Lets talk about the MicroSD first
Like everyone I love to have a phone with MicroSD feature. It makes it easier to swap between my phones as well as to transfer data to my PC. I myself won't mind spending lots of money on a fast microSD card but I have yet to find one that is both FAST and LARGE in capacity. On my Note 4, i'm using Sandisk Extreme and my fastest bench mark test was 70mb Read and 39 Write. Now these numbers are decent but In my opinion MicroSD cards are not keeping up with the speed of phones these days which is cause bottleneck issue and is one of the reasons behind all the lag that people complain about.
Now with the Universal Flash Storage (UFS) 2.0 which has 350Mb/s Read and 150Mb/s, you can rest assure it will not cause any lag from viewing pictures and videos as well as swapping from app to app. Not to mention you can always plug in your OTG cable with flash usb and do all your backups there titanium backup or simply copying your data there which is what i'm doing currently.
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Samsung has ultra fast 128GB UFS 2.0 ready for smartphones
As for the Battery,
While having a removable battery is a plus, from my personal experience I have yet to use it when I want too. I have extra battery and charger for my Note 4 but i always find my self plugging it in rather than taking the cover off and restart my phone. Now with all the new features to charge wirelessily and fastcharge 2.0, I don't think anyone would have any issue. Iphone users as well as other brands from nexus 5,6 and htc didn't complain about their battery then why should we when are ahead of the game in many ways?
With all the features we are getting on the GS6, I think i can easily sacrifice on these too.
I generally agree with you. But after 8 months or so my phone batteries are noticeably less able to hold a charge as much. My note 3 (loved that phone) went from 8-9 hours screen on time to not even 6 hours. Big difference. Changed the bettery and back to normal. This is what I want to be able to do especially if I keep the phone 2 years!
Most people are complaining about choice being taken away
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I generally agree with you. But after 8 months or so my phone batteries are noticeably less able to hold a charge as much. My note 3 (loved that phone) went from 8-9 hours screen on time to not even 6 hours. Big difference. Changed the bettery and back to normal. This is what I want to be able to do especially if I keep the phone 2 years!
Most people are complaining about choice being taken away
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Most batteries have a life cycle of 500 charges. But then having non removable back doesn't mean the battery is not replaceable. You can always heat up the back with air dryer and pull the back off and i'm sure you will see many people doing a tutorial on that but we have to wait and see if it easy to do so or hard.
There's just no good reason to remove microSD support and no real argument to support the decision. Literally every reason you mentioned for supporting the decision could have been done without microSD support being removed. It's that simple. Use of microSD was an -option- that nobody would have been forced to use. Removal of options is rarely a good thing, and this isn't one of those rare exceptions.
Lack of a removable battery has only two good sides in most any situation, and one of them was left out of the picture here. Non-removable battery brings two benefits, and two benefits only.
1. Unibody design (Usually means slimmer, which at this point, it's highly debatable whether or not that's even a good thing)
2. Waterproofing (Omitted)
Personally, the 128GB of (hopefully) UFS will be enough for me and I STILL disagree with the decision. Why? Again, removal of options is rarely a good thing, and this isn't one of those cases. I can take or leave the removable battery. Simple fact of the matter is that I havn't had nor used a device where I couldn't change the battery when I felt like it regardless of whether or not it being removable was part of a spec sheet or not. With that said, I'm not a daily battery swapper, so I certainly see why people are concerned there.
Regardless, what should have happened is that there should have been a 128GB UFS option WITH support for a microSD utilizing up to 128GBs, period. I suspect that their reasoning (other than the obvious incredibly mild cost savings) will be for the sake of trying to do the impossible and "fix stupid." By fixing stupid, I mean you'll always have people who won't be able to comprehend that all flash storage isn't just any ole flash storage, and will whine and complain that their $10 Wal-mart microSD isn't as fast as the on-board storage. Which will lead to them saying the device is slow when in actuality they're just too "slow" to realize what the issue is. While I understand the concept thanks to my personal field of expertise, I've already realized the truth in that matter:
When you try to fix stupid, you piss off smart, and stupid stays stupid; just in some other manner of being stupid.
And of course there's the greed aspect; wherein all of a sudden, a would-be 32GB buyer becomes a 64GB buyer and a 64GB buyer becomes a 128GB buyer due to the lack of a microSD slot.
For how I use my SD cards (and it seems that I'm far from alone in this), the speed makes no real difference at all. I keep my cards loaded up with my most commonly used FLAC files and rarely make any changes to them. On my S4 I see no difference in opening music or video files compared to the internal storage. Copying new files to the phone via USB is certainly slower on SD, but that's the only situation where the speed difference is even noticeable.
For the OS and apps, the built-in storage speed is the only way to fly, but having more onboard storage is always better for me, even if it's relatively slow SD added to 128GB of super fast UFS. I've used OTG and it's completely annoying and clunky having wires & USB drives hanging off the phone, and the OTG route isn't nearly as compact as carrying an extra MicroSD card (or three).
Battery is less of an issue for me in everyday use, but I travel a lot for work and having spare internal batteries means I can sit in airports and on planes without having to have an external device hanging off of my phone to keep it running. What if you are running low on battery AND the files you need are on OTG? I don't think you can do both at the same time, something that would never be a problem on a phone with SD and removable battery.
As I mentioned in another tread, I don't think the battery issue is a big deal any more just because those portable battery chargers are cheaper than an extra battery. I just put the phone in my pocket with one of those and I am charged up in no time. I haven't bought a spare battery since my SGS3 for this reason.
As far as the SD card does though, I HATE that it's gone. It's not even a space issue, it's a functionality issue. I think 64gig is more than enough for me. I haven't filled up my 64gig card. However, when I go from one phone to another, I just put my microsd card in and I'm done. If my phone breaks, gets wet, doesn't turn on any more... I didn't lose anything, my titanium backup is on my SD card, I pull that out and put it into my replacement phone, and I'm good to go.
The process now to get a new phone up and running is now much harder and the risk of losing everything if your phone breaks is much higher. Yes, yes... there is a cloud. But without unlimited data, I don't want to back up to my cloud... plus I don't want my pictures being uploaded to the cloud anyway.
Yathani said:
Lets talk about the MicroSD first
Like everyone I love to have a phone with MicroSD feature. It makes it easier to swap between my phones as well as to transfer data to my PC. I myself won't mind spending lots of money on a fast microSD card but I have yet to find one that is both FAST and LARGE in capacity. On my Note 4, i'm using Sandisk Extreme and my fastest bench mark test was 70mb Read and 39 Write. Now these numbers are decent but In my opinion MicroSD cards are not keeping up with the speed of phones these days which is cause bottleneck issue and is one of the reasons behind all the lag that people complain about.
Now with the Universal Flash Storage (UFS) 2.0 which has 350Mb/s Read and 150Mb/s, you can rest assure it will not cause any lag from viewing pictures and videos as well as swapping from app to app. Not to mention you can always plug in your OTG cable with flash usb and do all your backups there titanium backup or simply copying your data there which is what i'm doing currently.
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The entire basis for your argument is stupid.
External cards are mostly used for storing media files where speed is not a concern
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The entire basis for your argument is stupid.
External cards are mostly used for storing media files where speed is not a concern
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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No **** Sherlock!!
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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You are entitled to your opinion for sure but you are certainly not entitled to respect for that opinion...your arguments are without merit and though I wouldn't call them stupid simply out of politeness I am sure others would not be as polite.....
Fact is they could have kept the microsd and ufs.
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My Samsung Galaxy Nexus runs the sane nearly 3 1/2 years later, in terms of the battery, as it did on day 1. I've never had to replace the battery, and in my opinion, the whole "batteries degrade in less than a year" argument is a sham.
Also, let's face reality, the average consumer isn't a techno nerd on a phone forum or a tech blogger. The average person looks at the phones in their local carrier store and picks what they like (if they aren't already set on an iPhone of course). The S6 stands head and shoulders above the rest in terms of display, design, and the "edge". This phone will sell well, despite not having a removable back or SD card slot. 99% (yes...I made that up) of people out there aren't walking around with a spare battery in their pocket, or trying to carry 10,000 songs, and multi-gig videos on their phones.
If your phone were to suddenly die or break for some reason, good luck retrieving photos, videos, etc. from it. With a MicroSD storage, you can just remove it and be on your way.
I like to store movies and archive photos, videos, etc. and having expandable storage is extremely crucial. Would you buy a PC without a removable PSU or removable hard drives? Didn't think so.
The only logical explanation for Samsung to go this route, regardless of what's been touted in the news, is that they deliberately want a drop in sales and stocks and company image. Then the S7 will bring it back and they'll give the impression of it being a new breathtaking device for the people. Either that, or the S7 will be a flip phone.
I'm a Note user, and if the Note 5 goes this backwards route, then I will never consider Samsung as a brand again.
Well I think they would cut the SD card slot out mostly to save a few bucks and to get people to buy the larger versions of their phone. I do understand that if people move things like apps to their SD card they will miss the whole speed point of the phone. The only think I have ever put on my SD card are pictures and music... maybe a video now and then.... and if that moves any faster the music tempo will be off
I appreciate the fact that their new memory is much faster but people never do well with a feature being taken away.
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Well I think they would cut the SD card slot out mostly to save a few bucks and to get people to buy the larger versions of their phone. I do understand that if people move things like apps to their SD card they will miss the whole speed point of the phone. The only think I have ever put on my SD card are pictures and music... maybe a video now and then.... and if that moves any faster the music tempo will be off
I appreciate the fact that their new memory is much faster but people never do well with a feature being taken away.
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They could have done with a simple warning.
The point of the SD is that you can move all your media to it, leaving the faster internal storage free for apps
I think its more of a personal preference. I used to be a person that was so "pro-removable battery", but when I had my S5, I wasnt even changing my batteries as often. Now that I have a Z3, which has no removable battery, I don't even think about battery because the phone lasts long. I charge my battery every night before I sleep anyways and it lasts me through the day. So long as the S6 does the same I will be happy.
Well said
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If your phone were to suddenly die or break for some reason, good luck retrieving photos, videos, etc. from it. With a MicroSD storage, you can just remove it and be on your way.
I like to store movies and archive photos, videos, etc. and having expandable storage is extremely crucial. Would you buy a PC without a removable PSU or removable hard drives? Didn't think so.
The only logical explanation for Samsung to go this route, regardless of what's been touted in the news, is that they deliberately want a drop in sales and stocks and company image. Then the S7 will bring it back and they'll give the impression of it being a new breathtaking device for the people. Either that, or the S7 will be a flip phone.
I'm a Note user, and if the Note 5 goes this backwards route, then I will never consider Samsung as a brand again.
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Thats why you back up your stuff...its not wise to keep everything you own on a MicroSD, because it can crash and break just like internal memory can
smooth4lyfe said:
Thats why you back up your stuff...its not wise to keep everything you own on a MicroSD, because it can crash and break just like internal memory can
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You can backup and still have archives on your MicroSD for viewing.
And another instance, if you're on vacation and want to take many videos and photos with your device. You CAN with removable external storage. Backing up onto the cloud during vacations is not practical. Unless you're a millionaire with an endless cashflow for data. Look how much space a single 2 minute 4K video clip takes up. That'll fill up your entire device in no time. And then backing up gigs and gigs of data to the cloud? And then retrieving? Not practical. The cloud is not a compromise.
I am inclined to agree with the OP. The new nand is going to make the phone fly, and will help the phone capture great photos. I'm just finally glad they ditched the 16GB option. That should have disappeared with the S3.
I look forward to the head to head reviews with the M9. If the camera doesn't perform well, I'll most likely get the S6.
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You can backup and still have archives on your MicroSD for viewing.
And another instance, if you're on vacation and want to take many videos and photos with your device. You CAN with removable external storage. Backing up onto the cloud during vacations is not practical. Unless you're a millionaire with an endless cashflow for data. Look how much space a single 2 minute 4K video clip takes up. That'll fill up your entire device in no time. And then backing up gigs and gigs of data to the cloud? And then retrieving? Not practical. The cloud is not a compromise.
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Do you plan on taking many 4K videos?
I have 60GB of Dropbox free (from a Samsung promotion) and I save all my pics on there, its not that bad. The only con about using cloud storage is safety of files. If you make a Box Cloud account, you get 20GB free. You can also retrieve them anytime (so long as u have a data connection, which could be a con in some cases).
I do agree that having a MicroSD card is more convenient, but I don't see it as a major dealbreaker
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forgive me if this has been said before...
i have been having major battery issues on all roms. i have installed most of them and tried all the different radios etc..my battery life would drop about 15 percent in an hour in stand by mode, and would drain really fast if i used it at all....also the os would be very laggy, and i was JUST about to put it on craigslist then i decided to take all my pictures, cabs etc.. of my memory card, and format the whole thing. WOW what a difference, night and day, i am on the new 9.0 Elacancia ROM, and i am living it. runs perfect, i have not used my nexus one since i did this...NO lag what so ever, and my battery life is AMAZING now...im on the brand new radio listed in the radio section
so, if you have any of those issues, format your SD card..works wonders..again, sorry if this is already known. just thought i would share..
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trying to get mine to look like the evo 4g.
ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
ah yes.. and my buddy ken.. enter lame reply here..... ouche....... d ccheers
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
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Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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And the verdict is?
I have heard some people reporting improvements after reformatting their SDCard. Though anyone formatting their SDCard make sure you back up your damn Transformers movies so you don't loose them, no one here can give them back to you.
One other thing I have found that helps is install all your apps on the phone instead of the SDCard. For me that has improved the overall performance.
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not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
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sorry, but no lesson there...
love how some people talk down to other here...
samsamuel said:
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
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Thank you for that. Great info. i 100% agree. maybe you should give the guy above a "lesson"..
thanks!
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And the verdict is?
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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I've never had any issues with the Windows format tool. I think that works just as good.
Suggestion isn't completely wrong
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
again, believe what you want... proceed how you need to... but don't pretend like i don't have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about because that is just incorrect.... just let opinions be opinions and facts be facts... only internet tards confuse the 2... understand?
once again.. lesson learned.... class is dismissed
Moschdog said:
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
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well said!
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and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life...
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well..sorry..but it did....
class is back in session
ProjektFuze said:
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
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Ahh, the internet has spoken so it must be truth.
I can see battery use going down some by formatting a SD card. But it's not the formatting that would fix anything, it's removing all the installed apps from that SD card as a result of formatting. Especially any apps that periodically check things in the background and make reads/writes from the SD card. The more of these types of apps installed on a SD card and the more apps in general installed on a SD card being removed by formatting, the less battery draw from running those apps.
But do realize, as soon as you put all that stuff back on your right back to where you started.
dvigue said:
great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
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hmm battery life doesnt seem too diffrent but the music loads sooo much faster now!
Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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You can't compare app sizes on iPhones and Androids. iPhone app sizes can range from 5megs all the way up to 2 f'ing gigs.
Android apps have a limit of 50megs.
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, Mod Edit: Talk of Pirated Content, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled. I did have an iPhone 3GS 16gig a year ago and had 4 GPS apps, and I only used up about 8gigs.
You have have some real issues or an app hoarder if your 32gig iPhone is running out of space. (Unless you use it for music too)
But since you're having space issues still with a 32gig why have an iPhone at all? It has no expandable memory either. Rather weird you're bashing on the Nexus S with no expandable memory, yet you have an iPhone 4 32gig with no expandable memory and also having space issues.
Also btw, on Android, you can upload all your pics to picasa, and they are all accessible from the Gallery app at any time.
EDIT: I think this complaint about no microSD card is the worse microSD card complaint I've ever heard... comparing it to iPhone apps.... sigh.
remember that the 1gig of space for apps is not the 15 gigs of space as an SD card, so Fifa may be extremely large but the initial app is installed on "phone memory" and the extra is downloaded to "sd card"
The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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20-30 albums at hand ! I find even that too much. For me it would be 6-8 albums that I m currently listening to wanting to listen to. Thats more than enough for me for a month long period Then swap them
the missing microSD support does bother me quite a bit, as I'm a heavy user. (16 GB of MP3, 1.5GB of Apps, not counting my collection of 720 HD movies, now i can't have all of that after switching from SGS, due the space constrain)
but luckly having a true unlimited internet over 3G/HSUPA it's a little bit less of a worry, but i'd still prefer to have access to Removable storage.
So i started this topic in DEV http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885837
if they can unlock the USB to allow and mount external HDD & or USB memory sticks, then we'll be in good hands
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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NAND memory
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I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, jailbroken with TONS of pirated apps/games, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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I don't even use my iPod anymore. I only said that as an example, and I hate Apple and only have an iPod for testing and experience, not for personal use. For the Android, I've actually bought tons of apps. The refund period for the Android helps with making purchases too, too bad it's 15 minutes now though.
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16GB limit is probably the most limiting factor of the NS. That and the lack of a notification LED too.
NAND is supposed to be "lightning" fast but my experience with copying files to and from the NS is that it is way slower than an SD card. I know there are some tweaks out there to speed it up but still.
I wonder if the internal access for the CPU and apps is as slow; if so what is the advantage of NAND over SD?
Joe
I see no big issue with the amount of memory and lack of expansion. Your looking at a very small group of people that need more memory build in. 16gb is plenty for the majority of users.
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I'm using my iphone 4 for music but the nexus s is such a pleasure to use.There's always m spot or spotify for music
Shame about no sd though, was weird choice.
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I'm not sure why people keep creating these threads? We really don't care why you didn't buy a Nexus S. We did and we know all about your reason and it didn't bother us as much obviously.
Per forum rules, don't get XDA in trouble; please don't talk about pirating apps, games, or movies. Thank you, and enjoy the holidays!
i think i'm hitting my limit here.
not sure if i can last a few more months with this limitation... (keeping fingers crossed for the next best thing that runs on 1700+2100)
i'm using Dropbox (3 GB) to ease the pain
i'm using Fiabee (1 GB) <--- that's nothing, it's like a drop in a bucket
i'm using Subsonic (not very useful, as it still uses local storage to catch the songs)
i'm using mSpot (same as Subsonic, easier to use, no need for server)
I'm using Picasa (but is useless unless you have actual space to take pictures)
I'm also using pixelpipe (yet another media sync that catches stuff locally, which also consumes local space)
the only real solution i see is to be able to plug in an USB flash drive to the SNS, and play my medias from there.
unfortunately that is out of the question at the moment, as no one have been able to get it working yet via USB storage driver
The problem with both dropbox and fiabee is their download rate is not fast enough to make them a viable Streamer
not to mention, you can't even access the files until you have downloaded them, which also makes it pointless as you (me) have no free space left to receive the files anyways
It's not fun (a very tedious task), having to keep uninstalling a bunch of apps/games every time i want to check out another app/game, or deleting a whole bunch MP3s / Videos that you use often, only to have to download them again a few minutes later.
on the SGS the 2 GB space for Apps/Games + MKV, DIVX and other media support on the SGS was like a GOD sent, also the extra microSD support really opened up the phone to all kind of possibilities.
unfortunately the SGS has its own demons as well like dying internal SD, GPS issues, bad file system, etc, etc, just to name a few.
seems like currently i'm stuck between the sword & a rock
......... i'm slowly starting to regret getting the SNS:
- main issue limited space
- unable to natively do Video Call other phones like Nokia, LG, Samsung
- no gorilla glass (already got a deep scratch with a minor drop, the old SGS went through a lot of dips without a single scratch)
the only positive thing i like the SNS:
- 2.3 OS
- the phone actually works without dying internal SD issues
is this a common thing are many people running out of space with the nexus s? i thought there was ample room with this phone with the new internal storage. i'm confused.
AllGamer said:
i think i'm hitting my limit here.
not sure if i can last a few more months with this limitation... (keeping fingers crossed for the next best thing that runs on 1700+2100)
i'm using Dropbox (3 GB) to ease the pain
i'm using Fiabee (1 GB) <--- that's nothing, it's like a drop in a bucket
i'm using Subsonic (not very useful, as it still uses local storage to catch the songs)
i'm using mSpot (same as Subsonic, easier to use, no need for server)
I'm using Picasa (but is useless unless you have actual space to take pictures)
I'm also using pixelpipe (yet another media sync that catches stuff locally, which also consumes local space)
the only real solution i see is to be able to plug in an USB flash drive to the SNS, and play my medias from there.
unfortunately that is out of the question at the moment, as no one have been able to get it working yet via USB storage driver
The problem with both dropbox and fiabee is their download rate is not fast enough to make them a viable Streamer
not to mention, you can't even access the files until you have downloaded them, which also makes it pointless as you (me) have no free space left to receive the files anyways
It's not fun (a very tedious task), having to keep uninstalling a bunch of apps/games every time i want to check out another app/game, or deleting a whole bunch MP3s / Videos that you use often, only to have to download them again a few minutes later.
on the SGS the 2 GB space for Apps/Games + MKV, DIVX and other media support on the SGS was like a GOD sent, also the extra microSD support really opened up the phone to all kind of possibilities.
unfortunately the SGS has its own demons as well like dying internal SD, GPS issues, bad file system, etc, etc, just to name a few.
seems like currently i'm stuck between the sword & a rock
......... i'm slowly starting to regret getting the SNS:
- main issue limited space
- unable to natively do Video Call other phones like Nokia, LG, Samsung
- no gorilla glass (already got a deep scratch with a minor drop, the old SGS went through a lot of dips without a single scratch)
the only positive thing i like the SNS:
- 2.3 OS
- the phone actually works without dying internal SD issues
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looks like you have a lot of media that you use often. That should have been your number one concern when making your phone buying decision. 1gb for apps should be more than enough space but maybe im kidding myself. And if you needed a phone with more storage space for media there were/are plenty of options available. just sounds to me like you didnt do your research beforehand. IJS
RogerPodacter said:
is this a common thing are many people running out of space with the nexus s? i thought there was ample room with this phone with the new internal storage. i'm confused.
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it's just me
not every one is a heavy user like i am
lets just say the phone is replacing my laptop, and i'm trying to do everything i was able to do on my laptop on the phone (which it can)
but the problem is the limited space
if it had the microSD support like its counter part Galaxy S, then it would have been a breeze to just swap another microSD to access the files you want quickly
tarusdg said:
looks like you have a lot of media that you use often. That should have been your number one concern when making your phone buying decision. 1gb for apps should be more than enough space but maybe im kidding myself. And if you needed a phone with more storage space for media there were/are plenty of options available. just sounds to me like you didnt do your research beforehand. IJS
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Return it before the 30 days and buy yourself a phone with an sdcard slot. There is not much that can be done after it gets full.. hopefully 32gb will be enough
tarusdg said:
looks like you have a lot of media that you use often. That should have been your number one concern when making your phone buying decision. 1gb for apps should be more than enough space but maybe im kidding myself. And if you needed a phone with more storage space for media there were/are plenty of options available. just sounds to me like you didnt do your research beforehand. IJS
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not the case, i just though i could live with the limitation, but in the end it's not working out as planned.
still, i'll hang on to the SNS until a dual core with SAMOLED comes out, then i'll make my move.
this is the only Solid and stable Samsung phone so far, going back to a SGS Vibrant is like playing with fire
... I just needed to vent a little
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Use AudioGalaxy. I have 80gigs of music on my PC available for streaming to my NS. No caching needed.
My other suggestion, get a dedicated PMP.
-Nexus S
@AllGamer
Honestly, mate, I'd suggest returning/sending your Samsung Nexus S back if you still can. I've watched your post history over the last week or so and every other post seems to be a gripe about the Nexus S(like this one) or wishing that you had something from the Galaxy S lineup. Its clear that this phone is not a good fit for you and you should go back to your SGS device, whatever it may be.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar, call you out, or disrespect you or anything. I just think you'd be happier with a Vibrant or what have you. Different strokes for different folks.
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Use AudioGalaxy. I have 80gigs of music on my PC available for streaming to my NS. No caching needed.
My other suggestion, get a dedicated PMP.
-Nexus S
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Thanks for the tip. But do you know of anything similar that doesn't require your computer to be on?
nxt said:
Use AudioGalaxy. I have 80gigs of music on my PC available for streaming to my NS. No caching needed.
My other suggestion, get a dedicated PMP.
-Nexus S
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that's a good food for though, i'll try it out
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@AllGamer
Honestly, mate, I'd suggest returning/sending your Samsung Nexus S back if you still can. I've watched your post history over the last week or so and every other post seems to be a gripe about the Nexus S(like this one) or wishing that you had something from the Galaxy S lineup. Its clear that this phone is not a good fit for you and you should go back to your SGS device, whatever it may be.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar, call you out, or disrespect you or anything. I just think you'd be happier with a Vibrant or what have you. Different strokes for different folks.
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don't worry mate
all comments are welcome.
I did play with the idea of getting the the SGS vibrant SGH-T959, i might even trade my SGS i9000 for the SGH-T959
Currently i'm toying with the idea of converting the SGS i9000 to use the SGH-T959 radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908120
in the end if i can find some Software alternative, then perhaps i can go on a few more months longer and switch to the next best phone all together, assuming they will support 1700+2100
"i'm using mSpot (same as Subsonic, easier to use, no need for server)"
hey man,did you update mspot??? recently.
they do stream from server now,without downloading it on your phone.
all my mspot(xept covers/albumart folder) are empty even after playing 30 songs.
When did you sign up for Fiabee? They upgraded my account to 15 GB on new years for being "one of the first to try it" or something like that.
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not the case, i just though i could live with the limitation, but in the end it's not working out as planned.
still, i'll hang on to the SNS until a dual core with SAMOLED comes out, then i'll make my move.
this is the only Solid and stable Samsung phone so far, going back to a SGS Vibrant is like playing with fire
... I just needed to vent a little
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Cool, I can understand that.
AllGamer said:
it's just me
not every one is a heavy user like i am
lets just say the phone is replacing my laptop, and i'm trying to do everything i was able to do on my laptop on the phone (which it can)
but the problem is the limited space
if it had the microSD support like its counter part Galaxy S, then it would have been a breeze to just swap another microSD to access the files you want quickly
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yeah well.. then I'm sorry but you did a bad job @ requierement engineering for your new device ;-)
well anyway. you should get some decent $$ on ebay for the nexus
Well, you could get an android pmp like archos 43. Nice device with sd card, and can obviously download music. Its their new, smaller line. 2.1, but hey. Its a pmp.
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jazz145 said:
yeah well.. then I'm sorry but you did a bad job @ requierement engineering for your new device ;-)
well anyway. you should get some decent $$ on ebay for the nexus
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the Nexus S sells for a lot more here locally than on eBay
so i have no problem at all letting it go, but as i posted a few message above
the SNS is the most solid device so far released by Samsung, that being said
i find it very hard to find another phone with SAMOLED display that can beat the SNS, as the Vibrant is not very good else i've swapped the SNS for the SGS in a heart beat.
i still have another SGS here with me, but it's not compatible to 1700+2100
AllGamer said:
the Nexus S sells for a lot more here locally than on eBay
so i have no problem at all letting it go, but as i posted a few message above
the SNS is the most solid device so far released by Samsung, that being said
i find it very hard to find another phone with SAMOLED display that can beat the SNS, as the Vibrant is not very good else i've swapped the SNS for the SGS in a heart beat.
i still have another SGS here with me, but it's not compatible to 1700+2100
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All you can eat everything for $40 FTW!
Hi.
I just sold my S6 Edge 128Gb to get the S6 Edge+. I didnt use as much data as I thought I would. Im now even considering the 32GB version.
What version of the Plus do you have 32 or 64GB and especially those with 32GB has this been enough?
Cant decide.
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32gb, enough still 20gb free
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How much stuff do you carry around in your phone.?
I have a 32Gb G928F version - sim free and its fine, I wasn't prepared to spend an extra £70 on top of the £599 I paid for my S6 Edge + just for an extra 32Gb.
So i got a 64Gb sandisk, USB 3, OTG micro flash drive for £25
http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Ult...-11&keywords=sandisk+64gb+usb+3.0+flash+drive
So bottom line is how much music or films do you want to carry on your phone? if like me you store your stuff on the cloud or USB drive 32Gb is enough.
Got 64gb. Don't want to think if i will have enough space in future...
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Buy 64
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Depends on what you do with the phone. A lot of pictures? Music? Video's? I have enough with 32GB
And there's always the cloud
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I have a 32Gb G928F version - sim free and its fine, I wasn't prepared to spend an extra £70 on top of the £599 I paid for my S6 Edge + just for an extra 32Gb.
So i got a 64Gb sandisk, USB 3, OTG micro flash drive for £25
http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Ult...-11&keywords=sandisk+64gb+usb+3.0+flash+drive
So bottom line is how much music or films do you want to carry on your phone? if like me you store your stuff on the cloud or USB drive 32Gb is enough.
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all my pictures and videos go to onedrive and google pics so 32 gigs has been more than fine for me, i got my s6 edge plus almost 2 months ago and have over 20 gigs free space..
A Device which has unexpendable storage always sucks. You -32Gb lover guys- know that the one recovery backup is over 5 Gb even without much data on this phone? I mean there are good roms for s6 edge+ now and some guys -like us- are always switching their roms weekly even daily. Its not enough storage to get two or three backups on internal. There will be dozens of rom, can't even imagine that how much we will suffer because of the poor storage.
Not going to root
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A Device which has unexpendable storage always sucks. You -32Gb lover guys- know that the one recovery backup is over 5 Gb even without much data on this phone? I mean there are good roms for s6 edge+ now and some guys -like us- are always switching their roms weekly even daily. Its not enough storage to get two or three backups on internal. There will be dozens of rom, can't even imagine that how much we will suffer because of the poor storage.
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that would all be a big a big problem if i planned on rooting this phone ,
witch i don't so it's not a problem at least for me, plus the 6.0 marshmallow update is on the way so no need for a custom lollipop rom
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that would all be a big a big problem if i planned on rooting this phone ,
witch i don't so it's not a problem at least for me, plus the 6.0 marshmallow update is on the way so no need for a custom lollipop rom
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Yup, the rooting is nothing about the low storage trouble. You do root or not . It doesn't increase or decrease the device's storage. You have free internet to upload your stuffs to cloud perhaps we don't. So our stuffs always stay on internal storage which is not enough to hard users. If the guy love modifying and tweakking there will be a sick-trouble 32Gb Im sure.
I have an ipod which is the only device which will connect to the system in my car and keep my music separate so yeah it's enough for me. If I didn't use the ipod no it wouldn't be.
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With 15-20 4K videos @ 3-5 minutes long, 150+ photos, current ROMs, Gapps, previous 2 versions of ROMs and gapps, misc pdfs for work, installed apps, and random other documents and such, a few backups, I've never pulled over 20gb on a phone.
That's all relating to AOSP. Obviously TouchWiz is more filled, but it can be slimmed down a bit. Regardless.... USB-OTG exists for a reason as does the cloud. I don't hold music on my phone. It's why I have Spotify and Pandora. Realistically, there's no need for anything above 32gb. If you're concerned about backuos, move them elsewhere, upload them, or utilize USB-OTG.
It's not rocket science... not to mention cost to data ratio, you're better off spending less for a USB drive over the 32gb extra for another $100....
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Rauch said:
With 15-20 4K videos @ 3-5 minutes long, 150+ photos, current ROMs, Gapps, previous 2 versions of ROMs and gapps, misc pdfs for work, installed apps, and random other documents and such, a few backups, I've never pulled over 20gb on a phone.
That's all relating to AOSP. Obviously TouchWiz is more filled, but it can be slimmed down a bit. Regardless.... USB-OTG exists for a reason as does the cloud. I don't hold music on my phone. It's why I have Spotify and Pandora. Realistically, there's no need for anything above 32gb. If you're concerned about backuos, move them elsewhere, upload them, or utilize USB-OTG.
It's not rocket science... not to mention cost to data ratio, you're better off spending less for a USB drive over the 32gb extra for another $100....
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Hey. As I said before if a person is using the device heavily, its not enough. Im archiving my documents since 12 years. I don't use laptop or kind of device it causes keeping my everything in my pockets and there are lots of people as me. Over three thousand musics, dozens of movies, videos, apps, documents etc. Imagine..Yeah there is an otg tech on present days but there are some devices which have 256Gb internal storage aaaand 'micro sd card slot'. Woah.. So its not a rocket science as we saw. Build a device which has more storage capacity is not so hard at least a bloody sd slot. Everyone doesn't use devices as basicly as you are. Otg is not the healty solution while people are eating a tortilla on the moon.
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Hey. As I said before if a person is using the device heavily, its not enough. Im archiving my documents since 12 years. I don't use laptop or kind of device it causes keeping my everything in my pockets and there are lots of people as me. Over three thousand musics, dozens of movies, videos, apps, documents etc. Imagine..Yeah there is an otg tech on present days but there are some devices which have 256Gb internal storage aaaand 'micro sd card slot'. Woah.. So its not a rocket science as we saw. Build a device which has more storage capacity is not so hard at least a bloody sd slot. Everyone doesn't use devices as basicly as you are. Otg is not the healty solution while people are eating a tortilla on the moon.
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To assume I don't use my devices heavily is an understatement. I can't remember the last time I've seen my data usage sub 40gb. To keep movies on your phone is ridiculous. You watch then once or twice. No need to keep them. Not to mention alternatives like netflix and popcorn time... perhaps cell coverage and data plans differ out there, but I have no need to keep movies or music on my phone when it's all able to be streamed. can't f you choose to keep 12 years of documents and whatever else on your phone without a backup source like a pic or external hard drive, I just hope you never lose your phone or get it stolen.. or crush it... or anything to damage the internal memory. It's definitely not the smartest choice.
Nor do I have the desire to spend an extra 100+ on extra internal storage for a device I'll have no more than 6 months. That's just wasted money. The best options are cloud storage and USB-OTG. Welcome to present and future technology. And if you want to rely on a device for music storage,at least get yourself an iPod or something with a remotely decent audio Chipset
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Rauch said:
To assume I don't use my devices heavily is an understatement. I can't remember the last time I've seen my data usage sub 40gb. To keep movies on your phone is ridiculous. You watch then once or twice. No need to keep them. Not to mention alternatives like netflix and popcorn time... perhaps cell coverage and data plans differ out there, but I have no need to keep movies or music on my phone when it's all able to be streamed. can't f you choose to keep 12 years of documents and whatever else on your phone without a backup source like a pic or external hard drive, I just hope you never lose your phone or get it stolen.. or crush it... or anything to damage the internal memory. It's definitely not the smartest choice.
Nor do I have the desire to spend an extra 100+ on extra internal storage for a device I'll have no more than 6 months. That's just wasted money. The best options are cloud storage and USB-OTG. Welcome to present and future technology. And if you want to rely on a device for music storage,at least get yourself an iPod or something with a remotely decent audio Chipset
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Hey. I don't keep the movies and never watch twice, sometimes downloading generally transfering from other guy's devices with superbeam. I know the cloud tech and I have 2TB otg. I don't think that the ipod's sound quality is better than my devices' and no need to fourth device. Always search for new tweaks and mods to get higher and best sound quality due to that Im using android. Spotify, deezer and kind of apps are just useful to find new musics for me but I use qualified tunable music players. Whatever let the users decide for which storage capacity is useful for them. Thanks.
Konsstantine34 said:
A Device which has unexpendable storage always sucks. You -32Gb lover guys- know that the one recovery backup is over 5 Gb even without much data on this phone? I mean there are good roms for s6 edge+ now and some guys -like us- are always switching their roms weekly even daily. Its not enough storage to get two or three backups on internal. There will be dozens of rom, can't even imagine that how much we will suffer because of the poor storage.
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I've got a 1T flash drive I keep 3 back ups plus all my extra zips for mods,themes, kernels,Rom zips and whatnot. I keep one back up on my device and I've got 18g left on my 32g G928C.
32g is fine if you know how to manage the storage.
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I used to have my songs with me all the time when I had an iPhone. Just an old habit of an Apple ecosystem (iPhone, iPad, iPod, etc.). My song library was 30 to 40GB and I had it synced to all devices, plus some random movies or series to watch while traveling.
I hate cloud services, simply because I live in a country with poor connectivity... but I have to say that after sugarsync, spotify and using more podcasts, my ege+ with 32GB still have 14Gb free.
s6freak said:
I've got a 1T flash drive I keep 3 back ups plus all my extra zips for mods,themes, kernels,Rom zips and whatnot. I keep one back up on my device and I've got 18g left on my 32g G928C.
32g is fine if you know how to manage the storage.
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just lol sir. One rom 1.2 gb, my one backup is over 7gb. I have 5 games over 4gb, 2gb music and 5.7 gb apps. Managing the storage is not changing the one bad truth. Whatever I do my job with my other devices but love edge's gorgeus design mostly. Just warn the guys who thinks to buy 32gb model.
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just lol sir. One rom 1.2 gb, my one backup is over 7gb. I have 5 games over 4gb, 2gb music and 5.7 gb apps. Managing the storage is not changing the one bad truth. Whatever I do my job with my other devices but love edge's gorgeus design mostly. Just warn the guys who thinks to buy 32gb model.
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LOL no man I've got a one Terabyte flash drive for my device I'm not worried to much. But usually 32g is fine
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I've heard that Samsung have decided against this fantastic feature out the box, something that annoys me somewhat. They probably don't trust people will know what it is and will ruin their phones as a result or perhaps they're scared people will run a class 4 card and reduce the system to a crawl. Either way, it should be an option if you ask me, even if it doesn't happen by default and you have to go out of your way to enable. I'd like to encrypt my S7 Edge, but have a decent amount of storage at the same time. The idea of having my phone encrypted but someone simply being able to remove the SD card and view it's contents isn't appealing at all.
I'm wondering if Samsung don't end up offering it in a future update, if it's something that can be baked into a custom stock build. Root would be required of course, but that's something I intend to perform as soon as it becomes available, I don't care about the Knox flag. I'm in the UK for a start so Samsung Pay means jack to me. And I've only every had a single repair performed by Samsung, and they did it free of charge despite the knox flag being tripped.
If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
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If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
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Completely agree!
That was one thing I was counting on! I mean come on they want us to be able to transfer data more effectively... They have created apps that allow us to do that via phone to phone through Samsung or with 3rd party apps.
Let us do what we want with our phone! I was banking on this feature. If they are afraid people with crappy microSD cards will complain about speeds make it a user agreement before formatting the card that they must accept.
Warning formatting this card and allowing adoptable storage may slow down the device and Samsung is not held liable. Agree and format or Cancel..... Problem solved.
The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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If by macro you mean something like.... press one button to A) turn on television B) turn on DVD Player C) change to input 3
yes it does things like that.
can you root your phone and use Link2SD app?
I'm torn on it... what I don't understand is, why didn't they leave it to the user? could warn with a pop up pointing out the intended use and risk of data loss upon removal.
I actually don't know if it's something I'd use. I like to use my SD cards for data storage for things like pictures etc. now when my S7 comes in, i'll pop out my sd from my Note edge and put it in this one. there goes most of stuff moved over. you can't do this with the adoptable storage. I'd have to put all the pics onto my laptop, and move them back.
and yes... very sad with the IR blaster. not something I use often, but I love it when I do. it's sad to see it go. I liked using Peel because of the interactive tv guide which shows me what's playing, and I can just tune to that movie.
why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Samsung did this on purpose to see how many, if any would cry and be upset by removal of the IR Blaster. And develop the S8 according to the results.
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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yes, i have that. Love it.
You can encrypt the SD card so it will only work on the S7 (atleast I could on my S7 Edge). I hate the way the SD is used right now and I am with you on enabling Adoptable Storage in a dev option or lab setting somewhere.
You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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That depends on the SD card. The only source I saw quoting that 10x performance penalty in connection with adoptable storage was referring to Class 2 or 4 cards which guarantee a minimum of 2MB/s or 4MB/s. Also, those classes refer to the minimum guaranteed write speed. Most cards write much faster in general, but they must be able to guarantee a minimum write speed sustained under all conditions and so their class speed is a conservative figure and isn't necessarily descriptive of their average performance.
The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. Many UHS-I cards are rated for 95/90MB/s(r/w) which is close on the writes, but still lags a bit on the reads. In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90(r/w) that benches at 90/80(r/w) in a computer, but only 60/40(r/w) in the S7 Edge micro SD slot, so the SD slot may be the limiting factor here and the ratio might be more like 2.5x performance difference on writes. A few forum members have some UHS-II cards on order to test when they get the phones, but many sources are saying that the phones only support UHS-I which means the maximum performance on either reading or writing will be less than 100MB/s - possibly on par with the internal memory for writing, but still close to 3x slower on reads.
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(...)The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. (...) In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90 that benches at 90/80 in a computer, but only 60/40 in the S7 Edge micro SD slot
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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Oh, I agree that there is a big jump in performance with the internal storage of these phones, but you don't need to fabricate numbers to prove this (or write in ALL CAPS).
Which numbers show a 7x factor? Or even an 8.5x factor? Are you comparing read speeds to write speeds?
280 vs 60 is less than 5x for read.
99 vs 40 is around 2.5x for writes.
340 vs 60 is under 6x.
150 vs 40 is under 4x.
Where is the 7x? Or the 8.5x?
Granted, 2.5x for writes and 5x for reads on my S7 are still a big step, but you don't need to bias the argument by looking for the biggest number in a page of orange numbers and comparing it to the smallest number in a page of apple numbers.
Also, which benchmark are you using? It's starting to look like the A1 SD benchmark is hitting RAM cache that biases the results (and it even warns about this when you run the benchmark.)
Switching to Androbench gets new numbers that are a bit closer to what is being reported for the Note 5:
Using 64MB test files:
S7 Edge internal: 426/128 sequential read/write
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/66 seq r/w
Bumping it to 512MB test files to make sure the measurements aren't dominated by RAM caches:
S7 Edge internal: 427/153 seq r/w
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/70 seq r/w
Compare that to 92/83 for the Pro+ on a laptop SD card reader.
So we sit around a little over 5x slower on reads and around 2x slower on writes for these UHS-I U3 cards spec'd at 95/90 read/write.
Already found a way to enable adoptable storage without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65612993&postcount=41
Before you come down hard on Samsung let me post to you what Android Police has to say on the issue.
"Google discourages using adoptable storage if:
Your SD card slot is in an area where it may be regularly ejected (i.e., the SIM slot) and/or your phone has "sufficient" internal storage already, which is probably these days 32GB or more. Adoptable storage is apparently intended as a feature for phones with very limited internal storage and for stationary, IoT types of devices.
LG has done the same, and does not have adoptable storage on the G5."