Looks like Motorola DID write the updates, but it's AT&T and VZW holding them back
http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder...sort_order=desc&keywords=XT1096,XT1097,XT1095
The updates went to the WiFi Alliance for certification. Maybe AT&T and VZW will stop dragging their feet and let us have it.
Why would they do that ughh makes me so angry
Just bought the phone a month ago purely because i was hoping it would get marshmallow
hassanabid94 said:
Why would they do that ughh makes me so angry
Just bought the phone a month ago purely because i was hoping it would get marshmallow
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So they can sell you a new phone of course same reason batteries are no longer user replaceable. Carrier greed.
I'm guessing this is still part of the story. Pure speculation, but perhaps Moto offered the stock updates, the carriers said OK, now go add all this bloat and test that everything still works, and Moto said we don't have the resources to test your bloat... I have no idea, but I'm guessing there is more to it that just what we know.
I think Motorola hands the software over to the carriers and they add and test it. I'm thinking that there is something to an agreement to sell a particular phone that guarantees a certain number of updates or something like that and that agreement is up for the 2014 Moto X with the carriers.
So in that case Motorola can make the update but the carriers aren't obligated to release it.
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If this is the case, why hasn't the Pure Edition/XT1095 gotten the update? It seems odd to me that they would willingly hold up an update for the XT1095 so that they could release it at the same time as the carrier versions of the phone... My guess (just a guess) is that they might still be working on stability with some of the Moto features when run on Marshmallow.
What we don't know is if Motorola is testing an update now. The testing for 5.1 took months, with multiple builds pushed out the test group from what I understand.
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What we don't know is if Motorola is testing an update now. The testing for 5.1 took months, with multiple builds pushed out the test group from what I understand.
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Maybe it's just me (I very well could be hallucinating) but I've always noticed that before I get an update my battery life gets a tad wonky. It's gotten to the point where if I go a few days where my battery dies more quickly than usual I'm like "Wait, are they going to push an update, soon?"
Again, I could be hallucinating. :silly:
This changes everything and makes it a totally avoidable PR disaster. Everyone was ready to lynch Motorola for not updating the carrier versions. The fact that Moto didn't speak out about the carriers blocking it is fascinating and I can't figure out why they'd do it., since they don't really need carriers anymore as they sell everything unlocked, unless maybe they still put them in retail locations or if they have enterprise deals for backend systems. Either way if this is true, Motorola is jumping on a grenade to save someone else.
We'll see how the rest of the life cycle of these phones goes, but maybe I can buy another Moto after all. If they keep punctual updates coming, maybe a black friday 2016 X is in my future.
People should stop bashing phone manufactures when it's usually the carriers fault for the lack of updates. This is very typical in the US where AT&T and VZW are the biggest blame since they control the major herds.
Phone manufactures provide the updates, but it's up to carriers (and their carrier branded phones) to decide if they want an older phone to receive an update or just fool mindless sheep and let them them buy a new phone if they want the latest and greatest. Simple as that.
Also.... Welcome to the consumer era! Where anything is old the next day! Why spend precious time on old hardware when they can sell you a new fancy phone for the same price or twice as much?! You know you can't say no to that if you're technologically impaired!
So for sure the Verizon Moto X 2014 XT1096 will not get an update to allow for simultaneous voice and data? I really only care about VoLTE. Is that never coming to the Verizon Moto X 2014?
JulesJam said:
So for sure the Verizon Moto X 2014 XT1096 will not get an update to allow for simultaneous voice and data? I really only care about VoLTE. Is that never coming to the Verizon Moto X 2014?
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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The phone has such a nice form factor, nicer than the Moto X PE. It's a shame it has been EOL'ed w/o VoLTE. Sigh. I wonder if it was Verizon or Lenovo who cut off the Moto X 14 from VoLTE update?
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source on this I can direct my anger towards?
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The phone has such a nice form factor, nicer than the Moto X PE. It's a shame it has been EOL'ed w/o VoLTE. Sigh. I wonder if it was Verizon or Lenovo who cut off the Moto X 14 from VoLTE update?
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It was verizon. All the Moto X 2014 models will get one last update to 6.0, except for the verizon and at&t models which will stay on 5.1 which it has now.
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Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source on this I can direct my anger towards?
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http://motorola-blog.blogspot.cl/2015/10/marshmallow-and-smore.html?m=1
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I have a MM ROM on my tablet and I really don't see what the fuss is about. The Moto X 2014 is still a great phone. MM doesn't bring anything really new to the table. I'd much rather have root than an OTA.
For me I was hoping that the MM update would finally fix the bluetooth/wifi issues that have plagued this phone since I got it.
Well, now I'm sure that we won't get the 6.0 update.
Motorola has updated the list of devices to receive Marshmallow on its site and we are not there, again.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/
In the link you can see more details.
We really need root method...
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Well, now I'm sure that we won't get the 6.0 update.
Motorola has updated the list of devices to receive Marshmallow on its site and we are not there, again.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/
In the link you can see more details.
We really need root method...
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The article says that 4 new models are "ADDED". The Moto x 2014 Pure (aka XT1095) was in the original list given by them.
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The article says that 4 new models are "ADDED". The Moto x 2014 Pure (aka XT1095) was in the original list given by them.
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I already know that...
This thread is about xt1096 verizon and xt1097 at&t models and they are not in the list.
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So after doing some research about the whole advanced calling feature I came to a theory that might calm the heat towards them.
Advanced calling 1.0 isn't just something they have to do to the network. VoLTE is already possible in any area Verizon covers with LTE. Unlike other service providers who have been doing this for a while, Verizon is fresh at it. And I believe that the way they enable this function on the Sim is purely software. Not built into the Sim. That's why there are so little phones out there that have it enabled. Because Verizon waits for a software update from the phones manufacturer and implements it into the new software.
So, my theory is that, because the Nexus will be the first phone that Verizon will be selling with lollipop, they will have to work with Google to implement that software into the 5.1 release that should be coming out in February which is why they are planning to release the phone in that time.
Another reason this has to go that way is because its also one of the very few phones that Verizon will be selling that has only one radio and therefore will not have data during a phone call which is one of their biggest selling points and the original reason why I choose them over anyone else 5 years ago.
I think that Verizon just wants this phone to have happy customers and not have a terrible experience like they did with the GNex
Thoughts?
Highly doubt it buddy. The tl;dr is if you want a N6 on VZ you'll probably have to go pony up $650-$699 and get it off GPS or Motorola. Verizon has always been about control,delivering to the user, the experience that they see fit for you to have. That's why they lock all their phones down and instill it with bloatware garbage. Before the FCC mandate I'm pretty sure Verizon blocked all sorts of compatible devices that would work on the network. The only reason why we can even use the N6 on Verizon is because the FCC is forcing them to. I'm sure you read up on the whole 700mhz C block spectrum debacle.
One of two things will probably happen in regards to Verizon selling the Nexus 6. If they are offering it later it will probably come after the newest Droid and Note 4 has had their runs. I highly doubt it has anything to with advanced called as that is just an application and you can make VOLTE calls without it. VOLTE is very limited at this time and will only occur when you call another person with the listed devices. True there could be some propriety garbage that they need to install on the unit to use VOLTE and if that's the case we're back to the Galaxy "Nexus" era. At this point do you really want to get a Nexus that has the VZW tramp stamp? Do you really want to rely on Verizon for certain updates?
As for the second scenario which I feel is more likely to occur. I feel that Verizon will just pass the Nexus 6 as only a small % of people know what it is and want it. Majority of users don't know the differences between devices and manufacturer skins etc. Now if its the contract price you want, nothing else can be said or done about that. But you can always go to Motorola and get financing on the device. Good luck.
They already sell the moto x which is on lollipop so there goes that theory. Next?
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Another reason this has to go that way is because its also one of the very few phones that Verizon will be selling that has only one radio and therefore will not have data during a phone call which is one of their biggest selling points and the original reason why I choose them over anyone else 5 years ago.
Thoughts?
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5 years ago you could not do voice/data at same time on Verizon...on most phones you still couldnt 3 years ago...that was a strong selling point and advertised feature that ATT advertised back then...
I don't think you guys are reading the whole thing.
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They already sell the moto x which is on lollipop so there goes that theory. Next?
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Motorola had already implemented it in their software on kk. This is the first nexus device in a while
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Motorola had already implemented it in their software on kk. This is the first nexus device in a while
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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Oh, well then your debunking has been debunked. The droid turbo has it but its still on 4.4.4 so I rest my case. They still have to find a way to natively implement it into lollipop.
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So, my theory is that, because the Nexus will be the first phone that Verizon will be selling with lollipop, they will have to work with Google to implement that software into the 5.1 release that should be coming out in February which is why they are planning to release the phone in that time.
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wait... Google announced the 5.1 release? oh that's right, they didn't. all made up by a bunch of "click-bait" hack bloggers looking for increased ad revenue.
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Oh, well then your debunking has been debunked. The droid turbo has it but its still on 4.4.4 so I rest my case. They still have to find a way to natively implement it into lollipop.
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You don't even know what your own argument is. You stated they were holding off releasing it until it had VoLTE/advanced calling. So you're saying they picked just this one device to delay for this reason but were fine releasing a bunch of others without the feature? Yeah that makes total sense.
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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You don't even know what your own argument is. You stated they were holding off releasing it until it had VoLTE/advanced calling. So you're saying they picked just this one device to delay for this reason but were fine releasing a bunch of others without the feature? Yeah that makes total sense.
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Name one phone that has been released in the past six months that doesn't have the ac 1.0 either on the way or already on there?
My opinion is it has to do with the data issues people on vz have been having with the nexus6. My guess is they ran into problems, and are working on a resolution before officially releasing it.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Note 4 is scheduled to get it soon but all the major android devices not on lollipop have it.
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Name one phone that has been released in the past six months that doesn't have the ac 1.0 either on the way or already on there?
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Keep in mind this is only a theory. I'm not saying I know the answer. I just came up with it and it made sense to me. To each their own though.
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
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My theory is that they are trying to figure out how to implement it natively into lollipop. Since the moto x is running lollipop then this clearly falls under the same page as the nexus
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5 years ago you could not do voice/data at same time on Verizon...on most phones you still couldnt 3 years ago...that was a strong selling point and advertised feature that ATT advertised back then...
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You're right about that. The thing that I'm saying is that new phones such as the moto x and the nexus 6 both only have one radio as opposed to the older phones since the iPhone 4 released almost 4 years ago which can in fact use data and phone at the same time only because of the fact that there are 2 radios in the CDMA version
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wait... Google announced the 5.1 release? oh that's right, they didn't. all made up by a bunch of "click-bait" hack bloggers looking for increased ad revenue.
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While I do see where you're coming from with this, I would like to point out that there are still a lot of known bugs and it makes sense that they would come out with a major update to fix all of those bugs, nexus device wide. Whether its 5.1 or 5.0.3 is not the point. Its the fact that there is an update and it should come soon because googles new flagship device has that buggy software on it and it will hurt profits if not fixed
Ive actually talked to some people who told me that the only reason they didn't get the n6 was because they heard there were a lot of bugs.
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
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Long list.
My theory is that they want to lock it down, and although they technically could, the user base of this particular model have more of an inclination to tinker than other customers who want a Samsung or HTC.
Maybe Google layath down the hammer and said you can't prevent people from locking boot loader.
In the end I just don't think Verizon cares to own a Nexus
Pretty sure it's to milk every last penny from the Turbo. Also to get as many people to buy other phones out of practical impatience as they can so they have less unlocked bootloaders running on their network. Cause we all know how much they just absolutely LOVE unlocked bootloaders.
Just chatted with an AT&T customer service rep and got absolutely nothing. They said no one has brought it up to them yet which i find highly unlikely. Screen shot included.
CS reps are worthless. They know little to nothing compared to those who read tech blogs.
Yeah I know. I was just hoping they would know something, but this is just depressing.
It'd be even more depressing having to deal with bugs and not being able to downgrade to revert to a stable version. With the amount of issues with lollipop on the Nexus 7, why the rush ?
Yes.
Since Motorola has not release 5.0, ATT does not yet have Motorola's 5.0....
What were you looking for here?
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Yes.
Since Motorola has not release 5.0, ATT does not yet have Motorola's 5.0....
What were you looking for here?
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Motorola has announced that Moto X2013 will be getting it, so I was at least hoping that it would be on AT&T's radar to support us.
well at least your phone will get it eventually. my xt1050 is STILL waiting for 4.4.4 update
Some carriers skip some releases. Maybe you'll see the 5 and never have 4.4.4
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I'm not sure why you chatted with a CSR about this. They almost always know nothing, and a lot of times if they do know something they aren't able to give you the information anyway.
Seriously, why so long? This seems absurd even for Verizon.
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Seriously, why so long? This seems absurd even for Verizon.
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Any other carrier Note 4 or international model got 5.1.1?
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Any other carrier Note 4 or international model got 5.1.1?
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Yes. Sprint got it a month ago.
I was thinking that it was taking abnormally long too, but since AT&T and T-Mo haven't gotten it yet, it makes me wonder. Especially since part of T Mobile's Note 4s have it and the others don't. (The ones with a different model number have them, but the original model numbers don't.)
Perhaps they are fine tuning stuff for the Qualcomm models and used Sprint as a guinea pig since Sprint barely has any subscribers anymore, it probably makes a great lab rat!
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Seriously, why so long? This seems absurd even for Verizon.
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It is quite possible they are just going straight to Marshmellow. T-Mobile announced 6.0 update soon, perhaps AT&T and Verizon are doing the same.
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It is quite possible they are just going straight to Marshmellow. T-Mobile announced 6.0 update soon, perhaps AT&T and Verizon are doing the same.
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I don't think so! I believe that we won't get 6.0 update in 2015. It's most likely that US carriers (VZW, ATT, TMB, and USC) will follow the international variants and push 5.1.1 update in 2015 (probably, it's due in October) and wait too long for the next big thing (M) sometime in 2016, after releasing it for the 2015 flagships (S6 and its family) in the next few months. However, I hope you're right.
Verizon always seems to be last and not fair to the older phones in the cue. To me we paid out our cash way before the S6 owners , no offense. I think the S4 will be the cut off so, why not be fair and start from that. Verizon, at least on the phone and in the stores, always bring up loyalty, show it!
But I wonder if it has anything to do that Verizon is a CDMA system
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It is quite possible they are just going straight to Marshmellow. T-Mobile announced 6.0 update soon, perhaps AT&T and Verizon are doing the same.
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interesting. surprised we havent seen any leaks of a note 5 or s6 on 6.0
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interesting. surprised we havent seen any leaks of a note 5 or s6 on 6.0
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Leaks seem to be a thing of the past...rarely see them anymore. The 2 new nexus devices won't ship for another 3-4 weeks and that is more or less the official unveiling of 6.0, even though other Nexus devices are getting updates starting now. Then about a month after that you will see other devices getting updated. Samsung has to incorporate TW, HTC has to incorporate Sense 7, LG - LG Home, so those will take a little longer.
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Leaks seem to be a thing of the past...rarely see them anymore. The 2 new nexus devices won't ship for another 3-4 weeks and that is more or less the official unveiling of 6.0, even though other Nexus devices are getting updates starting now. Then about a month after that you will see other devices getting updated. Samsung has to incorporate TW, HTC has to incorporate Sense 7, LG - LG Home, so those will take a little longer.
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True. It will be interesting to see how they integrate tw to 6.0
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True. It will be interesting to see how they integrate tw to 6.0
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This is Verizon. We'll get 6.0 next year if we're lucky.
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I read some carriers in Canada are receiving 5.1.1 on Note 4 via OTA.
AT&T got it today. I'm guessing T-Mobile will be next and We'll get it in January.
Does anyone have any idea as to when the XT1575 version of the Moto X Pure Edition will receive Android 6.0.1? I know the XT1572 version has received it, how much of a difference can there really be between those to.
Not much as many of us are running it now. You know as much as anyone here when it will be released.
I agree that it is irritating as it is almost exactly identical. Especially considering that there is no carrier control involved... Not directly that we can see anyway. With so many US phones being carrier controlled though, I imagine the focus is put into international models first. Hoping that North American carriers will start losing their grip on locked out devices.
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Not all 1572s have had the update. I'm in the UK with a ret (retail - no carrier) model and still no update :crying: Feeling quite let down.
My crystal ball is telling me that we're getting 6.0.1 next week.
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My crystal ball is telling me that we're getting 6.0.1 next week.
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Hey that's great. I have several other question for you while you have the crystal ball out.
Seriously though, pretty frustrating that Motorola/Lenovo is taking so long to update their last "flagship" device. I realize they are working on their new 2016 models, but come on, if Samsung is beating them at updates, that is pretty sad.
The price has dropped to $349 on the Motorola website for the 32GB model..
Just thought I would leave this here, as one of the selling "features" of the Moto X Pure Edition direct from the website:
Pure Android™ experience and helpful Moto Enhancements
Boost performance, receive upgrades faster, and teach your phone how to work best for you.
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I wonder how long now till us Moto G4 owners get the update... I'm not expecting too long though. Will the Moto G4 Prime Exclusive Edition (which I have) even receive this update? I guess only time will tell.
stefanorickeets said:
I wonder how long now till us Moto G4 owners get the update... I'm not expecting too long though. Will the Moto G4 Prime Exclusive Edition (which I have) even receive this update? I guess only time will tell.
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I think you answered your own question. I would expect after the first of the year but it could be sooner. I would think the Amazon edition will get it but it may roll out at a different time than other phones. Companies like them and Consumer Cellular that distribute their own version have some say so as to when updates are released since they also provide some software tech support. (Though not much if you've ever called them)