
Is there a Moto app, that I can disable, without root?
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I am going to link to the answer I gave to you here...YMMV of course...:laugh:

Naddict said:
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I am going to link to the answer I gave to you here...YMMV of course...:laugh:
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I found it, and replied.

Moto X Pure 7.0 root question

I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?

hexbox117 said:
I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?
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Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.

MightyRobb said:
Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.
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Good to know, thanks!

hexbox117 said:
Good to know, thanks!
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you can not just update OTA when you are rooted. im sure you are running TWRP and you have an modified partition.
OTA wont install cause it needs stock recovery. There are options to use OTA with Flash Fire.
Look for threads om Chain Fires Flash fire and read it carefully.
Cheers.

The fact is we don't know how root will work on Nougat, or Xposed... It took Xposed a while to get support for Marshmallow when it released (a few months if I recall correctly, they almost said f*ck it and gave up on Xposed completely), could be the same thing with Nougat.
Chainfire will probably have (or has) get root working on Nougat (I really haven't investigated this)... Google has stated that the system is more secure, which they did with Lollipop and Marshmallow, and even then Chainfire stated that Google could, potentially, shut down the ability to root completely by known means quite easily.
You cannot update/upgrade with TWRP installed or when rooted... You must be stock for it to work.

While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.

aybarrap1 said:
While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.
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Unlocking the bootloader to allow 3rd party recovery and roms could still be allowed if rooting stock is impossible, but I agree with your assessment... Xposed on the other hand, is just evil, wouldn't bother me one bit if it disappeared.
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Root for android nougat in the way future?

When Nougat gets released for this phone in how ever long it takes do you think someone will eventually be able to root it on this phone?

Seriously?

joe3681 said:
Seriously?
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you don't have to be a douche

FreshIce21 said:
you don't have to be a douche
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You don't have to call him a douche. Honestly, I was thinking "Seriously?" as well because this is the first thing you think (rather, post of) before Nougat even comes out. We can't see the future, so this question will probably go without an indefinite answer. My input on it, though, is that root is possible if engboot still works, but if it doesn't then we're probably screwed. And I doubt engboot will work without having even MORE issues than it already does, if it even works at all.
But seriously, the name calling was unnecessary. You're the one asking the question, no need to call people names.

SkyAttacksX said:
You don't have to call him a douche. Honestly, I was thinking "Seriously?" as well because this is the first thing you think (rather, post of) before Nougat even comes out. We can't see the future, so this question will probably go without an indefinite answer. My input on it, though, is that root is possible if engboot still works, but if it doesn't then we're probably screwed. And I doubt engboot will work without having even MORE issues than it already does, if it even works at all.
But seriously, the name calling was unnecessary. You're the one asking the question, no need to call people names.
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thank you for your reply on your thoughts about it, thats all I was looking for. The person did not have to comment "seriously" he could have just ignore my post all together, I believe he was being a douche. The commenting of "seriously" was unnecessary. I appreciate your answer as I was just curious. Have a good day

Seriously?

FreshIce21 said:
When Nougat gets released for this phone in how ever long it takes do you think someone will eventually be able to root it on this phone?
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It'll come precisely 2 months, 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes, 6 seconds and 83 milliseconds of nougat drop date
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So rooted MM or non-related Nougat... that will be the question
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I don't understand the reasoning behind the question. Nougat isn't even out yet. If you want root, then root your phone. If you want rooted Nougat, wait a couple days after release for someone to build a rooted ROM on it. Why would you want to flash back to stock just to root again instead of just flashing the rooted version from the beginning? I'm assuming that's why you got the "seriously?" reactions. Well, that and the fact that since Nougat hasn't even been released yet, so it's physically impossibly for anyone to know if it can be rooted. But yeah, I'd advise you to wait until someone uploads a rooted Nougat ROM for your phone instead if flashing back to stock and hoping to root that way. Its a million times easier to root it before putting it on your device

Based upon my understanding of how KNOX operates along with the stricter changes made to dm-verity in 7.0, I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to rooting the S7. I know that the guys that come up with these rooting methods are very creative and smart, but KNOX, combined with SELinux, dm-verity, and locked bootloaders, is almost impossible to overcome. I've been looking at the people discussing the dirtyc0w exploit as an alternative root method, and I don't think it's possible to use it because of these safeguards.
We were extremely lucky with the leaked engboot method of rooting the S7. Without that, it's very possible that we still wouldn't have root on it.

Just a bit of addition to this conversation: It's likely our current root method won't work on Nougat. It depends on how different the kernels are, but since the engboot is built for MM there's no guarantee it's compatible with a new version. There's no guarantee it won't prevent flashing the engboot kernel once you're on it, and flashing a rooted system and then switching kernels won't help since the new kernel will verify the system.

I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!

KingOfTheNet said:
I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!
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You can downgrade back to MM. Both the updates are on bootloader v4.

KingOfTheNet said:
I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!
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Which V4A version are you using. I can't find one that works with my phone. I'm on APK1 stock rooted.

dirtydodge said:
Which V4A version are you using. I can't find one that works with my phone. I'm on APK1 stock rooted.
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I simply downloaded and am currently using the latest update from the developers website. Be sure to download the latest version of the app listed under "Viper4Android FX" and make sure BusyBox is properly installed on your device under /system/xbin or /system/bin. I was previously on APJ4 and just upgraded to APK1 today and haven't noticed any problems.
http://vipersaudio.com/blog/?page_id=48
Cheers!

What happens after I root and try to upgrade

Hello Everyone. I'm new to this forum, so please be kind. I have searched extensively for the answer to my question.
So, I spent a whole day upgrading and rooting my SM-G900V Galaxy S5. Lots of dead ends on this, but I got it! I did this because I needed more room on my internal memory. I was almost out, so I used Titanium Backup and uninstalled all the bloat apps.
My question is this. I am now at Lollipop V5.0 rooted. I would like to upgrade to Marshmallow 6.0.1. If I do this with a custom ROM:
1) Will all the bloat I just deleted all come back? Are these apps part of the custom ROM?
2) Will I lose the root? If the bloat stays off, I really don't care as that was my only reason for rooting in the first place.
I used XDA forums pretty extensively for information for getting as far as I have. Many, many thanks.
Dave

DaveInTrinity said:
Hello Everyone. I'm new to this forum, so please be kind. I have searched extensively for the answer to my question.
So, I spent a whole day upgrading and rooting my SM-G900V Galaxy S5. Lots of dead ends on this, but I got it! I did this because I needed more room on my internal memory. I was almost out, so I used Titanium Backup and uninstalled all the bloat apps.
My question is this. I am now at Lollipop V5.0 rooted. I would like to upgrade to Marshmallow 6.0.1. If I do this with a custom ROM:
1) Will all the bloat I just deleted all come back? Are these apps part of the custom ROM?
2) Will I lose the root? If the bloat stays off, I really don't care as that was my only reason for rooting in the first place.
I used XDA forums pretty extensively for information for getting as far as I have. Many, many thanks.
Dave
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If your looking to upgrade to MM 6.0. You need to download the latest MM stock image and Odin back to full unrooted stock. Then re-root, install your custom recovery and flash what ever rom you want.. Yes if you flash back to stock MM in order to upgrade, then naturally all the bloat will come back.. But will not be there once you re-root and flash another rom.

DaveInTrinity said:
My question is this. I am now at Lollipop V5.0 rooted. I would like to upgrade to Marshmallow 6.0.1. If I do this with a custom ROM:
1) Will all the bloat I just deleted all come back? Are these apps part of the custom ROM?
2) Will I lose the root? If the bloat stays off, I really don't care as that was my only reason for rooting in the first place.
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1. Depends on the ROM. BTW, "free user space" does not depend on the ROM. Almost does not.
2. Yes. You will have to reroot it, if possible.
There is a good G900V section on the forum and you may like to read about CID, locked bootloader and MM rooting there.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ve...al/guide-painiacs-essential-guide-to-t3319848

bbsc said:
1. Depends on the ROM. BTW, "free user space" does not depend on the ROM. Almost does not.
2. Yes. You will have to reroot it, if possible.
There is a good G900V section on the forum and you may like to read about CID, locked bootloader and MM rooting there.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ve...al/guide-painiacs-essential-guide-to-t3319848
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Thank you for the reply, information, and link. I will go through it. I hadn't been able to find a MM rooting system that worked which is why I reverted to Lollipop. I actually had a lot of trouble even rooting 5.0 as nothing worked until I came upon the Blackcat scripts. That worked great.
Dave

DaveInTrinity said:
I hadn't been able to find a MM rooting system that worked which is why I reverted to Lollipop. I actually had a lot of trouble even rooting 5.0 as nothing worked until I came upon the Blackcat scripts. That worked great.
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You're welcome.
Look, LP and below does not require unlocked bootloader to be rooted. MM and abode does. That's why the possibility of rooting MM on your phone depends on it's hardware (CID).
Blackcat's scripts are great, but the modern method is to flash a "COMBINATION" ROM which can be rooted easily, to root it, to install SafeStrap Recovery and then to flash your favorite ROM (system partition) and firmware (bootloader, kernel, modem, recovery). The last action may contain bootloader unlocking process if the hardware is compatible.

Coming out of Hibernation

I'm trying to get this device up to date. Coming out of storage it's on Android 6.0 Security Patch 2/1/2016... TruPureXMM 2.9 Build. Is there a quick and easy way to get this device onto a current ROM?

MARKREIF said:
I'm trying to get this device up to date. Coming out of storage it's on Android 6.0 Security Patch 2/1/2016... TruPureXMM 2.9 Build. Is there a quick and easy way to get this device onto a current ROM?
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Flash one??? You want stock or custom?

Stock please.....

i'll try custom as well....

Assuming you have the XT1575, you can try here. This will bring you up to stock nougat with an OTA out there if you choose to take it.
Just a couple of caveats if you flash nougat: Once you do so it limits the availability of custom roms greatly. As far as I know this is the last available stock flashable images so if you take the OTA, flashing it again could cause issues as it is considered "downgrading". I personally wanted to root so I did not relock my bootloader and froze my phone taking the OTA so I could always flash the full image should anything go wrong.

Thanks..,. Yes I am talking about the XT1575. Can you also point me in the direction of maintaining my current Root status..... While upgrading to what you would consider the best current rooted ROM.
Thanks

MARKREIF said:
Thanks..,. Yes I am talking about the XT1575. Can you also point me in the direction of maintaining my current Root status..... While upgrading to what you would consider the best current rooted ROM.
Thanks
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I personally stick with rooted stock. Mileage varies person to person on custom so I just play it safe.
If you go stock rooted, make sure you pay attention when flashing the stock nougat and do the steps in the post that keeps your bootloader unlocked. After stock ROM is flashed, temp flash TWRP, do a backup, then TWRP again and flash root option of your choice. I personally use Magisk to root so apps pass the SafetyNet checks.

all's well went with ResurrectionRemix staying on 6.0 quite pleased - thanks for your help

MARKREIF said:
all's well went with ResurrectionRemix staying on 6.0 quite pleased - thanks for your help
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RR is a good choice from what I've read. Glad all is well. Enjoy.