So my new Exec turned up today, along with a new SIM card, marked 3G.
Do I need to use this card?
My current SIM works fine in it, but Im wondering if I need to put in the new one, call Cust Services and have it enabled, or can I get the 3G service on my existing SIM?
Depends , the 3G card will allow faster internet connection- if in service area
if in stand gprs area , you get a G at top of screen
if in 3G area you get a U
Does that mean I have to use and register the 3G SIM? As far as I was aware, the SIM doesnt actually provide any functionality - its the service class your contract has?
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3G and GSM SIMs are different. Only with a 3G SIM can you use UMTS (3G services). Please check with O2, they may be transferring your number to the new SIM from the old - which would be a good thing if you want fast data download (max speed around 384kbps)
not true, my voda sim of over two years is now 3G enabled...
@twaddle, you're right it is possible to have a SIM that is GSM and UMTS. Did a bit of research and found SIM cards can function in GSM and UMTS modes. This has not been true for "3" network, however.
I'm not really sure the old SIM can be used to received 3G, I've just upgraded and got my old number transfer to the 3G sim, it works after a few hours. If the old one worked then why would they bother giving out the new sim?
Can I have 1 sim for data & voice running at 4G, while the other sim for voice & sms only in 3G? Or only 2G supported?
Because I read at 1+3 forum that it can actually do this, so I was wondering if the Axon 7 can as well. I don't see why not, correct?
Has anyone tried this? I'm in the US, and would like to be able to run a tmobile mvno sim (4G+voice+sms) + an international sim (voice+sms) that's roaming on AT&T who will shut down 2G soon.
It's a dual 4G sim slot, so yea you can run it like that.
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Can I have 1 sim for data & voice running at 4G, while the other sim for voice & sms only in 3G? Or only 2G supported?
Because I read at 1+3 forum that it can actually do this, so I was wondering if the Axon 7 can as well. I don't see why not, correct?
Has anyone tried this? I'm in the US, and would like to be able to run a tmobile mvno sim (4G+voice+sms) + an international sim (voice+sms) that's roaming on AT&T who will shut down 2G soon.
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Go to settings - dual sim settings - network mode and on sim 2 tell it GSM only. It will keep sim 2 on 3g. Also on settings -dual sim settings you can turn off mobile data for either sim. Just put t-mobile in sim 1 and at&t in sim 2, shut off mobile data on sim 2, and tell sim 2 gsm only. Done
Thanks for the info, I didn't buy the device yet; but this makes choosing a device even harder since both can do this now (1+3 & Axon 7).
Until recently this was NOT the norm I believe, best I could find was a dual sim phone with 1 sim @ 4G while the other @ 2G only.
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Go to settings - dual sim settings - network mode and on sim 2 tell it GSM only. It will keep sim 2 on 3g. Also on settings -dual sim settings you can turn off mobile data for either sim. Just put t-mobile in sim 1 and at&t in sim 2, shut off mobile data on sim 2, and tell sim 2 gsm only. Done
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Doesn't GSM-only mean 2G? While both slots are hooked up for 2G/3G/4G, I think only one slot can be connected to 3G/4G at a time, the other slot goes down to 2G.
When I have my Verizon SIM in Slot1 (chosen as data connection) and a T-Mobile SIM in Slot2, using apps like LTE Discovery show my A7 connected to Verizon LTE, Verizon 1x (2G for voice calls), and T-Mobile GSM (2G), not T-Mobile HSPA (3G). When I switch the data connection source to Slot2, it connects to T-Mobile LTE and Verizon 1x (2G), not Verizon EVDO (3G).
Yes I was able to confirm LTE and WCDMA simultaneous operation
Hi! Amazingly, yeah this works...you can have LTE on one SIM and WCDMA 3G on the other (voice only). I tested this with two T-Mobile SIMs and was kind of shocked as in the past it seems like all dual-SIM phones are limited to GSM-only on one of the two SIMs, as has been mentioned above...
But...strangely, this won't work when using a CDMA SIM in slot 1 (i.e., Verizon). I have no clue why...I can definitely confirm that my experience is the same as that stated above by xtermmin - the GSM SIM will be limited to EDGE (2G only) when the CDMA SIM is active as the data SIM. But with two GSM operators yes one can be LTE/WCDMA and the other can be WCDMA/GSM. I'll confirm real quick just to make double sure but I seem to recall seeing this in the specs and was able to confirm it myself. I've attached a screenshot showing this - I have SIM 2 enabled for data as you can see but SIM 1 still shows voice-only on UMTS and thus is not just limited to 2G. I hope they fix this phone so that CDMA SIMs will have this same functionality...for now though I can say confidently that two GSM SIMs can be operated as LTE/WCDMA on primary SIM and WCDMA/GSM on secondary SIM simultaneously...really great news considering all the EDGE networks seem to be on their last leg!
EDIT: Oh - and don't mind the fact that the "Cellular Network State" is shown as disconnected - in slot 1 I have an old T-Mobile SIM just for this test - it isn't active at the moment on an account. But for demonstration hopefully it does suffice as it definitely has the phone connected to 3G service on SIM 1 while having LTE service on SIM 2. Also - I've included a 2nd screenshot to show that with Verizon LTE/CDMA on SIM 1 (shown as carrier '123456'), SIM 2 will be limited to GSM-only on T-Mo...really weird - not sure why this limitation exists for CDMA users - I think it's a ZTE bug as simultaneous CDMA 1X and WCDMA is possible with T-Mobile as the data-SIM.
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Hi! Amazingly, yeah this works...you can have LTE on one SIM and WCDMA 3G on the other (voice only). I tested this with two T-Mobile SIMs and was kind of shocked as in the past it seems like all dual-SIM phones are limited to GSM-only on one of the two SIMs, as has been mentioned above...
But...strangely, this won't work when using a CDMA SIM in slot 1 (i.e., Verizon). I have no clue why...I can definitely confirm that my experience is the same as that stated above by xtermmin - the GSM SIM will be limited to EDGE (2G only) when the CDMA SIM is active as the data SIM. But with two GSM operators yes one can be LTE/WCDMA and the other can be WCDMA/GSM. I'll confirm real quick just to make double sure but I seem to recall seeing this in the specs and was able to confirm it myself. I've attached a screenshot showing this - I have SIM 2 enabled for data as you can see but SIM 1 still shows voice-only on UMTS and thus is not just limited to 2G. I hope they fix this phone so that CDMA SIMs will have this same functionality...for now though I can say confidently that two GSM SIMs can be operated as LTE/WCDMA on primary SIM and WCDMA/GSM on secondary SIM simultaneously...really great news considering all the EDGE networks seem to be on their last leg!
EDIT: Oh - and don't mind the fact that the "Cellular Network State" is shown as disconnected - in slot 1 I have an old T-Mobile SIM just for this test - it isn't active at the moment on an account. But for demonstration hopefully it does suffice as it definitely has the phone connected to 3G service on SIM 1 while having LTE service on SIM 2. Also - I've included a 2nd screenshot to show that with Verizon LTE/CDMA on SIM 1 (shown as carrier '123456'), SIM 2 will be limited to GSM-only on T-Mo...really weird - not sure why this limitation exists for CDMA users - I think it's a ZTE bug as simultaneous CDMA 1X and WCDMA is possible with T-Mobile as the data-SIM.
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Ah, so it's another CDMA quirk. Good to know!
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Ah, so it's another CDMA quirk. Good to know!
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Yeah for sure...I love the phone and all but I really hope ZTE will just fix these annoying CDMA bugs already...Seems like they could fix this stuff with or without Verizon's approval - from the beginning they've kind of hamstrung CDMA and I've never really understood why. Another bug I noticed was that when switching calls to the T-Mobile SIM, VoLTE has to be kicked into gear by toggling the VoLTE toggle and sometimes even putting the phone into airplane mode for a second...from what I've heard this is a unique problem to CDMA use as well.
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Hi! Amazingly, yeah this works...you can have LTE on one SIM and WCDMA 3G on the other (voice only). I tested this with two T-Mobile SIMs and was kind of shocked as in the past it seems like all dual-SIM phones are limited to GSM-only on one of the two SIMs, as has been mentioned above...
But...strangely, this won't work when using a CDMA SIM in slot 1 (i.e., Verizon). I have no clue why...I can definitely confirm that my experience is the same as that stated above by xtermmin - the GSM SIM will be limited to EDGE (2G only) when the CDMA SIM is active as the data SIM. But with two GSM operators yes one can be LTE/WCDMA and the other can be WCDMA/GSM. I'll confirm real quick just to make double sure but I seem to recall seeing this in the specs and was able to confirm it myself. I've attached a screenshot showing this - I have SIM 2 enabled for data as you can see but SIM 1 still shows voice-only on UMTS and thus is not just limited to 2G. I hope they fix this phone so that CDMA SIMs will have this same functionality...for now though I can say confidently that two GSM SIMs can be operated as LTE/WCDMA on primary SIM and WCDMA/GSM on secondary SIM simultaneously...really great news considering all the EDGE networks seem to be on their last leg!
EDIT: Oh - and don't mind the fact that the "Cellular Network State" is shown as disconnected - in slot 1 I have an old T-Mobile SIM just for this test - it isn't active at the moment on an account. But for demonstration hopefully it does suffice as it definitely has the phone connected to 3G service on SIM 1 while having LTE service on SIM 2. Also - I've included a 2nd screenshot to show that with Verizon LTE/CDMA on SIM 1 (shown as carrier '123456'), SIM 2 will be limited to GSM-only on T-Mo...really weird - not sure why this limitation exists for CDMA users - I think it's a ZTE bug as simultaneous CDMA 1X and WCDMA is possible with T-Mobile as the data-SIM.
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Thanks for the info. Has this issue been sorted out to your knowledge? We livein 2 different regions, but would only consider getting the Aussie release of this phone this month if it can seamlessly handle 4g/3g, using 2 SIM cards where both are capable of LTE. Will this work? Does it automatically switch data to SIM 2 in order to take 3G voice call, or does it temp. disable data on sim 1 (4g) to allow SIM 2 call?
RoOSTA
Actually, worse than I thought...but only a bit
roosta said:
Thanks for the info. Has this issue been sorted out to your knowledge? We livein 2 different regions, but would only consider getting the Aussie release of this phone this month if it can seamlessly handle 4g/3g, using 2 SIM cards where both are capable of LTE. Will this work? Does it automatically switch data to SIM 2 in order to take 3G voice call, or does it temp. disable data on sim 1 (4g) to allow SIM 2 call?
RoOSTA
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Hi - I just tried this and here's what I found:
If active data is on SIM 2, a call to or from SIM 1 is possible on UMTS (WCDMA 3G) but this will terminate the LTE connection on SIM 2 for the duration of the call. However, a call on SIM 2 will not be a problem for data unless SIM 2 is on EDGE or less...on UMTS or LTE (i.e., a VoLTE call) you'll still have data during the call.
If data is on SIM 1, a call to or from SIM 2 is only possible on EDGE!!! I didn't know this! I guess SIM 2 will always be GSM-only if SIM 1 is the active data SIM. And also - you will lose LTE data on SIM 1 if you receive or place a call on SIM 2 EDGE/GPRS.
So...it looks like the situation isn't as good as I'd hoped - if 3G calling is necessary on a particular SIM card at all times, that SIM should be placed in slot 1. And it'll work well even when SIM 2 is the active data SIM. But, if you need 3G calling at all times on both SIMs, you may be out of luck.
Also, the Axon does not seem to allow you to change the data SIM in the middle of the call...in this scenario, SIM 2 was on LTE and was the active data SIM, and SIM 1 was on UMTS (calls only). I made a call on SIM 1 and then changed the data to SIM 1 to try and get 3G data during my call...but it didn't connect to data until I hung up the call...so it seems that the service state gets frozen when you make a call, in a way.
I hope this info helps...seems like kind of a mixed bag, unfortunately.
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Hi - I just tried this and here's what I found:
If active data is on SIM 2, a call to or from SIM 1 is possible on UMTS (WCDMA 3G) but this will terminate the LTE connection on SIM 2 for the duration of the call. However, a call on SIM 2 will not be a problem for data unless SIM 2 is on EDGE or less...on UMTS or LTE (i.e., a VoLTE call) you'll still have data during the call.
If data is on SIM 1, a call to or from SIM 2 is only possible on EDGE!!! I didn't know this! I guess SIM 2 will always be GSM-only if SIM 1 is the active data SIM. And also - you will lose LTE data on SIM 1 if you receive or place a call on SIM 2 EDGE/GPRS.
So...it looks like the situation isn't as good as I'd hoped - if 3G calling is necessary on a particular SIM card at all times, that SIM should be placed in slot 1. And it'll work well even when SIM 2 is the active data SIM. But, if you need 3G calling at all times on both SIMs, you may be out of luck.
Also, the Axon does not seem to allow you to change the data SIM in the middle of the call...in this scenario, SIM 2 was on LTE and was the active data SIM, and SIM 1 was on UMTS (calls only). I made a call on SIM 1 and then changed the data to SIM 1 to try and get 3G data during my call...but it didn't connect to data until I hung up the call...so it seems that the service state gets frozen when you make a call, in a way.
I hope this info helps...seems like kind of a mixed bag, unfortunately.
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Thanks for the. That's pretty backwards by ZTE. Makes no sense. SIM 1 and 2 need to work the same way regardless of WHICH SIM had the 3G incoming call and which had 4G data active at the same time. I read the above as SIM 2 can be 2G only, or is the main SIM for 4G data....so 3G calls can be taken on SIM 1. Yep, backwards!
Axon hasn't sold me. Audio on a phone is important, but the HTC front facing speakers get easily clogged, then it looks horrendous. I'm favouring one of OP3T (as i believe this too has unlocked bootloader and root), or worst case - LG v20 or G5 dual...but neither will be given unlocked bootloaders.
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Thanks for the. That's pretty backwards by ZTE. Makes no sense. SIM 1 and 2 need to work the same way regardless of WHICH SIM had the 3G incoming call and which had 4G data active at the same time. I read the above as SIM 2 can be 2G only, or is the main SIM for 4G data....so 3G calls can be taken on SIM 1. Yep, backwards!
Axon hasn't sold me. Audio on a phone is important, but the HTC front facing speakers get easily clogged, then it looks horrendous. I'm favouring one of OP3T (as i believe this too has unlocked bootloader and root), or worst case - LG v20 or G5 dual...but neither will be given unlocked bootloaders.
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So, I just tried it again and it looks like I was able to achieve a UMTS 3G connection on both SIMs even during a call on SIM 1...perhaps my initial test was in error somehow...not sure. But it looks like dual 3G is possible after all...there may be hope!
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So, I just tried it again and it looks like I was able to achieve a UMTS 3G connection on both SIMs even during a call on SIM 1...perhaps my initial test was in error somehow...not sure. But it looks like dual 3G is possible after all...there may be hope!
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Are you sure both are running 3g, because I have had devices that always showed 3g even when connect to 2g networks, really need to test with an app the can see both sims at the same time like network cell info mini.
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Are you sure both are running 3g, because I have had devices that always showed 3g even when connect to 2g networks, really need to test with an app the can see both sims at the same time like network cell info mini.
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Yes I'm sure. I was using LTE discovery and the Settings --> Phone Status...not just the signal type indication. It can run dual 3G UMTS and/or HSPA+.
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Are you sure both are running 3g, because I have had devices that always showed 3g even when connect to 2g networks, really need to test with an app the can see both sims at the same time like network cell info mini.
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Also, if you look at post #6 of this thread you'll see two screenshots in the attachments that show dual LTE/UMTS connections on SIM 2 and 1 respectively.
Awesome and Thanks...
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Awesome and Thanks...
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Sure thing. Just to make double sure, I just put my FreedomPop (AT&T) SIM in with my T-Mobile one and set both to WCDMA...And it's confirmed that dual 3G works fine (see screenshots below). So you should be ok! AT&T has decommissioned 2G completely so the fact that I could sustain a dual T-Mobile/AT&T connection when T-Mobile is active for 3G data should hopefully prove that the Axon 7 can get dual 3G. One caveat though - with a Verizon SIM in slot 1, slot 2 is still 2G only...So you will be limited to 2G in slot 2 if you have a CDMA SIM in slot 1 which is data-active. But two GSM SIMs should be ok. Good luck!
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Sure thing. Just to make double sure, I just put my FreedomPop (AT&T) SIM in with my T-Mobile one and set both to WCDMA...And it's confirmed that dual 3G works fine (see screenshots below). So you should be ok! AT&T has decommissioned 2G completely so the fact that I could sustain a dual T-Mobile/AT&T connection when T-Mobile is active for 3G data should hopefully prove that the Axon 7 can get dual 3G. One caveat though - with a Verizon SIM in slot 1, slot 2 is still 2G only...So you will be limited to 2G in slot 2 if you have a CDMA SIM in slot 1 which is data-active. But two GSM SIMs should be ok. Good luck!
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So Awesome, does anyone if the same is true for the new ZTE Blade v8 Pro, I sure hope so as I am looking to add both of these to my collection, Using prepaid H2O wireless for calls and text and FreedomPop LTE or Global sims for data... What would be the best setup for that data ( FreedomPop ) on sim 1 or sim 2. H20 is a AT&T MVNO
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So Awesome, does anyone if the same is true for the new ZTE Blade v8 Pro, I sure hope so as I am looking to add both of these to my collection, Using prepaid H2O wireless for calls and text and FreedomPop LTE or Global sims for data... What would be the best setup for that data ( FreedomPop ) on sim 1 or sim 2. H20 is a AT&T MVNO
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The only limitation vis-a-vis SIM 1 vs. 2 slot I know of when it comes to GSM SIMs relates to WiFi calling... You can only get WiFi calling on SIM 1. But that shouldn't matter for FreedomPop or H2O I would think so it shouldn't matter. Also, CDMA SIMs only work in slot 1 but of course that should affect you either. So either slot should be fine I'd think!
I have two sims A and B connected to networks .sim A is selected for cellular data but when i change it to sim b , the network on sim b stops coming and until i change the cellular data to sim A and restart the phone Sim B wont connect to a network, error while searching for network is displayed while trying to search for network manually. Does anyone know is it a sim problem or with the mobile. I have even factory resetted the phone and changed the sim slots.
Is one of the SIMs Jio 4G? For it to work, you'll need to set it as the primary data SIM. As soon as you change the data SIM, it will deactivate itself from the network.
So, likely my G4 plus did the same while activating data on another network, JIO4G automatically turns off!
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Is one of the SIMs Jio 4G? For it to work, you'll need to set it as the primary data SIM. As soon as you change the data SIM, it will deactivate itself from the network.
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tried that did not work , one sim is airtel 4g and other is vodafone
That's a model and/or mobile operator dependent problem. I have XT1642 in Germany and never had that problem with both sim slots.
What model did you have and in which country?
it's only due to jio sim in india
Basically, I'm grandfathered in on a great plan with only a gig of data. I'm also grandfathered in with another company for unlimited data, no voice service.
Is it possible to use one sim for calling and the other for data. And when I get into areas not covered by the unlimited data sim switch over to the first sim with better coverage?
Thanks for any advice.
You should be able to set the first Sim for voice calling and the second sim for mobile data from settings, connections, dual sim
Yes!
I used my Vodafone sim for data and everything else goes through my EE sim.
Once you have the second sim in, slide down from the top and you'll see options for SIM1 and SIM2