So...today I sent a mail to LG Dev seeing one other person here, and this is what they replied. I have posted the screenshot. WTF??? What do they mean by previous devices??? This device isn't even 3 months old Goddamn... very mad with LG. Regrets to leave HTC. And BTW where is written which one is newer & which one is older? How are we supposed to know that?? This is cheating....
Not cheating friend. They never promised to unlock your phone when you bought it. Believe me, I know it sucks...I'm right there with you waiting for an unlock myself. This doesn't surprise me one bit, honestly. I'm willing to bet that none of the LG phones sold by carriers will be unlocked by LG in the future either.
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So...today I sent a mail to LG Dev seeing one other person here, and this is what they replied. I have posted the screenshot. WTF??? What do they mean by previous devices??? This device isn't even 3 months old Goddamn... very mad with LG. Regrets to leave HTC. And BTW where is written which one is newer & which one is older? How are we supposed to know that?? This is cheating....
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Yea I've already told everyone this 3 weeks ago.
I need to decide if I want to buy the G4 in exactly a month from now.
If it won't be unlocked until then, I would sadly wait for the Note 5.
Well that'll pretty much cement my decision to go back to HTC. I don't hate this phone, honestly. It's pretty good and I've had no real issues with it. But (and I'm not interested in arguing WHY I want BL unlock and root. I just do. It's my phone) if there isn't mfg support for the unlock, screw 'em.
Came to the G4 because the M9 camera sucked. I suspect HTC will fix that in their next release at which point I'll go back to a phone that I can unlock and root within 15 minutes of opening the box. Nothing against the G4 itself. It's a solid phone. But I won't be locked down, and while I respect the devs working on this and the work they do, I don't have the patience to wait long term for each LG phone I get. Thought I'd maybe move away from HTC entirely, but...guess not. Oh well.
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Well that'll pretty much cement my decision to go back to HTC. I don't hate this phone, honestly. It's pretty good and I've had no real issues with it. But (and I'm not interested in arguing WHY I want BL unlock and root. I just do. It's my phone) if there isn't mfg support for the unlock, screw 'em.
Came to the G4 because the M9 camera sucked. I suspect HTC will fix that in their next release at which point I'll go back to a phone that I can unlock and root within 15 minutes of opening the box. Nothing against the G4 itself. It's a solid phone. But I won't be locked down, and while I respect the devs working on this and the work they do, I don't have the patience to wait long term for each LG phone I get. Thought I'd maybe move away from HTC entirely, but...guess not. Oh well.
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I ALMOST got the M9...just couldn't get past the camera deficiency it has. It's not even a good camera by 2014 standards...and doesn't come close to the best of 2015. I'm willing to even say it isn't as good as the M8's (and possibly even M8. Problem with it is that this year's camera lacks both OIS (which M7 had) and the second camera for depth or imaging chip (which M8 had), leaving it with just a huge MP count and no hardware help to assist the sensor. Sure, software can do some adjustment, but it'll never be like having the actual proper hardware for the job. So while they will likely update the camera...many times, it is still limited by it's unfortunate lack of hardware assistance and isn't likely to ever match any of the other 2015 devices. Best hope from HTC is the "Hero device" they're talking about for this fall.
Either way, I'm gonna stick with LG till next year's flagship round comes out. Sure it sucks to wait for unlock and root, but I'd rather have the top end camera hardware. I use my phone as my primary camera, so I'd rather have bootloader issues than camera deficiency.
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I ALMOST got the M9...just couldn't get past the camera deficiency it has. It's not even a good camera by 2014 standards...and doesn't come close to the best of 2015. I'm willing to even say it isn't as good as the M8's (and possibly even M8. Problem with it is that this year's camera lacks both OIS (which M7 had) and the second camera for depth or imaging chip (which M8 had), leaving it with just a huge MP count and no hardware help to assist the sensor. Sure, software can do some adjustment, but it'll never be like having the actual proper hardware for the job. So while they will likely update the camera...many times, it is still limited by it's unfortunate lack of hardware assistance and isn't likely to ever match any of the other 2015 devices. Best hope from HTC is the "Hero device" they're talking about for this fall.
Either way, I'm gonna stick with LG till next year's flagship round comes out. Sure it sucks to wait for unlock and root, but I'd rather have the top end camera hardware. I use my phone as my primary camera, so I'd rather have bootloader issues than camera deficiency.
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Same here, my phone is my primary camera, especially for vacations. And for the record my wife still has her m8 and my son the m7 and you're correct, BOTH of them take better pictures than the M9 does. We'll see about that hero device. I'm up for another JUMP upgrade in November (I'm grandfathered on the twice a year upgrade plan) so it's possible I could jump ship around then. Just have to see. Absolute worst case I pay this thing off and buy something outright. Dunno yet.
Back on topic though (sorry 'bout that ), my main issue is one of patience. It's probably my fatal flaw...as I said I KNOW it takes time to find and package (for money or free) a stable root exploit. Even longer to find a bootloader unlock exploit usually. This isn't the devs fault by any stretch. I'm just used to being able to quickly unlock and root my device...it's been a REAL long time since I've had to wait for root and finding that LG isn't planning to support an unlock is majorly disappointing to me.
I don't know why anyone would buy a carrier phone, and expect a factory unlock. That's what we have XDA for. Anyway, since we know the phone can be rooted, I'm hopeful that we will see a bootloader unlock, or work around as well. The phone hasn't been out that long, so you just have to have a little patience.
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I don't know why anyone would buy a carrier phone, and expect a factory unlock. That's what we have XDA for. Anyway, since we know the phone can be rooted, I'm hopeful that we will see a bootloader unlock, or work around as well. The phone hasn't been out that long, so you just have to have a little patience.
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'Expect' no. 'Hope' yes. Plus remember I'm coming from HTC where they're unlockable out of the box. Didn't occur to me that LG would flatly refuse to do it. My own fault, but what can you do?
Don't blame LG but your stupid USA cell providers. Which pay a lot of money to let you enjoy their spam.
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Don't blame LG but your stupid USA cell providers. Which pay a lot of money to let you enjoy their spam.
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Well typically I'd agree with you, however this one's LG's decision. TMO doesn't have any issues with unlocked bootloaders. If it was Verizon or AT&T I might agree with you.
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'Expect' no. 'Hope' yes. Plus remember I'm coming from HTC where they're unlockable out of the box. Didn't occur to me that LG would flatly refuse to do it. My own fault, but what can you do?
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Ugh, HTC. I agree with you about their cameras. I started out with the M8 last year, but that camera sucked hard. My wife already had the G3, and when I saw that the devs were confident about rooting/unlocking, I got rid of the M8, bought a G3, and rode it out until it came to fruition.
Is there anyone here who work with LG? I need them to 'deliver' a message..
Here's the thing.. I started with LG G3.. it was a great device and I really love it.. specially the camera.. very nice quality.. and I absolutely loove the root on this thing.. I can switch ROM that I like and add other customization with root ability of course (xposed, adblock, etc..)
And there's the new LG G4.. basicaly an upgrade to LG G3 wich I found very significant upgrade from previous device, LG G3.. without hesitation I upgrade it right away (seeing my lovely expericence with LG G3 before).. But here's the thing.. altough is a wonderful device, I'm very.. very.. very.. very dissapointed they not releasing the root for my device (H818P).. If I known this sooner, I will NOT buy LG G4 and stick to my LG G3..
Soo my 'message' to LG is very clear.. release the unlock, or this is my LAST experience with their phone.. PERIOD.. I heard they are now preparing the LG G4 Pro next year.. well, if they still not releasing the unlock for LG G4, they can forget about it.. well at least from me.. I'm soo done with LG
Think you all have to be patient. There will be a developer who will get it unlocked.
At least I guess. Has there ever been a phone not unlocked?
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Think you all have to be patient. There will be a developer who will get it unlocked.
At least I guess. Has there ever been a phone not unlocked?
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Yep. Motorola had a couple, and I believe the G2 (I could be wrong on that one though).
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Same here, my phone is my primary camera, especially for vacations. And for the record my wife still has her m8 and my son the m7 and you're correct, BOTH of them take better pictures than the M9 does. We'll see about that hero device. I'm up for another JUMP upgrade in November (I'm grandfathered on the twice a year upgrade plan) so it's possible I could jump ship around then. Just have to see. Absolute worst case I pay this thing off and buy something outright. Dunno yet.
Back on topic though (sorry 'bout that ), my main issue is one of patience. It's probably my fatal flaw...as I said I KNOW it takes time to find and package (for money or free) a stable root exploit. Even longer to find a bootloader unlock exploit usually. This isn't the devs fault by any stretch. I'm just used to being able to quickly unlock and root my device...it's been a REAL long time since I've had to wait for root and finding that LG isn't planning to support an unlock is majorly disappointing to me.
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I had both, so I was willing to stake my bet that both took better pics (though admittedly I've never had the M9).
I'm right there with ya on waiting sucks.....probably why I've never bought a device this early in it's "life". I usually get it after it's been out for a few months and has at least root.. I was in the unfortunate situation of my Note 4 becoming so unstable on 5.0 that it was hardly functional....would have to reboot 3-5 times a day average. Got the G4 because I couldn't take the idea of having an apple-looking device in my hand LOL
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Yep. Motorola had a couple, and I believe the G2 (I could be wrong on that one though).
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Hopefully it's not the case. Normally I was already on a custom rom.
No unlocked bootloader means less development on custom roms
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Soo my 'message' to LG is very clear.. release the unlock, or this is my LAST experience with their phone.. PERIOD.. I heard they are now preparing the LG G4 Pro next year.. well, if they still not releasing the unlock for LG G4, they can forget about it.. well at least from me.. I'm soo done with LG
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I'm not saying they don't care about you, but lets face it...they don't care about you. If you don't buy another LG, that's what....1 device per year? Maybe two. Consider this...we have what appears to a few hundred users on the G4 thread. We're probably not 1% of the total sales of the G4....and probably never will be. LG is going to look at "the masses" (aka people who don't xda, have no idea what root is, and wouldn't know what to do with unlock), which is like 99% of the users. They'd rather focus on the next update to the G4 or the next model they release, as if they can make it better than Apple or Samsung's next iteration of the smartphone, they can gain thousands of unit sales. Not to mention, this more than likely is a CARRIER driven situation than an LG driven one. Carriers don't really want us being able to remove their ads and other bloat....they worked hard to fatten our phones up!
I think it's a crazy situation that a carrier can decide that YOUR payed device is locked because of advertising bloatware.
Glad to live in a country with freedoms.
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I had both, so I was willing to stake my bet that both took better pics (though admittedly I've never had the M9).
I'm right there with ya on waiting sucks.....probably why I've never bought a device this early in it's "life". I usually get it after it's been out for a few months and has at least root.. I was in the unfortunate situation of my Note 4 becoming so unstable on 5.0 that it was hardly functional....would have to reboot 3-5 times a day average. Got the G4 because I couldn't take the idea of having an apple-looking device in my hand LOL
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Whereas I'm always 'get me that damned device the second it's available!!! NAO!!!!
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I think it's a crazy situation that a carrier can decide that YOUR payed device is locked because of advertising bloatware.
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It's not because of carrier bloatware. It's largely because of warranty and support. 98% of the people out there aren't going to unlock the phone even if it's able to unlock.Frankly the carriers don't really care about those of us who want to unlock it...we're not a big enough amount of their revenue to matter. Which is why the carriers (well Sprint and TMO anyhow) will usually let you unlock. Like I said, this one isn't because of the carriers (aside from AT&T and Verizon probably). This is about LG not wanting to provide the unlock.
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After having four i9000m's die on me in recent months, it looks like a solution is finally on the horizon! Bell is releasing the Atrix which looks amazing! I am switching the moment it becomes available!
http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2011/01/05/76802.html
That is not a solution!
Bell is not going to give away free phones to replace the broken i9000m's!
A solution would be a fix via new hardware from Samsung!
Why with 10.12 phones it is still failing is not acceptable! Samsung should know about this problem by now and should have it fixed! 10.12 should be all new SD chips...but it does not look like it is...if 11.01 start to fail also...Samsung should be sued along with bell!
It is in the sense that Bell will have a better phone available.
Agreed that unless sued, they will probably not do a replacement.
We have a 'lemon' law in Canada. I think that with so many failures with the bell sgs, one may be able to invoke it.
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It is in the sense that Bell will have a better phone available.
Agreed that unless sued, they will probably not do a replacement.
We have a 'lemon' law in Canada. I think that with so many failures with the bell sgs, one may be able to invoke it.
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yes, we do
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Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.
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Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.
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Agreed... the locked bootloader makes Motorola Android phones useless.
I am holding out for the LG Optimus Black.
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Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.
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Agreed... the locked bootloader makes Motorola Android phones useless.
I am holding out for the LG Optimus Black.
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Hmmm, definitely would not be interested in a phone with a locked boot loader. Ahh well, the fantasy was good while it lasted.
I am talking to a lawyer regarding a class action lawsuit. Time to get serious!!!
I am in the same boat looking at a replacement, was interested in the Motorola until I realized their locked down bootloader. Not sure about LG phones I have not heard god things about them. Looks like I might have to try one of the HTC phones instead. Hopefully they cone up with something that is the same as the galaxy or better soon.
Might be a solution for those with $700 cash and a love for stock Moto ROMs.
Yeah I'll stick with my i9000m thank you !
Why have things been so quiet on the dev front lately?
There was an initial flurry of activity, and most of the big ticket items were taken care of like rooting, sideloading, enabling tethering, webtop hacks, HDMI mirroring, etc. Thanks to DG and the other devs for that!
However, afaik we've only got 2 ROMs so far. I was hoping to join in the dev community when I get the time, but there doesn't seem to be much of one anymore.
Other moto devices with locked bootloaders do have significantly more activity. I'm tempted to jump ship to the Verizon Thunderbolt now... pity because I really like the Atrix despite it's locked bootloader.
(I don't mean to disparage the work done so far... I realize that one of the reasons activity has slowed down is because the big ticket items have been taken care of
Like I've stated in another post in a different thread. Without an unlocked bootloader, you're going to be hearing crickets in these forums soon, as peoples 30 day trial periods are soon coming up. Sure not everyone is returning it but no dev support means a dead device for those of us that want custom roms. There is nothing more to say. If for some off chance the bootloader becomes unlocked you can always buy it again if you still want to support motorola. But don't keep this device based on hope. Accept that moto screwed you and return it while you still can. I am 7 days to go...
No, I'm not keeping it based on hope. I want to keep it because I really like the form factor of the phone as well as its resolution and battery life. I also wanted a phone with HDMI out.
You don't need a custom kernel to have a ROM - sure that imposes limitations on what you can do. In fact, the GingerBlur ROM proved that you can get some enhancements of newer Android releases without changing the kernel.
I can understand though that fewer DEVs would be motivated to work on a phone with a locked/signed bootloader. However, the Droid X forums seem to be pretty active...
i too am a little disappointed at the shrinking dev base - i've seen some leave. however of AT&T android phones, regardless of the software this one appeals to me the most for its form factor/size (i wanted 4" over 4.3"), front-camera and color (all black). the HDMI out (+enabled webtop) is nice too, along with the screen resolution.
'Tis a shame. From what I've been hearing, the Atrix was a sales flop. So much wasted potential.
Well, I'm sticking with it regardless. I got it on launch day and I plan to enjoy it to the fullest.
The tegra 2 game that I want isn't even out yet.
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'Tis a shame. From what I've been hearing, the Atrix was a sales flop. So much wasted potential.
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Maybe this'll be a lesson for Motorola and they might decide to unlock the bootloader after all. I'm this close to jumping ship to the HTC Thunderbolt... I'll probably be grandfathered into their unlimited plan for the foreseeable future.
I tried to get ATT to give me an additional GB by threatening to switch to Verizon, but all they gave me was crappy $25 credit. **** Motorola and **** ATT!!
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Maybe this'll be a lesson for Motorola and they might decide to unlock the bootloader after all. I'm this close to jumping ship to the HTC Thunderbolt... I'll probably be grandfathered into their unlimited plan for the foreseeable future.
I tried to get ATT to give me an additional GB by threatening to switch to Verizon, but all they gave me was crappy $25 credit. **** Motorola and **** ATT!!
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I just bought a thunderbolt. Patiently awaiting its arrival.
Screw moto.
I just found out that DG has left us... this totally blows, though at least Kenneth is still working on the GingerBlur ROM.
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I just bought a thunderbolt. Patiently awaiting its arrival.
Screw moto.
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Did just that and never looked back. LTE Blows at&t out the water where I live and even tough single core...it feels just as fast.
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It does suck we have one person creating roms. Ken is doing an amazing job but only one man can only do so much. I feel that if more devs were here creating roms people would stick around. I plan on keeping mine for awhile since I bought it outright...I'm due for an upgrade soon so well see.
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I'm so mad...these devs see all this negative stuff about how people don't like their Atrix, why the hell WOULD they want to develop for it? Everyone saying "i'm leaving" "returning it" "bought htc (whatever)" doesn't help. Keep it positive at least. Nobody wants to do work for a bunch of winers...
If you're going to return it, keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.
I'm surprised Ken's still working for all of you moaners.
A new rule would be nice, say something useful or don't say anything at all.
It's not the devs fault that Moto screwed them, most folks got it on the hint that moto had changed for the better and was going to make the bootloader open.
I can't blame the folks for taking them back.
Hell I have a Captivate, Hardware outstanding ( just like the Atrix, ok minus the GPS ) Software flat out sucks, at least the devs could do something with the Captivate with the open bootloader. It makes it a pretty damn good phone.
Just imagine what could done with the Atrix if the devs could actually do something with it, Kens isn't real happy either as I'm sure his considerable talent is being stifled by Moto, that burns his ass a lot more than folks returning it because moto rammed it home hard.
I'm sitting on couple of upgrades right now and would get the Atrix in a heartbeat IF Moto and ATT would allow it to be open for the devs. In the meantime I'll wait and may switch to Sprint ( even though I've been Orange for over ten years ) for the Evo3d ( think I read somewhere it has Wimax and LTE radios in it ), that thing is looking real nice and about as future proof as it get's in this industry.
Atrix is a bust Motorola really blew it with the locked bootloader. They underestimated the developer communities influence and it's coming back to bite them in their fat greedy ass.
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I'm so mad...these devs see all this negative stuff about how people don't like their Atrix, why the hell WOULD they want to develop for it? Everyone saying "i'm leaving" "returning it" "bought htc (whatever)" doesn't help. Keep it positive at least. Nobody wants to do work for a bunch of winers...
If you're going to return it, keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.
I'm surprised Ken's still working for all of you moaners.
A new rule would be nice, say something useful or don't say anything at all.
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It's not like everyone is saying that. But the ones saying that are really being vocal about it. I don't get all the hate. Phone has not even one month and mostly I see people complaining about the locked bootloader. Eventually, that will get cracked.
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Eventually, that will get cracked.
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such optimism. The droidX has been out how long? That is still locked down nice and good. I know there are differences, but be reasonable here. It would appear MOTO knows what they are doing.
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such optimism. The droidX has been out how long? That is still locked down nice and good. I know there are differences, but be reasonable here. It would appear MOTO knows what they are doing.
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and at the same time they absolutely have no idea what they are doing to themselves
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and at the same time they absolutely have no idea what they are doing to themselves
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i don't believe this statement for a second. I really don't think this phone is being returned in droves by average users.
in the Eyes of Motorola reliability for 90% of users > support of 10% who want to hack. and a locked down phone is much better for reliability.
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i don't believe this statement for a second. I really don't think this phone is being returned in droves by average users.
in the Eyes of Motorola reliability for 90% of users > support of 10% who want to hack. and a locked down phone is much better for reliability.
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Given the specs of this phone and the capabilities I think that the development community represents a higher percentage in the overall buyers base for this phone. Rooting and custom ROMs are becoming more "fashionable" to average users. I'm not saying that there will be an immediate impact within the lifespan of this phone but if Moto continues these methods it will turn around to bite them
look at the other dual core tegra phone(optimus 2x). the devs and the the people there seems to be really happy with their phone now that clockwordmod is available and some custom kernels are already taking into place(optimus 2x is not yet release here in US and some part of europe)
so i think the locked bootloader is one of the major culprit why most devs are leaving atrix and so are some people who wants custom roms for their phone. its a big disppointment really, moto and at&t are [insert word here]
its a good phone but motorola is acting like apple.
LG G5 launch date confirmed for February 21. It may feature a unique and interesting modular battery design.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with locked bootloader and MM fully securised.........for sure !!!!! :laugh:
and no possibility to unlock it for some looooooong time !!!!!! maybe NEVER ! :laugh:
no development are possible ! nothing !!!!! ........completely useless for XDA !!! this forum don't have to spend energy to create a section ..........pffffff !!!!!!!!
And with bad reputation of LG G4 with it's fragile hardware ,with all these bootloop and other .......... i think that too many people will change for others manufacturers ......
Yes and they supposedly move the buttons on the side.....
This is one good reason to jump in another OEM's wagon. For me back volume rocker was the first reason that pushed me to buy G2. And i was kinda disappointed with G4 when i got the hardware problems after 1 month.
Got to consider my next buy.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with locked bootloader and MM fully securised.........for sure !!!!! :laugh:
and no possibility to unlock it for some looooooong time !!!!!! maybe NEVER ! :laugh:
no development are possible ! nothing !!!!! ........completely useless for XDA !!! this forum don't have to spend energy to create a section ..........pffffff !!!!!!!!
And with bad reputation of LG G4 with it's fragile hardware ,with all these bootloop and other .......... i think that too many people will change for others manufacturers ......
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U are right , bootloader will lose their minority buyer but i think they don't give the sh*t either ...
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U are right , bootloader will lose their minority buyer but i think they don't give the sh*t either ...
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yes it's sure ..... users like ours are really a "minority" ...but there are much more users who "fiddle" their phone (who search for root,xposed,tweaks,customs.....) than we think .
and this future G5 will be the same as an Apple iphone and others Android manufacturers who will eventualy follow this full securities and locks .
The reason I bought the G4 was that I assumed it would be able to root, bootloader unlock and get a custom recovery for Custom Roms. Unfortunately I have the Verizon VS986 variant which only allows root. LG has been pretty stable and fast, maybe not as fast as the Motorola X Pure Edition which has the same specs but overall I am satisfied.
My contract extension isn't until 2017 so I'm pretty much stuck with the phone until then. I have alot of time to monitor and see who really is looking out for people like us that want full control of the phone and the Rom that is within the device.
..Sent from an XDA modified LG G4 on Verizon..
There's no point in buying a phone, if it's not possible to root and mod it. Period
s7 has rumours of a SD card if so back to sammy for me, root don't worry me my banking and a few other apps I need will not run on rooted device.
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Not bad. But seeing how the G4 is as simple as a phone can get and had quite a bit of issues. I can easily see the G5 being filled with even more with a design like that. Stacking the locked bootloader situation and security on top, probably a no go for me.
Sony is really looking like a good option for the future seeing how they're very developer friendly and provide some nice options for the type of phone you'll want. (Premium, compact, that other third one)
Hopefully HTC this year will make us a surprise for the flagship phone then I will jump back to HTC .
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Hopefully HTC this year will make us a surprise for the flagship phone then I will jump back to HTC .
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*100 Out of all the manufacturers I think HTC has had the right idea for a couple years. They just can't seem to get the camera right for some odd reason. But if the camera is only marginally better than the M9 there's no question where I'll be headed. G4 dev support is almost non existent and if I can't tinker than its no use to me.
An HTC with a very good camera, why not 12mpx Ultrapixels..., or a Sony with an Amoled screen and finally a good camera which can shoot in Raw. I like my G4, but screen touch problem is not professional at all and I don't have time to send it and get it back 20 days later... Not serious at all about what LG did. Imagine Apple with this kind of problem... And the G4 don't have fingerprint sensor, a big shame, but like I said, it's still a good phone.
Well, then the show is open for some devices with good dev-support. I'm ready to hear, because neither the new Nexus 6P nor Nexus 5X have that amount of development. And those are phones without any problem.
At the moment, there isn't any new "beloved by developers" phone, is it?
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Well, then the show is open for some devices with good dev-support. I'm ready to hear, because neither the new Nexus 6P nor Nexus 5X have that amount of development. And those are phones without any problem.
At the moment, there isn't any new "beloved by developers" phone, is it?
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Umm let's head over to the S6, Note 5, even the dreaded M9 has way more dev support. And I'm pretty sure the S7, Note 6 and M10 will have more dev support. There is no one "beloved by developers" phone but it seems like we have a good candidate for most "hated by developers" phone. The G4 gets my vote.
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*100 Out of all the manufacturers I think HTC has had the right idea for a couple years. They just can't seem to get the camera right for some odd reason. But if the camera is only marginally better than the M9 there's no question where I'll be headed. G4 dev support is almost non existent and if I can't tinker than its no use to me.
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HTC has amazing devices but has vastly ignored the camera which is a shame. The M9 is a beast and the only reason that made me not buy the phone was the lackluster camera. I just wish there was a way to confirm root, bootloader unlock and Rom compatibility at the time of a phone release but it's a gamble ultimately.
We will all see in a few weeks at Mobile World Congress 2016 Barcelona.
.: sent from my 'Android til I die' phone or tablet
I'm entitled to a new phone July 2017, so roughly 1,5 years to watch the scene. The G4 has amazing potential, I kinda believe what we encounter is mostly software related issues. LG, still, is a very professional company and I doubt they'd pick suppliers who don't double check their hardware. But: After that, LG is dead. I don't understand why you'd wanna lock out developers. I mean, half the stuff of today's Android was made up by developers and hands down, there is some and I doubt it's only a small minority, who don't wanna wait forever till they receive a bloated update or even worse who have to hope and pray that their device will be supplied with updates in the future.
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with locked bootloader and MM fully securised.........for sure !!!!!
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do you have a source for locked bootloader or is this only your assumption?
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do you have a source for locked bootloader or is this only your assumption?
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It's sure at 99.9% that the LG politic about security will not changed at all... it's getting worse ...
Phones are more and more highly encrypted,blocked securised ........because of very bad terribles hackers who want to steal all android users (datas...) ,that's known ...
Loulou-13 said:
It's sure at 99.9% that the LG politic about security will not changed at all... it's getting worse ...
Phones are more and more highly encrypted,blocked securised ........because of very bad terribles hackers who want to steal all android users (datas...) ,that's known ...
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EU H815 is unlockable. if G5 EU version is also unlockable i`m more then happy.
locked down provider phones on us market is another story but this is not a LG (only) problem. rate with your provider decision and / or buy free phones on the market!
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EU H815 is unlockable. if G5 EU version is also unlockable i`m more then happy.
locked down provider phones on us market is another story but this is not a LG (only) problem. rate with your provider decision and / or buy free phones on the market!
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yes ... all manufacturers will follow in this way ......
and "geeks" like ours will have less and less choice of phone ( otherwise we are forced to conform and and sacrifice by buying a phone like others standard users, never without root ,customs ,xposed ... but just the stock firmware )
The only way will be to buy a old second hand phone with developments........or pray that NEXUS will continue to be easy to hack and unlock .
the begining of the end ??? wait and see ...
So after a long time, G4 forced me to write another thread. You see I am a die hard G4 user. I can challenge you, noone is as crazy as me for G4 out there. Want proof?? This is my 3rd G4. Yes 3rd. First one had bootloop. But my local LG providers didn't help me as it didn't have warrenty paper. Second one was stolen. Now third one....Yah it also went into bootloop yesterday. And if you are curious, yes, all of these had S/N 505. My first one went into bootloop within 2 months, last one 5 months I guess. So that's it, I am telling you who are still jumping and showing pity to the guys having bootloop issue, you guys will also have the same issue someday (if you have S/N 505).
I don't know why the petition stopped for repairing G4's having bootloop issue. It was a very good approach.
Now I am forced to say if this is the way LG wants to make money by cheating people, we all should quit LG (only my opinion). Such a widespread problem but showing technical limitations, LG refuses to repair the devices. Yes you may have business policy, but this is an open issue now. See the device, if it really has the problem due to the so-called "loose connection between parts", why just you don't repair or replace the device??? Nobody is asking for any extra favour, right?
Now G5 is out. People are heavily praising it. But they did also when G4 was out. Even LG's promotion for G4 was much better and much more than this year's G5's. But what actually LG gave us special with G4?? Being a die hard user of G4, I can say that nothing but a really good camera and a replaceable battery. LG did so many unfair things with people regarding G4. All other manufactures somehow, directly or indirectly let people unlock their phones' bootloaders. Even there also LG did injustice by letting only a specific model to be unlock. Who knows they won't do that with G5?? Who knows there won't a similar problem like bootloop with G5 also? We xda community are really fond of modding our devices, isn't it? You can say it's a small portion, but day by day XDA members are increasing which shows people are more into modding/customizing these days. So why not LG? Why not improve your customer service? It's 2016!! Come on!! Don't behave like we are still living in an age where to send a message to someone, it takes ages. Do fair business LG, it's people hardwork's money you are taking in your pocket. Do some justice to us......
Had so much troubles trading my SEA H815 off for an EU H815..... My first LG device and probably my last LG device as well if they are not making any progress in these aspects. My EU G4 currently is a S/N 601. Hope this problem has already been solved in later badges.
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Had so much troubles trading my SEA H815 off for an EU H815..... My first LG device and probably my last LG device as well if they are not making any progress in these aspects. My EU G4 currently is a S/N 601. Hope this problem has already been solved in later badges.
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The company that wants to fight Samsung and also has potential, I don't understand why is so poor in decision making.
1. Make yr customer service competent and customer friendly.
2. Keep promises that u make to people.
3. Make your devices developer friendly.
Boom!! What else needed? Look at xiaomi. In 2 years they are here, another 4 years LG, u will find them above u n beneath Samsung maybe
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Didn't they announce they would fix all the bootlooop issues?
I didn't read I'm detail but that was my understanding.
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hmm, I have h818N 505 serial and I'm waiting for it to die or bootloop. Even so, I still have an iphone as a back up phone incase bootloop happens anytime, anywhere. Take note that my LG phone is now 5 months after purchase. I still have a month before the judgement day. If my phone passes for more than 6 months well I'll be one damned lucky guy. Let's see about it.
milan187 said:
Didn't they announce they would fix all the bootlooop issues?
I didn't read I'm detail but that was my understanding.
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They said they will fix it. But only if it's under warranty. If your bootloader is unlocked, then you might be screwed. Some people have got it repaired others have been rejected.
Not all 505's will fail, please stop scaremongering.
If they do fail, then they'll be repaired or replaced under warranty. You might also like to know that this issue has also been reported on 506 and 507 devices. Are all of those destined to fail as well?
9 month old 505 G4 here, thankfully still working perfect. Hopefully it lasts
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Not all 505's will fail, please stop scaremongering.
If they do fail, then they'll be repaired or replaced under warranty. You might also like to know that this issue has also been reported on 506 and 507 devices. Are all of those destined to fail as well?
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if u haven't read my paragraph, I have bought 3. 1 is lost, 2 out of 2 that I own dead. so prabability is 100% if I math it correctly. I only have 505's, so don't know about 506 or 7. There were a handful of people like me when my first device got bootloop. I hope I don't have to remind u where the number gone now if u r quite up-to-date with the forum. Of course I wish noone faces the problem, but if u do someday, please come here n give me a like even though u will b sad.
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I don't know why the petition stopped for repairing G4's having bootloop issue. It was a very good approach.
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Because LG has been dutifully repairing defective G4's the world over. Under warranty. The issue is not that there is no repair but rather how long it takes to get the device back, typically a month.
There was a thread where people were talking about half the screen dead and were most calm about it. if that happened to me i'd be pretty nervous. warranty repair again. in fact easier as its only a screen replacement instead of a mobo replacement. mobo's are expensive so LG is footing the bill, each and every time it happens. Oh they know. Do they want to go through it again with the G5, doubtful.
Your problem is you cannot get warranty as you have to import. My sympathies.
Now tell me, if you know 505 isn't good why did you get it twice over. Why didn't you ask for later models ?
Being a die hard user of G4, I can say that nothing but a really good camera and a replaceable battery.
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A device that does not slow over the months ?
Expandable storage.
LG did so many unfair things with people regarding G4. All other manufactures somehow, directly or indirectly let people unlock their phones' bootloaders. Even there also LG did injustice by letting only a specific model to be unlock. Who knows they won't do that with G5??
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This is something we just have to live with. Not you though, thought you got the unlockable euro H815 each time.
is LG the only vendor that does not allow bootloaders to be unlocked i wonder ?
Who knows there won't a similar problem like bootloop with G5 also?
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The same thing applies again, warranty replacement. Same as with other vendors.
LG was happy to fix my 505 LG G4, at no cost to me, with very fast shipping and turn-around. So LG made me happy even though mine failed, they fixed it fast.
Weird. Saw this thread this morning, now my G4 is bootlooping to death. Guess what? S/N starts with 505
Mine went 4 months then died
Ah its destined to. However, LG is replacing the boards with 505 and 506 boards. (those are the boards which were manufactured in mid of 2015 (May-June).
My G4 got stuck on bootloop last month and I went to LG Service center. As soon as I started describing that its stuck on boot loop, he understood the entire thing (guess the issue is pretty famous by now) and then without asking any question he just replaced the board in warranty. Didn't even ask for bill or warranty papers. (though I guess the serial number itself explains the warranty status).
I'll suggest you guys., go to service center and get it done. If it doesn't work out at one of them, try other one. There must be multiple in your city.
Their service (SBE) refuses to repair the phone as well, I'm annoyed as hell, a guy got it repaired by them after the warranty period for free when he got it of 2nd hand and unlocked bootloader, he didn't even have a receipt... And when I phoned them the guy I was speaking with they "will not fix it because the whole mother board has to be replaced and it would be cheaper I just buy a new phone", so according to them its cheaper to buy new phone for 400 pound than get it repaired and not to be charged for it? Huh, fu**ing amazing logic LG, I emailed them about this yesterday and still did not get any reply. Say no more about LG, it's my first and last LG phone, I loved it till now but I'm just done.
I agree that the G4 is a great phone but LG's services sucks badly, my last LG phone.
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So after a long time, G4 forced me to write another thread. You see I am a die hard G4 user. I can challenge you, noone is as crazy as me for G4 out there. Want proof?? This is my 3rd G4. Yes 3rd. First one had bootloop. But my local LG providers didn't help me as it didn't have warrenty paper. Second one was stolen. Now third one....Yah it also went into bootloop yesterday. And if you are curious, yes, all of these had S/N 505. My first one went into bootloop within 2 months, last one 5 months I guess. So that's it, I am telling you who are still jumping and showing pity to the guys having bootloop issue, you guys will also have the same issue someday (if you have S/N 505).
I don't know why the petition stopped for repairing G4's having bootloop issue. It was a very good approach.
Now I am forced to say if this is the way LG wants to make money by cheating people, we all should quit LG (only my opinion). Such a widespread problem but showing technical limitations, LG refuses to repair the devices. Yes you may have business policy, but this is an open issue now. See the device, if it really has the problem due to the so-called "loose connection between parts", why just you don't repair or replace the device??? Nobody is asking for any extra favour, right?
Now G5 is out. People are heavily praising it. But they did also when G4 was out. Even LG's promotion for G4 was much better and much more than this year's G5's. But what actually LG gave us special with G4?? Being a die hard user of G4, I can say that nothing but a really good camera and a replaceable battery. LG did so many unfair things with people regarding G4. All other manufactures somehow, directly or indirectly let people unlock their phones' bootloaders. Even there also LG did injustice by letting only a specific model to be unlock. Who knows they won't do that with G5?? Who knows there won't a similar problem like bootloop with G5 also? We xda community are really fond of modding our devices, isn't it? You can say it's a small portion, but day by day XDA members are increasing which shows people are more into modding/customizing these days. So why not LG? Why not improve your customer service? It's 2016!! Come on!! Don't behave like we are still living in an age where to send a message to someone, it takes ages. Do fair business LG, it's people hardwork's money you are taking in your pocket. Do some justice to us......
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May be and may not be. This is my 2nd G4 both 505.
1st one went to bootloop as soon as I upgraded to MM but second one is working fine.
However I don't like this device at all.
mohitgalaxy3 said:
However I don't like this device at all.
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Because no root on M ?
Does anyone know if I can send my phone in for warranty even if I've unlocked the bootloader? My phone isn't bootlooping yet, but I'd love to know what to do if it does..
One Twelve said:
Because no root on M ?
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no root no bootloader unlocked...no option to choose a diff model in malaysia...bad battery backup...bad performance in auto mode in low light...bad sound.
Hello,
So I got the H870DS version without knowing about LG's policy on bootloader unlocking so I was really disappointed when I learned that I can't unlock my phone.
A friend of mine got the European version and he doesn't care much about unlocking his phone and I was wondering if I could use his phone's id and imei to generate an unlock.bin file and use that on my device, my initial thought was that it wouldn't work because somehow the key should be unique to the device but still I wanted a second opinion on this just to be sure.
qer0si said:
Hello,
So I got the H870DS version without knowing about LG's policy on bootloader unlocking so I was really disappointed when I learned that I can't unlock my phone.
A friend of mine got the European version and he doesn't care much about unlocking his phone and I was wondering if I could use his phone's id and imei to generate an unlock.bin file and use that on my device, my initial thought was that it wouldn't work because somehow the key should be unique to the device but still I wanted a second opinion on this just to be sure.
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I understand that you have gravitated towards Android because it has the customization support, and we are all very happy to welcome you. But it is these kinds of posts that put off the developers. Please read the G6 thread and search for your specific model. If it is locked, it is locked. Sell the phone and buy a Samsung, or a OnePlus; or wait patiently for an unofficial workaround. Have a nice day!
vijaykanth said:
I understand that you have gravitated towards Android because it has the customization support, and we are all very happy to welcome you. But it is these kinds of posts that put off the developers. Please read the G6 thread and search for your specific model. If it is locked, it is locked. Sell the phone and buy a Samsung, or a OnePlus; or wait patiently for an unofficial workaround. Have a nice day!
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I'm sorry for the post but I'm feeling desperate. I had the OnePlus One for 2 years and I loved it for the customization, different roms etc. I really like this device that's why I want to avoid selling and it doesn't look like LG has any intention of offering an unlocked bootloader for my device version
Well better do my homework next time I'm gonna buy a new phone.
qer0si said:
I'm sorry for the post but I'm feeling desperate. I had the OnePlus One for 2 years and I loved it for the customization, different roms etc. I really like this device that's why I want to avoid selling and it doesn't look like LG has any intention of offering an unlocked bootloader for my device version
Well better do my homework next time I'm gonna buy a new phone.
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Man, I feel you. Even I was about to order this literally yesterday. Then I saw that the support LG offers is not just pathetic, but non-existent. Are we supposed to think of their devices as flagships, when we aren't even getting full ownership of the device after paying the full amount upfront? This is the reason its rivals are doing much better, even after LG uses the "latest" tech.
Anyways, I ordered the OnePlus 5, and that will be my first Chinese smartphone. I am very skeptical about the OP5 as well, cause it is hardly a flagship (no expandable memory, no water resistance, no dust resistance, easily overpriced by $50), but what can you do?! The smartphone market is really pathetic since 2015. Consumers are so stupid and jump on the bandwagon like a bunch of sheep. I am coming from a Samsung Galaxy S4, and none of the smartphones have impressed me since 2013, except maybe the S8, which is way too overpriced by at least a $100!
vijaykanth said:
Man, I feel you. Even I was about to order this literally yesterday. Then I saw that the support LG offers is not just pathetic, but non-existent. Are we supposed to think of their devices as flagships, when we aren't even getting full ownership of the device after paying the full amount upfront? This is the reason its rivals are doing much better, even after LG uses the "latest" tech.
Anyways, I ordered the OnePlus 5, and that will be my first Chinese smartphone. I am very skeptical about the OP5 as well, cause it is hardly a flagship (no expandable memory, no water resistance, no dust resistance, easily overpriced by $50), but what can you do?! The smartphone market is really pathetic since 2015. Consumers are so stupid and jump on the bandwagon like a bunch of sheep. I am coming from a Samsung Galaxy S4, and none of the smartphones have impressed me since 2013, except maybe the S8, which is way too overpriced by at least a $100!
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From what I understand they don't offer bootloader support for the asian version because they're afraid that resellers may load bloatware or even spyware on the device before selling it and so you're sure you're getting a safe out of box software experience this way and I guess the majority of buyers won't care about unlocking it thus hurting more "advanced" users.
The OnePlus 5 seems decent although they have indeed overpriced it a bit for what it offers but I've held different OnePlus devices (One, X, 3) and their build quality is nice and the unlocked bootloader will prolong its lifespan by quite a bit through custom roms.
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From what I understand they don't offer bootloader support for the asian version because they're afraid that resellers may load bloatware or even spyware on the device before selling it and so you're sure you're getting a safe out of box software experience this way and I guess the majority of buyers won't care about unlocking it thus hurting more "advanced" users.
The OnePlus 5 seems decent although they have indeed overpriced it a bit for what it offers but I've held different OnePlus devices (One, X, 3) and their build quality is nice and the unlocked bootloader will prolong its lifespan by quite a bit through custom roms.
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Yep, LG and its code of ethics has hurt developers and hardcore users big time. In one way I guess you have to agree to it as well, because it is indeed great to see a firm that cares about security and user information safety (unlike the OnePlus which blatantly takes user info, but can be avoided after installing a custom ROM, which is why we buy Android smartphones )
I am hoping to not think of any other device for another 2-3 years at least. If the new OnePlus that's coming out later this year or early next year is good then I'll definitely exchange the OnePlus 5 for that. Smartphone buying has become hectic!
To the moderator of this thread: You can close this thread!
vijaykanth said:
I understand that you have gravitated towards Android because it has the customization support, and we are all very happy to welcome you. But it is these kinds of posts that put off the developers. Please read the G6 thread and search for your specific model. If it is locked, it is locked. Sell the phone and buy a Samsung, or a OnePlus; or wait patiently for an unofficial workaround. Have a nice day!
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His question was valid and met guidelines so please keep your opinions to yourself if they are not helpful to the initial post. You will be reported next time, the forums here do not support stifling of valid questions and support. Strike one.
qer0si said:
A friend of mine got the European version and he doesn't care much about unlocking his phone and I was wondering if I could use his phone's id and imei to generate an unlock.bin file and use that on my device, my initial thought was that it wouldn't work because somehow the key should be unique to the device but still I wanted a second opinion on this just to be sure.
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Why not just trade phones with your friend?
dwasifar said:
Why not just trade phones with your friend?
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He thinks my model being the Korean one is gonna show problems soon lol, oh and he has the white color which I really don't like because it makes the black line between the body of the phone and the screen noticeable.
qer0si said:
I'm sorry for the post but I'm feeling desperate. I had the OnePlus One for 2 years and I loved it for the customization, different roms etc. I really like this device that's why I want to avoid selling and it doesn't look like LG has any intention of offering an unlocked bootloader for my device version
Well better do my homework next time I'm gonna buy a new phone.
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Sell it and buy the LG G6 US997 from B&H they are all bootloader unlockable its the US version NOT US Cellular and they are cheap as well hope this helps ya link enclosed below
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/used/1322815/lg_g6_us997_32gb_smartphone.html