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Nexus 6 vs The Competition

Great article on AA showing the differences between the Nexus 6 and other devices in the phablet category.
To sum it up:
- The Nexus 6 has a great display to body ratio. It's only (slightly) beat by the LG G3 and Huawei Ascend Mate 7.
- The Nexus 6, as you probably know by now, has the top-of-the-line specs. Nothing really compares with it except the Note 4, which has similar specs.
- The Nexus 6 is slightly bigger than the Note 4 (Differences in mm: 5.8 x 4.4 x 1.5) but manages to fit in a display that is .26 inches larger and front facing stereo speakers.
I would probably say that the Nexus 6's biggest competitor is the OnePlus One. It offers high-end specs, not quite as high-end as the Note 4 but the differences are negligible. Granted, the Nexus 6 has a more premium build (in my opinion), OIS and is launching with Android L as opposed to waiting more than three months until the OnePlus One receives the L update. Furthermore, the Nexus 6 is going to be on more carriers, will probably have much better customer service, is easily available (once it's actually released) and hopefully won't be riddled with the bugs.
However, the Nexus 6 is twice as much as the OPO - $350 as opposed to $700 for the same amount of storage. Money talks...
Now the real question: The other flagships that are being compared to the Nexus 6 all offer something additional. For example, the Note 4 has an SPen and the Mate 7 also has a fingerprint sensor. The LG G3 and Note 4 both have removable battery, microsd support and multi-window modes. Are you willing to compromise these extra features to have stock android?
Source: AndroidAuthority

No fingerprint scanner is a bummer. I use corporate email on my Nexus 5 and the compliance software makes me have a lockscreen password which is a PITA. No patterns are allowed. iPhone 6 and 5S users can use the fingerprint scanner to bypass the password.

I'm considering the N6 as an upgrade from my much beloved N5, but there's two things that I need to see from the N6 before making the purchase.
#1- The amoled display. Recent offerings from Motorola have had 'middle of the road' amoled screens when compared to Samsung's recent amoled displays (Comparing the Moto X 2014 to a SGS5 or Note 4). If that big amoled is sub-par, I will pass.
#2- The camera. Again, this is the track record of the Nexus line having a less than favorable camera when compared to competing phones. I'm also not sold on the dual ring led flash right around the sensor (it creates red eye if you are shooting people - seen on the Moto X 2014)
What's weird is that when compared to the Note 4 $100 more out of pocket ($649 for 32gb N6 and $749 for 32gb Note 4 - basing pricing from T-Mobile) really does get you quite a bit more.
(Perhaps) better display (more color accurate/brighter)
Better camera (16mp vs 13mp) and better ff (2.0mp vs 3.7mp) camera - I know, it's not all about the mp, but the Note 4's camera has received a lot of praise for shooting in all lighting conditions
S Pen
MicroSD/removable battery (extends device life)
IR blaster
Fingerprint scanner
The decision isn't as easy as it was with getting the N5. It's not the size, it's the price. I just can't stand Samsung and Touchwiz, and with the N6 getting Wifi Calling for T-Mobile... Ugh. If the display and or the camera turn out to be disappointing perhaps I will sit this round and wait for the first 64 bit nexus phone next year.

Poor Graphics on Nexus 6?
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?

Far_SighT said:
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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All appleinsider did there was read a benchmark result
Turns out from the note 4 reviews that it handles games beautifully

italia0101 said:
All appleinsider did there was read a benchmark result
Turns out from the note 4 reviews that it handles games beautifully
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Can you please add any benchmarks (FPS preferably) that corroborate this (I mean 30 fps is beautiful, but 50+ fps is what I would expect from a flagship)?

Far_SighT said:
Can you please add any benchmarks (FPS preferably) that corroborate this (I mean 30 fps is beautiful, but 50+ fps is what I would expect from a flagship)?
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Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it

italia0101 said:
Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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Thanks! I will wait for a more thorough review when Nexus 6 comes out. I will probably get a Nexus 9 now as I don't have any tablet, and the 192 core kepler is built for graphics!

italia0101 said:
Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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Note the difference in display resolution. If you've ever done PC benchmarking, you'll know that plays a huge difference....

Luxferro said:
Note the difference in display resolution. If you've ever done PC benchmarking, you'll know that plays a huge difference....
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Without a doubt, that's why I thought I'd better list them, good thing a lot of Android games give us a resolution slider

Far_SighT said:
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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No Android phone can top the iPhone when it comes to gaming. That's the primary reason why I always have an iPhone as well as Android. Playing the same game on my iPhone 6 and my Nexus 5, they always look and run better on the iPhone. Take a benchmark game like MC5- on Android a lot of the effects are turned off and it still runs better on the iPhone. Even the 5s had better gaming/graphics performance than the N5. I'd imagine it'll be the same thing with the N6.
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Far_SighT said:
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.

Also note that the N6 camera sensor is NOT THE SAME as Moto X 2014 camera.
N6 camera sensor is IMX 214, source: http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
This is the same camera sensor as One Plus One, source: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...mx214-6-lenses-and-low-light-performance.456/
Moto X 2014 camera sensor is IMX 135, source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...MX135-sensor-and-more-daytime-samples_id60299
However, the Note 4 is using newer camera sensor IMX 240, source: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/08/21...es-16mp-side-touch-wide-selfie-and-much-more/
So, the Nexus 6 camera should perform better than the Moto X 2014, while it might not be as good as Note 4, from sensor model perspective.
Then the deciding factor would be the camera "software"

agroan05 said:
Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.
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Thanks. It seems N9 is the way to go for media consumption, considering it's GPU performance is the best available (afa i know). Besides, N6 price seems overkill to me. They could have stuck with 1080p. At 6 inches, I doubt anyone has the eyes to see the difference.

1080P 6in a foot away from your face, you may be able to tell. But I'd agree that the resolution is over kill. A silly decision. It's just a waste of performance and battery life to run quadHD.
I have committed to nexus for obvious reasons. There are things I get with the Nexus line I can't get anywhere else. I don't want a 6" phone. But it's the current nexus.
I'll wait for reviews to hit (mainly anandtech) and see if there are any glaring issues.
I love my nexus 5 so much I could use it for another year or until Ara hits. Only complaint is battery size.

_MetalHead_ said:
No Android phone can top the iPhone when it comes to gaming. That's the primary reason why I always have an iPhone as well as Android. Playing the same game on my iPhone 6 and my Nexus 5, they always look and run better on the iPhone. Take a benchmark game like MC5- on Android a lot of the effects are turned off and it still runs better on the iPhone. Even the 5s had better gaming/graphics performance than the N5. I'd imagine it'll be the same thing with the N6.
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agroan05 said:
Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.
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You can't compare GPU benchmarks done at much different resolutions. It has a huge difference on FPS.
To quote one of your links:
Once again, the Galaxy Note 4's GPU performance line up quite closely with what we expect from the Adreno 420. However, due to the higher 1440p resolution the performance improvements from the Adreno 420 are relatively small or none at all unless the application renders at 1080p.
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You can't say their SoC dominates the 805 unless you do an apples to apples comparison using the same resolution. If you want to say the iPhone 6 performs better, than X you can. But you should note differences in resolution.

msal said:
I would probably say that the Nexus 6's biggest competitor is the OnePlus One. It offers high-end specs, not quite as high-end as the Note 4 but the differences are negligible. Granted, the Nexus 6 has a more premium build (in my opinion), OIS and is launching with Android L as opposed to waiting more than three months until the OnePlus One receives the L update. Furthermore, the Nexus 6 is going to be on more carriers, will probably have much better customer service, is easily available (once it's actually released) and hopefully won't be riddled with the bugs.]
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I had the OnePlus One and the Moto X 2014, which is what the Nexus 6 design is based on.
The primary reason why I sold both of my OnePlus are:
-Design
-Signal/call quality.
The phone wasn't comfortable to use due to it's design. The signal quality simply wasn't as good. It take a while for me to drive to work and I tend to stream YouTube podcasts over LTE while driving, I didn't get very good LTE signal with the OPO so I had to use 3G most of the time, even then it wasn't as smooth experience as the Moto X 2013 and 2014.
The OnePlus is a great device for the money no doubt, but Motorola design is my favorite at this point, it's wasn't that much smaller than the OPO but it's so much more comfortable to hold and use. The OnePlus have this somewhat "sharp" edges and it wasn't comfortable in the pocket.
The Nexus 6 uses the same Sony sensor as the OPO, while some people didn't think highly of it, I personally got amazing results from it, especially if you know how to tune your shutter speed and ISO level. I love the 4K DCI recording on it too, which unfortunately will not be available on the Nexus 6.
Also you have to deal with yellow screen issue which I got, I had to put the phone under UV light to fix it, but it didn't completely remove it. And if you have issues and need to do an RMA, I heard the experience wasn't very good. Motorola have some complains too, but not the at the same level as OPO.
I like what OnePlus have to offer so I'll look forward to their next phone. But honestly, I already know that most likely it will also be based off whatever the next Oppo flagship phone is, except with corner cuts, and it's probably going to be very big with capacitive buttons, which is not for me. The Nexus 6 is too big for me too, but I'm mainly interested in it to use as a tablet and back up phone, not as my daily driver.

italia0101 said:
Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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The N4 and N6 are running over 50% of the iPhone at a huge increase in pixels pushed......
They need to show apples and apples. If they all ran at 1080 the N4 and N6 would run circles around the iPhone 6

Luxferro said:
You can't compare GPU benchmarks done at much different resolutions. It has a huge difference on FPS.
To quote one of your links:
You can't say their SoC dominates the 805 unless you do an apples to apples comparison using the same resolution. If you want to say the iPhone 6 performs better, than X you can. But you should note differences in resolution.
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Actually maybe half of those GPU benchmarks are "off screen". Which should remove any resolution handicap.
However, you are right. I discussed the SOC's themselves and then switched to device performance.
But the A8 is a serious chip. It competes with and possibly beats the 805 outright even when resolution is taken out of the equation.

No mention of Droid Turbo/Moto X Play?
This is looking like it will be the spec king of 2014.
Same specs as N6, but smaller screen (5.2), bigger battery (3900mah), and better camera (21mp)

X Compact discussion thread

X Compact is coming up on IFA 2016
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/768782671707148288/photo/1
I think the design is a bit more like Nokia Lumia. Not much info yet but leaking info. said 2700Mah, S650, 4.6" IPS, usb type-c, 3GB ram.
https://www.facebook.com/sonyhongkong/videos/10154558233497871/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mb7OhTrojg
Plus Sony FES Watch looks coming soon too.

They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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mele80 said:
They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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yup, Sony is over priced, they are always expensive. I would like to know any new features or quality improvement on camera. I won't get a new compact now but if the camera is great this time, I may get it next year when it become cheaper.
Another problem is s650 get used, not s820 so we'll not supported by AndroPlus Kernel again(we need donate a x compact for AndroPlus).

The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.

flopower1996 said:
The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.
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CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.

What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.

civicsr2cool said:
What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.
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My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.

TheEndHK said:
My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.
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It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.

civicsr2cool said:
It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/25/xperia-xz-and-xperia-x-compact-confirmed-on-sony-site/
The Sony Mobile Czech site has confirmed that the two handsets to launch at IFA next week will be called the Xperia XZ and Xperia X Compact. Looks like Sony has found a way to get the ‘Z’ branding back into its phones to denote the flagship device.
LOL .... X & Z = XZ

TheEndHK said:
CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.
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so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games

Superrman said:
so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games
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The XC prototype should be sd650 and retail ver still have chance to use sd820 but I think the whole idea is switch to a cheaper CPU and free up budget to get 3GB ram. Overall a fair trade. Some rumors claimed XC will use 4.6" FHD if that is ture together with s650 will got a big performace hit on gaming and probably battery life even worse than Z5c.
I think Sony MM memory management not optimized or MM really consumed more ram, or both. We can only debloat the rom and use greenify donated to free up more ram.
Gaming on 720P will use texture at a lower resolution.

Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh

uchosen said:
Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh
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Mid range and not so compact. In other news I bought my first iPhone yesterday and put my Sony up for sale.

Well, at least z5c will be even more cheaper... Kaz, who ever is a head of sony mobile needs to be shot to the sun with a cannon and a switch has to be done. I see vaio destiny for Sony mobile.

Anyone think Sony will price this mid-ranger at $300? Yeah, probably not but I hope to be proved wrong.

The XC is ****, jeez. How bad are they wanting to get their phones...

I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it

sheraro said:
I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slitly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.

sheraro said:
I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Both SD650 and SD810 only used 28nm HPM but SD650 replaced the big core from A57 to A72(and reduced to Hexcore) should improve hot issue and battery life but I don't expect as much improvement of SD820. SD810 GPU much faster bcoz SD650 gpu only identical to SD808 gpu.
I don't like the XC design, I think my Z1c and Z5c much better but the color on XC looks good.
Sony removed 4K recording from XC though we can enable 4K with root just like other X series's phones but we got to use 3rd apps to shoot 4K. Hence, the new 5-axis steadyshot is only available to FHD bcoz 3rd apps can't use it.
Official support from Sony is longer but I doubt we will get many support from XDA this time bcoz our CPU is different now and just can't port from XZ directly like we did on Z1c, Z3c and Z5c.
Correction:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-x-performance/how-to/root-how-to-enable-sonys-4k-video-t3406075
XC should be able to use official 4K sony app with root follow this method but not sure if the 5-axis steadyshot still work.

algiuz said:
Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.
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Yes. It's safe to say only 3GB ram and camera is better and others are downgraded. I would like to see how good of the new camera bcoz I don't satisfy with Z5c.
If they real improve the camera, I may switch to XC next year but really, I don't think worth to do it, sticking with Z5c and wait XC2 is a better choice for most of us.

Can we match the performance of the OP3T?

Why is the OP3T so much faster than the Pixel XL? Yeah, let's have this conversation.
Review after review (including XDA's own) has shown that the OnePlus 3T (and sometimes the OnePlus 3)outpaces the Pixel XL in synthetic benchmarks. Just have a look at this nice comparison put together by PhoneArena: [url]http://www.phonearena.com/phones/OnePlus-3T_id10313/benchmarks[/URL]
Aside from the BaseMark OS II benchmark, the Pixel and Pixel XL, despite having very similar hardware, are beaten in almost every performance-measuring test. If we have such similar hardware, why is this happening? Could it be the new F2FS file system on the OP3T? Or the faster CPU clocks? Maybe Oxygen OS? What about a different CPU governor? But why then does the older OP3 perform similarly?
Even the Moto Z outpaces the Pixel in storage benchmarks. This topic is investigated here. With a different filesystem and some software trickery, the Pixel's storage speed might be bolstered immensely.
Listen, the Pixel is a seriously fast phone. Coming from my Nexus 5X, it's night and day. It's easily the best phone I've ever used. Period. But I can't help wonder some of the questions above. Perhaps the real question is, can we get the Pixel to match the performance of the OP3T?

I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed

OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.

rohmbd said:
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.

A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong

How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?

rohmbd said:
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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JU57US said:
How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?
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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/21/oneplus-3t-review/
According to Engadget "It lasted 16 hours and seven minutes on Engadget's battery test, which involves looping an HD video with the screen set to 50 percent brightness until the device conks out. That's almost six hours more than the OnePlus 3's runtime, and two hours longer than the Google Pixel XL, which has a 3,450mAh bank."

Reuben_skelz92 said:
A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong
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LOL there is a phone called Google Pixel.
On topic though, yes I have seen that OP3T is significantly faster than the Pixel and Pixel XL both, I don't know how, but rather than incredibly fast app opening times I would rather take a phone which performs smooth consistently, for as long as a phone stays at/near 60 frames, the better. From all the videos I have watched I noticed that OP3's default animation scale is set to a much lower rate than the Pixel.

drmanhattan said:
What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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Really?
The original OP3's LCD screen was dimmer than the Pixel Xl and I thought the new OP3 had the same screen as the original?
Anyhow, if you want a brighter Pixel XL screen... then you might consider rooting and then installing ElementalX kernel + the High Brightness Widget mod.
This combo will get you the same extra high brightness as the Samsung Note 7's auto-brightness when the HBM gets activated.

I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light

drmanhattan said:
I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light
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Gross.
I think you're confusing a blown out contrast/black level with a properly calibrated contrast/black level as being "brighter".
Contrast ratio vs black level
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/contrast-ratio-vs-black-level#JZuzUY7MzQgEb0T6.97
Yeah, the Pixel is waaaay better in that picture.

No buddy the screen looks great to the naked eye. you don't understand how cameras work, It's hard to show simple brightness in a picture. The reason it looks that way in the image is that it's letting off so much light that my camera settings over expose the image, but due to my pixel not letting off as much light it showed up perfectly fine in the image. There fore proving my point that the OPO 3t gets brighter than the pixel . With that said, They are both gorgeous displays

iceman4357 said:
Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.
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I don't really think firing the extra pixels is the whole reason behind the staggering difference in performance. Definitely during gaming, but app loading times, file transfers, raw CPU horsepower (crunching numbers) hardly have anything to do with the resolution of the screen.

I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!

Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel

crowsnestitsupport said:
I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!
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Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
mdalexca said:
Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel
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Dope!

Alcolawl said:
Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
Dope!
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K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning

I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
Spoiler
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mdalexca said:
K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning
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You da man!
kkeith said:
I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
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Interesting.. And I was actually considering flashing DU soon. Or perhaps UberStock.

drmanhattan said:
I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed
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Curious, how does the smoothness/fluidity of the OP3T compare to the Pixel? I've used dozens of Android and iPhones over the last 7 years and never has an Android phone been so consistently smooth; it's legitimately iPhone smooth.

[VERSUS] LG G6 or OnePlus 5

Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?

dkimmortal said:
Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Better screen on g6 next to no bezzle on g6 them 2 things alone make the g6 better than op5 in my opinion

The only 3 things that op5 have better than LG it's fast updates , stock Android and the os it's faster. The rest the gym smocks op5

G6 24 month warranty! Love the IQ, very happy thus far.
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If you are concerned about the front camera on the LG G6, use the rear wide angle camera and easily take selfies! The LG G6 is one of the fastest SD 821 devices out there so compared to the One Plus 5 which use SD 835, You will save fractions of a second when using the faster One Plus 5, nothing major differences in performance! LG G6 is even better than the SD 835 or the Exynos specced Galaxy S8 due to the LG UX 6.0 being smoother than Samsung's software..

Well, this is ironic.
I have a G6 and my friend just got an OP5 so we compared a few things. I have a pretty good idea what the differences are.
Design: Of course this is subjective, depends what you prefer. The OP5 is thinner, but I like the G6 better. That's of course your preference, but once you go bezeless, it's hard to go back.
Battery: I'm actually getting great battery life on the G6, however, the OP5 is just better. The battery size is the same, but the 835 is more power efficient, the screen is 1080p instead of 2k, and Android 7.1 has more battery optimizations than 7.0. As well as less bloat running in the background.
Of course again, that depends on your usage. Speaking of display:
Screen: Both are gorgeous screens, 5.7 2k vs 5.5 1080p (and yes, the G6 is slightly smaller even with the bigger screen). Both are nice, and it's really your choice. The G6 screen is gorgeous, and LCD which is really one of the best. The OP5 screen is a nice dark amoled and has great colour. You won't be disappointed by either screen, it all depends on whether you really want the nicer denser screen, or of 1080p is nice enough, taking I told account battery savings.
Speed: Day to day usage, both phones are great. I really see no stutter or lags on either device, except for the occasional hiccup in an app. But that's the app more than the hardware.
That being said, the little things is where the OP5 flies. Unlocking it is nearly instant. The camera loads ridiculously quickly. And of course games load quicker. If the G6 could be rooted and some bloat deleted, it could probably do a bit better, but stock out of the box, the OP5 flies... unlike the G6.
Camera: I'm not a big photos guy, so I can only give you some simple experience with that. Both rear cameras are very similar quality wise. The OP5 gets the bokkeh effect, and the G6 has the wide lens. Again, kind of comes down to your preference. The front facing camera is better on the OP5. That's no competition. I assume LG could not fit a better camera on the small bezel. That being said, it's not a TERRIBLE camera. As long as you have some good light, you're fine. It's just low light that ruins things (like most cameras anyway)
Regardless, both phones are pretty awesome. They both do very well for day-to-day. They both look very nice as well. Although I'd give the "looks" advantage to the G6, especially since the OP5 looks just like the iphone7, which personally, I really don't like. But it doesn't mean its a bad look or anything, again, very subjective. The power though, goes to the OP5. Again, the G6 isn't bad by any means, but you can really tell which phone is more powerful when putting them side by side.
I tend to edge over to the G6. I feel it's a more no compromises approach. Despite being overall less powerful, it doesn't suffer in day to day, and looks great. The OP5 is definitely more of an enthusiast device, but I would pass on the looks.
So unless there is a specific reason to get one: like rooting, the front camera, the display tech (LCD vs amoled), the processor, etc. You'll be fine with either device.
Take a look at the pricing around you. I got the G6 from a carrier so I paid less up front, but overall the OP5 is a bit cheaper (at least here) so that's a consideration.
Good luck!

Leaning towards the op5
My LG G4 just died with the boot loop that's caused by the soldering problem admitted by LG themselves. Despite my phone still being under warranty, they've refused to fix it due to the phone being rooted. Luckily Amazon gave me a full refund regardless. Not happy with LG at all! I mean rooting is the whole point of owning an Android in the first place.
LG seems to be a better and cheaper phone here (maybe not so much in the battery department) but I'm weary of getting burned again by LG... Plus OP has better support and optimization. The battery life on the original firmware that LG G4 came with was absolutely appalling, 2.5h of screen on time. Smh...
Hope this helps in your decision.
I'm gonna carry on my research for another day or two I think.

I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.

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I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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Im actually expecting G6 to receive Project Treble support and 2 more android updates. Keep in mind G6 was released early this year with nougat (7), oem flagships usually support phones for 2 years, thus android 9 is not wishful thinking...pending support from qualcomm on 821 chip, but I'd imagine google will press qualcomm to maintain support as original pixels share same chip.

Should i buy a OP5 or LG G6?

Both phones are around 420€. G6 european version has no wireless charging and DAC. I can't decide which device to buy because I had G5 and it has many hardware problems like GPS, screen retention, camera focus problems and my power button is not functional (fingerprint scanner also doesn't work anymore). Does OP5 has some problems like this?
EDIT: what about the jelly effect on the OP? Anyone has it and it is annoying?
Thanks in advance

LG G6 has lower specs, not bad but the OP5 is better there. If you buy the OP5 you don't have IP68 or the new aspect ratio and screen. Both are incredible phones, but I recently change my V20 for the OP5. Why? Because the lack of support from LG, only trhee security patches in almost 6 months with that phone. Horrible, and I mean HORRIBLE front facing camera and the worst of all; screen retention. So far I'm more convinced with the OP5 than the V20. For me LG phones never again.

G6 doesn't have screen retention.
G6 screen is better than the one from 1+5. Surely under sunlight you will be able to use the screen on G6 as viewfinder while taking pictures outside. On 1+5, this will depend on how hard is the sunlight. Photos on G6 will surely be better than on 1+5. Another thing, your European G6 got official bootloader unlock. There are many VERY good developers on G6.
Otherwise, 1+5 is the fastest phone on the market and has the best developer community of all.
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Csetoue said:
G6 doesn't have screen retention.
G6 screen is better than the one from 1+5. Surely under sunlight you will be able to use the screen on G6 as viewfinder while taking pictures outside. On 1+5, this will depend on how hard is the sunlight. Photos on G6 will surely be better than on 1+5. Another thing, your European G6 got official bootloader unlock. There are many VERY good developers on G6.
Otherwise, 1+5 is the fastest phone on the market and has the best developer community of all.
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Yeah g5 has some good developers too but if you unlock the bootloader of g6 warranty will be void. OP5 you can still get warranty if you unlock your bootloader.

Ihad the same dilema, and in the end in went with op5. I dont regret a second

I had the same dilema too, but the lg was too expensive, so i didnt think it a lot.
Processor: I had a snapdragon 821 with the OP3T, the 835 is way better, i mean in speed is almost the same, but you can see (mostly in games) that the 835 is not being as demanded as the 821, you get an amazing battery life doing anything, the phone does not throttle at all, the op3t throttle to 1,4Ghz and 1,2Ghz (big and little cores respectively) while gaming. The 835 stays cool all the time, im not exagerating, the phone is not even warm., maybe a little bit. I get much better battery with the op5 that has 100mah less than the 3t.
Camera: I'm not sure but i guess that the g6 is better, and the wide angle pictures are awesome, i prefer the wide angle rather than the setup on the op5. And the wide angle front camera is a nice feature too, i dont know about the quality of wide angle pictures.
Charging: Dash charge is awesome, as far as i know dash charge is better than quick charge (it doesnt heat).
Screen: The screen is better in the lg g6 (although i prefer 1080p displays), that huge screen and almost no bezzels are awesome, i love it. The screen on the g6 is HDR, i didnt read about it but you should check it out.
Battery: same 3300mah, but i guess that the lg g6 display will use more battery.
Support: Official support will be almost the same, but unofficial (community) it's way better on the op5.
I guess that's all. Sorry for my bad english!.

Wireless charging is terrible, never purchase a phone for that feature

Pro4TLZZ said:
Wireless charging is terrible, never purchase a phone for that feature
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Had wireless chargin on my nexus 4. Never looked back when I switched to oppo find7
Keeping same technology on my op5

i change my phone also because i had hardware problem on my LG (lg gpro 2013). did i change it because it was slow? no. because wifi/bt/cellular signals were very low. new digitizer was imprecise and notification light stop working.
G6 seems a good phone, the camera is amazing ( see gsmarena tests).
at the end, im looking for a durable phone because i hate the overconsumption trend right now. this is stupid ie go from op3t to op5. ( btw its not because of money, my job pay for it )

I own a LG G6 (64gig dual SIM DAC version) but I will be trading it in for a OP5 soon. Although the LG wide angle camera is great and the phone runs fine I'm missing root and the monthly updates that I got on my OP3.

Coming from OP3, I have tried LG G6. But I quickly switched back to OnePlus. I didn't like the feel of LG's fingerprint sensor, though the position on the back is quite handy. Battery life was so-so, overall speed good. Great screen, better than OP5. Picture quality of wide angle camera needs improvement. LG has no notification LED and not mute switch, for me very disappointing, and I didn't like the always-on-feature. Community is nothing (yet) like Oneplus, and in the end I'm quite happy now with my OP5, may trade it for the 128GB version though.

madconx said:
Ihad the same dilema, and in the end in went with op5. I dont regret a second
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+1

Was in the same dilemma as well and in the end I choose the OP5.
Sure G6 surly would be a good choice also but the locked bootloader (with warranty void - aka. need unlock code from LG) was a deal breaker for me.

I tried both and sold my lg g6. It was lagging in all games and not fast in gaming at all. Oneplus 5 to go.
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obol2 said:
Both phones are around 420€. G6 european version has no wireless charging and DAC. I can't decide which device to buy because I had G5 and it has many hardware problems like GPS, screen retention, camera focus problems and my power button is not functional (fingerprint scanner also doesn't work anymore). Does OP5 has some problems like this?
EDIT: what about the jelly effect on the OP? Anyone has it and it is annoying?
Thanks in advance
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Absolutely OP5. A much better phone (Camera, AMOLED, battery life, dash charge, oxygen OS, updates, Snapdragon 835...)
The jelly effect is unnoticeable.
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Csetoue said:
G6 doesn't have screen retention.
G6 screen is better than the one from 1+5. Surely under sunlight you will be able to use the screen on G6 as viewfinder while taking pictures outside. On 1+5, this will depend on how hard is the sunlight. Photos on G6 will surely be better than on 1+5. Another thing, your European G6 got official bootloader unlock. There are many VERY good developers on G6.
Otherwise, 1+5 is the fastest phone on the market and has the best developer community of all.
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Wrong. OnePlus' AMOLED surely look better.
And Camera (on good light) is also better.
And no phone has as much developers as OnePlus 5
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Migdilu said:
I had the same dilema too, but the lg was too expensive, so i didnt think it a lot.
Processor: I had a snapdragon 821 with the OP3T, the 835 is way better, i mean in speed is almost the same, but you can see (mostly in games) that the 835 is not being as demanded as the 821, you get an amazing battery life doing anything, the phone does not throttle at all, the op3t throttle to 1,4Ghz and 1,2Ghz (big and little cores respectively) while gaming. The 835 stays cool all the time, im not exagerating, the phone is not even warm., maybe a little bit. I get much better battery with the op5 that has 100mah less than the 3t.
Camera: I'm not sure but i guess that the g6 is better, and the wide angle pictures are awesome, i prefer the wide angle rather than the setup on the op5. And the wide angle front camera is a nice feature too, i dont know about the quality of wide angle pictures.
Charging: Dash charge is awesome, as far as i know dash charge is better than quick charge (it doesnt heat).
Screen: The screen is better in the lg g6 (although i prefer 1080p displays), that huge screen and almost no bezzels are awesome, i love it. The screen on the g6 is HDR, i didnt read about it but you should check it out.
Battery: same 3300mah, but i guess that the lg g6 display will use more battery.
Support: Official support will be almost the same, but unofficial (community) it's way better on the op5.
I guess that's all. Sorry for my bad english!.
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The OnePlus 5 camera is better on most situations. The G6 is better just for lowlight.
And OP5's AMOLED is better than G6's display.

itaibarzilai said:
Absolutely OP5. A much better phone (Camera, AMOLED, battery life, dash charge, oxygen OS, updates, Snapdragon 835...)
The jelly effect is unnoticeable.
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Wrong. OnePlus' AMOLED surely look better.
And Camera (on good light) is also better.
And no phone has as much developers as OnePlus 5
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The OnePlus 5 camera is better on most situations. The G6 is better just for lowlight.
And OP5's AMOLED is better than G6's display.
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"And OP5's AMOLED is better than G6's display." I doubt that

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"And OP5's AMOLED is better than G6's display." I doubt that
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Go ahead, compare side by side. That's what I did.

OP5 amoled is much worse than G6 LCD. Just look it under sunlight.
G6 is better than OP5 on camera, screen and loudspeaker. In all other things, OP5 is better.

Have had both handsets, and stayed with the OP5. Software, hardware is way better on op5... Camera Software is better on the G6, but Camera harware is worse, yes it has ois, but I never missed that.... Only the screen even is better then on the 5, its no amoled, but 18/9 looks awesome an reloution is also better.... Stay witht he 5, there is no real alternative at the moment when it comes to nearly stock android based devices....

I went from a galaxy s8 to the oneplus 5 (I needed dual sims ). The s8 is similar to the g6 in some ways. Personally I don't think I'll ever buy another LG because they have been so unreliable for so long. Every lg I owned had a defect or hardware failure of some kind. Nexus 4, 5 lg g2, my friend's g3 I replaced the motherboard for him because of overheating. G4 and g5 both have a lot of issues and that was after I already gave up on them.
The s8 did have a nicer screen but I was a pain to watch YouTube videosv in bed without accidentally pressing the edges and fast forwarding through it. I miss the waterproofing and SD card slot but I can get over that. The oneplus is definitely much faster and has slightly better battery life.
I miss wireless charging because I want to keep this one a long time and don't want to wear out the USB port.
The jelly scrolling I would never have noticed if I hadn't read about it online. Once I remembered and actually looked for it I could just barely see it but I can't imagine it bothering me.
I really don't have any major complaints so far.