Can anyone verify if it has NFC?
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Indeed it does. With Google rolling out Android pay currently it wouldn't make any sense for them to release their hero phone without it
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Of course it does. They talked about using the fingerprint sensor for Android Pay.
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The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever work on a rooted phone, as a Google Engineer has shared here: http://www.xda-developers.com/googl...-with-root-and-android-pay-in-the-xda-forums/
Str8Pryd said:
The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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It its current state it will not work as it doesn't currently on the nexus 5/6 ect either. I am still using google wallet on mine, but will have to give up nfc payments once i get my 6p.
Str8Pryd said:
The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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Unlocked bootloader is fine, but a custom ROM fails SafetyNet's CTS build check, and root causes actual transactions to fail. So no, Android Pay or root, pick one, unfortunately.
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Is there, or will there be a way to use google wallet on the non sprint S3s? With or without root or rom?
There has to be some info on this out there. Is Google Wallet just a gimmick or will this really take off? If so I would think AT$T and Verizon being bigger providers than Sprint, there would have to be the ability to get these to work with it.
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There has to be some info on this out there. Is Google Wallet just a gimmick or will this really take off? If so I would think AT$T and Verizon being bigger providers than Sprint, there would have to be the ability to get these to work with it.
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there is info on this, if you search.
wallet is only support officially by sprint. the rest of the carriers you will have to find the modded apk for wallet.
(also, i hit the thanks button accidentally instead of 'quote' on your post, so free thanks for you!)
I searched, but anything that comes up is about Sprint having it and AT&T not...But at least I know that it will be possible at some point.
The question is if the At&t version has a secure element. If it doesn't, then there is no chance.
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How do we go about finding something like that out? If they are wanting their version of the s3 to work with some other "google wallet" type system, it would seem it would have all the same requirements. I dont see them killing the ability completely, just had the software side removed. But who knows what these guys will do these days.
Att is developing their own system with some other carriers called ISIS. Probably not a chance to get Google wallet working on the att version.
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Is there, or will there be a way to use google wallet on the non sprint S3s? With or without root or rom?
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I would try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
EDIT: That only works on rooted devices, my bad
Having to root it is not a big deal, I just wanted to know it was possible to use it if the need came up. Right now I dont think NFC payments are big enough to consider a must have, but if the day comes that 8 of 10 shops use some sort of nfc payment system it will change my mind for sure. I just like to know that I can do something. Im sorta waiting to root as well Its running like a champ and everything that i use daily is working without a root. Once a nice easy one click is out that will not trip the counter I will go for it, or if some app or ability that I just have to use requires it. But just enjoying the phone for now as is
I am rooted still doesn't work on i747 just hangs on activating
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Maybe now that so many are getting this phone we will see some work being done to figure this out.
to get it to work you will need to fudge the phone into thinking it's connected with Sprint using Market Enabler or equivalent. That's I had to do on my G Nexus in canada.
so, for some reason, i installed it, it loads but i get this message, and just stopps.
"Initializing your device. this make take a few min...... blahh blahh.. "
thats it..
Worked for me on Canadian sgs3...
I'll try post instructions for it tomorrow evening.
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I switched to verizon from sprint and my gs3. Sprint's service sucked, but the GS3 was awesome... I like the battery life of the maxx hd, however. One thing I cannot stand is Verizon's (probably) illegal blocking of apps like Google Wallet. On Sprint, I used Google Wallet frequently. That brings me to the point of this post:
I am starting a bounty for the first person that is able to provide instructions/code/apk/something that allows me to install Google Wallet on my rooted Verizon RAZR MAXX HD non developer edition phone running the verizon JB leak and successfully complete an NFC transaction. The transaction test will be done at a business that works perfectly with sprint phones, in order to keep it fair.
Bounty: $20. I know it isn't a lot, but I am hoping others will chip in as well. My portion of the bounty will be paid via paypal.
I've tried sideloading the apk, installing it as a system app, installing a modified apk, trying market enabler, etc, etc. I am willing to follow your instructions but please have it working for yourself before you send me something if you want to collect the bounty.
have you tried flashing the modified Google wallet apk from here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769083
It worked on my s3 when my carrier didn't support gw.
I don't actually have an hd yet, picking one up black Friday, once I have one I'll be working on this.
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have you tried flashing the modified Google wallet apk from here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769083
It worked on my s3 when my carrier didn't support gw.
I don't actually have an hd yet, picking one up black Friday, once I have one I'll be working on this.
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Yea, that was one of the first things I tried... I had high hopes for that method too.
I've also tried the method from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1810282 which didn't work for me.
I'll put up another $20 in the bounty.
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I am willing to put 50 to get Wallet working on my RAZR HD without having to mess with my bootloader. 100 if its fairly easy to install. A.k.a. noob proof.
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You need to realize there will never be an easy way to get Google Wallet on your phone. Part of the setup process even with hacked apks is on Google's servers that check the phone model. Only way around this is to edit your build prop which requires root. Its not easy and will never be unless Google wants it to be. Just fyi
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You need to realize there will never be an easy way to get Google Wallet on your phone. Part of the setup process even with hacked apks is on Google's servers that check the phone model. Only way around this is to edit your build prop which requires root. Its not easy and will never be unless Google wants it to be. Just fyi
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Maybe things have changed, but when my carriers s3 wasn't supported, I just changed the phone model in build prop, installed the apk in system, rebooted, set up Google wallet, then reverted to my original build prop and everything was good to go.
Once it was registered the phone model didn't matter.
Or maybe not, Maybe they've updated their security protocol since then.
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So i posted about our dilemma to the dev who originally got it working in the s3 thread, this is his response
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I would need a razr to test things... or someone very good with adb to give me the no I need.
Who knows, may or may not be posible
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Anyone familiar with adb and have an hd right now willing to work with him?
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Threads like this are really against what XDA stands for and is for. Should the developer have a donate button, that's okay, but to pay someone to do it won't be allowed.
However, we advise you to refrain from rooting your device, as it will disable Samsung Pay, just like KNOX. When you root your device, the integrity gets breached, which is necessary for important and sensitive features like mobile payments.
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Source: sammoble.com
I don't like to pay Samsung so just ROOT!!
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I don't like to pay Samsung so just ROOT!!
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but Samsung pay is a really important feature as it is compatible with all debit and credit card machines
ngupta93 said:
but Samsung pay is a really important feature as it is compatible with all debit and credit card machines
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... if it works in your country
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... if it works in your country
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i don't know exactly whether it would work in my country or not, but according to Samsung it is compatible with all the machines out there is it true
It is just a matter of time and we'll find some workaround...Root for life
One thing to note for US users is that in October of this year, people will be switching to pin cards with chips like we use here in the UK. I'm not sure what will happen to the card readers that accept swipe cards, but it seems like they are being phased out. THOUGH, once businesses get new card readers, they will most likely be getting models that will accept NFC payments.
I tried the freedom apk app since I rooted my us cellular smg920r4 on the t mobile cfroot and it won't let me make free purchases anymore since I tripped the Google pay. Oh well
Well a user and I on reddit were rooted and he stated that he couldn't use the Samsung Wallet app because he was rooted. I tried it and got a message saying I was rooted and the app closed. I unrooted and boom the app worked, tripped Knox and all. Not saying it will be the same for Samsung Pay, but there's a glimmer of hope. Also in Smart Manager even with a tripped Knox the Device Security says "Secure" with "No unauthorized system changes detected". So we'll have to just wait and see when it is actually released.
If all else fails and it needs an un-tripped Knox I'll just claim my LED flash always on issue others have been having and get a fresh phone from TMO.
so unroot it even with knox trip will make samsung wallet works rite ?
fair enough
What's unclear is if unrooting with Knox tripped will restore Samsung Pay functionality.
Its ok I dont need it
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Its ok I dont need it
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This.
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Google wallet works fine when you are rooted (or at least used to the last time i bothered to root my device)
What benefit would there be over google wallet with samsung pay?
Samsung Pay is kind of unusable here in the Netherlands. The magnetic stripe was phased out in 2011. Every newly ordered bank card has NFC but not many stores have NFC yet.
So root away.
I know there were a few apps that I had back in the day, that would make an app not see root, even if your phone was rooted, for example, Google pay had a problem for a bit, and after that app, I know it was fixed. I am sure someone will find a work around, they always do!
I am waiting a bit longer for TowelRoot of some kind. all I want is root, not much else. Though it would be nice to get some Lollipop features that Samsung yanks out .
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I know there were a few apps that I had back in the day, that would make an app not see root, even if your phone was rooted, for example, Google pay had a problem for a bit, and after that app, I know it was fixed. I am sure someone will find a work around, they always do!
I am waiting a bit longer for TowelRoot of some kind. all I want is root, not much else. Though it would be nice to get some Lollipop features that Samsung yanks out .
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All hopes on towelroot now....
I'm failing to see how this is confirmation (Maybe I've misread it which is possible ), It seems to me that this is no more than a post on a site with no proof, source etc. maybe this guy knows a guy who knows a guy who works at Samsung in some capacity, I'll wait until it's stated by Samsung that rooting will remove the devices capacity to use the service regardless of unrooting afterwards.
If this does turn out to be true i.e. if Samsung does clearly state that the service is unusable after rooting (and still unusable even after unrooting) then this would be imo kind of funny because a jailbroken iPhone can use Apple pay but a rooted (which is far more the norm on android vs jailbroken on iOS) Galaxy S6 can't.
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I'm failing to see how this is confirmation (Maybe I've misread it which is possible ), It seems to me that this is no more than a post on a site with no proof, source etc. maybe this guy knows a guy who knows a guy who works at Samsung in some capacity, I'll wait until it's stated by Samsung that rooting will remove the devices capacity to use the service regardless of unrooting afterwards.
If this does turn out to be true i.e. if Samsung does clearly state that the service is unusable after rooting (and still unusable even after unrooting) then this would be imo kind of funny because a jailbroken iPhone can use Apple pay but a rooted (which is far more the norm on android vs jailbroken on iOS) Galaxy S6 can't.
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Sammobile has inside sources at Samsung and rarely gets this stuff wrong. Other Android websites are treating this as news and not rumor for that reason. If they are saying that root breaks Samsung Pay, then you can be 99% sure it does.
Has anyone who received their device, rooted and checked to see if it disables Nexus Imprint, as I have read might be the case?
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Ive read you can get it to add cards and stuff while rooted by temporarily unrooting, but actually using them to pay may not work. Slightly disappointed because I wanted to root/ROM and still use Android Pay, but we'll see if there is a way the devs can include whatever is needed to make it work.
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Has anyone who received their device, rooted and checked to see if it disables Nexus Imprint, as I have read might be the case?
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I'm not concerned with Android Pay, just being able to use the sensor to unlock the device. I just read in the "Root now Available" thread that it is working fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63528910&postcount=4
There is no reason it would disable Nexus Imprint as all the sensitive storing of the fingerprint etc. is taken care of in the TrustZone. Unless there is a specific TrustZone exploit, the data remains inaccessible even to the root user. People who claim it would be disabled were just confusing Android Pay and Nexus Imprint. The former has other reasons for disabling itself on rooted devices that have nothing to do with Nexus Imprint.
It seems that Android Pay has stopped working for anyone who has root as of now. https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/43bl05/newest_safetynet_check_detects_systemless_root/
Pay was working for me last night as it had for weeks. When I heard the rumbles, I checked using safteynet helper and it failed. Just to make sure I tried to pay with it and it failed.
Hopefully this is temporary, but it seems Goggle is being pretty aggressive with patching any issues, so it will be "iffy" at best. At least we don't have to answer anymore, "How can I get Pay to work with my ROM" questions.
Some more info; Being the check is made via an API and is server side, you can't downgrade any app to get it to work. While Chainfire is a deity and I doubt it will take him too long to pop in a fix, Google has an army and cash and if this is important to them, which it is, they will beat him sooner or later. You can un-root and use Pay, then reroot.
For me, while Pay was fun, I've carried a wallet and plastic forever, so it's a no brainer for me, custom rom it is.
Update 1/30/16: If we needed anymore proof; http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
I second that... I love v4a way too much to go back to stock. Android Pay is ...uh "a cute little gimmick" thats it. Most of the relevant places won't even let you use it. I have my RFID wallet and that's safe enough for me. Using AP out in public is just a way to show off and get your phone stolen quicker. Besides I'm not giving Google my fingerprint. So I'll stay on custom ROMs that's why I bought a Nexus, that's why anyone buys a Nexus. If Google is going to start locking down there devices like Apple and Samsung... Then I might as well buy THE best locked down phone out there and thats the iPhone...hands down.
People buy Nexus phones because of the customization possibilities. Let's face it at the end of the day customization is all the Nexus and other phones like it have going for if... That's why I own one.
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I think it's better like this. If you want to use android pay, stay on stock. Android pay shouldn't have worked with root to begin with.
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I think it's better like this. If you want to use android pay, stay on stock. Android pay shouldn't have worked with root to begin with.
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True I have Nexus 6 and a 6p...I'll just keep one of them stock with Android Pay and the other will be my toy to play around with custom ROMs. Easy to swap out a sim card. Easy fix
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I think it's better like this. If you want to use android pay, stay on stock. Android pay shouldn't have worked with root to begin with.
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It bothers me admit that I cant do anything and everything I want to an item I bought and own (Legally of course), especially a Nexus. I root, I accept liability, end of story. But we all know how accepting liability means nothing today.
I understand why Google is doing what they are with Pay and security, rooting makes the device less secure according to the banks. I used Wallet a lot, but I'm sure Google had a concern being they were holding the liability on that vs. Pay and the banks.
Pay was convenient for sure, but I always have to have my drivers license with me and I always have some plastic and having a feature rich rom beats Pay any day, I think it's an easy choice.
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True I have Nexus 6 and a 6p...I'll just keep one of them stock with Android Pay and the other will be my toy to play around with custom ROMs. Easy to swap out a sim card. Easy fix
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Damn bro, your gonna carry 2 phones now! It's a lot easier to just throw some plastic in your pocket!
Just more proof we need MultiRom capabilities!
Interesting read, guess I'm going back to standard root. Root is the only way for me to use Verizon wifi hotspot on a unlimited plan.