Z2 tablet impressions, coming from a XOOM - Xperia Z2 Tablet General

someone on another forum asked me how i've been liking the Z2 tablet. my reply turned into a mini review, so i thought i'd cross post it here for others.
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i have the Verizon 4G edition of the Z2 tablet (SGP561). i use it both around the house and at Starbucks for general internet surfing, and it docks in my Jeep as a complete replacement for my head unit (you can read about that here if interested...). once in a while i use it to remote-desktop/VNC/SSH into a server for work, but it's mainly a toy and my carputer.
a first gen Motorola XOOM 4G Verizon edition was previously fulfilling this same role. it had been through nearly every ROMs, from factory to the latest bigpart stuff. I currently also have a LG G2 phone, an iPad4, and occasionally mess with my GF's LG G-Pad 8.3 Verizon edition tablet. i've also previously owned a Galaxy Tab 7.0, an iPhone 3G, an iPad3, and 4 different Motorola Android phones.
i LOVE the Sony tablet! part of my excitement with it is surely because i held on to the XOOM so long that it had become a relic - therfore i was bound to be impressed on anything with more current hardware. however, there's no arguing that the Xperia line has premium specs. i love the lightness and extreme thinness (again especially since the XOOM was a tank), though after seeing the new iPhone's bend-gate stuff i'm always careful how i grab it when carrying it around the house. the extra width of the surround works well for holding the thing IMO. sure, tight edge screens are sexy, but having some margin is more practical.
mine is still on 4.4.2 with root, NUT's dual recovery, the write-to-sdcard fix, and i'm running the Xposed framework and several modules without any issue (mainly Gravitybox and Appsettings). i've had zero problems with the software or the 4G connection. the 3G/4G radio functionality was spotty on the XOOM with the later aftermarket ROMs, so that is a welcome change too. unfortunately Verizon is one of the few editions of the Xperias with a locked bootloader and no exploit for that currently. the other editions (even most branded ones) have an official Sony unlock procedure and they have open-sourced the ROM as well. Android 4.4.4 is out for mine, but not 100% sure on keeping root. Lollipop (5.0) is promised by Sony, but not necessarily by Verizon.
i don't really play games, so i can't comment on any extreme graphics performance. i will say that every live wallpaper and mapping app i have tried has performed smoothly (oh and MX Player and PS Touch). i use Nova Launcher, but the default Sony launcher isn't bad at all - i just wanted a few extra controls. their UI overlay is super clean and simple, way less intrusive than the newer Samsung tablets that i've played with (not that TouchWiz is bad, i just prefer a more stock Android feel). there is a setting for color temperature of the screen, i cooled it off a little from the factory setting but overall the screen richness/contrast/brightness is nice.
battery life is good around the house for a few days with WiFi on, and great with "Stamina" mode turned on. i don't know what all Stamina mode does except kill WiFi when the screen goes off and "limit hardware power" (i assume take the processor speed and maybe GPU speed down a few notches) - again since i'm not a gamer i don't notice any issues with it enabled. i've not done any kernel or build.prop tweaks.
sound from the speakers has good separation and loudness but no bass. GPS accuracy and lock-on time is fine, but i've never had any issues with that feature on any 3G/4G tablets. i haven't played with the cameras at all. the ambient light sensor is more sensitive than the XOOM by quite a bit, it has a wider range and seems to detect more subtle changes (i'm using the app Lux Auto Brightness for screen auto brightness so i can have a different profile automatically for day versus night when in the Jeep).
i'm running a 64GB MicroSD card right now, but intend to get a 128GB eventually (which is officially supported). the stock ROM does recognize ext4 partitioning on the sdcard, not sure about NTFS. the 32GB internal memory is adequate, though i have no idea why any major brand is still selling devices with only 16GB. i tested a couple different USB OTG cables and they both worked fine with multiple flash drives (exFat and ext4 formatted).
i have used the Z2 with a Belkin Miracast wireless video device, but was not impressed with Miracast/WiDi. it works fine to stream the basic UI interactions from the tablet with very minor lag. however, trying to simultaneously connect to a 2.4Ghz or 5GHz local WiFi network was a fiasco. i updated the Belkin firmware, tried different settings on it, tried every channel on my router, and eventually gave up. the local WiFi connection always became impossibly slow when also connected to the Belkin Miracast device.
i have used a Cable Matters MHL adapter (http://amzn.to/1uyDosP) to get wired HDMI output. it worked perfectly with both my older Toshiba and a Vizio flatscreen TVs - i was able to use the built in Sony TV-Out controls that come up when MHL is connected to adjust the output area. setting it to 110% or 120% would crop the top & bottom, thereby getting rid of the black bars on the sides so that a movie could fill the TV. my Optoma PK320 projector did have an issue with the native resolution of the tablet though, it would kept loosing the signal and going all blue. there are several ways to alter the output resolution (at least 2 resolution changer apps, a terminal command, or a hidden service menu option) - changing to 1920x1080 at 30HZ through any of these methods fixed the issue with the projector. i ended up using a Tasker profile to send the correct terminal commands which change the resolution only while MHL is connected.
i'd say the only slight complaint i've had with the actual tablet is that the connection to my bluetooth audio receiver in the Jeep takes maybe 3 to 4 seconds. it seems to connect at the basic hardware level quickly, but the toast msg that "AptX Device Connected" takes a couple extra seconds to popup and then it's starts streaming the sound. i can live with that small hiccup though as the sound is indeed slightly more full than the non-AptX XOOM was even when connected to my newer stereo install.

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[Q] ASUS VivoTab Smart vs Samsung Nexus 10?

I've owned a Nexus 10 since launch, and I find it to be a pretty awesome device. I however don't use the tablet too much due to me not really... needing to I guess. There are some things I'd find it useful for doing, but they aren't really too feasible on Android, for me anyway (remote controlled gaming, Eclipse development, gaming).
Thinking about trading for a VivoTab Smart. The thought of a Windows-based tablet sounds pretty interesting (Windows is my main OS of choice). The OS itself I don't feel would be restrictive (I don't have an issue with Windows 8; use it on my Desktop currently), but I do wonder about the hardware itself. I don't plan on viewing HD video content or any serious native gaming, but I'd love to be able to just browse the web, listen to music, and do some light gaming.
I'll get to try one out tomorrow given that the Staples I'm going to still has it on display, but I was curious on some more feedback. I like my Nexus 10's hardware, but I mainly wonder how a VivoTab Smart holds against it. One concern I had was speaker-quality. Another concern was overall latency and response time.
I have nexus 7 and I bought Lenovo lynx k3011. All this category with atom 2760 are actually identical (no difference at all). So I preferred it because was the chiepest by far in my country and because have 11.6 screen. I advice you to buy one with bigger screen. It really helps for non metro application. I really like the tablet. Serving the net with new metro internet explorer is the best experience for me now.. Only problem it doesn't have folders for favorites.. If you have many favorites... Like a beta situation here.. But it is blazing fast and user friendly. You feel like it is core i5 or something .. And then install Firefox and it is slow... But trust me.. you won't use Firefox here.
The other BIG problem, when you shut down screen, tablet go to sleep. If you downloading eg utorrent, download stops.. It uses connecting standby to save battery but you can't disable it.. Another beta situation here too.. But in most things much better than android tablet.. If it was faster, better resolution screen, and didn't have those 2 problems without get heavier it would be the best ever..
Connected standy cutting downloads being a beta issue??? I would have thought it bloody obvious that you put your device to sleep and downloads suspend, that's the way windows always have been. Why would 8 be any different?
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Connected standy cutting downloads being a beta issue??? I would have thought it bloody obvious that you put your device to sleep and downloads suspend, that's the way windows always have been. Why would 8 be any different?
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So all the users which complains to forum that they have to let screen on and cover the screen eg with a book just to not see the light of screen , just to download a file you think that agree with you?
Even windows update stops when screen shut down. If this is fine with you I am sure you are alone..
And no, this is NOT happening to previous os. This is not happening even to win 8. This is happening only with clovertrail which uses connecting standby. To all other cpu you have the option to have screen of and pc work. Here even if you select this to os, it won't work. Clovertrail will bypass every setting you have done and sleep the cpu. It is absolutely beta situation. And it will change in future. If you don't understand you better don't post with this attitude..
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I've had the Vivotab smart for about a month now. It really is a very nice tablet, light, quick, and the Windows 8 touch gestures are easy to get used to. I am hardly using my Android tablets anymore, and I do like Android. The Vivotab just works so well. Sound is an issue, the speakers are low volume. Bought a Bluetooth speaker for $20, problem solved. Overall it's by far the best tablet I've owned.
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@sosimple: I think you're confused. The downloads and such stop when the device enters Standby. That's nothing new at all; all versions of Windows have done that. The problem is that on some machines, it's no longer possible to turn off the screen *without* entering Standby. That's a throwback to the days before ACPI, when screen savers were necessary just to keep the display from suffering burn-in because the PC couldn't turn the display off without powering down. I don't understand why this regression is happening in some modern systems, but it seems that it is.
Connected Standby supposedly solves the problem by allowing downloads to continue while the system (including screen) is otherwise asleep, but as you noted, a lot of software doesn't use Connected Standby at this time, and therefore gets suspended when the device enters that state. That's a pain in the ass, but don't confuse it for the inability to download things while the screen is off; that's a different problem.
I got the chance to try out some touchscreen devices at Staple today, sadly none that were actually just a tablet like the VivoTab...
My main concern still is pretty much touch latency. A big interest in a Windows x86 tablet is mostly to play a game called osu! with the touchscreen, so any touch latency would have to be very low for the best experience.
I've tried a few AIO computers with touch and noticed they had very little latency at all, had decent accuracy with osu!. Tried some random Samsung laptop that had touch and felt a bit of latency (not sure if it was the touchscreen itself having the latency, or maybe the graphics chip couldn't handle native resolution).
Would love if someone could give it a try and let me know how it goes, or any non-immersive game for that matter.
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@sosimple: I think you're confused. The downloads and such stop when the device enters Standby. That's nothing new at all; all versions of Windows have done that. The problem is that on some machines, it's no longer possible to turn off the screen *without* entering Standby. That's a throwback to the days before ACPI, when screen savers were necessary just to keep the display from suffering burn-in because the PC couldn't turn the display off without powering down. I don't understand why this regression is happening in some modern systems, but it seems that it is.
Connected Standby supposedly solves the problem by allowing downloads to continue while the system (including screen) is otherwise asleep, but as you noted, a lot of software doesn't use Connected Standby at this time, and therefore gets suspended when the device enters that state. That's a pain in the ass, but don't confuse it for the inability to download things while the screen is off; that's a different problem.
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I am not confused. Perhaps haven't write it well because my English is not my native language. It is not "some machines". If you searce you will see that its all the machines with clovertrail because its the only cpu supporting connecting standby. Connecting standby support only application which use it.. Practically 0 .. All other "legacy" applications just stop work when screen goes off, and you cannot do anything for that.. If this isn't beta situation, I don't know what is.. Just a setting for not using connecting standby when you don't want to would solve the problem. Now we try with scripts, patch, drivers to see the os in boot , etc just to do this..
Ah... perhaps Clover Trail for some reason only supports crippled power management modes. That's bizarre, but given how many other things are messed up with that chip, I can believe it. That thing is a trap; the only reason I would ever buy one would be to try and bypass its stupid limitations (can only boot Windows? REALLY?).
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Ah... perhaps Clover Trail for some reason only supports crippled power management modes. That's bizarre, but given how many other things are messed up with that chip, I can believe it. That thing is a trap; the only reason I would ever buy one would be to try and bypass its stupid limitations (can only boot Windows? REALLY?).
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You are right.. Clovertrail is the only "dark" thing. But it is not just the cpu. It is the combination clovertrail/win8. If win 8 used him with a bit different way things would be best.. The os has choices for not go to sleep when screen goes off. Guess what? It doesn't work only to clovertrail, and no one inform you for that.. On the other hand cpu is very battery friendly, and helps creating lightweight, fast (in most everyday things), cheap , tablets, without fan and heat.. Take it or leave it.. Also doesn't support android, even with emulator eg bluestack. I found a hack to work bluestack but is really slow in this cpu. Not useful even for android Facebook app..
So your saying I can't have the screen itself set to power off after a set amount of time, but keep the entire system active?
This right here is what I'm talking about:
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Nothing to do with standby, sleep, or system state. Just the display itself.
Also can anyone give some feedback about touch latency?
Bump.
I'd still be very interested if a VivoTab Smart owner would be willing to download osu! and try it out. You don't have to register or anything (there's a tutorial song included) and it's free.
I need the game to be running in fullscreen at 1366x768 (or whatever native resolution is), with all settings enabled except soften filter (last option), and the FPS counter being displayed. Set Unlimited FPS as well (it should be 120 FPS by default).
From there, hit Play, Solo, then start the tutorial song. And from there, after like 5 seconds or so after the tutorial begins, tell me the FPS.
And if you want, an actual song with video would be another good test. Here's a link to PSY - Gangnam Style (click "download the map", run the .osz file and then osu! should automatically pickup on it and import it to your library). Pick any difficulty that isn't Taiko, and list the FPS, and see if you notice any large drops in framerate after a while.
And if you like the game and want more beatmaps, you can register an account here and then search and download other beatmaps for free
Would greatly appreciate any reports
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So your saying I can't have the screen itself set to power off after a set amount of time, but keep the entire system active?
This right here is what I'm talking about:
Nothing to do with standby, sleep, or system state. Just the display itself.
Also can anyone give some feedback about touch latency?
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I haven't try this but I am sure that this is something you can do of course .. If you don't have a problem downloading eg with utorrent and see the light of the screen.. And harming the screen without a reason.. We are getting back to what I was writing for keeping a book in front of the screen.. Don't laugh, many are doing it. If you don't believe me search tablet forums..
Touch latency, perhaps more users must write their opinion in this.. I feel it iPad level. Perhaps a bit less, but definitely better than android.
Another thing that I should notice, is that the on screen keyboard popup automatically only in metro apps. I use comfort key pro which do the same for legacy applications.
Apps with connected standby enabled should be able to continue running even when the tablet is in deep sleep state, most metro apps work this way (downloads, media play back . . . .)
In clover trail tablets sleep is triggered when the display is turned off just like a smart phone which makes sense
When purchasing a Win 8 tablet you have to keep in mind that things will be dramatically better with newer software releases and continuous updates nothing like an android tablet where you are likely not getting painfully slow updates if any

Axon 7 and Android Wear - Consistently Drops Connection and Forces Repairing

Hey all. So far I mostly love this phone, however I am noticing a few quirks. The main one is with Android Wear. I am connecting to a Huawei Watch. Works fine for a bit and then a pop up on the phone says it needs to be repaired and asks keep to confirm the 6 digit passcode on the watch and the phone. It happens at least twice a day. Very confusing why as I have a strong connection to Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. What I am confused about is why it acts like it is no longer paired. It even removes it from my trusted list of Bluetooth devices. Anyone else having this problem?
Another issue is with when I used SMS backup app to move my messages and call logs over. It keeps popping up with an alert saying I have 4000 unread messages even though I have none.
Any help here is appreciated guys!
I decided to just do a complete factory reset. Nobody else seems to be having the issues I'm having and I think it's because I restored from another device, etc. I am going to set it up completely from scratch and see how it goes. I'll install each app one by one, etc. I'll report back if improvements on the Android Wear/Messaging front. Also, the ambient light sensor decided to go all wonky and would be SUPER dark - I had to literally hold the phone to a light bulb to have it change. Def wasn't doing that for the first few days I had it. Seems to all be software related.
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I decided to just do a complete factory reset. Nobody else seems to be having the issues I'm having and I think it's because I restored from another device, etc. I am going to set it up completely from scratch and see how it goes. I'll install each app one by one, etc. I'll report back if improvements on the Android Wear/Messaging front. Also, the ambient light sensor decided to go all wonky and would be SUPER dark - I had to literally hold the phone to a light bulb to have it change. Def wasn't doing that for the first few days I had it. Seems to all be software related.
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Please tell me if that fixes it, because I want to get this phone and if it doesn't work correctly I'll keep looking.
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Also, on my old phone, what I had to do was restart the phone and the watch at the same time.
So far so good! I did the Google restore, not the SMS Backup and Restore thing nor did I do the NFC backup from my Galaxy S7 edge like I did originally. The ambient light sensor is working perfectly now, all my apps are reinstalling, and it paired with Android Wear immediately, no drama. So far, things are looking good .
Same issue with Asus Zenwatch 3
I have the same issue with my Asus Zenwatch 3 and my european model of Axon 7. Will try the factory reset and get back. I also did the restore connecting with NFC from my previous Nexus 5.
I'm having 5 days now the new Zenwatch 3 and works flawlessly with Axon 7(A2017G version)
Notification works great.
No any kind disconnection.
Call quality through smartwatch in high level with loud and clear voice without interruption.
Music control through Zenwatch 3 to my Bluetooth hands free also works great.
Android Wear/Zenwatch Manager app installed at my Axon 7 working flawlessly with Zenwatch 3
Solid battery both at phone and smartwatch.
Until now everything rock solid.
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I just got an update to my watch last night. I'll post if it fixed my issue or. not
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paatha13 said:
I'm having 5 days now the new Zenwatch 3 and works flawlessly with Axon 7(A2017G version)
Notification works great.
No any kind disconnection.
Call quality through smartwatch in high level with loud and clear voice without interruption.
Music control through Zenwatch 3 to my Bluetooth hands free also works great.
Android Wear/Zenwatch Manager app installed at my Axon 7 working flawlessly with Zenwatch 3
Solid battery both at phone and smartwatch.
Until now everything rock solid.
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Good to hear. I've been following threads here as I evaluate whether to get an Axon 7 or not.
I got a Zenwatch 3 recently. I'm using a NOte 4. I'm having problems with the phone being VERY laggy, even locking up for periods of time, when hooked to the watch. Battery runs down a lot faster too.
Maybe the Note 4 just isn't enough for Androidwear...
I ran my note 4 edge and 360 sport for quite a while with no issues what so ever. I've been running my 360 off this Axon 7 for a few days now also without issue. Everything has been updated to the latest of what's available, not sure what could be happening on your end. There is a permission authorization required to keep Android Wear connected.
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Just wanted to add that Yes the restore is the issue. I would always restore my bluetooth connections from previous phone and always had issue like this until I would wipe date on bluetooth and do each device new then they would stick. SO i just always do bluetooth connections fresh now
Don't know if it helps at all, but I just got an Axon 7 and was having this exact same problem. Found this thread and did a factory reset and restore through Google instead of the restore through Helium which is what I did when I first got the phone. It would not stay paired with my LG Watch Urbane even after the reset. After a bit of monkeying, I realized the ZTE has some battery/power management app that by default won't let Android Wear stay active. You have to go in and tell it to ignore it. I assumed that when the Wear app was asking me as I first set it up to exclude it from battery optimization, it was taking care of it all. Once I realized (which I probably shoulda thought about first) and excluded Wear from the power saver, I have had no problems at all and it works better than my Nexus 6P at keeping connection with my watch.

No.1 D5+ - biased review and some tips

I bought this watch about month ago. This was also my first Android phone. I would like to share my experience as I noticed many unanswered questions in D5+ threads here.
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First, why my review is suppose to be biased? It's biased simply because I'm not very typical user. I'm minimalist sort of. Yep, sounds funny when put in context with device that can do almost anything. So let me explain. I need no social media, no funny movies on Youtube, no camera. But I need badly phone on standby, gps with topo maps, and occasionally email or weather check.
Now some background of mine. I'm the happy owner of Nokia E52 - incredible device that offers phone, navigation, and (sluggish) internet. What is so special about this Nokia? Battery life. This phone runs Symbian and offers full day of gps navigation (Garmin!), gpx tracking (Endomondo) and phone availability. And weighs only 98 grams! Find me something like this with Android and I'm in.
I promised myself I will never buy phone that has everything worse than my Nokia. So why I was tempted to buy D5+? Well, I was tempted to have something even smaller and more convenient - also safer when resting on my wrist. I was always too much afraid to attach my precious Nokia to bicycle handle bar. Watch phone looks like a prefect idea for cycling. You can hear navigation audio and cycle through the great unknown. At least that was my dream. In the same time I was painfully aware that buying Chinese watch for 100 bucks is naive - to say the least. Was it really a mistake? After a month of playing with the thing I'm almost ready to say no. Why I'm not sure yet? Just because I still don't know one thing - how durable is this watch. But if it appears to last - I can say - IT'S GREAT WATCH!
What are the main achievements of this watch?
1. Android. works really smooth. No delays. Apps open immediately - much faster than on my Nexus 7 (2012 - Marshmallow CM 13.1). Not even once crashed. Booting time is less than a minute. Nice and easy.
2. Phone service. After careful setup, I estimate phone can make 40 hours on standby (only 2G, no wifi, no bluetooth, no mobile data) I never really tested it that long. It's hard to leave new toy unattended. But when I left it for 8 hours sleep battery could go only 12% down. GSM module feels very reliable. Watch connects to the network immediately - no troubles at all.
Being a minimalist - crucial thing for me was to have standalone phone watch. I don't dig this idea to have one big phone on the butt and one smaller baby speaker on my wrist. I would rather hang an earing on my tit than carry two phones.
I wanted to have it all in one small piece. But what about talking to your wrist? Well, It's not that bad as it seems. You can rise your hand to your ear and pretend that you have a phone. Or hide behind the corner. Quality of the tiny speaker is not bad at all. But it used to be - at least in my piece. After taking off the cover I noticed that tiny piece of rubber seal (under the speaker frame - not the big round seal) is touching the membrane. After pushing it aside the voice became very clear. The 2G communication sometime lacks clarity but It's not the watch but transmission itself. My Nokia is not much better in 2G mode. Mike works good, I'm very well understood by the caller. I tested conversation while riding my bicycle - works fine.
3. Wifi works great. Range is not in any way inferior to my Nexus 7 or Onyx reader. Browsing internet is fast, downloading as well. I was able to walk around my home and listen to BBC radio with no breaks. Google Play store also works like it should.
Bluetooth pairs easy with my Plantronics stereo headset though max music volume seems to be rather low - contrary to the phone conversation.
4. Mobile data gave me some hard time before I discovered that I had to manually chose the right provider (roaming enabled). Automatic mode doesn't connect to the right network when it comes to data - sometimes I get it sometimes not. There is also other obstacle. Watch seems to take a lot of power to use mobile data. It heats up tremendously. 5 minutes of mobile browsing can take 10 % of battery! I think something is not quite right here.
5. Apps. This is a full Android so you can install anything. Round screen is the only limitation that comes to mind. The latest firmware does have optional square mode but it makes app UI even smaller so I don't use it/
Google voice search works really great. Phone understands me better than my people - unless I speak Polish. You can also download language pack for offline speech to text. Keyboard input is possible if you have good eyesight and steady hands. I tried also google handwriting - it works but I always have trouble with "l" vs "i".
6. Last but not least - GPS. My watch had to have working GPS. So before I bought it I watched this helpful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJBM5Y2ULDc
And that's exactly like it is. You can get gps fix even in the building (by the window - no wifi, no data) but only when you don't wear your watch on the wrist. Hand introduces serious interference to the signal - also by changing impedance of the antenna - basically changing parameters of the whole hardware setup. I red some scientific papers showing that worst disturbance (lowest antenna gain) happened when gps patch antenna was 5 centimeters from the body. But... I found that outside it is good enough - even with my winter cloths on - to provide gpx tracking and basic navigation. I mean, when riding bicycle, it can lose fix for a while so it can skip the turn command but in general it works. You can see where you are
Now example: I made 4 hour trip (17 km.) through snowy mountains covered with dense forests. Watch was on my wrist under the thick winter clothing. Osmand navigation was all the time on with continues use of GPS setting. Half of the way I made in airplane mode and half in 2G with one short conversation. In the forest gps fix occasionally got lost but it recovered by itself showing my position nicely.
For some half an hour I used voice navigation to know where to make a turn. I was than in the open space, in the village and it worked like charm. I checked the map maybe 20-30 times total (rather shortly) and the watch lasted all 4 hours. I see ir as a successes. 450 mAh battery should be able to get charged 5 times by my powerbank so it's not that bad when comparing to big Android phones.
Below you can see actual gpx track of that trip - exported to Endomondo when I got back. As you see, altitude reporting is not reliable at all but otherwise gpx trail is not that bad. Osmand navigation has great topo capabilities so watch was really able to help me not to get lost (I had my Nokia in the backpack but I didn't use it).
Update: Osmand working in the background can sometimes make phone call hard to understand by the other person. So you can consider turning on "battery saving" before answering the call. This will disconnect the GPS.
I also encourage any hikers, cyclists to install Gpx Plugin. It let's you to automatically record the track but there is more to it - after right configuration it also shows actual live track in real time which greatly improves orientation on the small screen. You just know which way you got to the point you are in so you know which direction to head.
I'm thinking of buying some bluetooth GPS logger for longer trips - in hope of saving battery and improving accuracy. But it will be a compromise. After all I didn't want to have two devices on me...
No.1 D5+ Problems and solutions:
1. Settings. Watch lacks many of the settings available on average Android device. Solution: Setting Search app from PlayStore helps in finding hidden settings.
2. Quick access to your favorite apps is not that easy when you have to scroll down through all apps list (scrolling itself works great). Best solution for me: app called Swipe Padd. With correct setting and a little practice you can turn on your fav apps without even looking at the screen.
4. Small font for poor eyesight (like mine). Solution: Install Engineering Mode app and very carefully tweak font settings. Doesn't work in every app but now I can read sms with font bigger than on my Nokia E52.
5. App buttons and other stuff hidden in the corners. Solution: You can configure three tap zoom (hidden setting) and use it close to the edge. It will reveal hidden content. Other option is to configure watch to use square mode (newest firmware only)
6. GPS fix. Solution: reboot the watch - for me it works without using other popular methods like editing cfg file or downloading agps data. Watch is not rooted and it gets a fix while sitting on my window seal - with mobile data, wifi and bluettoh off, 2G and high accuracy on. If you still have troubles try to enable wifi to download agps data and install gps test to observe the satellite signals.(remember to turn off wifi when you go outside).
7. Osmand navigation UI troubles. Solution: You can use three tap zoom to operate hidden buttons or menu. It works. I edited original apk to show missing zoom-out, menu buttons etc. also made arrow larger (see the first photo above)
It's good to download Gpx Recording Plugin (from Osmand Plugin menu - it's free). With the right configuration it stops Osmand services when you close the app (by sweeping). Without it Osmand will still try to navigate you - even if you closed it by sweeping. To shut it up you have to reboot the watch or it will kill your battery. It's well known problem of Osmand where developers don't wish to listen to the users - they know better.
8. Battery life. Solution: turn off all possible syncs, disable whattsap, google location services, use 2G, mobile data off, wifi off, bluetooth off. If you are not navigating use watch with the battery saving mode (available from the home screen). Sim module still works.
9. Firmware update. I works via OTA quite fine. But I advice you before any upgrade to visit manufacturers site and read possible complaints from users. It saved me from troubles when I was about to update my firmware. I found it was buggy so I skipped install and waited for another firmware update. It came but on my watch the older bad update option persisted so I had to flash the new one from PC. I used this method: https://forum.hovatek.com/thread-439.html
To summarize, it looks that this is really good watch if it only stays this way. The biggest concern is a strap. I disconnected it from the watch on one side and it had two holes for antennas. There was a black antenna cable in one hole connecting strap to the watch. I guess that on the other side there are two antennas. It makes together three so one antenna has to have two functions. Anyway, for now strap seems to be sturdy but what will come with the summer sweat?
Certainly this isn't a watch for people who are afraid of tweaking this and that, reading and experimenting. They will always complain about battery life, small screen and hidden buttons. In general I find Android a geeky system. Level of knowledge to use it efficiently is quite high so if you don't enjoy problem solving better buy iPhone.
I've shared my experience in hope to help you decide if this watch can answer your needs. For those few that managed to read it all, please correct me if I've made any errors. Hopefully some development follows another happy users.
Update: Now, after using watch for the last half a year I can tell this: Watch definitely is not water proof. Water can get behind the screen and make screen go nuts. It persist for long until the thing dries form inside. There is a solution: I took my watch apart and applied sealant to the frame where screen glass comes. Then I pushed glass inside and used some pressure to make it tight. After that, watch is not afraid to be splashed with water - I use it also when kayaking.
When cycling, for the good GPS reception you can fasten watch around the brake cables of the bike. With this setup gps is almost as precise as of regular big phone. During longer rides It can be also safely charged in this position from power bank. Small 3000 mAh power bank will give you at least two full days of navigation and trip recording. All accompanied by active GSM module to tell your family you are fine.
Wow, what a long post.
Well, its ok to use it on wifi

ZeBlaze Thor :D

Hello everyone...
I have preordered my first SmartWatch ever...
I have decided to go with ZeBlaze Thor...
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It looks amazing and what i saw from videos on YouTube, it also works great...
I had to make a decision between Thor and Lemfo Les1...
And Thor looks better to me...
All the same specs except : It says that Thor have Gorila Glass 3 protection, and new samsung sensor for heart rate.
Other specs are :
Processor - MediaTek 6580 1.3GHz / same as Les1
Screen size - 1.4" SuperAmoled / only Amoled in Les1 description
RAM/ROM - 1GB/16GB / sam as Les1
Battery - Some sources say its 450mAh / 350mAh in Les1
It uses nano SIM / supports GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz) and WCDMA (850/2100MHz)
It also have GPS, BlueTooth 4.0, it weights only 63g...
Price was really nice (99€)
I will make video unboxing and review when it arrives...
Do you guys know some ZeBlaze forum where can i find updates and misc stuff for ZeBlaze SmartWatches?
Cheers!
I ordered mine (mine also first Smart Watch) from GearBest using Expidated Shipping on 30th April 2017. Not yet shipped.
May I know where you ordered from and to which Country.
I was searching for the same information. Maybe it is standalone and syncs with Google Fit.
i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
Did you order from GearBest?
I am from Croatia...
Ordered mine from Banggood...
I got my tracking number... It says that mine Thor was shipped 2 days ago... ( i ordered 4 days ago )
So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??
fast-ip said:
i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
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Well, first i will use it only connected via bluetooth with my Mi5... And later i will try with sim card...
I won't use GPS, and ill try to turn off all things i dont need...
Can we root our Thor and delete all things we dont need?
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So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??
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I did not find any links for THOR yet.
However there are steps to root a Zeblaze Blitz. Hopefully there will be root as soon as devs get hold of this powerful watch.
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Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
Sargro said:
Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
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Not sure about bluetooth pairing and things you can do when paired...
One thing i don't like is the fact that you can not use Thor for receiving calls - redirecting them from your smartphone via bluetooth...
:/
Anyone knows can we use only 2g network on Thor when sim card is inserted...
If battery won't last too much when 3g is on... i would try using 2g network only for calls...
Ordered my first smartwatch too from Gearbest :victory:
Ordered mine today from Gearbest. An upgrade from my Fifine W9 which I've been using for about 18th months.
Got the watch last week and it looks great and works well. Two issues: 1) it's extremely difficult to open the SIM slot, even with the provided tooling (couldn't so far). 2) It seems pre-prod, the software upgrade tool is a "test" version and some functionality previously available in Blitz are not yet there. How to upgrade?
ATM mine Thore is at the Customs Office... :/
It should arrive to my place this week...
So, guys... Those who got their Thor... Battery time? Without 3g... Most important part
I got mine yesterday. I'll give a quick review:
pros:
-looks good, not huge
-full android play store
-not android wear
-many clock faces
-most apps I wanted were available (play music and stitcher)
-heart rate monitor works
cons:
-battery, 75% after an hour of heavy use (music via bluetooth from wifi and installing apps)
-the companian app is sketchy, requires many excessive permissions (somewhat justified if sending calls, notifications, texts 2-way via phone), is NOT available on the play store, and crashes my nexus 6 requiring a hard reboot when i try to connect
-round screen prevents access to the hamburger menu on many apps
-swipe right is hardwired to android back button, preventing the swiping in of the menu on most apps
-google fit hangs and won't run
-strava won't pick up the heart rate monitor
-can't add multiple google accounts (i email/hangouts/text/google voice from a work g-account, but have all android apps on a personal account)
-doesn't like T-Mobile if SF bay area, sees and connects to the network, doesn't get data down
I got this as an alternative to a Garmin Vivoactive HR. I'm a cyclist that uses a bluetooth power meter. I was looking for a smarter activity tracker that could play music and podcasts. Something that would pair to my powermeter for analyzing racing performance and track training sessions. It does meet my minimum needs. I was a little too hyped on it before I got it, and I do have to say my first impressions are that its a bit of a let down TBH.
it does track heart rate via one app. it does not transmit this information as a Bluetooth heart rate monitor. on most of the clock faces, it reports the last heart rate. unfortunately, it shows this a 0 padded number and the kerning is messed up since rarely do you exceed 200 and there's only room for a narrow character like "1". heart rate is also not offered as a background service for long-term tracking.
the app is super sketchy and attempting to connect crashes my phone worse than any app I have seen. the only way I have gotten out it to just hold my power button for 20 seconds.
try to do an OTA update and it just hangs with the word "test". that's confidence inspiring.
google fit hangs on startup
strava seems to work fine with initial testing, doesn't seem to register the heartrate monitor
I've had several android tv boxes from china and some cheap tablets, so I knew what to expect interface wise, but this guy is barely usable.
The hardware seems capabale. I'm hoping a firmare update or a custom rom will surface for this because its got potential.
Needs:
-data on the go, connecting, seeing 3-4 bars but not getting data is frustrating
-gesture to access hamburger menus
-heartrate background service that's easily toggleable
-heartrate broadcast via bluetooth
-multiple google accounts
I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
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I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
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Root the thing and get rit of the bloatware.
How to root it?
Any tips and tricks, and how to manual?
Tnx
I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
I think Kingoroot would work too. I read about some perfomance issues if you root with Kingroot, draining the battery because it's filled with adware (not tested by my side).
Either way it would be nice to have some development on this model like it was done on the Blitz. I think there are a lot of brands with the same hardware around (like the LEMFO LES1 and I think the KW88 having the same MTK6580) which could benefit too
bamie01 said:
I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
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T-Mobile has Finally released the Android 11 Updgrade for OnePlus 8 5G

The wait is OVER! T-Mobile OnePlus 8 5G Android 11 update has been released (well to select few with issues for sure). This is not official but I can confirm that I do infact have it. No root. Yes I am unlocked and came from Sprint but that played no part in the Update I received.
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Go ahead and check now. I was a former Sprint - Tmobile Failed TNX Transfer. After months of being told complete nonsense, they proactively called me, troubleshot and without notice I checked again and there it was. This could be a TS Procedure, however, see attached Screenshots and I believe everyone will see it Feb 2-4th. My experience as one of the initial transfers has been anything but smooth. However, I commend their Customer Service and their Tech SUpport for owning the issue and this may have saved me as a customer. Mind you I will absolutely not buy from them again, however, I will sell this oneplus 8 5g that is unlocked for the 8t/8Pro or 9 Pro unlocked and stick with them for the outstanding customer service!
AOD doesn't have the all day function like global does, modem cant switch from 5g to 4g without a reboot or airplane mode toggle, wifi calling works when if "feels" like it.
@esjames so just to confirm are you saying that you're having issues with the automatic transition from 5G to 4G or vice versa? Cuz that would be a very big problem for me especially since I am 99% of my time on my home Wi-Fi and have been missing calls ever since doing the upgrade. Can you confirm that if I do do a global conversion will that result in error and if so do you happen to have a guide on how to convert from Android 11?
Thank you in advance.
It doesn't appear to have AOD? that's the one feature I wanted. Ugh
I went and got the iphone 12 pro yesterday, and yes "all day" aod isnt there and 4g-5g switching works only sometimes. Got tired of it dropping signal. Global firmware doesnt have stand alone 5g but at least it didnt drop signal.
Missing features aside (it seems several releases back from what I'm seeing in OnePlus' forums, where several devices are on 11.0.3.3 and 11.0.5 is in beta testing) how is it overall? Stability, battery life, Android Auto, etc?
Most says beta 5 is more stable than the stable release. The global release is pretty good. Battery life kinda sucks though
Are you guys having issues with YouTube and twitch mini screen hiding on the bottom of the screen and not appearing on recent apps?
I just updated. I hope I don't regret this
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I just updated. I hope I don't regret this
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I like with the exemption of YouTube and maps mini floating screen disappearing
I'm not too thrilled with the update. Very laggy and buggy, wiped cashed data and it seems to have helped.... Slightly. Missing some text after a little while I'll get 3-4 all at the same time. I'm going to unlock and throw rhe international version on it very soon.
My first test of Android Auto in the truck was not great. At first everything seemed fine, but it got extremely slow after checking out 3 or 4 apps. I'll clear cache on related apps and see if that helps. The phone itself has been fine so far.
So first real test of Google navigation on AA today, and it wasn't good. When I searched for a place and selected directions, it showed three options, but the routes were not highlighted on the selection screen or while navigating, no matter how many times I closed the app and re-did the search. Finally I gave up and used Waze, which worked fine. I tried Google Maps again partway through, and that time it showed the route, but I cancelled it. When I got where I was going and unplugged the phone, it was very warm and there was a temperature warning - actually it said device temperature was back to the safe range. It's never done that before. Also the phone still had a persistent navigation notification shown that didn't want to go away. I am really disappointed right now. Normally I would also stream music while navigating, but didn't this time, and it still made the phone really warm on top of the other issues.
I don't care for the update either. Has crazy lag with screen transitions. Android Auto works fine for me. Freezes up when phone screen is left on. Turn off phone screen and android auto is responsive again. Did notice the missing navigation route issue once or twice. Forgot how I solved it but it's working now.
Otherwise just got the update yesterday. I will also say I think the maps issue is the actual maps app. Mine did it on android 10 not 11.
Also keyboard has round corners now?
Ever since I've updated there has been a problem with texting and I'm hoping someone might have an answer.
After I updated I noticed I could receive group text but my one on one text don't arrive (and I have timed it 15 20 minutes later.
I tried different texting apps (I use Textra) but nothing changed.
I did a factory reset and nothing changed
I called T Mobile and replaced sim card and after talking to technicians - nothing changed
I've changed settings and texting apps again - nothing changed.
Can anyone help?
I cannot get one on one text or app verification codes quick enough to install certain apps but I can still receive group maeesages quickly.
Am I the only one have trouble connecting in FlashMode? No matter what I've tried, debugging on, debugging off, the "Adb devices" command doesn't see a da** thing. I could've sworn I had connect to this phone with the android 10 version.
BTW, I had to laugh, 'cause it took me a minute to find the Flashmode option in the new Power menu. They sort of hid it.
Just wondering because I've been trying all afternoon. Probably just something stupid I'm doing but I gotta get this going so I can debloat thing. This rom is so loaded with bloatware, it's crazy. After I got finished paring down all the Sprint apps that were on my LG V50 it weighed about 5lb less and this one's is way worse.
February Patch for T-Mobile is out!! Hopefully with AOD and bug fixes.
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February Patch for T-Mobile is out!! Hopefully with AOD and bug fixes.
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nope. just february patch with bug fixes.
Still no AOD, pathetic. Who do we complain to - Tmobile or OnePlus?
Things have been better since I cleared the cache from the recovery menu. I don't remember the phone charging at only 1A in the car before. Seems to be the same whether I use Android Auto through the radio's USB port or my car charger. I guess the OnePlus 8 doesn't support Quickcharge?

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