Hello,
I am one of those who are looking for a 8inch windows 8.1 china tablet with high specs at a decent price (<150$). I opened this thread because I can not decide which one to choose and I am sure this would be useful for future possible buyers of such tablets.
So, I have found so far 4 options:
1. Teclast X80h
2. PIPO W2F
3. Voyo a1 mini
4. ONDA V820w
Prices range from 110$ to 145$
They all share mostly the same specs:
-IPS 1280x800 display (16:10)
-1.83gHz Z3735F Intel Atom processor quad-core
-2GB DDR3 RAM
-32GB internal memory
-4200 to 5000mAh batteries (Onda 4200mah, Pipo 4500mah, Teclast and Voyo 5000mah)
Onda V820w is the newest tablet and it should be the most valuable since it supports SD cards up to 128GB. I wanted to buy it right away despite the slightly lower battery capacity. 32GB for Windows really is not much at all. The only thing that stopped me buying it was TinyDeal support: they said is it worse than Teclast and PIPO quality-wise. This is why I opened this thread. I started looking for tablets and these 4 I came up with.
Teclast X80h: I did not find any review yet to say anything bad about this tablet. I guess it would be a safe buy, but because of lack of negative feedback I am in doubt of buying (sounds crazy haha. I am just saying that perhaps those who had problems just not wrote on review section on tinydeal/aliexpress). In January 31st it will be released dual OS - Android and Windows 8.1 dual bootable version of X80h. I thought that we could upgrade the tablet as well to dual OS? (I am asking since I do not know)
PIPO W2F: TinyDeal support also told me that this one is better than Teclast X80h. Why? They did not mention anything, they said that it is simply better quality and people prefer this. So, again I am in doubts about this one. I remember looking for PIPO P1 a month ago and heard that it has some issues that tablet with the sound, it overheats and so on.
Voyo A1 mini: I've read about 3 negative feedbacks on aliexpress about this one: all related to the touchscreen and one also mentioned some problem with an unsoldered wire that solved it by himself.
I just simply can't decide. Honestly, the 128GB SD support of Onda V820w really grabbed all my attention, but I want something that will not break after a month or two.
Those who have experience with these tablets/own one please help us, the ones who are looking for such tablets, with a review: cons and pros and what you recommend.
Links:
Onda: http://www.tinydeal.com/onda-v820w-8-windows-81-z3735f-2gb-32g-tablet-pc-w-bluetooth-p-142197.html
Voyo: http://www.tinydeal.com/voyo-a1mini-8-windows-81-atom-quad-core-z3735f-tablet-pc-p-132752.html
Teclast: http://www.tinydeal.com/teclast-x80h-8-windows-81-atom-z3735f-tablet-pc-w-bluetooth-p-137495.html
PIPO: http://www.tinydeal.com/pipo-w2f-8-windows-81-atom-z3735f-tablet-pc-w-bluetooth-40-p-140654.html
On Aliexpress they are cheaper, except for Onda.
I can only speak for the Voyo: it supports 128GB microSD and no lose wires or bad touchscreen.
jockyw2001 said:
I can only speak for the Voyo: it supports 128GB microSD and no lose wires or bad touchscreen.
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Ok. That is something i did not know. On TinyDeal they say up to 64GB. I've also seen more reviews with weird/laggy touchscreen response. Could you make a brief review? For example, for how long have you had it? Have you had any problems? How has been your experience with it since now? Etc..
I decided to go for Teclast X80h.
PIPO (in general) and Voyo (A1 mini) are cheaply-made rubbish tablets. Problems encountered by many people: battery fail for PIPO, touchscreen and charging port gets defective for A1 mini. Both heat like hell, especially when charging. So, do not buy those cr*ps. As for Onda I did not even bother to look for reviews. TinyDeal themselves said not to buy it, so I will not. I am sure they know why, only that they did not want to tell me.
Teclast is the best chinese tablet maker on the market. They really advance with the technology. They introduced the Dual-OS on chinese tablets, starting with X98 Air and now X80h also come with dual-OS, has 5000mAh but supports only 32GB microSD card for about 135$. That's about it. Reliability over functionality.
As for the xda members "thanks" a lot for your help. I don't even know why I even bothered to write this thread.
I'm looking at purchasing the Pipo W6.
Is it everyones consensus here that Pipo make crappy products and I should stay away?
here are the specs:
pipo-store.com/pipo-w6-3g-tablet-pc-quad-core-8-9-inch-1920x1200-window-8-1-2gb-32gb.html
I recommend you Teclast X90HD. Muuuuch better screen and better quality overall. Teclast is the best chinese brand for tablet.
Check it on Aliexpress, price is about the same.
root?
hello ... I also decided to buy this tablet rather than the 'x98 air because I prefer a more compact format but I liked the dual boot .... I have noticed, however, that there isn't a community behind this tablet, unlike the x98 air and I can not find a way to root ... Any ideas ???
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hello ... I also decided to buy this tablet rather than the 'x98 air because I prefer a more compact format but I liked the dual boot .... I have noticed, however, that there isn't a community behind this tablet, unlike the x98 air and I can not find a way to root ... Any ideas ???
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I guess it will take some time until a community will build up. I will go for X80h as well when it gets released. Wanted to get Onda's v891w, but it's not worth it. Onda has serious hardware issues. Too many people has complained especially about V975w, so no, I'll stick with Teclast.
Was not come out? I have ordered on tinydeal (still to come) and wrote that it are dual boot and has installed both windows and Android ....
AfXv237 said:
I recommend you Teclast X90HD. Muuuuch better screen and better quality overall. Teclast is the best chinese brand for tablet.
Check it on Aliexpress, price is about the same.
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Teclast is a very reliable brand, and has been making protable multimedia players for many years, not a bad choice, but they are not the best, Have you heard of Lenovo, they are better, but also, they are not the best.
I ask to teclast customer services for the root and they reply me i can use the same toolkit used on x98 air...
As soon i can, i will try on my teclast x80h....
AfXv237 said:
I recommend you Teclast X90HD. Muuuuch better screen and better quality overall. Teclast is the best chinese brand for tablet.
Check it on Aliexpress, price is about the same.
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Just bought an X90HD, but the invisible dividing line in the middle of screen (whatever you wanna call it!) is kinda annoying
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bbs.teclast.co*/forum-94-1.html
there are couple of threads here that this issue has been discussed
it's not only the visibility issue, sometimes (especially when you split the screen for multitasking) screen literally splits and you have to restart. there are some speculations that it might get fixed with BIOS upgrade but doesn't look too promising as the line is there even in the BIOS itself. i have not seen any Teclast official staff responding to this phenomena and that makes it more unlikely to resolve
is there anyway that i can get in touch with Teclast technical team? my only source for now is the Teclast forum which is in chinese and google translator can be inaccurate sometimes
I would go with Teclast X80h. Its quite a good tablet.
I'm suprised there isn't a thread yet about the teclast x80h as it is now a dual os device also.
I own one and for the price it is a steal, full windows pc in the form of a tablet. paid 120usd for it.
I looked at the spec, but the 5 points touchscreen is a no-go for me.
Can any body tell me about the battery life
Ashrash said:
Just bought an X90HD, but the invisible dividing line in the middle of screen (whatever you wanna call it!) is kinda annoying
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bbs.teclast.co*/forum-94-1.html
there are couple of threads here that this issue has been discussed
it's not only the visibility issue, sometimes (especially when you split the screen for multitasking) screen literally splits and you have to restart. there are some speculations that it might get fixed with BIOS upgrade but doesn't look too promising as the line is there even in the BIOS itself. i have not seen any Teclast official staff responding to this phenomena and that makes it more unlikely to resolve
is there anyway that i can get in touch with Teclast technical team? my only source for now is the Teclast forum which is in chinese and google translator can be inaccurate sometimes
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anyone same issue? is it common?
Has anyone found a good gel/tpu case for it? I only see book type of cases.
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Hi all,
Not seen a thread about this new tablet from Huawei yet. In the UK it is going to be exclusive to Expansys - http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
A quick list of specs,
- Snapdragon 768MHZ
- 256MB RAM
- MicroSD slot
- 7" 800x480 screen (CAPACITIVE!!)
- Sim card slot, supporting HSPA/UMTS
- WiFi 11b/g/n
- 3.5mm stereo audio jack
- 2mp camera
- 2200mAh battery
Now for me, this seems REALLY good, as an alternative to the iPad. Although it is more than twice as expensive as other Chinese Android tablets, its spec is far superior and because it is made by a reputable company, the quality is likely to be much better than the currently available junk.
At first I thought it was Wifi only without 3G, but now that I found that it has, I am not even going to consider the iPad, especially seeing as HTC has yet to make a tablet anyway. So yep so far it looks really good.
What is not clear, is whether it has GPS and multi-touch.
I am wondering if there is going to be a section for this device over here at XDA Dev?
Thinking about it, isn't 800x480 a bit too low?
I've been looking into this as I'm interested in one.
From what I've read Huawei haven't even released the specifications of this yet - it may even have a resistive screen and looks like it won't be available until August anyway!
If you find any more info on it, let us know!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6979170#post6979170
I think Expansys said they will have it in stock (UK) next week.
But yea, wouldn't put money in yet until there are reviews to read.
If you have a look at this vid, it shows a stylus so it definitely looks as if it's a resistive screen.
http://techpinger.com/2010/06/watch-huawei-smakit-s7-android-tablet-hands-on-and-first-look-video/
But the fingering operation seems too smooth for a resistive screen?
Either way I hope we find out next week!
If it turns out to be just a polished turd then, well the iPad will be on the card again...
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But the fingering operation seems too smooth for a resistive screen?
Either way I hope we find out next week!
If it turns out to be just a polished turd then, well the iPad will be on the card again...
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Yep, it's resistive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQjOMGhuS3k
Don't want an iPad though...
Oh crap!!!
* writes off another device on the list *
She has a nice accent though.
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Oh crap!!!
* writes off another device on the list *
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I'm not sure myself. I'm still considering it - like you say it does have a very responsive screen resistive or not...
Or do you know of any other similar devices to be released soon that have a capacitive screen (not an iPad ) that would be worth looking at?
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She has a nice accent though.
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Yeah, what is it?
The thing is, I have a Toshiba TG01, which at the time was said to have a "really responsive resistive screen", and the reality is that it's nowhere near a real capacitive. In fact even my spare dodgy Samsung Symbian feature phone with a cheapest possible capacitive screen is more responsive.
I wouldn't mind resistive so much on a Windows PC tablet (in fact I have a few, still in use), but on a mobile fingery tablet, it is definitely a deal breaker for me.
One thing that is worth looking at is the Ramos W7. But it has been delayed again and again, and the places that are going to sell it are a bit dodgy... And you know what the usual problems a small Chinese brand could bring. The spec and price point look very nice as a Dell Streak alternative though. I can see myself using it on the toilet a lot, which at the moment an iPod Touch does this particular job for me, if that is not too much detail for you.
God damn it I wish HTC would make one!
I wouldn't buy a tablet with a capacitive screen. Capacitive means no handwriting (with pen), and I want my tablet to replace my old paper notebook. Resistive screens also have much higher accuracy, which could be useful in some applications (like spreadsheets).
My old Touch Pro 2 is working pretty well, despite the resistive screen.
I had a good look at this and was very tempted as i wanted an android tablet it looks very good they say the bad points are
No multitasking and no built in memory,
In the end i went for the Dell Streak and i am glad i did it blows the icrap stuff out of the water
link bellow
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
nilezon said:
I wouldn't buy a tablet with a capacitive screen. Capacitive means no handwriting (with pen), and I want my tablet to replace my old paper notebook. Resistive screens also have much higher accuracy, which could be useful in some applications (like spreadsheets).
My old Touch Pro 2 is working pretty well, despite the resistive screen.
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Sounds like you are in the market for a PC-tablet rather than a media/entertainment-tablet like the one we are discussing.
I have a few Fujitsu tablets and also had some UMPCs with Windows 7 and resistive tech works very very well on them. Not quite the same case with these iOS/Android tablets though.
I dunno there is no lack of competition for the ipad. Everyone and their brother is releasing numerous models. I personally am partial to ASUS and plan on going that route. I heard they will have 2 versions. A windows OS and an Android OS. Heres some other options
http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/9-upcoming-tablet-alternatives-to-the-apple-ipad/
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Sounds like you are in the market for a PC-tablet rather than a media/entertainment-tablet like the one we are discussing.
I have a few Fujitsu tablets and also had some UMPCs with Windows 7 and resistive tech works very very well on them. Not quite the same case with these iOS/Android tablets though.
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I guess you're right.
I would love a linux powered tablet. An iPad with Ubuntu and a resistive screen.
I've got a OQO 01, but that's not really the same. It's too small.
Do you have any suggestions?
Well, there are a (small) number of netvertibles to choose from. Gigabyte's TouchNote seems to be especially popular and can be had for cheap second hand, but Asus has a new EEE netvertible too. If money was no object, Fujitsu does have a nice range with CULV processors.
They all come with keyboards though. If you are desperate a true tablet, Archos 9 is coming out next week... But I'll be very wary of Archos's quality and support!!
EDIT:
I tried Ubuntu Netbook Remix on one of mine by the way, and in my opinion it is quite unfinished... There are number of problems with device drivers too. Things might have changed since, but I'd rather have something that just works.
wywywywy said:
Hi all,
Not seen a thread about this new tablet from Huawei yet. In the UK it is going to be exclusive to Expansys - http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
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I've just been looking around at this again, mainly because it seems that it's going to be the best available Android 2.1 tablet around for a while...
Anyway, it seems as if eXpansys UK were lying about it being exclusive to them because Play.com, Clove Technology, Handtec and others have this for sale too. They're all cheaper than eXpansys too.
Hmm, still thinking about getting one. Anyone else? Forum on XDA for it too?
Expansys has posted their own (obviously positive) review.
http://www.expansys.com/blog/?p=785
But it is more of an advert than a review.
Huawei S7
So I picked up the Cruz Reader, the Cruz Tablet and the Huawei S7 this weekend over at Best Buy, and the only one that I am keeping is the S7. Even with the TFT as opposed to the Capacitive Screen on the Cruz Tablet, the Huawei is better in every regard.
I will be posting more details separately for each device later today, but for right now, I would say don't even bother with the Cruz devices.
I am really curious about the Huawei Ideos S7. I have not seen much video of the actual retail version that is available now at Best Buy. I ordered a Maylong M150, but have been waiting for weeks for it. I know the Huawei is 3 times the price, but 2.1 with actual non hacked market access kinda seems worth it. I am curious about the battery life, though.
I've bought a few tablets from this company and they're great. Cheap, work well, and the support is very good. The most recent tablet I got is the basically the same as this one: review here. But when I went to buy another for my brother they now include a case (neoprene), 8GB SanDisk microSD card and the tablet is laser etched with their logo on the back (looks pretty cool and is pretty subtle). I paid $10 more than the last tablet without the card or case - so $10 for an 8GB card and case is pretty good. All in all a great deal for the price. I've had a bunch of cheap tablets and these are by far the best. The metal housing is a nice touch and really makes them feel solid (and the wifi works great, doesn't seem to interfere). I also really like the fact they come rooted (don't even need superuser) and with a USB host cable (all tablets should include this). They ship really fast too, only took 2 days to get the first 2 tablets and 3 days for the last.
Here's the amazon link
Specs from Amazon:
~ Google Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich OS (4.0.3 is currently loaded)
~ 7" 800x480 capacitive 5 points-touch IPS screen
~ A10 ARM processor running at 1.2 GHz - 1.5GHz (1.29 is the fastest I've been able to run stably at)
~ 8GB internal storage + 8GB MicroSD card pre-installed (support up to 64GB)
~ 4-dimensional G-sensor Screen
~ 512MB DDR3 RAM
~ 0.3MP front camera
~ WiFi 802.11b/g (speeds up to 54mbs)
~ Google Play (formerly Google Market) installed
~ Flash 11.1 installed
Thats a good deal...but although it's up to date running the latest firmware where would you find any future development for the device? I ask if I were to buy one for myself (have a Kindle Fire) but I do know a few people that wouldn't mind a tablet like this Thanks for the find!
erad1 said:
Thats a good deal...but although it's up to date running the latest firmware where would you find any future development for the device? I ask if I were to buy one for myself (have a Kindle Fire) but I do know a few people that wouldn't mind a tablet like this Thanks for the find!
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Not sure about future development but I'm sure there are people here working on it. The tablet is based of off the A10 platform as far as I know and as prices come down more people will be working on developing them further. For the price, it's by far the nicest "cheap" tablet I've had and I've tried a ton of other no name tabs - Aniol, Coby, PanDigital, Velocity, Superpad, etc., this one is by far the best...
Anyone else tried this tablet?
Is there another link to this product anywhere else? I am interested in buying it but amazon.com doesnt ship to Canada.
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Is there another link to this product anywhere else? I am interested in buying it but amazon.com doesnt ship to Canada.
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I second this as I wouldnt mind getting one for my 7yo.
This looks awesome but I can't find anything on (this) Magnus brand though...
(maybe they have some other cool tablets...)
I don't mean to paint with a broad brush, but I got a bad taste in my mouth when I purchased a PanDigital 7" tablet. The screen touch sensitivity was horrible. It was alternately slow to react and over sensitive. I had to return it.
My guess is not all have the same problem but without benefit of multiple honest reviews, I'm staying away from the lower tier of tablets.
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I don't mean to paint with a broad brush, but I got a bad taste in my mouth when I purchased a PanDigital 7" tablet. The screen touch sensitivity was horrible. It was alternately slow to react and over sensitive. I had to return it.
My guess is not all have the same problem but without benefit of multiple honest reviews, I'm staying away from the lower tier of tablets.
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There are some pretty good lowered tier tablets, like ainol. You just need to find the correct forums that has custom ROMs from developers.
slatedroid.com
tabletrepublic.com
best advice, is to research before you buy.
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I don't mean to paint with a broad brush, but I got a bad taste in my mouth when I purchased a PanDigital 7" tablet. The screen touch sensitivity was horrible. It was alternately slow to react and over sensitive. I had to return it.
My guess is not all have the same problem but without benefit of multiple honest reviews, I'm staying away from the lower tier of tablets.
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The screen on the one's I've received has been very responsive, pretty much on par with my Xoom (just a tad, and I mean milliseconds, slower to react).
Also, when I went to use a 64gb microsd it worked without a hitch. On my Xoom I had to reformat the card to get it to work. On the Magnus Tab it just worked...
After realizing that I dont need a powerful Core i3, i5, or i7 laptop for my daily use, but do need long battery life similar to the tf700 in a sleek chassis that's preferably fanless, I've been trying to find a good looking, Clover Trail Atom 11"-13" Windows 8 generation laptop/netbook, but it seems that everything is a hybrid I got excited when I saw the Lenovo IdeaPad 11", but to my dismay, it's running RT via ARM. Such a missed opportunity. Recalling my time with the Asus Transformer Infinifty TF700, and how that was a great piece of hardware (minus the flimsy dock + Asus' bugs) I've decided to fold and get a hybrid + a large DropBox account. After looking through the Googles, and YouTubes, it seems that my best bet would be the TF810. Only issue I'm having is I live in the states. Another issue is it's price. It's waaaay too close to a Acer S7 11" variant which was what I originally planned on buying, if that's what I'd have to pay then I'd pay it. From what I've seen and read, the new Atom processors
run Windows 8 relatively flawlessly. I do not plan on playing games on it at all.
My purposes for a laptop are:
YouTube, Netflix, Hulu+, HBOgo
Light Image editing via GIMP
Google Docs and Office Suit for on the go doc editing
(hence the need for long battery)
RSS reading when not using my iPad mini
Google Chrome + extensions
LTE would be a plus, but I can tether.
What are your suggestions for me?
Thanks for your time.
Your needs and observations are similar to my ones.
I have question though, and how is you being in USA an issue in all this?
From what I know at least you will get better price on your device than we in Europe
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Have you considered the Acer W510? From what I understand from your post, it should fit right in your pocket
Now one thing the build quality isn't on pair with say an ipad or a surface tablet, but then again its quite cheap, and personally I really like it
//M
W510 would be okay if you just wanted a tablet without a keyboard. The keyboard doesn't seem that good, and keyboards on a 10 inch tablet are too cramped. And if I was just getting a tablet, the upcoming ASUS ME400 looks a lot better.
I like the Samsung 500T, it's what I have. It's downside is the glossy plastic back is a bit slippery and no secondary battery. It's upsides is a full sized USB port on the tablet, front facing speakers (which are a kinda weak at times though), and a pen with a convenient storage slot. Also Samsung seems to be doing pretty well so far with driver updates.
Another possibility I like is the Lenovo Lynx. This huge downside to this one seems to be the 32GB limit on the micro SD slot (I'm kind of hoping this is a mistake in the specs, seems odd to not support SDXC), also has no pen. The upside is the quality looks really nice and Lenovo usually has great keyboards.
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Have you considered the Acer W510? From what I understand from your post, it should fit right in your pocket
Now one thing the build quality isn't on pair with say an ipad or a surface tablet, but then again its quite cheap, and personally I really like it
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I did. 10" is just not enough for work. 11-12" seems to be the best compromise between fun/mobility/tablet itself usability and work mode in laptop look (I don't know if what I just said makes any sense).
Since I want to use this device for watching films I am glad they are limited to 1366x768 res.
Netflix, Hulu+, HBO Go and 720 p mkv dont look that good on Full HD screen.
Also Atom would struggle even more with higher res and battery life would be shorter.
My takeaway from CES 2013 reports is that the second wave of Win8 toys will be better than the first (2012) wave in every way: availability/functionality/performance/price. These should start dribbling out in spring, and pricing will come down for back-to-school in Aug, perhaps sooner. I would not consider a 1st-gen Win8 device at this point, not unless there's a substantial discount--that includes the Surface Pro. Of course, it depends on whether you can wait.
My second takeaway from CES is that RT is on life support. Virtually all of the CES roll-out was about x86. Big vendors like Samsung and HP won't have RT models. Whether RT dies or not will depend on MS' handling of it, which has been spectacularly incompetent thus far. I think it will live on, if only because MS will need ARM to compete against Android at the $200-300 price points. But as of now, RT has no value proposition to speak of.
It's not only the hardware that is v1.0. Win8 is a v1.0 as well, and will take time to get over the teething issues. I fully expect a point upgrade (or SP) by summer at latest, in time for back-to-school. I think it'll be a point upgrade, as Windows 8 has a stigma attached in the eyes of the public, and a 8.1 or 8.5 is the simplest PR method to convey improvements.
Succinctly, Win8 RTM (and associated hardware) in 2012 was basically a second public beta. The real launch will be by Q3 and Q4 2013. Whatever you buy today will be substantially outmoded by year-end, so I would stay away from anything too expensive. Think stopgap.
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My takeaway from CES 2013 reports is that the second wave of Win8 toys will be better than the first (2012) wave in every way: availability/functionality/performance/price.
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Isn't it the usually way with everything in IT/electronic world?
I can also bet that 3rd generation will be better than the 2nd and in some cases we might see it by the end of this year...?
I don't mind W8 issues and hardware that will be "old" in few months as long as it will do what I need it to do.
I also would not be so harsh with Windows 8. Either they run out of time or inconsistency between Modern Ui and Destkop mode was not that visible for those who created system as they worked with it every single day + they are advanced user not "Mr Joe Public".
They need small SP (mostly for essential programs like Mail or IE) so that they can work "as one" in both modes - sort of like Chrome today.
Second thing is inconsistency between operations in two modes. Right click on the mouse should show more similar functions (like lack of properties in modern ui).
Anyway - for me question is - which hybrid with screen of 11" will be/is the best and will last longest.
As much as I am scared of Asus Warranty service in Poland it look like TF810 is the best choice.
I just bought 128GB SSD for W8 in my desktop (old C2Q machine) and the only thing that bothers me is size of "HD" (64GB) in those devices... seems to me that W8 Pro truly needs 120/128GB + sd extension for nice, long-haul relation ship.
I agree with e.mote.
First generations tend to be the most rough. It's called the bleeding edge of technology for a good reason. Your second to third generation they usually have the design issues mostly figured out, the drivers issues resolved, and it's mostly about performance. But this first generation, there are lots of mistakes being made, lessons to be learned, and problems yet to be fixed. The first generation is the beta test for the die hards willing to pay for it.
I don't mind - just want to get the best device out of those bad ones
I need it for almost everyday work - I write a lot an I need something like that - at the same time ultrabooks are to big, laptop blow hot air... so... hybrid with atom looks like a best choice...
And will allow me to keep ipad "evening comfort"
>Isn't it the usually way with everything in IT/electronic world?
It's the old chestnut: Buy whenever you want, because tech will always get cheaper/better. But as savvy shoppers know, product releases are seasonal, and certain times are better than others to buy things. As well, veteran users of Microsoft products know that MS v1.0 is not where you want to be.
>I can also bet that 3rd generation will be better than the 2nd and in some cases we might see it by the end of this year...?
That's an interesting remark, as the usual PC cycle is annual, but recently we've seen multiple product intros within the same year, eg the iPad 3 & 4 last year. That's due to the quickened pace of competition n a wide-open market. Then, all the more reason not to buy into a v1.0 if possible, because a v2.0 is only a few months off. That's where the biggest functionality jump lies. 2.0->3.0 is usually more incremental.
>Anyway - for me question is - which hybrid with screen of 11" will be/is the best and will last longest.
Your selection will be broader come spring/summer, as opposed to the handful available at this point. This is the worst time of the year to buy new PC gear. As said, it depends on whether you can wait.
There is also the larger question of whether hybrid as a category will fly, or will it suffer from the neither-fish-nor-fowl syndrome. There haven't been enough models out yet to judge, but we'll find out this year. Surface Pro will be a bellwether.
For now I will wait since the only device in Polish shops is (are, as there are two) Ativ Tabs.
I will wait until I can compare them (touch them) in the shops and than decide.
I definitely have get device before summer as I will not be able to work away from home
Since I do not think 2nd gen will be out till summer I may get one now.
If W8 will be slow and if 1st gen hybrids with W8 will be slow I don't think manufacturers will rush with 2nd gen.
Atom hybrids are supposed to replace netbooks but not with this price level, especially that we have the likes of Asus X202 (small laptop with touch screen) that are much cheaper.
I guess we will see some premiers in autumn, lots of marketing talk, shows, etc... but it will take some time before they will actually get to the shops. Few manufacturers will make it in time for X-mass but again it will be worth to wait until all of them are in the shops.
This way I would never buy anything as 3rd gen would be "right behind the corner" .
If it will have nice screen, keyboard to write and will play movies + no fan and log battery life I can have it now.
It will be way better than Android Transformers
hello all,
my university gives a 400 pounds credit to buy from studentstore.uk i was planning to get a windows 8 tab but they dont stock sony,asus or dell products .i was planning to get a baytrail tablet like dell venue pro 11.with a maximum budget of 600 pounds(400+200).
so my only option is to get an acer w700 with i3,4gb ram 64 gb memory available for 570 pounds.or wait till samsung,lenovo and acer brings in 10-11 inch baytrail tablet.
so do you think its a good idea to get w700 or just wait till others comes with baytrail tablets(any idea when on earth they will launch it ).?
At this late date, what you see (in the MS store) are what'll be available for this Q4.
My suggestion is to ignore the one-device-fits-all PR hype and get two devices: a 12"-13" laptop for productivity, and a separate tablet for portable use. The meat-and-potato work box comes first, obviously. For my college days, I used a 12" IBM Thinkpad X series, which I lugged everywhere. It wasn't light, but it was built like a tank. The bottom line for me wasn't about best speed or battery life, but good old reliability.
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hello all,
my university gives a 400 pounds credit to buy from studentstore.uk i was planning to get a windows 8 tab but they dont stock sony,asus or dell products .i was planning to get a baytrail tablet like dell venue pro 11.with a maximum budget of 600 pounds(400+200).
so my only option is to get an acer w700 with i3,4gb ram 64 gb memory available for 570 pounds.or wait till samsung,lenovo and acer brings in 10-11 inch baytrail tablet.
so do you think its a good idea to get w700 or just wait till others comes with baytrail tablets(any idea when on earth they will launch it ).?
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Your choice definitely depends on what you plan to do with it. Do you want something that will serve as a PC as well as a tablet, or just a portable typing device, or just for entertainment? I've also heard that those who do computer science/programming degrees, you'll want something a lot more powerful. However, for humanities subjects, i'm sure an i3 will be just fine.
If you ask me, you should never get anything Acer made.
SammiSaysHello said:
Your choice definitely depends on what you plan to do with it. Do you want something that will serve as a PC as well as a tablet, or just a portable typing device, or just for entertainment? I've also heard that those who do computer science/programming degrees, you'll want something a lot more powerful. However, for humanities subjects, i'm sure an i3 will be just fine.
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i dont want an ultra book or laptop since i already have a laptop.i want a windows 8 tablet which is thin light and with good battery backup.
Deusdies said:
If you ask me, you should never get anything Acer made.
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i had acer desktop (in 2005) then an acer laptop (bought in 2009) and then another one in 2011(which iam still using) my brother has an acer s3 ultrabook.
i never had any problem with acer till now, also one of my relative works at acer service centre.
rkoforever90 said:
i had acer desktop (in 2005) then an acer laptop (bought in 2009) and then another one in 2011(which iam still using) my brother has an acer s3 ultrabook.
i never had any problem with acer till now, also one of my relative works at acer service centre.
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My experience with the acer repair service isn't great, just got my w700 back and it has gained a load of scratches (came back quite dirty as well) and the rubber section on the back which they clearly removed to open it up hasn't been stuck down properly and now comes away from the case.
Also OP you should be aware that Acer support in general is awful, they delete posts on the forums they don't like (mainly people complaining about the terrible support) and there is a throttling issue with the i5 version which they refuse to fix, you should check out the 52 page thread on their forums which has been going on for over a year.
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My experience with the acer repair service isn't great, just got my w700 back and it has gained a load of scratches (came back quite dirty as well) and the rubber section on the back which they clearly removed to open it up hasn't been stuck down properly and now comes away from the case.
Also OP you should be aware that Acer support in general is awful, they delete posts on the forums they don't like (mainly people complaining about the terrible support) and there is a throttling issue with the i5 version which they refuse to fix, you should check out the 52 page thread on their forums which has been going on for over a year.
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the problem is i dont have an option to purchase other than student store u.k and they dont have much options either.
you can have a look and suggest if anything better is there for the price.
http://www.studentstore.co.uk/getech/all-manufacturers/Tablets/for-students.aspx
What subject are you studying at university/what is the tablet required for?
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What subject are you studying at university/what is the tablet required for?
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iam doing mechanical engineering.mostly i need it for entertainment purpose, taking notes , power point presentations etc. but i have a laptop also .
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iam doing mechanical engineering.mostly i need it for entertainment purpose, taking notes , power point presentations etc. but i have a laptop also .
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That should be fine. You don't need something very powerful for that. Actually, I only had an Android tablet (Xperia Tablet S) to do that and it handled those kind of tasks fine for me.
PowerPoint you can install on the device anyway so your fine on that front (uni may offer it for free too). Entertainment is up to you. Note taking should be fine, depends on if you are OK with touch keyboards/small keyboards or not, or using a touchscreen to write with (to my knowledge there is no wacom or synaptics stylus, only the bog standard touch screen).
SixSixSevenSeven said:
PowerPoint you can install on the device anyway so your fine on that front (uni may offer it for free too). Entertainment is up to you. Note taking should be fine, depends on if you are OK with touch keyboards/small keyboards or not, or using a touchscreen to write with (to my knowledge there is no wacom or synaptics stylus, only the bog standard touch screen).
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so which model of acer w700 you own?.how is the overall experience and battery backup?
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so which model of acer w700 you own?.how is the overall experience and battery backup?
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I dont
Since I have an Acer W700 tablet, I would let you know something about the W700. I will compare it mostly with the Surface Pro because its a gold standard for Intel Core tablets
First thing first, W700 lacks the active digitizer. Don't expect writing and drawing to feel like the Surface Pro or Galaxy Note. Its far from it. I use Adonit Jot stylus, it helps a lot compared to other styli or finger input, but still nowhere as good as the Surface Pro.
Second, the battery last like Haswell tablets. This tablet is insane in term of battery life. I mostly get 6-7 hours for my usage. I use this tablets mostly for browsing, downloading, playing casual games, taking notes (OneNote FTW!), watching videos/movies and listening to music. If you look for an Ivy Bridge tablet that last like Haswell tablets, this is the only one.
Third, since I mentioned videos, movies, and music, I would say this tablet has great screen and speaker. The speaker is great for a tablet. If you enable the Dolby enhancement, the speaker will get louder (with some distortion), on par with cheaper multimedia laptops. Definitely better than the Surface Pro. The screen is also better than any tablet screen Ive ever used.
Fourth, it has no great keyboard solution. Unlike the Surface Pro which has options like the Type and Touch cover, the W700 relies on a Bluetooth keyboard or a case with integrated Bluetooth keyboard. Consult the seller first on which version you get. I would recommend the former since the latter is not comfortable (very, very thin), it is nice though. If you are a bit unlucky like me, youll get neither of them. I got a Perixx 804 Bluetooth keyboard for €25, and it works reliably over Bluetooth. This keyboard feels like a keyboard from Acer V5 or most Sony VAIOs (a bit harder than MacBooks)
Fifth, it has WiFi issue. This issue plagues mostly early generation of this tablet, but you might get this as well. On my W700, I have no problem with the disconnection. However, the signal is not as good as other devices. Usually, when the other devices still get 1 bar of signal, the W700 has lost connection.
Sixth, its graphic performance is not as great as how a HD4000 should be. The GPU suffers from bad throttling, making the performance only comparable to HD3000 GPU on most laptops (I tried with i5-2410M)
Overall, this tablet is geared towards entertainment (great screen and speaker) than business/work (no active digitizer and no keyboard solution). This device is great if you want to use one device rather than two (tablet+laptop), but don't expect too much. Since Haswell tablets are just behind the corner, I would suggest you to wait for some affordable Haswell tablets. However, if you cant wait, I would recommend this device over any Atom tablets unless you need an active digitizer.
My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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Thermal throttling on the i5 model seems very common, yet rare on the i3 model
patrick_spd4u said:
Since I have an Acer W700 tablet, I would let you know something about the W700. I will compare it mostly with the Surface Pro because its a gold standard for Intel Core tablets
First thing first, W700 lacks the active digitizer. Don't expect writing and drawing to feel like the Surface Pro or Galaxy Note. Its far from it. I use Adonit Jot stylus, it helps a lot compared to other styli or finger input, but still nowhere as good as the Surface Pro.
Second, the battery last like Haswell tablets. This tablet is insane in term of battery life. I mostly get 6-7 hours for my usage. I use this tablets mostly for browsing, downloading, playing casual games, taking notes (OneNote FTW!), watching videos/movies and listening to music. If you look for an Ivy Bridge tablet that last like Haswell tablets, this is the only one.
Third, since I mentioned videos, movies, and music, I would say this tablet has great screen and speaker. The speaker is great for a tablet. If you enable the Dolby enhancement, the speaker will get louder (with some distortion), on par with cheaper multimedia laptops. Definitely better than the Surface Pro. The screen is also better than any tablet screen Ive ever used.
Fourth, it has no great keyboard solution. Unlike the Surface Pro which has options like the Type and Touch cover, the W700 relies on a Bluetooth keyboard or a case with integrated Bluetooth keyboard. Consult the seller first on which version you get. I would recommend the former since the latter is not comfortable (very, very thin), it is nice though. If you are a bit unlucky like me, youll get neither of them. I got a Perixx 804 Bluetooth keyboard for €25, and it works reliably over Bluetooth. This keyboard feels like a keyboard from Acer V5 or most Sony VAIOs (a bit harder than MacBooks)
Fifth, it has WiFi issue. This issue plagues mostly early generation of this tablet, but you might get this as well. On my W700, I have no problem with the disconnection. However, the signal is not as good as other devices. Usually, when the other devices still get 1 bar of signal, the W700 has lost connection.
Sixth, its graphic performance is not as great as how a HD4000 should be. The GPU suffers from bad throttling, making the performance only comparable to HD3000 GPU on most laptops (I tried with i5-2410M)
Overall, this tablet is geared towards entertainment (great screen and speaker) than business/work (no active digitizer and no keyboard solution). This device is great if you want to use one device rather than two (tablet+laptop), but don't expect too much. Since Haswell tablets are just behind the corner, I would suggest you to wait for some affordable Haswell tablets. However, if you cant wait, I would recommend this device over any Atom tablets unless you need an active digitizer.
My W700 is the i5-3317U model with 64 GB of storage. I wish I had the 128 GB model.
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Thanks a lot , and sorry for the late reply. iam getting a 450 pounds voucher of student store u.k from my uni and i asked them about the keyboard they told that it comes with the dock & keyboard + the case cover with keyboard out of box so i dont need to buy it seperately . also student store u.k dont have much options to choose from so either i need to wait till lenovo and acer comes out with baytrail or haswell 10+ inch tablets as the studentstore dont stock Asus, HP or Dell .
Also another thing i need to know is that whether the weight and thickness of w700 is an issue to use it as a tablet .
I'd wait to purchase a dell. Acer was terrible when I had it. Dell seems more reliable.
I have the i5 version that came with the dock and the keyboard case. Despite being labelled as having an i5-3317 processor on the box, mine says it has a i5-3337 inside. A patch has fixed the throttling issue for me. The tablet is relatively heavy, it gets uncomfortable to hold and use rather quickly. The thickness isn't a problem; it's actually pretty thin. It's fine to use with the keyboard case on the lap though.
I don't mind the keyboard case. It has full width keys, seems sturdy and keeps the whole setup light. The keys don't press down far due to the thinness of it though. I have to say I like keyboard docks more after using the Asus Transformer TF101, but that would mean adding weight to balance the tablet.
Changing the SSD inside is a bit challenging, but it's possible. It uses a standard mSATA interface according to those who've replaced it. The omission of a SD/microSD slot is a bit strange, but I'd say it has enough storage for most people.
I haven't had any issues with the Wi-Fi, although it seems many others are having trouble with it.
The recovery is on a couple of DVDs. If anything goes awry, you may need to get an external DVD drive. Windows 8 does have the refresh option, which makes things easier if Windows is the problem.
The cameras on the device work alright. Pictures taken look rather poor quality, but I find these things tend to be that way. I really don't know why they put a back facing camera on this thing; I think people using their iPads to take pictures is bad enough. I haven't used it for video chatting yet. Some have reported that the microphone isn't great. The mic is on the bottom edge, which might have something to do with it, but I haven't used it yet.
I enjoy having this tablet. It's as powerful as a laptop and it's fast.
Which one should I buy?
Aside from w6's 1080p display is there any difference ?
I talk about performance mostly and which is more stable and which will last longer!
Any help is appreciated
A1 is at 170 Euro
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PiPo W6 is at 216 Euro
Note: Dont sent me links of other tablets from the internet, cause i dont trust the warranty much there and i prefer to just go back to the shop that i bought it and give it there.
Altair47 said:
Which one should I buy?
Aside from w6's 1080p display is there any difference ?
I talk about performance mostly and which is more stable and which will last longer!
Any help is appreciated
A1 is at 170 Euro
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PiPo W6 is at 216 Euro
Note: Dont sent me links of other tablets from the internet, cause i dont trust the warranty much there and i prefer to just go back to the shop that i bought it and give it there.
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I have pipo W6,it's very beautifull tablet.
Tony Evo said:
I have pipo W6,it's very beautifull tablet.
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I was looking for someone who might have this one!
Have you tried playing any games on it?Mostly simple ones like LoL,HL2,Dota 2 etc. How are the framerates?
Also how long does the battery last on full use?
Just received my W6 last Friday. I don't play any games so I can't comment on performance on that front. Mine came with a QA issue. The adhesive that was holding onto the front glass was not doing its job properly in one corner so the glass was popping up. Not sure if this was due to the cold weather during shipping but instead of sending it off for replacement, cause that would take forever, I bought some 3m double sided tape, and did the simple repair myself. Other than that, maybe isolated, issue. I have no other problems. Battery life is decent but not excellent.
Looking forward to installing WIN10 consumer preview when it comes out next week.
In terms of performance for games at the same resolution, they should be identical. They are, after all, using the same innards. Stability is probably the same. I think your deciding factor would be if you want the higher resolution display on the W6 or not.
edit: just found another guy on the pipo forums who had a similar issue with the front glass becoming unglued.
http://www.pipo.cn/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=13321&highlight=w6 its in chinese, use google translate
I've been usin Pipo w6 for around 3 months now. It IS a beautiful tablet with the metal band around it. Its screen resolution is also very attractive. If anything, the battery is a bit disappointing "windows + high res screen". Also, the GPS did work well for me. Did anyone face this problem?
Other than that, I will be more than willing to recommend it for anyone who's looking to buy a windows tablet.
I will try to install ubuntu on it in the upcoming days.