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First of all...let me first make it clear that I liked Vista. So in case you haven't yet figured it out... I like Nexus one and have no complaints.
But, like Vista, Nexus One is being continuously targeted on internet and therefore even minor issues have been blown out of proportion. XDA is perhaps at the core of it. We have two sub-forums... General and Q&A.. which have turned into whining grounds. Everyone (including me) have been whining about issues and reducing our satisfaction level with our new phone. I certainly regret reading a few threads...I wasn't even aware of these issues..they were not bothering me... but now that i have read them... they haunt me. Are they serious? nope.. just like most of the other issues here. I am sure I am not alone who has this experience.
So...enough of my rant.. what do we do?
1) I would propose that we merge Q&A and General. General is enough. We have similar whining topics in both the forums as people are confused about which question goes where and have started redundant threads.
2) Any useless rant or repeat posts should be locked and deleted ASAP. We perhaps need more moderators here.
3) Action against impolite posters. This forum has got nasty and personal. I have not seen such behavior in other sub-forums
4) This forum will get even busier once sprint, Verizon and European devices come out... We need some stickies to avoid repetition of questions.
If you guys have constructive comments..additions.. please post.
A phone is a phone and none of them are perfect. Most of the Nexus converts are ex iphone fanboys. Lest we forget it took essentially 2 years before the iphone could do what the Nexus can do straight out of the box on day one.
I'm a tried and tested gadget freak, and I've also used pretty much every high end phone in existance (except for Vertu and Porsche branded phones) and to be honest, if I wanted a plain old perfect "phone", I'd buy a Nokia 1600 series handset and be done with it .
It makes calls, it receives calls, it doesnt crash, and it bounces when I drop it, and keeps on ticking after a damn good licking (my 1650 actually went thru a clothes wash, dried it out, and kept on going!).
My advice to you - if you're over the whining, just dont visit the General and Q&A sections...
Honestly, there still needs to be a Q&A section and a general section. The Q&A section (should be) used more for questions about using the phone, or a good place to put how to's, or for questions that could be seem as borderline developmental but development hasn't started, or for general trouble shooting where a post in the ROM thread just doesn't do it, or if it is an issue with all ROMs or most ROMs of the same nature (Vanilla Android/Sense).
I do tremendously agree you though on all the BS threads about the same issue or people whining about issues that they find annoying but aren't major. Yes, there should be threads to alert people to these issues, but there doesn't need to be a new thread every single time a user has that problem and wants to cry about it.
Honestly, the moderators are doing a much better job over here then the g1 area was for a while, pointless threads get locked at a much higher rate in the dev section, people are being reprimanded for breaking the rules numerous times, appropriate threads are being merged, threads are being moved to the correct sub-forum when needed instead of just locked to keep the information in those threads alive.
I entirely agree with you about peoples attitudes, while most people are respectful of others, many aren't, and should be warned at the least. Yeah there are times I wish I could reach through my screen and slap people, but in the end, you're just going to end up arguing with people over the internet which isn't going to get you anywhere, and in general is just going to make other people on here think less of you and be less willing to help you out in the future (or use your work if you feel like contributing, I know there are a few people whose work I refuse to use based on their past actions, or what I think about their character).
Again, I agree with you that this forum will only get busier as the nexus is released on more networks/providers/3g bands/whatever, and as users, we need to try and keep down the pointless threads, and flaming of people that post in the wrong section, so that new people won't feel so inclined to do the same (think about it, you see the guy supposedly "senior" member flaming the "junior" member for posting in the wrong section, is that any different than the junior member posting in the wrong section. It's not going to "teach" the member to post in the correct section).
Oh well, there is my pseudo-rant for the night. On most of your points, I do agree with you, so take my post how you want.
Just had to..... Win7 > Vista
I find it offensive that you compare android 2.1 to vista.
yes this forum needs stickies.
I vote no to merging the two forums. Maybe a description saying: "post in this q&a forum if you have a question you think this community can answer"
I've not had no issues with my Nexus One. No dust under the screen, no lag, no touch-screen anomalies.......nothing. I think that a lot of the whining is due to the fact that people expect much more from a phone these days. When the iPhone was first introduced there were lots of things it couldn't do, and had many flaws. But, it did things other phones didn't and it revolutionised the market. It was so unlike every other phone that people didn't concentrate on the bad things.
With the Nexus it has many competitors to compare it to. With that comes more differences and reasons to complain.
I'm with you, though, in that the whining posts need to be filtered out somehow. Maybe a 'complaints/problems forum' would be more useful?
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[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
That is brilliant. Can't believe I did not post it first, it is a peeve of mine, big time.
I would like to see this as well.
I support this!
It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.
yes, this would be a definite plus. and give us an off topic section for us sgs users as well.
+1 .....10 char
^bump^
as i don't have any Mod power to make it a sticky, much less make the original topic cross posted across the 5 SGS forums
115 Yes
7 No
Wow...
I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.
I just hope my sticky stays a sticky
jz9833 said:
It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.
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It wasn't exactly like that at first I think..more precisely only the i9000 forum existed as it was the only device out at the time..
Right now we got almost the devices out the door and most of the stuff are compatible..if not minor tweaks make it compatible...
But yes thats exactly what the proposal will do..it will separate out the development with some room for cross development and keep the other categories like general the same
As long as the development sections are separate I think this its a good idea..
Especially if we have enough mods to watch over us...
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and also take out the Galaxy Spica subsection which no one seems to use.
I do like the idea though the only thing I'm worried about is people getting confused in the development section. And I'm assuming since the software is basically the same for all the phones then themes would work across all phones.
yeah that might be an issue. if we do merge, I think it's best if people start id'ing their thread with something like
[CAPT] dadada
[VIBR] dadada
[EPIC] dadada
Let me clear things up a bit....the Development thread will have sub-forums for each device...so anything that is unique or only for 1 device will be in the sub-forum...things that work on all devices or multiple devices will go into the main Development forum where we will tag it something like this "[V][C][F]" which would mean works for Vibrant, Captivate, Fascinate only.
I agree, checking all the other SGS forums is a litle annoying.
kizer said:
I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.
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I was under the impression that the Vibrant and Captivate don't use the same cases (Captivate has lines vs curves), so already there is an instance where this idea falls apart.
Theres going to be a SGS with a keyboard soon, that case won't be compatible with cases for the other phones.
So....we could mix the Vibrant and i9000 forums because they're basically the same form factor, but why bother.
There is enough different about all these phones that it's probably better keeping them separated.
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With that said, when there is an issue with one phone, it does seem to carry over to the others and it is freaking annoying having to delve the forums of the other phones to find a solution.
Unfortunately, what is the "better" solution? Either one is going to be somewhat confusing for somebody.
Bump.
To the people that still doesn't know about this idea, please go vote if you would like to see the big Galaxy S family forum merged.
Thanks.
every since this phone was announced these threads have been sprinked with useless garbage, generally speaking.
please clean up your stuff, one guy was complaining how there is lag on his nexus S after 62+ apps. Get a grip, child. compared it to his nexus one...which had well over 100 apps. this is nonsense and i dont find it as a gauge to compare anything...sounds just dumb.
gripe. but gripe right. for instance.
nexus s is an official google phone. yet i had to MANUALLY get all their apps, google ones that is, not to mention my market didnt upgrade STILL on its own. weird how i had to literally type out the market apps to find its upgrades in stuff i had.
EVERYTHING i had to get. which simply BAFFLES me since my tmobile G2 had everything pushed instantly.
Secondly, rockplayer....PLEASE WORK..i neeed to see movies. all the codes needed to be updated now...god dammit.
I guess this what its like to have a google only phone? i dont know, i dont get it. i find this phone incredibly gorgeous and have gotten alot of compliments. going to miss my nexus one but its the next of kin..im off contract still..my 3g is faastt 4.3mb-5.1mb always. idk..just clean up your talk
Good point, I have noticed a lot of useless fluff everywhere, but over time that will probably disappear as more and more devs are able to release NS mods and roms which, if popular, will push all the useless threads back down the que. But that still doesn't solve the problem, so I will add my support behind this.
Some tips to avoid posting useless posts
1. Use common sense: lag after 62+ apps, maybe more are running in the background, or more intensive? Think!
2. Google/search it: more and more people are getting this phone, so maybe you will find another post like yours, with an answer already in it!
3. Try and fix the problem yourself: with the lag example, maybe try the task manager and see if anything is hogging resources? That seems quite easy to do, no?
Then maybe it's a good idea to post a thread.
Never mind posting in the right section... Seriously, the development section is overflowing with threads that belong into general. Ironically, this thread is a prime example. It doesn't help that the mods (whoever and wherever you guys are) seem to be non-existing in this forum. Whosdaman has been doing a great job keeping the MT4G forum organized while at the same time helping people understand what belongs where. Where are our mods and how come there still isn't a Q&A section?
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I don't know, I find it kind of amusing that a guy with a whopping two whole posts in 5 months to his name is going to start a thread saying most other posts on the forums are useless garbage. Seems kind of pretentious to me.
I'm all for SEARCHING before starting a new thread, and SEARCHING before asking the same question in a thread that's already been asked and answered a dozen times. I'm all for READING FAQ and READING STICKY POSTS before posting questions. I'm all for POSTING IN THE RIGHT SECTION.
And to the OP, I'm all for USING A PROPERLY DESCRIPTIVE THREAD TITLE. Yours gives no indication about what you're really discussing in here. Something like "Let's keep this forum on-topic" or similar would be much more appropriate in my opinion. You also marked this as a QUESTION, and it's not. Very poor topic titling...
On the other side of that coin, I'm not sure I'm qualified, or anyone else besides moderators, to say you're question/post was too stupid to have been made, go away. Sheesh, we're here to help and learn off each other; that kind of attitude isn't conducive to a helpful environment. It leads to the kind of cesspool that our sister device's (the Vibrant) forum turned into where there's so much sniping and hatred at everyone that several high-profile devs have left.
Is it just me that I think the OP is also a useless gripe?
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nxt said:
Is it just me that I think the OP is also a useless gripe?
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Is it just me that I think the OP is an Ass?
JD
PRETENTIOUS? how about whatever I need I researched or found put on my own. Just because I wrote tyro posts? Come on guy, your better than that.
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PRETENTIOUS? how about whatever I need I researched or found put on my own. Just because I wrote tyro posts? Come on guy, your better than that.
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I applaud you're ability to find your own answers, but yes, your OP here was a bit pretentious in my opinion.
It's pretentious because you assume that your judgment of what is and is not a value-added post is the only accurate one while at the same time you make the very same mistakes that you're criticizing. You posted in what some might consider the wrong section, with the wrong topic title, and marked the thread as as a question despite the fact that there is not a single question in your post. Then you threw in insults to others by saying their posts and opinions on lag are dumb, and then went on to about four different issues that aren't related to your original subject.
The original premise of your OP was that we shouldn't clutter the forum with irrelevant posts, but then you did that very same thing with your post. It's certainly ironic, if not pretentious.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, just amused at the pot calling the kettle black situation here. This thread should die.
Well, you know the drill: MY concerns are serious bidness; YOUR concerns are frivolous garbage.
I restored 87 apps with Titanium Backup. No lag whatsoever. Everything runs smooth like butter. Much smoother than when I had the Vibrant. So that person obviously installed something to make it lag.
Man did I **** up. Haha. Sorry man.Your my boy regardless.
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traded out of interest really, i didnt dislike the htc one, i just like changing my phones... a lot... lol, always wanted to try an S4 and what a mistake that was....
1. The screen while nice indoors, put it anywhere near sunlight and forget it
2. Touchwiz lag and bloat, the amount of crap and novelty software on there is crazy
3. The plastic back really does feel cheap after owning a One
4. Just doesnt seem as smooth or responsive as the One at all, even with the GPe rom
5. For me the battery was nowhere near as good as my One`s, when i put the one as a GPe that battery was excellent
6. The external speaker.... this had never been an issue or me before as i didnt care, but after having "Boomsound" the difference is mahooooosive
the only positive for me was the camera, the One camera really is unpredictable, good shots 1 min and poor fuzzy the next where as the 13mp shooter on the S4 provided great crisp shots all the time, thats the only thing i wish htc had done,
I`ve just been left really underwhelmed by the S4, and im now selling it on eBay after 2 days of usage to return to the One
Just thought id throw this out there for people considering trading
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traded out of interest really, i didnt dislike the htc one, i just like changing my phones... a lot... lol, always wanted to try an S4 and what a mistake that was....
1. The screen while nice indoors, put it anywhere near sunlight and forget it
2. Touchwiz lag and bloat, the amount of crap and novelty software on there is crazy
3. The plastic back really does feel cheap after owning a One
4. Just doesnt seem as smooth or responsive as the One at all, even with the GPe rom
5. For me the battery was nowhere near as good as my One`s, when i put the one as a GPe that battery was excellent
6. The external speaker.... this had never been an issue or me before as i didnt care, but after having "Boomsound" the difference is mahooooosive
the only positive for me was the camera, the One camera really is unpredictable, good shots 1 min and poor fuzzy the next where as the 13mp shooter on the S4 provided great crisp shots all the time, thats the only thing i wish htc had done,
I`ve just been left really underwhelmed by the S4, and im now selling it on eBay after 2 days of usage to return to the One
Just thought id throw this out there for people considering trading
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Oh look, another Galaxy S4 VS HTC One thread. This is a new, exciting, and refreshing topic. Also it's against the forum rules.
jotha said:
General section
What goes here
Guides, Collections, Tutorials (can also be posted in Q&A)
General information about the device
Tips and Tricks
Every general discussion about technical aspects of device
What does not go here (by far an uncomplete list, just some examples for topics that are not tolerated)
Everything prohibited by above linked forum rules.
"Whis is the best rom for this device", "Is this rom better than that" (always subjective, prone to fanboy wars)
Device comparison threads "Which is better: iphone or this phone" (see above)
"What was your last phone/will be your next phone" (Off-Topic to this phone, post that in OT-Forum)
"Hello"/"Goodbye"/"Merry Christmas,Easter,Hannukkah, whatever" (Obviously OT, just imagine every user posts that)
"I'll never buy HTC again", "Why HTC/Samsung/whoever sucks" and all other "hate"-threads (Tell that those guys, not us)
"Help!", "How do I...", "Why..." and all other Questions (belong in Q&A)
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Emphasis mine.
unremarked said:
Oh look, another Galaxy S4 VS HTC One thread. This is a new, exciting, and refreshing topic. Also it's against the forum rules.
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actually its not an S4 vs One thread, its my experience with both handsets, i understand why people like the S4, so... get off your snoby high horse and read something else if you dont want to read here, mr exciting and new, some of you people on here think your really something..... but your not
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actually its not an S4 vs One thread, its my experience with both handsets, i understand why people like the S4, so... get off your snoby high horse and read something else if you dont want to read here, mr exciting and new, some of you people on here think your really something..... but your not
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Everything you posted has been said in at least 30 other threads comparing the two devices.
If you want to contribute your experience, please use the search function next time and post in an existing thread instead of cluttering the forums. You may also find similar users have had the same experience as you.
Device comparison thread, closed.
I love the feel and look of the curve, and I think it is a bit better to have my apps tucked away there than on the main screen. If it wasn't more expensive, I think I would prefer it to be a standard feature on all phones - on both sides.
I have been trying to think what else it could be used for, and I'm not really coming up with anything. There must be more uses than an apps tray.
Sorry, ETA: and some controls, such as for the camera, that would otherwise get in the way.
There's already couple of threads discussing this. Please go participate there rather than creating more similar threads.
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As has been suggested , please use existing threads
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