Hello,
Today, I bought 2 second hand White Frost Galaxy S4's (i9505). Long story short, I was going to just buy one, but both were reasonably priced and I decided I would keep the one in better condition and sell the other one. Reasonable thinking right? They're the same phone after all? Seemingly not.... it seems.
The software on the device is exactly the same, as confirmed by the About section of Settings and the user interface is identical in speed and what not, but here's the thing.
1. The camera lens seems to be different on one. One has a slightly larger lens (At least from looks alone) and it reflects a different colour. The other seems to be slightly smaller. Strangely enough, in my camera tests, the smaller one seems to perform far better than the bigger one, which is a worry.
2. The display on one is less 'vibrant' than the other, both are more vibrant than my Xiaomi however.
3. The one with the 'better rear camera' seems to have a worse front facing camera that seems to seems to overexpose photos more when held in the same place as the other S4.
4. The white frost texture is different. On one, it's very faint and you can just make out the little diamonds that make it up. The other, they're more clearly marked and visible.
Both phones look identical from a far, but it seems evident that they have different hardware or have been built differently. They're both I9505's though and both seem to have the stickers, boxes and what not to prove it.
Has anyone else had this? I will upload some photos when I get chance maybe tonight.
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The better camera, slightly purple hue, no ring and more gap between the lens and the edge.
The worse camera, green hue, a ring around the larger lens and smaller gap.
Is it possible the second one is an aftermarket sensor? Surely not? Neither show signs of butchery.
Attempt to put both units into download mode. Tell us the results.
Using e.g. 2 different camera sensors for the same model is not uncommon. Didn't Samsung admit recently, that they're using both Sony and Samsung camera sensors for the S6 ?
Yes they did, but the S4 never had the issue with camera sensors, or the people here would have known about it in 2013.
Xeleth said:
You could try typing *#34971539# in dialer to see if there are differences in rear cameras.
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OK, Thanks for this useful piece of info. I'll have a look what this turns up. It's night now, so going to see if the cameras react differently in lower light conditions. The unfortunate thing is, one of the reasons I bought the S4 is because I know it has a blisteringly good camera. I've been told it's still one of the best even 2 years on, which is why you can imagine I was so disappointed when I realized one seemed to have a better camera than the other. I've stupidly let the battery drain on the one with the good camera, so I can't test the low light conditions to see if it's better.
I've used your code, sure enough, the firmwares are different. Does this mean I could load a better camera firmware or perhaps the phone is due a standard Samsung update? Both are still on 4.x:
Purple Lens:
Green Lens:
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Attempt to put both units into download mode. Tell us the results.
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Thanks for your advice. Neither phones are fake though, both successfully go into download mode with the whole warning of 'custom firmware yadda yadda' press up to continue and all that.
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Using e.g. 2 different camera sensors for the same model is not uncommon. Didn't Samsung admit recently, that they're using both Sony and Samsung camera sensors for the S6 ?
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Very possible. I've been doing some research, apparently the Purple sensors are made in China, the Green sensors are made in Taiwan, both supposedly to the same spec and should provide identical results, but clearly that isn't the case, the purple sensor seems to do a much better job and this disappoints me. What's worse, I've already fallen in love with the S4. It's exactly what I wanted from a phone since getting rid of my Nexus 4 which the lack of an SD started to get on my nerves.
That may explain the camera differences I suppose, but it doesn't explain the other differences. Again, one has a slightly different screen, it's certainly less vibrant. Not noticeably so when used on its own, but certainly when next to the other S4. Could that be caused by use maybe or is that different hardware? Further to that, what about the one with the worse front facing camera. I've looked at it closer and it seems the front facing sensor is ever so slightly higher than on the other S4 which means perhaps the light distribution isn't so even? Also, those other optical sensors don't seem to be the same, slightly higher it seems? Perhaps this one has had a new screen installed.... nightmare this is seeing as the one with the possible aftermarket screen has the camera I prefer. Wtf?
Also, while all those things can be explained, rear camera perhaps a different sensor, screen perhaps slightly different due to use, different screen explaining front facing camera.....
It could also explain the white frost thing, perhaps the aftermarket screen has a slightly different white frost look. I guess it would be wise to keep the one with the OEM screen and not let the camera thing bother me too much...
I might place the device in a tripod and take a photo of the same thing and see how it looks
Found these threads, going to have a read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283201&page=13
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2296644
Just ran Antutu,
1 device got 30375
other got 30124
so realistically, they're both genuine, but I'm getting the impression that perhaps one has had a replacement screen (maybe not a very good one). That'll probably be the one I sell, even if the sensor is better on that one. I think with the green sensor, you have to focus more carefully. Not ideal. I can do more tests I guess.
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I am REALLY hoping I may just have a defective/lemon unit (as I could swap it out)... I need some testers willing to submit similar shots to see if this is actually a manufacturing defect/issue or just the unit I have currently.
My images are showing major image warp, almost like a fisheye effect but worse. Easily most noticeable when taking pictures of legible text. I have used both stock and Google camera, yielding same results. I took pictures of the Droid Turbo & my S5 boxes.
I am on Version 21.21.15.en.US for the record (latest update) in case this may have been cause by firmware/software...
Images here: http://imgur.com/a/UDcm1
...that's hardly "major."
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I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. I don't really see anything except slight blurring towards the middle, wouldn't call that major but I get what you mean. However, I took an image of the back of my box so you can compare it.
http://i.imgur.com/S8mDiAW.jpg
The majority of cameras have image distortion. Photoshop even has an option to fix it. Usually this distortion is fixed through post-processing but maybe Motorola isn't doing it, or not enough?
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...that's hardly "major."
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I hope you're kidding? Do you not see the text bending/waving all over the place? It is basically acting like there are multiple fish eyes in one picture...
I don't notice this on any other phone I own. Either a software issue or a defect with the lense or function of the sensor in the camera.
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...that's hardly "major."
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Xelios029 said:
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. I don't really see anything except slight blurring towards the middle, wouldn't call that major but I get what you mean. However, I took an image of the back of my box so you can compare it.
http://i.imgur.com/S8mDiAW.jpg
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Just look at the text, not the box itself.
Andromjb said:
I am REALLY hoping I may just have a defective/lemon unit (as I could swap it out)... I need some testers willing to submit similar shots to see if this is actually a manufacturing defect/issue or just the unit I have currently.
My images are showing major image warp, almost like a fisheye effect but worse. Easily most noticeable when taking pictures of legible text. I have used both stock and Google camera, yielding same results. I took pictures of the Droid Turbo & my S5 boxes.
I am on Version 21.21.15.en.US for the record (latest update) in case this may have been cause by firmware/software...
Images here: http://imgur.com/a/UDcm1
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Here is one I took outside of the Verizon store on my way out today.....
Looks pretty good to me....just point and shoot.
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Just look at the text, not the box itself.
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I think I get what you're pointing out. The text is clear where you point the focus to, but the further you move away from it, the more blurry it gets? I think that's just the way the focus is. TBH, I never even noticed it till now. Could be a software issue though.
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I think I get what you're pointing out. The text is clear where you point the focus to, but the further you move away from it, the more blurry it gets? I think that's just the way the focus is. TBH, I never even noticed it till now. Could be a software issue though.
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Not even just that, the text itself is warped. It's not straight, it's all over the place. I'll edit a picture and post more specifically what I mean.
Not a problem at all. No "major" issue. Looks almost 100% fine. If you want great pictures get an actual camera. There is NOTHING major about this.
Edit: if people are having a hard time seeing your issue it's nothing to complain about.
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Not a problem at all. No "major" issue. Looks almost 100% fine. If you want great pictures get an actual camera. There is NOTHING major about this.
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OK. Apparently "major" is over the top... Still an issue, I don't have this problem on my other phones. At least, not noticeable like this...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xyzbymubfrm9zk/textwarp.jpg?dl=0
i really notice the fish-eye kind of effect, but i honesty dont think its a big issue, at least not for me.
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OK. Apparently "major" is over the top... Still an issue, I don't have this problem on my other phones. At least, not noticeable like this...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xyzbymubfrm9zk/textwarp.jpg?dl=0
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Damn, I see what you're saying, and I wish I couldn't haha. Not sure what to make of it. Did you try the updated version of the Motorola camera? I haven't taken a picture yet since updating it, but give that a shot I suppose.
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OK. Apparently "major" is over the top... Still an issue, I don't have this problem on my other phones. At least, not noticeable like this...
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I do see size differences in the text and the wavy you're speaking of. My assumption would be that when the megapixels is increased you see more of the paper not being perfectly straight or flattened so you get this affect? Idk. My guess. I don't see it as much but I just wanted to say I appreciate all the feedback on this phone as i haven't gotten one yet and am looking at people's reviews. Not trying to shoot you down.
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I do see size differences in the text and the wavy you're speaking of. My assumption would be that when the megapixels is increased you see more of the paper not being perfectly straight or flattened so you get this affect? Idk. My guess. I don't see it as much but I just wanted to say I appreciate all the feedback on this phone as i haven't gotten one yet and am looking at people's reviews. Not trying to shoot you down.
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I thought the same thing initially. Perhaps the box was not flat or the printed text itself was an issue, not the case. Which is why I took pictures of two different boxes. Same issues recurred.
I also took same pictures with my S5 and iPad 3. No similar effects. They take pictures with straight text, the tops do tend to warp a tad, but nothing in the centers. Nothing close to what my Turbo is doing.
I'm asking others to take pictures to see if it is something to do with the lens, glass, sensor, idk? I am on the latest firmware/software and all apps are up to date.
Also, it seems to provide worse results with HDR enabled. This may be software based...
can it be related to the 4:3 ratio instead of 16:9? try 15mpx mode
Hmm you could test maybe to see if it's hardware vs software. I'm thinking maybe hardware would be more likely to give a consistent distortion (I.e. in same location and to same amount), whereas a software defect may cause distortion but more randomly across various tests. Try getting grid paper and set up the phone (so its securely in place) to take pictures perpendicular from page. Then compare several pictures by examining the deviation from straight lines of the grid and see if they happen consistently in the same spots or randomly with little to no consistancy.
I would agree with the OP - that this is an issue in his phone.
A strong driver for me to upgrade from my Droid Maxx to the Turbo is the 21 mpx camera. And if that one has issues, then I stay put with what I have for now.
put a straight edge on the line of the box, third picture I think.
To the naked eye it looks bent all over the place. I lined the edge of a sheet of paper against it, and it's straight. Probably just the font and an optical illusion, some people are more sensitive to this type of perception than others.
Hey,
So I noticed something interesting with my S7 edge camera. Take a look at these two pictures. The lines are all parallel but the camera warps them and makes them wavey. I tried THREE other brand new S7 edge and 1 S7 phones and they all had this issue.
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Can someone else see if this is happening on their phones too? Post pictures please!
It's your eyes. In reality they are straight lines, but your brain makes them wavy.
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I kind of noticed the same thing, especially at the top.
Brava27 said:
It's your eyes. In reality they are straight lines, but your brain makes them wavy.
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The lines are most definitely wavy. Just pull a ruler across the screen and you will see how the lines are no actually straight. As for why? I'm not sure but it's probably due to the nature of the lens. It's not very noticeable in every day use though.
Could be a flaw , but also an illusion
Tell you a funny store from the goood old days
At rolls royce in england they had old craftsmenn doing the welding job on manufacturing the grill on the rolls
they were the only ones that could make them so they lokked straight elgeangt lines ,, but.. take a ruler and they are bend so ever slightly to avoid your eyes seeing them as out of line ( your lens in the eye is curved too )
Guys,
I've taken multiple photos. These are only a few. I have tested with 5 devices total. Put a straight edge up to the image and you will see that they are distorted. The distortion is static - always distorts the same way in the same place for each image.
Can anyone else test and post pictures?
Thanks!
You can clearly see there's some barreling distortion near the top of the pic but there's another type of distortion in the middle, the level is flat, dont worry about the bubble.
Plastic f1.7 lens! Even my expensive L glass has some barreling, especially wide open, but I can correct for that in my DSLR body. I think that as smartphone lenses get faster, this will become more apparent.
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Plastic f1.7 lens! Even my expensive L glass has some barreling, especially wide open, but I can correct for that in my DSLR body. I think that as smartphone lenses get faster, this will become more apparent.
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Even in the middle? I can understand some barreling on the outside.
Definitely visible here with both the sony and samsung sensors.
http://cdn03.androidauthority.net/w...03/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-camera-sample-Sony-5.jpg
http://cdn02.androidauthority.net/w...Samsung-Galaxy-S7-camera-sample-ISOCELL-5.jpg
seen this before. Honestly thought it was my eyes.
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It's barrel distortion, you can fix this during post processing, should not matter unless you use your phone on architecture stuff.
Anyone every find a camera lens profile for this?
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It's your eyes. In reality they are straight lines, but your brain makes them wavy.
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it's not his eye it's the distortion in his camera lens.
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You can clearly see there's some barreling distortion near the top of the pic but there's another type of distortion in the middle, the level is flat, dont worry about the bubble.
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Your floor is most definitely not level.
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Your floor is most definitely not level.
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I said don't worry about the bubble, my fluffy carpet is not level
There is a shape-correction or distortion connection setting that may fix this. AFAIK it was affecting only selfies on s6, but this one also does sth to rear cam.
I have the same issue on my S7.
Look at the white strips. Should be straight.
Sh**ty camera.
Psylosteriva said:
I have the same issue on my S7.
Look at the white strips. Should be straight.
Sh**ty camera.
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There's a shape correction option in the camera settings, turn it on.
I know it. It doesn't work.
the exact same problem with my s6 rear camera
Guys same exact problem for me, I can confirm you it not only affects s7 but also s6 since mine is an s6 non edge. Just waves all over the horizontal axis of the image, almost embarrassing, and this should be supposed to be among the best smartphone cameras? really?? and no reviewer noticed that??? Incredible, a real shame....
Hello everyone, I have an S7E, and I've been using it for over a month. I love the device to bits... But I am having a problem. I don't like the temperature of the colors that it produces. I am coming from the G4, and the colors seem to be warmer. Is there a way to make pictures a bit warmer right off the bat? Maybe a filter or a custom setting? For example, if you have seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9i0VnV0M4
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Even in my own test shots from the G4, G5 and S7E, I see that the colors are usually "brighter" or more "washed out." I know it's not my unit, since I have 2 S7E and I had another one before this for a total of 3.
Nothing is WRONG with the camera, or the pictures... I'd just like them to be a bit warmer... Is there any way to achieve this? Thank you
Use the Pro mode in the camera and set custom white balance. That's the best solution you can find. Or edit the pictures after you have taken them. Not perfect solutions but nothing else you can do about it really.
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Hello everyone, I have an S7E, and I've been using it for over a month. I love the device to bits... But I am having a problem. I don't like the temperature of the colors that it produces. I am coming from the G4, and the colors seem to be warmer. Is there a way to make pictures a bit warmer right off the bat? Maybe a filter or a custom setting? For example, if you have seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9i0VnV0M4
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Even in my own test shots from the G4, G5 and S7E, I see that the colors are usually "brighter" or more "washed out." I know it's not my unit, since I have 2 S7E and I had another one before this for a total of 3.
Nothing is WRONG with the camera, or the pictures... I'd just like them to be a bit warmer... Is there any way to achieve this? Thank you
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Look at that screenshot...how do you actually see the scenery if you look at it with your own eyes ? Like the right, or the left image ?
The G4 pictures are not warmer, they just exhibit a "bad lens" effect, looking like they are shot from behind a glass window. Look at Canon for truly warmer tones.
PS: you can always adjust white balance in Pro mode.
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Look at that screenshot...how do you actually see the scenery if you look at it with your own eyes ? Like the right, or the left image ?
The G4 pictures are not warmer, they just exhibit a "bad lens" effect, looking like they are shot from behind a glass window. Look at Canon for truly warmer tones.
PS: you can always adjust white balance in Pro mode.
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Right is more true to life. I have a G4, G5 and S7E. I love the S7E for everything except the camera colors. Images are always more true to life colors on the G5 and G4. My partner has an S7E as well and always says that he prefers the colors not so true to life, but I do. That is the only flaw I can find in the S7E. So I was wondering if there was a way to fix it. White balance can be changed for every shot. But I'd have to adjust for EVERY shot. That's not very convenient. I really enjoy using mobile cameras since they're always on me.
Anyways, thanks. I just thought there would be an easier way.
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Right is more true to life. I have a G4, G5 and S7E. I love the S7E for everything except the camera colors. Images are always more true to life colors on the G5 and G4. My partner has an S7E as well and always says that he prefers the colors not so true to life, but I do. That is the only flaw I can find in the S7E. So I was wondering if there was a way to fix it. White balance can be changed for every shot. But I'd have to adjust for EVERY shot. That's not very convenient. I really enjoy using mobile cameras since they're always on me.
Anyways, thanks. I just thought there would be an easier way.
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The right picture is actually an example of horrible dynamic range, maybe like 8 stops.
I have vast experience with cameras, including many DSLRs, and the S7/Edge is the first smartphone camera that does not exhibit the "small/bad lens" and low dynamic range effect, pictures actually look like what you see, instead of looking dark and with low dynamic range. What you see in the G4 pictures is actually low dynamic range of the sensor, combined with a poor lens. The resolved detail may be high, but you always know that the pictures are taken with a smartphone. The S7/Edge pictures actually look a lot like DSLR pictures (especially Nikon) color-wise, you don't immediately know that they are taken with a smartphone. Find some Nikon DSLR samples and compare the colors.
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The right picture is actually an example of horrible dynamic range, maybe like 8 stops.
I have vast experience with cameras, including many DSLRs, and the S7/Edge is the first smartphone camera that does not exhibit the "small/bad lens" and low dynamic range effect, pictures actually look like what you see, instead of looking dark and with low dynamic range. What you see in the G4 pictures is actually low dynamic range of the sensor, combined with a poor lens. The resolved detail may be high, but you always know that the pictures are taken with a smartphone. The S7/Edge pictures actually look a lot like DSLR pictures (especially Nikon) color-wise, you don't immediately know that they are taken with a smartphone. Find some Nikon DSLR samples and compare the colors.
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I guess personally I couldn't disagree with you more.
I can personally guarantee that this color of the sky on the S7E is not the correct blue. I was there personally and shot these two pictures in auto mode. Both the wall and sky are far too bright and those are not the actual colors of the sky and monument.
But this is to taste. There are other shots where the clouds were completely eradicated by the Samsung and were there with the LG. And there were of course plenty of shots where the LG over exposed and the Samsung did it spot on! I'm not complaining about the shots. All I'm saying is that the LG is more accurate to real life colors in well lit situations, which is what I'd like to get on my Samsung. From what I've come to learn is that the LG has a color spectrometer or something like that which really makes a difference in some shots.
Going to back to what you said, the colors are lighter on my Samsung devices (3 S7E in my house) than on the LG devices (2 retires G4 s and 1 returned G5 and a new one on the way). Nothing wrong with it, it's just not my favorite color representation... [emoji4] I love my S7E regardless!
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The first thing I noticed when using the camera on this phone was how the images looked over processed. Most notably, I did a digital zoom photo yesterday and the sharpening on it was disgusting. It didn't even look like a photo.
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See what I mean? All I did was zoom in and take a photo. It looks horrible.
Look at this picture for example
Even just zoomed in a bit you can see way too much sharpening going on
Now I know this phone is a "budget phone" but it supposedly has the same lens as the Galaxy S7 so that isn't really an excuse. It looks like it comes down to it being the processing that moto put in.
Can anybody out there please let me know if rooting my phone and shooting RAW will produce cleaner photos? I would have to guess so, since I can control the sharpening myself. I haven't been able to find any RAW samples from this phone.
is it a software thing? I've converted to snap camera on whatever device.
I'm afraid it's in the firmware. Any camera app I've tried yields the same results
U should probably return or replace u your phone I had the same issue without even zooming
The phone couldn't focus on things right next the camera mine also had pink tints while recording
So I got mine replaced
Now everything works good
It's also the processor. The G5 plus has the 625 while the S7 had the 820 allowing for much better image processing.
nigaindelhi said:
U should probably return or replace u your phone I had the same issue without even zooming
The phone couldn't focus on things right next the camera mine also had pink tints while recording
So I got mine replaced
Now everything works good
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Well it focuses just fine, and pictures in day light look alright but there is some heavy noticeable processing going on in the moto firmware.
This picture looks pretty good but if you zoom in just a bit you can really see the over sharpening.
Here is a photo of my Nexus 5x
It looks much cleaner to me. Less over processing and less sharpening artifacts. The processor on the G5 Plus should be pretty comparable to the 808 in the N5x so I really don't think its a processor issue. It seems to me like it was a design choice by Moto. All of the sample photos I have seen also have too much sharpening. I am strongly considering just rooting the device and shooting raw. At least then I can control the sharpening myself
Well then we would have to wait for an update then
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It's also the processor. The G5 plus has the 625 while the S7 had the 820 allowing for much better image processing.
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It should make no difference, if you do the same processing in software - other than perhaps taking slightly longer to process the photo?
Otherwise, we'll have to shoot RAW if we want the best quality I guess?
It seems to me however, that any settings affecting the image processing quality should have parameters which could be changed?
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It should make no difference, if you do the same processing in software - other than perhaps taking slightly longer to process the photo?
Otherwise, we'll have to shoot RAW if we want the best quality I guess?
It seems to me however, that any settings affecting the image processing quality should have parameters which could be changed?
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The processor contains the ISP or the Image Signal Processor which controls HDR, white balance, auto focus, exposure, color filters and so on. The better the ISP the better the image. So while the 2 phones have the same sensor they will never have the same image results because they have different processors and the more powerful chips have better ISP on board resulting in better images even with the same sensor.
The strength of this camera's focusing is in the sensor chip - "dual pixel focus".
All the other things you mention such as white balance, HDR, color filters are applied after the RAW image is taken - so, there's really no reason that you couldn't generate the same quality of image.
if nothing else, I'm upgrading my everyday knock around (2015) moto e. I won't complain toooooo much.
I have to agree with the OP on this one - there is some horrendous post-processing going on with this phone.
I'd love to get that to stop - even if we have to go to RAW/DNG to get it.
Has anyone done the root/Freedcam method described in another thread on here and gotten DNGs from this camera?
I'd love to see how they look... I'll eventually do it when LOS gets stable enough.
wait couple of days more, there will be some nice mods incoming for g5p camera.
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I have to agree with the OP on this one - there is some horrendous post-processing going on with this phone.
I'd love to get that to stop - even if we have to go to RAW/DNG to get it.
Has anyone done the root/Freedcam method described in another thread on here and gotten DNGs from this camera?
I'd love to see how they look... I'll eventually do it when LOS gets stable enough.
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2017_05_09_17_44_53-Edit-Edit by defcomk, on Flickr
Raw No Flat Field Correction - Bad Noise Profile so color bleed when doing NR
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Raw No Flat Field Correction - Bad Noise Profile so color bleed when doing NR
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Looks like a promising photo to me!
I'm new around XDA... is will flat field correction and NR come with time, or is this the best we'll get?
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Looks like a promising photo to me!
I'm new around XDA... is will flat field correction and NR come with time, or is this the best we'll get?
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Probably before Friday its only day two of having the phone but thanks for reminding me gonna do flat field now light nice and diffused
I found 24 dead pixels on my Xperia XZP front camera photo.
(White and red, some are very dim but the others are bright enough.)
I've used many smartphones from different manufacturers and this is unbelievable.
Sony, do you even check the camera sensors before you put it in and seal the product?
What kind of quality control is this? For the 'Premium' product?
http://imgur.com/RYvFw0J
I just checked mine and I don't have any.
I agree that quality control "should" be better from all OEM's but sometimes a defective piece of hardware will sneak by. Use your warranty. Look on any forum for any phone and you will find complaints about some piece of hardware being bad from day one. I think all manufactured items have issues. It's just that there are not as many forums for everything else as there is for cell phones.
Then why didn't just simply replace it instead of whining here?
It doesn't matter how expensive something is, there WILL be lemons and nothing can be 100% perfection.
Tons of high-end monitors costing 7-900 euros can come with dead-pixels. It's just the nature of how displays are made.
Also, if you really believe they are able to check literally every phone you're delusional.
No problems on mine.
I'm going through the replacement process which is very exhausting, I don't know why you think I'm just whining here keeping this cursed product unit.
I know manufacturing can't be perfect and if it was 1 or 2 dead pixels, I would quietly do what I need to do as you like it.
But when it is 10~20 dead pixels on a single product I think it is insane. And it is not only me in my area.
Then I think it is something enough to talk about.
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Then why didn't just simply replace it instead of whining here?
It doesn't matter how expensive something is, there WILL be lemons and nothing can be 100% perfection.
Tons of high-end monitors costing 7-900 euros can come with dead-pixels. It's just the nature of how displays are made.
Also, if you really believe they are able to check literally every phone you're delusional.
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I'm going through the replacement process which is very exhausting, I don't know why you think I'm just whining here keeping this cursed product unit.
I know manufacturing can't be perfect and if it was 1 or 2 dead pixels, I would quietly do what I need to do as you like it.
But when it is 10~20 dead pixels on a single product I think it is insane. And it is not only me in my area.
Then I think it is something enough to talk about.
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You just wanted to shout and be angry because you got a lemon.
Just deal with it like literally everyone else.
Can´t find any dead Pixel on my new XZP. But found one on my Samsung LCD...
Unforunately i have been victim to this as well. Im on my 2nd xperia xz premium which had a stuck pixel on both and the front sensor having numerous dead pixels im going for a third and may just stick with whatevers best and warranty through sony. best buy has been cooperative.
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I found 24 dead pixels on my Xperia XZP front camera photo.
(White and red, some are very dim but the others are bright enough.)
I've used many smartphones from different manufacturers and this is unbelievable.
Sony, do you even check the camera sensors before you put it in and seal the product?
What kind of quality control is this? For the 'Premium' product?
http://imgur.com/RYvFw0J
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i am now on my 3rd exchanged Xperia XZ Premium and can confirm while my screen and rear camera are perfect I still have dead pixels in the front camera sensor. If this is indeed the same front camera sensor as on my X Performance.. On that same X Performance I dont have any dead pixels that i can notice. (Red and white pixels scattered around on a dark picture) however i cant make them out in a real world photo.
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I hate you thanks for making me test mine and realize, multiple on the front also, back may have 1 but might of been dust.
front --> all over
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DO these dead pixels affect the pictures being taken? If not then why are we taking pictures of black paper? Stupid.
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DO these dead pixels affect the pictures being taken? If not then why are we taking pictures of black paper? Stupid.
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yes they can effect pictures taken. when under the right ISO level they can be really visable. most of the time though, no you wont notice them. since I just have them on the front camera which I never use I'm not too worried about it but for $800+ you expect fewer then this. if I had them on the back sensor like the front, I definitely would return, but from what I just read returning them for the front seems useless as they all seem to have it bad.
I put in a order for a chrome version, if that has less I'm returning the black one.
EDIT: Returned my deepsea black for Chrome and same results, bunch on the front none on the back. the chrome seems to have less which is a good thing I guess.
How do you test for dead pixels on camera sensors?
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+1 how do guys test for dead pixels?