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S5 octa is bad than snapdragon 801 ?

As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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Mandeep148 said:
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.

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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.

Mandeep148 said:
thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.

drakester09 said:
In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..

Mandeep148 said:
ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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If you have used a Samsung phone in the past you will be accustomed to the lag and you'll enjoy the much improved Touchwiz.
I really hated it on the S3/N2, slightly disliked it on the S4/N3 but ended up liking the S5 version
Battery life and camera are really good.
Performance wise no games should lag or be a problem (only Xcom has managed to drop frames but it's the most demanding game right now).
Hope you enjoy your phone.
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First i bought the H version of the device. Was not happy with the lack of support from devs. Now i own the F version, and already have the wide range of custom FW available. So if you are the flashing geek, than definitely stick to the Snap device

How about the performance of Exynos 5250?

Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.

The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Alexsandra said:
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).

mrgnex said:
The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!

Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
~Lord

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Great!
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.

abufrejoval said:
As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)

My new SM-P900 lags a lot!

Hi, I'm new in this forum. I need help. I bought a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 (SM-P900). I know it has two quadcores (one of 1.9 GHz and another of 1.3 GHz) but I think it only use one of them, because it lags a lot when I run games and another apps like chrome. Also when I run benchmarks, they only recognize the 1.9 GHz one. I tested Asphalt 8 and it runs at 20 fps or less. Also it lags when I pass pages in S Note. There's a way to speed up and take advantage of both CPUs? Thanks!

S Note always seems to lag (I don't use it, but others report it.) The app isn't optimized for 12.2". Try Lecture Notes.
Benchmarks see only one CPU because that's their limitation. They couldn't detect the second one even of it was running laps around the first.
Cores don't stack. So even if you have 4 1.9Ghz cores, it doesn't become 7.6Ghz. This is why the amount of Ghz matters so much for gaming and heavy apps. The Exynos is designed for multitasking, not heavy processing(games). That's what Snapdragon is for.
Next is the Mali GPU. It's weaker than the Adreno and doesn't handle 2K very well. Particularly in heavy games. Oh it does Candy Crush just fine , but it's like Intel HD vs Nvidia in terms of the more serious work.
If gaming was a priority, you should've gone for the P905 with the Snapdragon 800 & Adreno GPU.
You can try to get rid of most of the bloatware, that should at least speed it up a bit. Also replace the launcher with Nova or Apex, they use less system resources. (60MB RAM vs 800MB.) You can also try a factory reset, see if that helps.
Maybe someone else with a p900 can tell us if they, too, have the same framerate issue. (I've got the P905.)
The Note 3 N9005 and N900 editions have the same hardware as the P905 and P900 respectively. The N900 with the same Exynos/Mali has the same issues with lag in Gaming as the P900 does.
S Note can't be helped, that's Samsung's fault, bad coding.
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Root it and pick one of the stock based roms because they are the only ones with kernel development. I'm on CM 11 because I love aosp but I'm living with the built in kernel. That's the best you're going to get as far as I can see, but there are a lot of really smart folks around here.

Thanks for replying. Your answers helped me

Asphalt 8 has graphics settings where you can change the level of detail. Change the settings to low (which still looks good) and play is completely smooth.
Regarding optimizing general performance, I'd stick with Samsung stock roms as the gpu driver is better than cm based roms. Change the kernel and overclock the cpu and gpu to 2GHz and 667MHz respectively. Use the synapse app to undervolt the cpu and gpu at the highest frequency steps, necessary to avoid thermal limits which drops the clock speeds. With these settings I get 41000 on Antutu and 996/3000+ on Geekbench 3. Very smooth performance for my tablet.

hi guys new to the forum hope you can help..im about to buy the wifi version but because of the lag im tempted with the lte now..my question is a do a lot of art work .sketching etc and recently artrage was released for android..would you say the snapdragon would be better than the exynos version for brush lag etc .I cant seem to get a good answer to this question ..the note 12.2 is a great size and much lighter than a laptop and reat battery life..

sorry wrong forum

Honor 7 stutter while scrolling on some apps

I've had the Honor 7 for almost a month now and it's a great phone, I have noticed one or two issues in regards to lag though. If I am in a Skype call the Skype app shows noticeable lag when scrolling through contacts. Twitter also lags when scrolling through the twitter feed but once images have loaded it is smooth. Is anyone else having similar issues?

I'm not completely satisfied with the performance either. I think the cpu is being too reserved. It uses big.little which means its 2 quad core processors rather than a true octacore. They can't work together, its either the big or little that's running things.
In normal day to day tasks it will be using the little quad core a53 1.5ghz. This is a midrange chip and doesn't even run full speed scrolling through pages etc. In some situations I've noticed better performance on my Redmi 1s.

I'm feeling it a bit laggy too. Nexus 5 with custom rom(euphoria OS) was blazing fast with "worse" CPU.

Spyrek10 said:
I'm feeling it a bit laggy too. Nexus 5 with custom rom(euphoria OS) was blazing fast with "worse" CPU.
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At least its not as bad as the z5 compact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Om8LHKMwjU
In my opinion these big.little cpu's need to go. It puts low end cpu's to do every day tasks and the difference is noticeable. The only thing they are better at is benchmarking. My guess is chipmakers (ARM) failed this year. The best they could come up with is the a57 but it runs so hot and consumes so much power that putting it on its own was impossible. Hence the 'big.little' which would allow high benchmark scores but have most tasks run on the slower chip. Mediatek or a snapdragon 801/805 are better. I think Honor can improve things a bit in updates though.

Another weird issue is gmail crashing. For example when opening email from xda app just closes. Older versions and clearing app data didn't help.

Funny you mention the N5 as having just put Android M on it, it's flying and I was spending some time tonight playing around and wondering how it can be so quick at everything despite being so old (relatively speaking) and using very old SoC.
Doze has also made the battery much better, so while it's not as sexy as modern devices it is showing up more than just the Honor 7.
Of course, I'm using my H7 day to day and the N5 stays at home, but it's still impossible to ignore.
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The lag doesn't really bother me since I don't use twitter on my phone much but I just found it odd since there's no lag when scrolling on YouTube wine there's a 1080p video playing. Maybe they'll fix it with updates (that will hopefully come out faster then we might expect lol)

I've faced lag in tapatalk & Google now widget consistently. This scroll stutter does come up quite frequently even in other apps
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Is anybody experience phone restart when using Google's indic keyboard?

anyone else notice how much more the play store lags after the update?

Overall speed

Would you say that the Nokia 7 Plus is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Nokia 7 Plus exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Yes.Would love to see some comparisons for this.I hear the sd 660 is as fast as the sd 820 from a few years ago.
Phones generally are too fast Nowadays anyway so Im fine with the speed of the sd 660 on paper.Should be fine for day to day tasks

manus31 said:
Yes.Would love to see some comparisons for this.I hear the sd 660 is as fast as the sd 820 from a few years ago.
Phones generally are too fast Nowadays anyway so Im fine with the speed of the sd 660 on paper.Should be fine for day to day tasks
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I'm thinking about swapping my op3 to Nokia 7plus. Do you think that performance will be at similar level?

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I'm thinking about swapping my op3 to Nokia 7plus. Do you think that performance will be at similar level?
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Im actually looking to swap my op3 too.I think performamce will be the same,but not much better. Im probably gonna keep an eye on the op6 to see what price that is before committing to anything.The main advantage to the 7+ is Android One and fast updates.I hear the camera is better than the 5t also.
One thing Im not quite happy with about the 7+ us its design .Its fairly beefy and the nokia branding looks tacky on the front.The op3 is definitely a cooler phone,though I do like the bigger batery on tbe 7+

manus31 said:
Im actually looking to swap my op3 too.I think performamce will be the same,but not much better. Im probably gonna keep an eye on the op6 to see what price that is before committing to anything.The main advantage to the 7+ is Android One and fast updates.I hear the camera is better than the 5t also.
One thing Im not quite happy with about the 7+ us its design .Its fairly beefy and the nokia branding looks tacky on the front.The op3 is definitely a cooler phone,though I do like the bigger batery on tbe 7+
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Actually you're both wrong in a good way
The CPU of the Snapdragon 660 SoC is within 5-10% of the Snapdragon 835 depending on the benchmark you run. This can be attributed to the 10% or so lower clockspeed of the big cores.
The GPU is a lot slower than the 835 monster of a chip but it's still the same as a 821 GPU. So yes, it is actually faster in the SoC department. The nand flash will probably be a little bit slower than that of the OP3 but that shouldn't affect you too much.
It's a very good phone and you'll enjoy the experience since the 8.1 firmware they have fixed all the little bugs.
The camera is also very good, especially in daylight. Please note that the OP3 has Optical image stabilization and that maybe you'll miss the AMOLED screen.
But it is a really good phone. And else the Xiaomi Redmi 5 Plus is also the same size and a very good phone with an amazing battery life. The screens are comparable but the Nokia seems to have a little more staurated colours. Brightness is almost the same in auto mode.
The Xiaomi has a bigger battery and lasts much longer but is lighter and feels like a tank. If you're handy flash a stock ROM and it's almost the same experience as the Nokia.

N7+ speed
Antutu Benchmark gives 140000+ overall score, ranks 38 in all phones..

soulaiman said:
The GPU is a lot slower than the 835 monster of a chip but it's still the same as a 821 GPU. So yes, it is actually faster in the SoC department. The nand flash will probably be a little bit slower than that of the OP3 but that shouldn't affect you too much.
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Snapdragon 660 has Adreno 512 GPU, while Snapdragon 821 has Adreno 530. 530 is almost twice as fast.

Coming from OnePlus One, the Nokia 7 Plus does feel a bit snappier. But sometimes I feel that the firmware is still not fully optimized, switching recent apps feels a bit slower and not fluid. However from what I saw in videos showing Android P on Nokia 7 Plus it does look smoother than current Oreo 8.1.
Tl;dr it is snappier than my OnePlus One but not really snappy. Might be fixed in future updates.

spikypotato said:
Coming from OnePlus One, the Nokia 7 Plus does feel a bit snappier. But sometimes I feel that the firmware is still not fully optimized, switching recent apps feels a bit slower and not fluid. However from what I saw in videos showing Android P on Nokia 7 Plus it does look smoother than current Oreo 8.1.
Tl;dr it is snappier than my OnePlus One but not really snappy. Might be fixed in future updates.
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Thinking of getting it when it goes down to 300 euros

evronetwork said:
Thinking of getting it when it goes down to 300 euros
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You may be able to grab a free google home mini (if it's available) until late June if you want to bite the bullet

Micro Bumping. I'm not noticing any lag on this phone (some games do but I blame the game). The phone is super snappy and fast, and is perhaps the fastest phone I've used. I put this down to the stock android as well, because other phones using "Custom Android" almost never run as good as Stock. The Antutu benchmarks mean nothing, it's a phone. As long as it works without lag, it works fine.
Day To Day use : Absolutely amazing. No lag with fingerprint, and the apps load without issues

I have purchased TA - 1062 variant and in terms of speed there is nothing I can be unhapy about. everything is smooth and fast. I have even compared 7+ with some SD835 devices and I was unable to notice any differences. Some sites were loaded faster with 7+ some with others and so were the apps.

This phone feels like Android Go brick. I expected far more for the price.

This device is amazing. It's fast, smooth and reliable.
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