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So when the kernel is released what will that mean for us. What kind of things can we look forward to?
Is pending some license/certification completion issues.
Thats what my email from elocity said in my latest response from them. Hoping it's sooner than later. Even explained in the email why getting the kernel released would be good for thier business. They need to deliver something whether it be the A10, the kernel or upgrade options. Wonder how possible that would be. Send your A7 in to get the multitouch screen put in. Anyways when I hear anything I will post more.
With kernel source every developer could:
- make a full ROM (kernel + any version of Android from released sources)
- improve stability and performance
- fix issues before official techsupport
- add new features
That's so important!
If we would get kernel source in summer - that might be too late. Many eLocity owners might change their devices to new Xooms, Flyers, Asus eeePads, Samsung 8.9s and etc...
That is basically how I worded it in my email, pointing out that everyday more people are selling thier a7's and getting a different device. And that if they released the kernel it would practically eliminate that. Also that thier company needs to release something soon, yet to see any branded accessories a10 is delayed and our a7 we want the kernel. give us something before you lose your future market.
I think they have to much on there hands with a10, maybe after they will release something for the a7, keep your fingers crossed
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I think they have to much on there hands with a10, maybe after they will release something for the a7, keep your fingers crossed
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Zipping files and emailing them takes about 2 minutes ... doing so will relief them from working more on the A7 has the community will be able to developpe stuff for the A7, otherwise the A7 will just die there.
I suggest we all email [email protected] and ask for those files to be released ASAP.
I would even say that someone just write an email template to copy and paste that email
If they care about having a future market the sooner they release the kernel the better.
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I would even say that someone just write an email template to copy and paste that email
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Here.
Code:
Code:
<a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Petition for release of A7-040 kernel&[email protected]&body=This message is a petition to release the A7 kernel for independent development.%0A%0AThis will show good faith to your existing customers, and keep them around for the release of your future products.%0A%0AIf there is a issue with a petition being carried out this way please let us know on the A7 section of the XDA forums.">
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To: [email protected]
BCC: [email protected]
Subject: Petition for release of A7-040 kernel
Body:
This message is a petition to release the A7 kernel for independent development.
This will show good faith to your existing customers, and keep them around for the release of your future products.
If there is a issue with a petition being carried out this way please let us know on the A7 section of the XDA forums.
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I am not going to make this live, I don't know what kind of legalities would be involved if eLoicty found a flood of e-mails harassing.
You might want to add that XDA and Dexter are even in big reseller's review (Aka Tiger Direct) ... wich is mainly why people would buy an A7 has of today ...
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You might want to add that XDA and Dexter are even in big reseller's review (Aka Tiger Direct) ... wich is mainly why people would buy an A7 has of today ...
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I am not publishing it anywhere, I just made the template and created a Gmail account to track how many people use it, if any.
Like I said in the post, I don't know what kind of legalities would come into play should eLocity deem it harassing. With the whole thing being able to be composed and sent in 2 clicks I can see it being easily abused. I don't plan on being the fall guy should it result in thousands of messages.
Not to sound like an idiot but how do I post this.
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Not to sound like an idiot but how do I post this.
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1.Copy contents of code window.
2. Paste into HTML document.
3. Remember that you are the one responsible when eLocity gets angry.
Dexter what are your thoughts on this?
Here is an encouragement from eLocity Team :
Regarding the kernel information, I have been working to get our overseas team to release it so developers can really take the A7 to new heights. I am hoping to be able to share the kernel info soon and will certainly reach out to Dexter, the XDA community and others so they'll have a new tool to make exploring and developing easier.
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Don't abuse those emails, but for sure, we're making a difference, if it's done properly, I can't imagine a company being mad for receiving interest in their products ...
Sorry, I didnt see this thread when I posted the other new thread...but there is some slightly newer info there.
Kernel
If they release the code does that have any impact on anny new releases of the OS for the A7? Are we assuming the eLocity is done? Is there any chance for a major upgrade before they are done?
@masterfred: your quote from them confirms all my suspicions.
"Over seas development team" my ass. eLocity is just a reseller, at most installing a different launcher and fielding (not to the best of their ability btw) the tech calls. Compal has been the ones pulling the strings the whole time.
So where does it go from here? I have very little faith that Compal will be on any rush to help the development community. They even backed out of marketing this tab under their own branding. I don't trust companies that operate from.the shadows like that.
elocity a7 source code
If you google the whats above you will find many places that reps stated elocity plans to release the source/kernel so keep smiling and be patient.
rombold said:
elocity a7 source code
If you google the whats above you will find many places that reps stated elocity plans to release the source/kernel so keep smiling and be patient.
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Yeah, they are probably waiting for Compal to release it to them.
Hi there
I work for a public relations agency that acts on behalf of ZTE in Europe.
Our aim in joining the forum is to be helpful with product, market and technical questions where we can, and to go back to ZTE to get answers where we need to, within the boundaries of what is acceptable/allowable based on ZTE’s standard terms, and/or the terms ZTE has agreed with operators for operator-branded devices.
Pease be patient.. I am here to genuinely try to help, but please understand that at times I might have to say "no" based on those constraints.
Hi and most of all welcome.
It is rare that a representative of a company is active on a forum but I like and applaud it.
My personal reason to buy a product, and I think alot of people here, is that there is true community of development and progress in the latest and greatest.
XDA is the future now and what the people want!
If a manufacturer can aid them it will be a win win situation.
Android device sales have boomed in the last year to what I think is also a result of word of mouth.
Most of my friends and colleagues are now interested and will buy, or have already bought an Android phone over the last couple of months because I showed them the possibilities and the tremendous support of this forum.
The power that these boards have is stellar and it is up to the manufacturer to listen to what the people say or want to adapt in future needs.
Marketing to sell is one thing but support is even more important so current customers will stay with your brand.
In my case I bought the blade in Belgium where I currently live to act as an interim phone due to my HTC HD2 being broken (again).
At first I thought I would have withdrawel symptoms towards the HD2 but I got to love my Blade. I now got to love it that much that a couple of people I know have got one too. I might sell my HD2 whenever I get it back and for sure keep the Blade.
I am already looking forward to test the new range of ZTE phones, so if you need testers ;-)
Thanks lukesan - this is great feedback and I will share it with ZTE HQ.
Since announcing ZTE's presence on xda and MoDaCo as well as Tweeting on @ZTE_UK - we have already received lots of offers of help in testing new devices!
I will tell you what I have told others, as ZTE's European PR team we would love to get as many devices into the hands of as many enthusiasts as possible - since it is excellent PR. Sadly, at this stage I cannot promise devices for review - all I can say is I will flag the interest with people at ZTE.
Cheers
Sean
on the 24th June 2011, ZTE released a 2.2.2 software update for the China Unicom V880 blade located here: http://support.zte.com.cn/ftpdata/手机售后/技术资料发布/3G/V880/image-P729CUV1.0.0B15.zip
Will zte be providing an updated 2.6.32 kernel source for this software update as I would like to study their code to see what improvements were made
agree with hecatae, we need an update to .32 first.
Hi, a developer called pulser_g2 developer called codeworx made this petition for Samsung to be more open and be a lot more developer friendly, this petition is for all Samsung android devices, not just the s2. So I thought I would post it here in the hope a few of you may consider singing it please
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
Thank you
Edit: Sorry I made a mistake, the developer Codeworx just heavily promoted the petition, pulser_g2 is the developer who made it, and thanks entropy512 for pointing the mistake out
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Hi, on the galaxy s2 forum, the cm9 developer called codeworx made this petition for Samsung to be more open and be a lot more developer friendly, this petition is for all Samsung android devices, not just the s2. So I thought I would post it here in the hope a few of you may consider singing it please
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
Thank you
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Actually pulser_g2 created it - codeworkx is just pushing it hard. (he deserves to as he's the one maintaining CM9...)
Also consider pestering them on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/search/users/samsung
Signed
10char
Im hoping the lack of posts in this thread just means people arent commenting in this thread but have signed the petition
I submitted this as a tip for the portal page, hopefully it gets picked up, since being on the portal would generate more interest in this
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Im hoping the lack of posts in this thread just means people arent commenting in this thread but have signed the petition
I submitted this as a tip for the portal page, hopefully it gets picked up, since being on the portal would generate more interest in this
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Only reason it's not on the portal is because pulser forgot his portal password (He even said so elsewhere.)
(This petition was filed by one of our senior moderator team.)
I haven't signed yet, but that is because I plan on writing a fairly decent bit on why cooperating with developers will benefit Samsung in my "Reason" field and need a bit more time.
signed!
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signed
Signed.
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IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.
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Only reason it's not on the portal is because pulser forgot his portal password (He even said so elsewhere.)
(This petition was filed by one of our senior moderator team.)
I haven't signed yet, but that is because I plan on writing a fairly decent bit on why cooperating with developers will benefit Samsung in my "Reason" field and need a bit more time.
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LOL shows you what I know
Dont know any of the mods here
Joe T said:
IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.
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The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.
They are now failing to comply with the GPL with kernel source for many devices on a regular basis. The Infuse AT&T update took a month for source to show up, and Samsung ignored multiple requests for source in compliance with the GPL. The one time they answered, they claimed that they didn't have to provide source because they had stopped providing the update - that's bull****. If you provide a binary to someone, you MUST provide them the source - even if you are no longer providing binaries to other people.
They go out of their way to avoid releasing source whenever possible - see the AR6000 driver fiasco on the Tab 7 Plus.
The Galaxy S II hardware donation to the Cyanogenmod team was nothing but a PR stunt. If you follow the progress of CM9 on the I9100, you'll see that in addition to not providing any assistance to codeworkx and xplodwild, they are actively throwing barriers in the way. For example, secure containers (used by many apps) are disabled if a custom kernel is used in ICS.
Compare this to Sony, who provided technical assistance to the Cyanogenmod team leading to their entire 2011 lineup being well supported by CM, and also open-sourcing their sensor HALs when they didn't need to. They have also provided OFFICIAL ICS alphas and betas including source in compliance with the GPL, while everyone else just has leaks.
Unless Samsung changes their attitude - my next phone will be a Sony or a Nexus of some sort.
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The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.....
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Wow, I didn't realize all of that. As a GNex owner, I suppose I'm looking at things through rose colored glasses. I thought they changed a lot since the Froyogate fiasco which they received a lot of bad press. Thanks for the info, petition signed!
Signed
Especially since I have 2 Samsung devices currently
Entropy512 said:
The problem is they have, over time, become increasingly antagonistic to platform developers.
They are now failing to comply with the GPL with kernel source for many devices on a regular basis. The Infuse AT&T update took a month for source to show up, and Samsung ignored multiple requests for source in compliance with the GPL. The one time they answered, they claimed that they didn't have to provide source because they had stopped providing the update - that's bull****. If you provide a binary to someone, you MUST provide them the source - even if you are no longer providing binaries to other people.
They go out of their way to avoid releasing source whenever possible - see the AR6000 driver fiasco on the Tab 7 Plus.
The Galaxy S II hardware donation to the Cyanogenmod team was nothing but a PR stunt. If you follow the progress of CM9 on the I9100, you'll see that in addition to not providing any assistance to codeworkx and xplodwild, they are actively throwing barriers in the way. For example, secure containers (used by many apps) are disabled if a custom kernel is used in ICS.
Compare this to Sony, who provided technical assistance to the Cyanogenmod team leading to their entire 2011 lineup being well supported by CM, and also open-sourcing their sensor HALs when they didn't need to. They have also provided OFFICIAL ICS alphas and betas including source in compliance with the GPL, while everyone else just has leaks.
Unless Samsung changes their attitude - my next phone will be a Sony or a Nexus of some sort.
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very well said
Done
Thanks for the info...
Everything to help the devs...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
signed.. hope this petition will do something
Joe T said:
IMO, in this day when manufacturers are locking down devices and intentionally making it very difficult for any development, Samsung has really catered to this small community. Companies like Motorola go as far as sabotaging their products to prevent any type hacking, rooting etc.
Sure, Samsung's official software upgrades are slow but I give them a lot of credit for reaching out in ways such as offering some of our top developers free devices.
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I totally agree.I would like Sammy to be more open, like Sony, but I understand they are a company and they have certain policies which will increase their profits...Since my tab has unlocked bootloader and I can flash anything I want I'm ok.
sent from my nokia 3210
Signed.... suggest you do also...
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA
signed........let us know how it goes
Signed. Glad to see this.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk
We all know that if someone makes a source code for our device (F/I/S/K/L/A/Z/W8/FD) It will be easier to port it to non-international variants.
And I think that porting from one device to another will be easier too.
Ex:-Note5 to S6 to S6e to S6e+
I have seen many pledge threads(almost every thread i have seen about bounty) making a big breakthrough in porting in XDA.
MODERATOR NOTE: Bounties are not encouraged on XDA, however some have resulted in needed breakthroughs.
A legitimate bounty should be started by someone other than the recipient, preferably an established member of the community. The recipient should be aware of and endorse the bounty and agree to its purpose. A set goal should be announced and totals kept current. No money should be collected up front but pledged to be sent to the recipient's donation link once goal is reached. Please also note bounties should be for significant critical development projects, not to get your favorite developers a new toy....that is what their DONATE link is for.
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By making this bounty I mean no disrespect for free-time developers but I think this will speed up the porting of AOSP based roms for our Galaxy S6 devices.
Some of the many examples available, if you still doubt this you can google for yourself.
S5
M9
Only acceptable posts here are
Making/Increasing a pledge of yours.
Names/Git links of developers working on porting.
Reserved 1
PLEDGES - You have to pay after we get a source code
thefunnyone -$25
tyrany - $20
flyingcolors -$25
sylvester711 - $10
ytwytw - $10
middlethinkr - $60
feinripp3dfx - $50
gboss01 - $10-$20
ktetreault14 - $10-$25
ctxz -$20
taxi333 - $10
sapnesh - $100
rodelisdeman - $25
nezorflame - $10
skreedi - $20
akidufish - $10
gadomido - $2
svensonic1 - $1
ammarwajihi - $5
bigbossclk -$10
stormonya - $10
ennis214 - $10
CrispiVizz - $10
Mucky2 -$10
ganklah - $20
omrij - $15
Dissmeister - $30
xdeadx - $20
fritsypeij - $20
Total -------- $603
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I'll enter with 5$
hope for the best
Isn't it easier to bribe someone at Samsung to leak the Exynos 7x source code?
FlyingColors - $25
Quintz said:
Isn't it easier to bribe someone at Samsung to leak the Exynos 7x source code?
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I doubt they have even created the source code, or if they have created it properly.
I'll pledge $10.
Where's the link to do that? Or we chip in at the end when someone is finally able to do it?
So you throw cash at a phone without doing research
Then you realize you want some other rom
So you throw cash at $randomperson to fix it
Even if you succeed with that, Samsung who caused this unfortunate situation will ultimately benefit, because people think their phones can get custom Roms.
It is your money, but do you really want that?
Just accept your fate and buy a customer friendly device next time, there are plenty of options where the vendor does not actively hate their customer.
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So you throw cash at a phone without doing research
Then you realize you want some other rom
So you throw cash at $randomperson to fix it
Even if you succeed with that, Samsung who caused this unfortunate situation will ultimately benefit, because people think their phones can get custom Roms.
It is your money, but do you really want that?
Just accept your fate and buy a customer friendly device next time, there are plenty of options where the vendor does not actively hate their customer.
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Who said that I didnt know about samsung and their open source friendliness when I bought this device?
I have used 2 of exynos devices and I have developed for one of them
You cant tell that its nearly impossible, It is just hard thats all.
Even minor devices with exynos had gotten working AOSP roms.
So if you dont know better keep your mouth shut and stop discouraging prople.
Community-driven AOSP ROMs are 100% created by multiple developers, not one.
In our case, we would significantly benefit from the work of Note 4 developers(mainly RaymanFX).
1 man getting such bounty while basing on, benefiting from other developers is simply unfair and will most likely piss off other contributors.
If AOSP ROM ever comes to Exynos 7420, the main developer(or OP of such threads) will encourage users to donate to other contributors and users will donate accordingly to their amount of work, as it always have been.
If you can't figure out a proper way to distribute the amount of bounty accordingly to each contributors, I cannot support this kind of bounty.
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Community-driven AOSP ROMs are 100% created by multiple developers, not one.
In our case, we would significantly benefit from the work of Note 4 developers(mainly RaymanFX).
1 man getting such bounty while basing on, benefiting from other developers is simply unfair and will most likely piss off other contributors.
If AOSP ROM ever comes to Exynos 7420, the main developer(or OP of such threads) will encourage users to donate to other contributors and users will donate accordingly to their amount of work, as it always have been.
If you can't figure out a proper way to distribute the amount of bounty accordingly to each contributors, I cannot support this kind of bounty.
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Yeah, I have already thought of this problem, and I have considered about splitting the money between everyone in a manner that they all agree, they were all working with cooperation, right?
arter97 said:
Community-driven AOSP ROMs are 100% created by multiple developers, not one.
In our case, we would significantly benefit from the work of Note 4 developers(mainly RaymanFX).
1 man getting such bounty while basing on, benefiting from other developers is simply unfair and will most likely piss off other contributors.
If AOSP ROM ever comes to Exynos 7420, the main developer(or OP of such threads) will encourage users to donate to other contributors and users will donate accordingly to their amount of work, as it always have been.
If you can't figure out a proper way to distribute the amount of bounty accordingly to each contributors, I cannot support this kind of bounty.
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And I think it was a bounty operation that people bought note 4 for Raymanfx after he promised development.
The thread from note 4 exynos development.
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And I think it was a bounty operation that people bought note 4 for Raymanfx after he promised development.
The thread from note 4 exynos development.
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It's more of a fund-raiser.
You can ask RaymanFX if you can open one. He sure knows about Exynos
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It's more of a fund-raiser.
You can ask RaymanFX if you can open one. He sure knows about Exynos
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Sure and I know you know about exynos devices more than me and I mean no disrepect for you and I admire your works for S3 korean, s3, s6, i9506 and I have only been using your works for a while.
I just think that this pledging will somehow convince new developers to join this project or it will help make developers working part time in this project some more time and help this device get the trees If you suggest me we can change the thread to be like making a working display driver for exynos 7420?
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It's more of a fund-raiser.
You can ask RaymanFX if you can open one. He sure knows about Exynos
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And if you think this is a right kind of work please show your support. You dont even have to donate money. Even if you give a word to your followers. I think it will revolutionize this pledging project.
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Sure and I know you know about exynos devices more than me and I mean no disrepect for you and I admire your works for S3 korean, s3, s6, i9506 and I have only been using your works for a while.
I just think that this pledging will somehow convince new developers to join this project or it will help make developers working part time in this project some more time and help this device get the trees If you suggest me we can change the thread to be like making a working display driver for exynos 7420?
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These *new developers* wouldn't even have an S6 and would have trouble purchasing them.
Fundraising it for well-known Exynos developers such as GeeckoDev or RaymanFX would result much better than a bounty, if they are willing to work on this nightmare Exynos 7420.
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These *new developers* wouldn't even have an S6 and would have trouble purchasing them.
Fundraising it for well-known Exynos developers such as GeeckoDev or RaymanFX would result much better than a bounty, if they are willing to work on this nightmare Exynos 7420.
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So, do you suggest that we can make a fund raiser instead of trying to make the ones with s6 to develop for this device?
Hi Guys,
I am fairly certain that many of you will have been as frustrated as I am about LeEco's response to our requests for the source code for our devices. Many of us have been met with we did not release the phone to the US market so please contact the 3rd Party seller. You and i know that this is an unacceptable stance and in breach of the GNU etc.
I think it's time for all frustrated owners to show LeEco what we think of their stance, and take a stance of our own as many of us have already started to do, and see if we can twist their arm a bit. The best way in my opinion is to hurt the company where it hurts most, and that's in the pocket and in the public eye. I therefore recommend that all users go to their face book account and leave a review of 1 star and explain why. Making sure you also mention our device in the comments section. This is bound to hurt and just over the last day i have seen their review score drop a few points. Now if everyone who signed the petition did this they would likely have a score near 1 out of 5. Which is roughly what I would give their service just now.
I have also been instructed by Lemall.US to email their opensource team a request to release the code which I have done and hope many will take time out to do the same.
Keep in mind we have been treated completely different to the buyers of the CN model who seem to get endless updates. While we get BS!
All of these reviews can be changed in the future if they release the source code and let us be free of their crappy, malware firmware.
Here are the links
https://www.facebook.com/LeMallUSA/
https://www.facebook.com/LeEcoIndia/
https://www.facebook.com/LeEcoGlobal/
email for opensource request
[email protected].*
Seems to be definitely working, now at 87 one star reviews and certainly LeMall US Team have taken notice, but we must keep the pressure up.
48 hours have now passed and 49 reviews by US X800 Users.
What can we achieve at this rate in the next 48 hours?.
This is awesome considering the Campaign is in its infancy and only went live on a few other sites last night so hopefully it will pick up exponentially over the next few days. Like the petition on change.org did.
We need to try and aim for at least another 63 reviews, so that we equal their 5 star reviews and they will hit the 2.5 rating, but obviously the more the better, so keep on spreading the word.
Still no further news from LeEco since this morning and not so much as an acknowledgement from le.opensource. But i am in communication with them in all channels and not giving up.
I honestly believe we are not far from cracking this.
I will keep everyone updated with any new developments as soon as I hear.
Awesome effort so far guys!
Respect!
Thanks for putting effort into LeEco finally giving us the source code.
Just posted a 1 star review. Currently it seems they are on a 4,0 star average with 772 votes.
We need more votes!
Posted a one star review.
We need more votes!!!
Desmond thank you for the great idea!
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Hahaha, leeco is treating it's costumers like we're toddlers ! They removed two threads that i posted on their website http://forum.le.com/us/index.php?forums/technical-discussion.26/
I've got them back from Google cache but i can't post them on their FB because i don't use FB to let people know how touchy this company is.
And such a company tries tol make it in US and Europe, with this attitude they can forget it !