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I did my best to get used to CM6, and I was sad to find that a lot of people, especially on the IRC channel, were not quite tolerant of my ex-Sense habit, and sadly, I ended up leaving CM6 because of that. It's not just the people on IRC, there are a few reasons why I think Sense is superior, so agree with them or not, here they are
The 9 reasons I use Sense UI; keep in mind this is a comparison between stock AOSP and stock Sense UI. No alterante launchers, mods, widgets, apps, or themes.
1. The Sense clock app just looks far better to me, and is also far more functional. I have not had a good experience with AOSP's clock app at all.
2. I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android. Just my opinion, maybe not the best of reasons, but it's just what I've come to find from experimenting with both.
3. The Lockscreen is simply elegant; and I prefer not to have any sort of slider or buttons on my lockscreen. I also do not like the way the font is displayed on the AOSP one. It looks a bit tacky and does not match the rest of Android.
4. The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know. Believe it or not, I prefer this more than hitting the menu button; I do not have to take my thumb off the side of my phone.
5. The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore. I also do not like how I have to hit a seperate key to show all the alternate letters and punctuation. The sense keyboard allows me to simply press and hold to get that lettter.
6. The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization). Perhaps if TweetDeck ends up introducing a proper widget that can compete with Friendstream, then I can consider switching.
7. The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Sadly, it does not . Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button. Again, I know about DIaler One, I have not had good experiences with it, nor am I including it in this comparison.
8. Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts. It also helps me discern phone numbers from people who I only temporarily need to have, such as Project A, Camping Group B, etc etc.
9. The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
All in all, no my phone performs extremely well and runs quite fast (Zen-Rom Alpha 5) and gets terrific battery life. I can even use JIT on it, whether or not it really is noticeable. It's elegant, it's clean, professional, and just a joy to use. Sense is to Android as Apple is to Software; refinement and polish.
This is by no means a jab at you CM6 themers and skinners, your work is amazing and gives Stock Android what it needs. I'm just here to share my experiences as to why I use and love Sense, and when we manage to get it ported to Froyo, I will be happy to switch up to 2.2
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
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First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
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I certainly agree about the Phone button being redundant. I have already remapped mine, but I find myself not really ever using the middle button anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I know, I did the whole "Fancy Widget" routine and found it to be inaccurate compared to the Weather app itself, and was of lower resolution than the regular one.
The problem isn't just coloring the titlebar black and using Fancy Widget, the problem is the rest of the widgets have no equals, and the rest of the apps excepting the HTC IME mod have no equal either. The dialer on AOSP, I maintain, is still utterly terrible and incredibly inefficient.
The one thing i like is the fact that from the contacts i can add the birthday. It is so nice that i can say " ok spell your name first and last. Now your number, and now your birthday. " it just makes it so much more personal. Especially when you drop them a text on the birthday. Yeah for brownie points. Not to mention the MMS that i the reason i stopped using a AOSD rom. I still mantain all the respect in the world to the rom developers just i ,like you, prefer Sence based rom
I don't know about being a wimp for using a sense rom..I just think it is an individuals preference and opinion to what they have on their phones.
I agree the dialer on my phone isn't the greatest,and would love to have it respond faster to my touch,but that is about all I could ask for when it comes to it. As too the contact list.I want nothing to start making suggestions on who I wish to call for me. I can and much prefer to choose someone directly from it,and it is no different when using any sense rom.
The typewriter is flat..nothing that a sense rom can do to ever change that fact. If you want a true tactical feel then get a physical keyboard.. I do agree with you on this though..it isn't the most responsive keyboard I have ever used,but the stock sense keyboard to me is worse and laid out wrong from the start. I'll be glad when the swype keyboard is more readily available..even if it does wind up costing a few dollars.
Widgets..some cost $2.99 many though are free,and do exactly what they are supposed to do.
Again,it is all a personal choice on what a person has on their phone,and what they consider to be utilitarian or beautiful. As I see it,Ubuntu is refined and certainly is a breath of fresh air for those who enjoy having a nice theme on their phone. What can be added and taken away has a certain appeal for many people. My wife loves this look..
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Her needs wants and desires are far different than many others. She also wants her phone different than anyone else so she wants something that is clean..elegant..and yet sophisticated. She can have this with this home screen,and those icons.It isn't cluttered with anything,and is to her liking. To her and many like myself,having animated weather widgets is not needed or wanted,nor is having a boring ass flip clock wanted either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just as we all set these phones up to our individual needs,wants,and desires. While having a sense rom is fine and works for many with everything it offers,it isn't the end all, for everyone else. It can be utilized for what ever we load on it regardless wither it is a sense based rom or not.Some here seem to forget that others have no need for all of the what a sense rom offers,and they also forget we all have different taste in decoration and different needs. Some have minimal needs but yet still like to customize their phone to their personal taste.Some here never use their phone for work,but others do,so their needs are much different.
In the end it is just a matter of personal taste,wants,and desires. If you feel a sense rom is the best..well..that is your opinion and certainly are entitled to it. I see being able to choose what we want on our phones as a more important topic than which is better..because this we can do,and not have to settle for what our carriers force upon us.
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I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
I'm a fan of the sense apps, but I prefer clean and simple on my home screen. So, I use launcher for the simple, clean look it provides and then I just go to my app folder and use the sense apps because the ROM I'm using is a sense-based ROM. It's like the best of both worlds. I can totally understand the OP's point of view and I don't like to pay for apps that do the same thing the sense apps do. So, I have just combined my likes from the two worlds and tried to remove the dislikes. All-in-all, I'm very pleased with the personalization the android platform offers, which I would risk saying is why most of us have the Hero in the first place.
Kudos to open forums and everyone getting to express their own personal opinions. And it's good to see no one flaming the OP for his!
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First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
The clock app beats the pants off of AOSP's pathetic and frankly, ugly one. Why should I have a pathetic looking clock that can't do half of what Sense's can, when I have all of those features tied into one and it looks professional?
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This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android.
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That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
The lockscreen; forgive me if I'm being too literal here, but I was under the impression that a Lockscreen was made so that no phone interaction would happen accidentally. Why would I even want to risk having a slider that can silence my phone on my lockscreen? And again, the ugliness factor is just appalling. Everything is so big and bubbly.
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I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know.
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are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore.
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No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization)
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If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Ha, one would wish. Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button.
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Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts.
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There are apps that will let you do thi.
The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
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I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
I love Sense UI and miss much of it now that I don't have it but, for me, the trade-off is worth it. I enjoy my phone now in ways I didn't believe would be possible.
For others who don't view Sense UI as creating problems, that's great!
No one will criticize someone for having their phone perform the way they want it to!
spiritcrusher33 said:
I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
I use a Sense ROM but I really can't stand the slowness of opening and navigating the HTC contacts, messaging, calendar, clock, and music apps. They move at a snail's pace compared to their AOSP counterparts, which frankly navigate through menus almost instantly. So, I replaced all of these with the AOSP 2.1 versions (except for contacts, which is not really replaceable).
However I agree with the HTC dialer app being the best in terms of functionality.
jwhistler said:
The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
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THIS......
At least until the government mandates we all buy regular cell phones under the disguise of "free cell phones for all"
I don't see how the vanilla lockscreen is uglier than the Sense one at all. Never had a problem with unlocking or silencing the phone while in my pocket either, gotta thank the Menu button unlocking the phone being disabled by default for that..
I am a Sense user up until now. There are no disputde that sense + widgets are nice and available readily from HTC (That's what we paid for). Of course AOSP is different. It's an open source development and offer as plain as possible so that users can freely use any widgets and customize the phone the way they wanted. To me Sense is just a layer on top of the AOSP or another term it's just a Launcher that was written and customized by HTC.
Why am I walking away from the current 2.1 sense?
-It's simple CM6 Froyo 2.2 OS is faster than the current 2.1 OS.
-If I compared Sense 2.1 vs AOSP 2.1, I would pick Sense because the performance is the same but on the plus side is Sense package is readily available.
-If I compared Sense 2.1, AOSP 2.1 vs CM6 Froyo. Froyo is faster by a mile ( I am not talking about benchmark, i am talking about real time performance)
I only switched a way from sense 2.1 since CM6 was available as nightly and there are couple of times turned back to the latest Sense ROM but only to find that it was a disappointment in performance. You just need to be patient and find the right sense like widgets for your CM6 or wait until Sprint release Sense 2.2
Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
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First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
There are apps that will let you do thi.
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
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Thank you for COMPLETELY ignoring the very first part of my post, I appreciate your reading skills.
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Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
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Oh? Is there supposed to be a purpose for each and every thread in the General Section? Fancy Widget is still just a widget, the Clock App and the Weather App from Sense don't come with it. Sense is not just about LOOKING good, it has the apps to back it up
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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
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+1 very nicely said
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+1 very nicely said
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On an overclocked/undervolted kernel? Have you ever seen Zen-ROM? My guess is not.
Whats the with hostility in OP's post? lol
now that i got a chance to play with wp7 oon the hd2, i find the os boring. i do say thats it is and is not like the old winmo.
not the same because the ui is different.
seems the same because when you open the windows folder, it takes a while to load.
os seems pretty fast but how well does it do with lots of apps being loaded? im not too fond of the tile interface and the straight in line icon/apps. seems that if you have a lot of apps loaded, the single list will just get longer and that just looks dumb.
not looking for fight or argument, just what are your thoughts are with wp7 running on your hd2. i personally wouldnt but a wp7 phone as of now.
i do think the hd2 is awsome because we can run several os's.
Very boring, but that's my opinion
Its very basic because its very young.
M$ have said that they are working on allot more user customization. Stuff like the apps page will obviously be changeable at some point, hopefully in next update, if not its plain retarded.
Im currently dual booting WP7 with Android as I cant see me having it as my daily driver any time soon.
PS. This is a WP7 discussion so it should have gone in the WP7 general forum.
Ya I was not very pleased with M$ for some silly reason picking the horrible tile BS. I mean you want to have something nice looks good hell the whole 6.5.X base 29XXX was stable.
But the biggest thing M$ did was drop the legacy support and dumping CE now they can build it based on their own guideline which they outlined for WM7 spec, kinda like stole the play from Apple.
Would you want something like this?
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This is WM7 on HD7, who would you take this?
Sorry M$ you did epic fail on building main screen user env. Maybe HTC should have stepped up and provided SenseUI over the tile BS and not make Sense dock though settings.
At the moment?????? Yes...It's very clean and user friendly but it's very boring... i switched to Android before 1 week until something new will come out!
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for me this is the FIRST wp7 rom on hd2 and is a lot more functional than the android first ones....
the interface can be boring using it for a long time, ok, the same with apple...but i'm sure HTC and XDA can do a better work on the UI, hoping in MS update too..
i'm still of the opinion that is good for daily use. for me the essentials are phonebook, sms, email (very good), internet (android better for now, waiting for opera)
To me the biggest problem is the limitation of the UI.
Okay, maybe it can be funny the first 20 Minutes you used it, but after that????
I'm a big fan of personalization. and ok let be clear to me changing the color from Green to blue or orange isn't a personalization. I'm just missing Sense, (the big force of HTC)
To be honest except the Hardware look what is the different now between Samsung/HTC/LG/... WP7 versions? Yeah right no different.
I know everyone will saying it's new.... Yeah it is but at the other side, Windows don't tolerate that 3th users changed the UI. So, this means no Sense
Apart the fact it's running fast and stable. Yeah it border you after 20 Min.
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I'm a big fan of personalization. and ok let be clear to me changing the color from Green to blue or orange isn't a personalization.
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LOL now that made me laugh, as I been saying long before WM7 even came out M$ sure thinks users are retarded or something as they designed this UI for 5years old? Its like they keep digging the hole bigger and bigger while being in it. I mean WTF they post to compete with AOSP and iOS with BS like that?
"I am WM7 look I have 4-5 tiles that moves, keep looking at it as it will move, oops BSOD" lol
Windows 6.5 was 100 times better in my opinion, and that even sucked. Long live android.
i have to disagree with everyone i suppose.
I dont think wp7 (not wm7) boring at all. In fact i think Android is very boring and outdated. I mean wm6.5 and Android just feel from ancient history when compared with wp7. I have wp7 more than a week and certainly not's boring. Its way smoother than Android. But i mean WAY WAY... smoother.
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actually it looks awesome on my omnia 7, less so on my hd2 coz of the washed out colours. I think its a great alternative os look. Im looking forward to folders coz the scrolling list of programs is getting to be a pain. love the sharp frill free magazine look which seems very 2011, all those rounded icons and faux shine fade of other ossers remind me of vista. plus its quite a popular look when yours eyes arent as sharp as a 20 something.
I dont bash other os.s. when youre locked into a 2 year contract people get quite attached and defensive of their phones.
I love the feel of wp7 compared to android. For everyday use of texting and calling I prefer it, but for more app intensive stuff I dual boot android. The UI of wp7 just works.
I think for thinkerers like most people here ANY OS that you can not pull down and build up ten times daily will be borring to us. Our phones have become our major toys. Before I moved over to WP7, I was flashing MDJ's Gingerbread every day, modding the battery icons and such stuffs. I can not do most of that with WP7 and it is a bit annoying.
But I think WP7 as it is now is already much more functional for what really matter in a phone, sms, email, contacts, social networking than IOS and android. The mostly text-based interface is clean, fast and readable. I have used all the rest, I think this is the best.
i like it. Actually all my phones and roms i used since wm5 and android i always prefered the closest to stock roms. I dont like funny things, collorful icons or "amazing" backgrounds...i want responsiveness, pratical and easy to use UI. No lags or bugs because i ****ed all the UI with random customizations.
And IMHO the problem with ppl saying its boring its because we dont have too many apps yet (or at least really useful apps) that uses tiles at their maximum potencial. So instead of dynamic icons on home screen you end up "watching" big blue squares or whatever is your color profile. Tiles is like widgets but better. One of the things ppl like android is because of the widgets. Afaik you cant do that on iphone (which is a REALLY boring device).
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Can't really complain much knowing well WP7 came out what 2-3 months ago (officially not the betas). Honestly I love it & this is coming from someone who went from an iPhone 2G/3G/3GS to a HD2. Yeah is missing tons of features that both Android/iOS have (background apps, copy/paste/tethering you get the picture). But so far I love it next phone I buy will most likely have WP7 on it
Found it boring at first but once you actually get involved with some of the non stock apps then it gets interesting.
I much prefer the way the UI works to Android although, as others have said, more customisation would be good.
Am now dual booting WP7 with Android (mainly for Wi-Fi tethering) but am using WP7 as my daily OS.
My first thoughts on wp7 were indeed along the lines of it being boring or suchlike, but now I've used it as my main phone for a week or so I'm liking it more and more, and definitely more than I thought I would like it.
On the whole, it works very nicely compared with winmo or android. Admittedly the androind nand installs were TONS better than the SD versions but wp7 just feels clean and uncluttered, and normally I like clutter.
The weirdest thing is that the thing I loved most about winmo (the ability to tinker as much as I wanted) is actually something I'm mostly not missing as this os just does a good job with a few exceptions.
I love that the AD2P or whatever it's called works really well with bluetooth, the wifi doesn't eat the battery alive, and things like that.
What has surprised me most is the fact that while I had zillions of app shortcuts on android & winmo, I currently have 24 tiles. That sounds a lot, but it flicks so easily & smoothly through that it's barely like you have to do anything. That's a mix of apps/contacts/settings/and favourite pages. It's made me realise that most of those countless app shortcuts I used to have just mostly never got used in reality.
BUT, there are things that drive me ****ing nuts with wp7. Maybe they can't be done yet, or maybe they can and I just don't know how...
Font sizes - on emails screen. It's WAY too big. I'm not a dribbling imbecile so I can read a font smaller than 22point or whatever it might be. I want to change it.
Email settings - haven't yet found one for data size/download sizes per message. Sure it must be in there though.
Contacts - you should be able to customise the display of them. The layout is stupid as you get big font for the names but tiny for the numbers. If you're in the car it's impossible to read what the number is against a contact for instance.
Apps - not enough, but we all knew that would be the case.
Tiles - not a big issue but it would kinda be nice if you could vary the size of them and the style a little. I'm not talking full on eye candy but a little extra visual bling wouldn't kill it.
The multitask thing. I want a call recorder and I understand it's impossible because of no multitasking. That's not good enough, and it's annoying to close my music playing while I go do something else.
Sounds a lot but mostly they're minor gripes and it's proving to be way better than I actually remotely thought it would be.
I'm hoping in due course that the uber clever tefal heads and boffins on here will be able to make it look a little prettier and address some minor issues, but it's doing well for such a new player I think.
I know WP7 is very new and look at Apple with the Iphone, no bluetooth, crappy camera etc when it first came out. WP7 for me has richer and more useful applications. I mean, flicking from page to page for BBC Mobile or ITN app is very pleasing and for me, better than Android.
I think what everyone is looking for is more customization. Not just changing colour of the panel but adding your own patterns, background image throughout and not just boring black or white. For me I would love folder options in applications layout and the ability to choose folder graphics or pictures. End call button being more big and bold, better internet explorer, damn is that just pants. I would also love more usability with press and hold user interface as well. Adding another layout than just panes, swipe right for applications but also swipe again for widgets so you can truly customise.
i think now Android has the edge but in time, if Microsoft listens to what people actually want then WP7 will be the phone to have.
I personally love it, but I am a 2 years Xbox live gold member so I am slightly biased in that direction.
Out of all 3 OSes I have used, WP7 has the most consistent UI across all of them, It's minimalistic without being condescending and is very robust out of the box.
Android I needed an alarm clock and alternate music player and Windows Mobile was even worse.
Don't get me wrong though, Gingerbread was awesome and I loved GTX Sense on my WM6.5.
It all comes down to preference really. Windows Mobile for tweakability, Android for updatability and adaptability; and Windows Phone for consistency, gaming and eye candy.
in it's current form is simple and a little bit boring.
I am really miffed at this.
I think it is a big google mistake that we spend the money on these 10.1 inch devices only to have 5+% of the screen constantly used up a by a big black bar at the bottom!
In reality our 10.1 inch screens end up being smaller than that of a 9.7 inch ipad!
Surely all that was really needed was a small semi-transparent home, back, and settings buttons? Maybe even configurable. Can't be that hard, look at button savior or virtual button bar...
I have been experimenting with honey bar and the open source hide bar, but both these options when used in conjunction with the programmes mentioned above end up making the desktop stutter in transition...
Does anyone have a solution that might work, or are there any devs that can put something together?
Maybe leave the buttons in place, but have the bar itself transparent?
Phh... makes me mad, really.
What do you think? Post your thoughts.
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Doesn't bother me one bit
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never bothered me but now that you mention it a transparent bar would be quite cool. Actually now I want one. Any other tabs have one?
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never bothered me but now that you mention it a transparent bar would be quite cool. Actually now I want one. Any other tabs have one?
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Galaxy tab have code for one, it gives show/hide option when pressing the power button.
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I am really miffed at this.
I think it is a big google mistake that we spend the money on these 10.1 inch devices only to have 5+% of the screen constantly used up a by a big black bar at the bottom! ....
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I'm not that upset about it. I have noticed it. But it's not there when it would actually matter to me (while watching video, playing games, etc.). As far as being a part of the interface or ui element, it's not really taking that much screen real estate from the apps that use it.
The simplest solution would be to replicate the 2.3 taskbar. A simple, thin taskbar with the time, battery, notifs on it and some smart points where we know to touch to get the desired action. It's likely it was made that size to be uniform with the size of the screen. Deeper into that, an easy way to hide it and make it transparent or translucent. Similar perhaps notif./active app list on phones...a simple pull-down or pull-up gesture could be implemented to pull it into and out of sight. Additionally, a gesture based solution could be implemented for apps that do require the bar to be there for use of backing out, going to home screen or viewing recent or running apps.
Remember that Samsung is running their own layer on top of HC so they can do whatever they want. That is also going to make it slightly more difficult for them to get updates to the tablet on a timely basis in most scenarios unless they are very on top of it. I doubt that with the multitude they'll have coming....7, 8.9 and 10 inch tabs all needing to be updated that they will indeed be very on top of it. And they don't have the best track record for updates post-hotness of their devices.
Acer could get the same customized elements if they did a light layer as well, but we'd no longer have vanilla HC and I don't think we'd like the trade off, which would be waiting a while longer for updates.
I say we wait and see what ICS has for us. It's at least somewhat likely Google has considered this.
Alternatively, maybe there's a HC designed launcher you could use to replace the current one?
Never noticed, I like it just like it is, transparent would be nice though.
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I'm not that upset about it. I have noticed it. But it's not there when it would actually matter to me (while watching video, playing games, etc.). As far as being a part of the interface or ui element, it's not really taking that much screen real estate from the apps that use it.
The simplest solution would be to replicate the 2.3 taskbar. A simple, thin taskbar with the time, battery, notifs on it and some smart points where we know to touch to get the desired action. It's likely it was made that size to be uniform with the size of the screen. Deeper into that, an easy way to hide it and make it transparent or translucent. Similar perhaps notif./active app list on phones...a simple pull-down or pull-up gesture could be implemented to pull it into and out of sight. Additionally, a gesture based solution could be implemented for apps that do require the bar to be there for use of backing out, going to home screen or viewing recent or running apps.
Remember that Samsung is running their own layer on top of HC so they can do whatever they want. That is also going to make it slightly more difficult for them to get updates to the tablet on a timely basis in most scenarios unless they are very on top of it. I doubt that with the multitude they'll have coming....7, 8.9 and 10 inch tabs all needing to be updated that they will indeed be very on top of it. And they don't have the best track record for updates post-hotness of their devices.
Acer could get the same customized elements if they did a light layer as well, but we'd no longer have vanilla HC and I don't think we'd like the trade off, which would be waiting a while longer for updates.
I say we wait and see what ICS has for us. It's at least somewhat likely Google has considered this.
Alternatively, maybe there's a HC designed launcher you could use to replace the current one?
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Well thought out reply, with some good ideas.
I think the best thing is to wait and see what ICS has to offer.
Cheers
I've always wanted to make the taskbar transparent. It doesn't bother me that its there and I use honeybar when I want to hide it, but having it transparent would make life so much easier.
When you use honeybar you're just adding another step to access the back, home and info buttons. I would also love to hide the upper icons as I never ever use them.
I know that there's an app that will hide the taskbar, because I saw it in one of the latest cooked ROMs in the DEV section. Have a look over there for the name of the app. He's actually included it in the ROM, but you can d/l the app once you know it's name.
you know I really thought I would hate it before I got this tab, but frankly I love it, it
s far more interactive and has great potential, with it being software based, it has moddability that buttons and capacitive spots don't have. and since the screens are already quite big, there's no lost functionality like on a phone.
case in point: download Wizz bar and see how much it add to the multitasking capability of HC. and remember that this is just getting started.
Honeybar
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I love posting a solution to someone's issue and the thread instantly dies. Hope you found the Honeybar program. It works great but requires root.
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I love posting a solution to someone's issue and the thread instantly dies. Hope you found the Honeybar program. It works great but requires root.
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I don't particularly think of that as a solution, per se. It is great info though if folks don't know about it. The thread probably cooled off because many people don't really care about the bar or are using ROMs that have the ability to hide it anyway.
Honeybar may hide it like what Samsung and some Devs have done with their ROMS, that's great on some level but there's still that underlying issue of the bar being 1. there in the first place and 2. pretty, erm, obtrusive in some apps for some people. Furthermore, honeybar requires root and not everyone wants to root their tablet.
I say hurry up ICS!
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I don't particularly think of that as a solution, per se. It is great info though if folks don't know about it. The thread probably cooled off because many people don't really care about the bar or are using ROMs that have the ability to hide it anyway.
Honeybar may hide it like what Samsung and some Devs have done with their ROMS, that's great on some level but there's still that underlying issue of the bar being 1. there in the first place and 2. pretty, erm, obtrusive in some apps for some people. Furthermore, honeybar requires root and not everyone wants to root their tablet.
I say hurry up ICS!
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Eggsackery,
This is what I mean.
+1 for ics
MJ-12
Total screen area is 45.5 square inches... Status bar is just under 3... In terms of screen area, it is about 6%,
To be technical, subtracting out the status bar leaves 9.9 inches diagonally, which is how screens are measured... Actual diagonal size is really 10.07 inches... You lose 0.17 diagonal inches... 1.688% diagonal screen loss.
Edit: I could make it worse... Screen size is measured by the diagonal. If you take the diagonal of the status bar, it is about 8.6 inches... Which is 85% of 10.1... lol.
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Civato's mix rom has an app called hide bar that hides the taskbar and you can just swipe it back. It works pretty good.
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Civato's mix rom has an app called hide bar that hides the taskbar and you can just swipe it back. It works pretty good.
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This info is included in the OP.
But its not exactly the point being made here. See a couple of posts back #14 by Neoprimal...
Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
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If it's really true, I'm very excitedly happy. Yay for stock Android
- New timescape version (might include timescape for application)
- Apps & Widget manager
- New music players
- More bloatwares
- Hopefully camera will be fixed
- System running faster
what happen to the camera?
Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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I hope we do manage to get it rooted with locked bootloaders because after that, making it stock is easy
-Camera compression
-Shortcuts for notification site, to add music player, power control shortcuts
-New home launcher...
-better support for liveview
-wi fi connection
-faster scrolling in menu, switch from first to last app. list faster.like moving finger on dots beyond apps
-"xBass" pls. make this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106197 I'd appreciate it, really. f* xloud, it doesnt change max loudness.
I don't think SE is that dumb to change the whole appearance of ICS lol..
why would they even do that? maybe a little touch to make it more attractive than the others but why would they make it into a TS UI? LOL makes no sense to me as the holographic engine of the ICS FW is so damn awesome & sleek :O
I think it would be great if sony put its touch in the interface while keeping it ICS
look in general.
Camera compression is the only adjustment I care about. Make it better or lose a customer
Full blown SE customization.
Stock android is boring (at least for me)
- Hardware accelerated graphics -> smooth, lag-free scrolling and navigation !
Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
I like se one over stock gingerbread .but ice cream?iam not sure
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I hope and think SE will combine their amazing UI design skills
with ICS.
ICS is not so beautiful everywhere however I think - I really do! - that some ICS UI elements are actually inspired by SE.
SE has the best UI on smartphones IMO.
I like ICS home launcher, but I also like SE's home launcher, so I hope to have the functionality of SE Home launcher with the stock launcher + SE theme.
I like some of SE functionality also like Facebook inside Xperia.
but there's things I hate, SE must, and must and MUST do something regarding it...
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
2- The Home launcher & browser both should be Hardware accelerated, and Home launcher should be loaded in Memory all the time, and make the browser have this option also.
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1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
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One of ics new features is disabling any system app so it looks like we won't have an issue
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Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
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Erm, you've got to be joking?!! The Google ICS image on the right looks like a cluttered, cramped and confusing mess. The SE image on the left is clear and simple. Also look at that pointless big grey bar at the bottom of the screen on ICS - what an absolute waste of screen space.
I also absolutely hate the way ICS on the Galaxy Nexus wastes screen space for those pointless software Android buttons. Slimline tactile buttons as on the Xperias are a superior solution.
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Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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I'm not sure whether you can already do this or not in ICS, but I think there should be a way to add labels to pages in your app tray. I see Google has added tabs for "Apps" and "Widgets", but I think this is a pointless change. I don't need a Widget tab, nor do I want an Android Market tab (it's there for no other reason than Goog£€ making sure to promote its ridiculous 30% cut on app sales). What I would like is the ability to create custom tabs to group my apps (or, alternatively, the ability to create folders) in the app tray. Ironically, Google have moved to SE-style side scrolling for apps, but with custom tabs vertical scrolling would actually look better!
I would also like companies like SE to neuter Google's power a bit more. I simply do not trust Google (I think it is becoming too big, powerful and "big brother" like) and would like SE to add features such as the making it more configurable what data Google receive, and reduce the dependency on Google services.
I also wish SE would stop forcing Facebook on users, and allow users to remove the Facebook app and all Facebook features - not only is the Facebook app badly written and a CPU and battery hog (which runs in the background even if you sign out), Facebook is another company that I do not trust at all.
I have to agree with Paul. I'm not a big fan of the ICS UI. I particularly don't care for the soft buttons at the bottom of the screen. I prefer a clean, simple look. Albiet I haven't used a true ICS ROM, but I have flashed ICS themed ROMS and don't like it all. Call me a creature of habit, but I have no plans of installing ICS when it's finally released.
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I forget to say,
1- Add support for USB-OTG Mass Storage, and please for any newer phones, even if you will add large internal memory ( like 16GB ) add also a microSD slot, it's a must, and AFAIK missing the microSD will mean no USB-OTG Mass Storage...
2- Support WiFi Direct
I don't know if you're aware, but when ICS comes to the arc, or any other device with buttons, the soft buttons are disabled and it functions as normal.
Also the ICS themes for 2.3 are not at all a fair indication of the user experience. Most of the joy of ICS is its the first version of android with some degree of descent UI consistency.
I agree, the SE overlay is the best android 2.3 interface around. But android 2.3 UI sucked, it was a mess of aged, inconsistent graphics design. Sony took it and built an aged looking but more consistent UI design. Google have actually gone and made a stock UI in ICS that looks stylish enough to stand out in this world of simple, modern interface design.
But as I said, each to their own I guess I for one will be updating as soon as possible, ICS brings so many great new features to the table, as long as Sony doesn't spoil them, I think it's going to be a great update
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I know this phone is release for quite sometimes, it sudden shock my head to purchase it. Dunno why just sudden feel like want it and I not regret it. :victory:
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Below is my own personal summary review about this device, it is the most difficult for me to write about it as it is a mix in between the feel on this phone.
Screen - It is absolutely gorgeous! Never though it will be that great since this phone now only cost around RM 1k in Malaysia market now and it is local set warranty 32 GB edition. The screen do look yellowish in initial firmware but this issue no longer there after you upgrade the phone. I check back all review and all mentioned how accurate the color are, I don't have any tools to check the accuracy but it just simply please my eyes. Simply stunning color and clarity. It is Full HD but it is IPS, it is far than enough for 5.2" screen. Nothing to complain on the screen.
Performance - If I said this phone is extremely fast and can compare with S7 Edge then I am absolutely lying. It is not, for current market, the performance on this phone is good but not stunning. Mostly apps need around 2 to 4 seconds to open but UI animation wise I can said it is extremely smooth and no frame drops, just you need to accept it take 2 to 4 seconds to open an apps. No issue for playing any kind of games include heavy 3D games.
Multitasking - 2 GB RAM definitely not good enough for multitasking, most apps redraw after seat background for sometimes.
Design - I actually find it kind of pretty and the black color does't look plastic to me with nice finish.
Pure Android 7.0 Experience - Opening the camera is lagging and slow which took around 4 seconds with bad and lag on the camera that need around another 2 seconds to steady back, I really dislike the camera opening performance, overall UI performance is smooth. The split screen is really nice to use also, simple and support nearly all apps
Pure Android 7.1.1 Experience - This is still under development preview but I find it far better than Android 7.0, it finally solved the camera opening lag and slow issue, the camera is smooth opening now within 2 seconds or sometimes instant, the lag is completely gone. The overall UI is pretty smooth and overall feel much smoother than before. I definitely won't go back and I don't find any issue at all in this 1st 7.1.1 preview. The apps shortcut is really cool and fun to play, useful for certain apps for example camera and phone. Hope this get utilize by third party apps in future. I really like the Android 7.1.1 just too bad Google decide not include the awesome Pixel Launcher and Google Assistant. Lucky I can manually load the Pixel Launcher and it will be my permanent launcher in this Nexus 5x as it just simply the best launcher ever done by Google, simple, beauty and smooth everywhere. For Google Assistant wise I just left it for Google Pixel. Not intend to root just simply for that.
Camera - Now I know why previously Nexus 6p or 5x owner so please with the camera, the photo output quality is extremely great, I love it color which not too dull and not too vibrant, it just simply look nice and sharp but not over sharpening like S7 Edge which look fake. The focus also ok, not the faster but ok, at least it is faster than P9 Plus but surely can't compete with S7 Edge focusing speed. Night time photo also no issue, it look nice and they do have grain but the grain is nice color grain and well control in acceptable level. In short, the camera is simply gorgeous!
Loud Speaker - loud and clear, no distortion, just too bad not stereo.
Battery Life - in Android 7.0 sometimes it can last a day, in Android 7.1.1 I notice it always can last a day, but for more than a day is impossible. I am an average user and connecting to my Huawei watch all time except sleep time. It is ok but not as stunning as my previous phone Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and Huawei P9 Plus.
This phone is for you if you want to taste pure android with stunning screen, camera and cheap price.
My summary scores
Screen - 10/10
Performance - 7/10
Multitasking - 2/10
Design - 8/10
Pure Android 7.0 Experience - 7/10
Pure Android 7.1.1 Experience - 9/10
Camera - 9/10
Loud Speaker - 6/10
Battery Life - 6/10
Overall 7/10
Sample Look of my current Nexus 5x interface using Pixel Launcher and running Android 7.1.1 Developer Preview.
Sample photos taken with Nexus 5x
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Mate, how did You put the weather widget there? The photos are great, our nexus 5x is just insane, it's well balanced (performance-price), i just love quick charging option and the fingerprint speed.
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Mate, how did You put the weather widget there? The photos are great, our nexus 5x is just insane, it's well balanced (performance-price), i just love quick charging option and the fingerprint speed.
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The weather is functioning in latest Pixel Launcher from Play Store.
You just need to ask Google Now "show me weather now", and it will detect your weather and later it will automatically appear there.
great review, i must say totally agree with all you said, with rm1k the price for performance is great, 1malaysia :victory:
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The weather is functioning in latest Pixel Launcher from Play Store.
You just need to ask Google Now "show me weather now", and it will detect your weather and later it will automatically appear there.
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Any more tips for this? I am trying like mad but cant get weather to show on home screen.
I have both google now and pixel launcher installed (pixel as my default home).
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Any more tips for this? I am trying like mad but cant get weather to show on home screen.
I have both google now and pixel launcher installed (pixel as my default home).
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Hi, did you install latest Pixel Launcher where publish at Play Store? The one leak at XDA forum can't show weather, only the new release version at Play Store can.
You need to get it from others source as Play Store won't let you install if you not using Pixel Phone.
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...-launcher-7-1-1-3359438-android-apk-download/
The latest beta for Nova Launcher added long press options and a weather option.
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Would be nice if there was a widget you can use on any launcher that loads the weather. Weird that you can't find the shortcut
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Any more tips for this? I am trying like mad but cant get weather to show on home screen.
I have both google now and pixel launcher installed (pixel as my default home).
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There is a way to do it I saw it a week or so ago. I believe it was in Google in settings find the feed option and turn it off. Then back on again and you should get weather in a little bit. Not immediately, but pretty quickly. If you can't find the method post back and I'll search for you. I just forgot exactly where I saw it. Maybe it was G+.
One of these things should work. http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...37597-weather-widget-home-screen-missing.html
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There is a way to do it I saw it a week or so ago. I believe it was in Google in settings find the feed option and turn it off. Then back on again and you should get weather in a little bit. Not immediately, but pretty quickly. If you can't find the method post back and I'll search for you. I just forgot exactly where I saw it. Maybe it was G+.
One of these things should work. http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...37597-weather-widget-home-screen-missing.html
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They actually made an easy "Add to home screen" available now. Just Google search weather, tap the current weather for more detail, tap the burger menu in the top left corner, then you'll see this:
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Oh you can forget my tip. It's regarding the Google Now weather shortcut. Not the widget.