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The HTC One M8 with it's 2600mAh battery is kicking the Droid Turbos 3,900mAh battery's ass?
Jesus Motorola, no one gives a damn about 565 vs 400 pixels per inch on a mere 5.2 inch screen... simply put a 1080p screen in there and give us MOAR battery life!
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I saw this too. Makes no sense to me. I mean, I get that the D.T. has more pixels to light up but the battery is 50% larger and comes with a near stock version of Android. How does HTC do it? Is there a trade off I'm not hearing about?
Just said this in another thread lol:Tom's Hardware is a great site, but I've never held a lot of stock in their battery test. 50 random "popular" websites browsed on a data network, screen on the whole time. This allows for variables in the graphics of the websites over time, what websites were used, the network's traffic and the device's proximity to a tower. It only tests the phone's screen on battery performance, nothing to do with standby. You might say that doesn't matter, but then you've never owned a Touchwiz device.
That being said, there's no way it will as good on battery as the Maxx. The 805 is an efficiency improvement in design, but this is a 2.7ghz quad-core processor with biggest GPU Qualcomm's ever released, compared to the dual-core modified S4 Pro in the Maxx. Oh and 4 times as many pixels but only another 400mah added? No way it's holding up. Still, if the Turbo charger is as fast as it's supposed to be, I'm not really worried.
Are all these phones running the EXACT same apps at the EXACT same time for the EXACT same length of time (not just "we surfed the web the exact same way - what was running in the background)? Was the strength of signal IDENTICAL for each phone's test (post claims iphone6 was on AT&T, not VZW)? Too many variables left out in a simple graph.
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I saw this too. Makes no sense to me. I mean, I get that the D.T. has more pixels to light up but the battery is 50% larger and comes with a near stock version of Android. How does HTC do it? Is there a trade off I'm not hearing about?
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No clue really Will need to see what more good review websites have to say.
Here's Gizmodo's claim on the battery life: http://gizmodo.com/droid-turbo-is-here-but-about-that-battery-1652801400
Yes, the new Droid Turbo has curb appeal. It has a massive battery, a 2K display and a blazing fast mobile processor, but it's also basically just a beefier Moto X that's locked to Verizon's network. The battery is the biggest difference. And in early tests, it looks like that battery may not deliver.
After setting up my 64GB ballistic nylon reviewer's unit, downloading my usual apps and logging into way too many accounts, I slipped the Turbo on its charger and filled up to 100 percent overnight. In the morning, off the cord at 8 AM, I've used the smartphone quite a bit, but still well within the realm of normal use. I listened to Spotify on my commute, used Google Maps to find my way to a meeting, snapped some photos at said meeting, recorded about an hour of audio, and Google Maps'ed my way back to the office. Now all of that may seem like a lot, but I didn't stream any video or play any games. For the rest of the day, I checked a few messages, took a few more pictures, and pretty much just let Moto Display blink on and off in standby mode. By the time I left work, I was at 35 percent.
After that, I listened to some more music, did some light web browsing, and traversed through a few Vines. My phone was dead by 11am the next day.
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if all this is true what going to be the battery life on Nexus 6 with larger display and smallest battery, can MOTOROLA faild with this issues
I can't put much stock in a test this fast unless they had it a week already. Needs time to settle in. Google now alone is a battery killer until it learns your habbits.
joshm.1219 said:
Just said this in another thread lol:Tom's Hardware is a great site, but I've never held a lot of stock in their battery test. 50 random "popular" websites browsed on a data network, screen on the whole time. This allows for variables in the graphics of the websites over time, what websites were used, the network's traffic and the device's proximity to a tower. It only tests the phone's screen on battery performance, nothing to do with standby. You might say that doesn't matter, but then you've never owned a Touchwiz device.
That being said, there's no way it will as good on battery as the Maxx. The 805 is an efficiency improvement in design, but this is a 2.7ghz quad-core processor with biggest GPU Qualcomm's ever released, compared to the dual-core modified S4 Pro in the Maxx. Oh and 4 times as many pixels but only another 400mah added? No way it's holding up. Still, if the Turbo charger is as fast as it's supposed to be, I'm not really worried.
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Wow 4x the pixels. I didn't do the math but .2" larger screen and stepping up from 720 to quad hd, I believe you. I can understand the advantage in having the most ppi as a selling point, personal taste and all I would rather have had better battery life and a 1080 screen. We'll see though. Everyone here is saying be patient, wait a couple weeks and check reviews on how the battery is holding up. I can do that.
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Wow 4x the pixels. I didn't do the math but .2" larger screen and stepping up from 720 to quad hd, I believe you. I can understand the advantage in having the most ppi as a selling point, personal taste and all I would rather have had better battery life and a 1080 screen. We'll see though. Everyone here is saying be patient, wait a couple weeks and check reviews on how the battery is holding up. I can do that.
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Yeah well at least a week. I'll be posting my charging and battery findings in a few days, you do need to give new lithium-ion cells some time to settle in. I would definitely rather have 1080p, QHD is the dumbest spec grab that the industry has had in awhile. Why these companies are spending so much more money on the display panel, which is already the most expensive part of the device, just to up its resolution is beyond me. A resolution that almost no apps support, almost no content supports, and isn't even technically discernible to the human eye. But whatever, still a lovely screen.
Startes at 81% 8 hrs ago...instakled all apps and 2 hrs screen time and i am at 50%...just overall it seems the turb is sipping battery. Early but much better than note 4 so far
Related
http://software2tech.com/2012/02/26...echnology-to-android-smartphones-galaxy-beam/
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-13970_7-10011428.html?tag=mncol
Seems cool but its such a niche market they are targeting.
Probably more than likely targeted for the Asian/Korean market. They had a previous model by the same or similar name last year.
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Well they called the Note a niche, now it seems pretty popular. But yeah this one will be niche, I don't care, if its not overpriced I will get it. Bigger screen is always a welcome.
I predict future phones will all have projecting ability.
didnt they release this phone like 2 years ago ?
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found it
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8520_galaxy_beam-3150.php
released july 2010
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didnt they release this phone like 2 years ago ?
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LG released a projector phone a couple of years back.
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eksasol said:
Well they called the Note a niche, now it seems pretty popular. But yeah this one will be niche, I don't care, if its not overpriced I will get it. Bigger screen is always a welcome.
I predict future phones will all have projecting ability.
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The screen is only 4", but you're probably talking about the projected image. But if you're thinking the projected image is going to look even remotely good enough to "enjoy" you're fooling yourself - 15 lumens is pretty weak. And on top of that battery life is probably going to be dismal, other features will definitely be removed or skimped on to make room for the projector (and to keep the cost down), and Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise faster than you can say "Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise". For all those reasons I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10' pole. The more I think about it, you have yourself a recipe for the worst phone of 2012 brewing in this thing.
This video was filmed at MWC2012 at Barcelona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3cFLvn9uQ
You can see the main functions and the projector. I am here for any questions.
Interesting concept but projector quality and battery life are probably lacking.
Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
Feel free to ask questions
floiancu said:
Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
Feel free to ask questions
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Very cool :] Thanks!
floiancu said:
Hey!
I have used the phone for a week now and it's absolutely amazing! Here's a video review I made. I apologize for the bad quality in the dark shots, but my cameras are too average to handle it. I can assure you the image is crisp clear in complete dark rooms, but in even the slightest light you loose details and sharpness, and as you can see in my video, in the evening (it was 7 pm), you can't see a thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3kEi40aBs
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how was the battery life on it, is it for like a short time use on battery? or can you play an entire movie?
It can go a full 5h on one charge, so they say, but i have never tried to drain the battery on the projector only. What's more, you get a second battery you can charge independently and simultaneously so watching a full movie is a piece of cake. As far as a smartphone goes, it uses the battery fairly ok, you can easily get more than an entire day on 3g, wifi and others.
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The screen is only 4", but you're probably talking about the projected image. But if you're thinking the projected image is going to look even remotely good enough to "enjoy" you're fooling yourself - 15 lumens is pretty weak. And on top of that battery life is probably going to be dismal, other features will definitely be removed or skimped on to make room for the projector (and to keep the cost down), and Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise faster than you can say "Samsung will abandon this thing update-wise". For all those reasons I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10' pole. The more I think about it, you have yourself a recipe for the worst phone of 2012 brewing in this thing.
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I have used the phone for a month now. I considered getting it for its battery life more than for its projector. The price is as expected if you consider that pico projectors cost ~£70 on ebay. Nevertheless I am so pissed off with any smartphone's battery life in general that I would easily pay £70 to get one that gives best possible.
This phone has 4" and 2 batteries with 2000miliamphours close to SGSIII or the new google nexus that have much bigger screen. So if I don't use the projector but every thing else turned on 24/7, Wifi, 3G, live wallpaper, skype, steam, 6 im+ accounts and normal to heavy use, I can get 2 days without charging AND having the 2nd battery that comes in the box for another 2 days.
I was expecting the projector to be nothing more than a gimmick and not good as it actually is! With flash support I can stream live tv on my wall or ceiling. I had to craft a base for it from a little box so that it can stay upright and charge at the same time. Sure it needs to be dark but for the times of the day that i wanted to use it, darkness was not a problem. Even in daytime thought, I can use a A4 sheet of paper across the desk from where its charging and play videos or tv shows as an additional 10-12" screen on my desktop.
So your assumption about battery life, sorry to say but it is false. The battery life on this phone is one of the best out there, just because they needed to do so to support the projector. The projector is a feature more than it is a gimmick and it has proven useful for me on every day use.
Cons:
-I've only heard announcements for official upgrade to JB but I haven't received one yet. Still running GingerBread.
-no 3rd party support for roms and kernels, yet., I am missing features such as USB-OTG and overclocking. Barely a rooting guide exists.
-no dedicated XDA forum for GT-I8530
-stock prevents me from using the projector while gps is locating.. (not a yuge problem imo, just annoyance)
Overall the phone is a WIN situation for me. Official or 3rd party support is a matter of time.
Why is there no XDA forum for it? They should start turning op pretty cheap on ebay and with the projector it's an obvious candidate for custom applications.
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Smint80 said:
Why is there no XDA forum for it? They should start turning op pretty cheap on ebay and with the projector it's an obvious candidate for custom applications.
- Smint
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So I read through The Verge, Engadget and AnandTech (performance & battery) reviews and the general consensus was that performance and battery life isn't anything stellar. In fact, even though it has the same internal hardware (aside from the LTE) as the Optimus G, it performs significantly worse than the Optimus G.
AnandTech stated that it's probably due to thermal throttling(?) while Engadget blamed it on software that isn't in its final build yet.
Is anyone else extremely disappointed by the performance of this device?
I'm coming from a One X (AT&T) which performs much better on just about every benchmark there is and it's sad to see the device like the N4 performing far worse when it should be better (dual core S4 vs quad core S4, more RAM, more mAH etc).
Its the chrome browser, its really bad. I tried chrome on my gnex and scores significantly lower than the stock browser.
So your surprised a raw souped up hot rod burns more gas than a its less powerful more optimized counterparts?
:xda on sprint g-nex:
I fear that Anandtech is right, I can't think of any other way why the CPU scores in Antutu are that low,
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How can the web browsing battery life be worse than the One X, they have a similar screen but the One X has a smaller battery and an old processor (40nm).
They have REVIEW UNITS.. which isn't final anything.
I just watched The Verge 's hands on review, and they said battery life was great, so I don't know what your talking about.
Either way, not final software = not a reliable source
Thats like testing a prototype car, and it sucks, when in reality, its not even final...
If it wasn't close to the final why google even send those review unit.
iAndropple said:
They have REVIEW UNITS.. which isn't final anything.
I just watched The Verge 's hands on review, and they said battery life was great, so I don't know what your talking about.
Either way, not final software = not a reliable source
Thats like testing a prototype car, and it sucks, when in reality, its not even final...
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The verge was the only one that said battery life was good. And they didn't really run any tests, it was more of a let me see if it will get me through a day kind of thing.
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enviii said:
The verge was the only one that said battery life was good. And they didn't really run any tests, it was more of a let me see if it will get me through a day kind of thing.
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2100 mah battery will do me perfect... I get through about a day and a half without a single charge on my samsung galaxy s3, and it has a bigger screen, LTE, and the same battery. It shouldn't concern you, besides, there are tons of apps out there (like juice defender) that handle your radios and usage. It's a cell phone, it was made to get you through a full day, charge it up when sleeping, then use it again.
What did the Optimus G get? We should expect something similar I'm guessing if it is a software issue.
I saw in a video where the guy opened Battery Settings and Android OS took about 20 something % of the Battery... I remember there was a Bug in 4.0.3 ICS when i got an update on my Nexus s... Could be a software problem! Lets see what lands up in the final build!
Well, performance could be to thermal throttling. Do remember these units are probably quite old development units. As in the video by the verge the guy from google said 'we are still changing things on this device, even now'
Qualcomm is good at delivering driver updates for their GPUs, as not many devices use the Adreno 320 yet.
iAndropple said:
They have REVIEW UNITS.. which isn't final anything.
I just watched The Verge 's hands on review, and they said battery life was great, so I don't know what your talking about.
Either way, not final software = not a reliable source
Thats like testing a prototype car, and it sucks, when in reality, its not even final...
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This.
Also, the fact that some of the screen shots showed that there was a software update ready means that there might have been fixes in store.
Take these reviews with a grain of salt, kids.
I'm still a bit perplexed as to what these reviews deem to be "poor" battery life. I mean, most of the reviews that I've read state that in tests utilizing an infinite loop of Google searches, or an infinitely looping video, they all got around 5.5 hours of Screen On time on cellular data only. On average, I'm lucky if I get 2.5-3 hours of Screen On time on my Verizon Galaxy Nexus, with 4G turned OFF and connected to Wifi all day. With 3G only, that number comes down to about 2 hours of Screen On time. With 4G LTE on, that drops even further to about 1.5 hours of Screen On time.
I understand that the Optimus G gets the same Screen On time with 4G LTE on, and that without LTE the Nexus 4 should do much better. But to call 5.5 hours of Screen On time "poor" seems ridiculous to me.
EDIT: I should clarify that both my experience on my Verizon Galaxy Nexus and the reviews of the Nexus 4 that I referred to utilized 50% brightness.
Just wait until Google actually releases it. I personally don't trust hands on review because it's not a final release (both hardware and software) and they didn't have long time to use it
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I'm still a bit perplexed as to what these reviews deem to be "poor" battery life. I mean, most of the reviews that I've read state that in tests utilizing an infinite loop of Google searches, or an infinitely looping video, they all got around 5.5 hours of Screen On time on cellular data only. On average, I'm lucky if I get 2.5-3 hours of Screen On time on my Verizon Galaxy Nexus, with 4G turned OFF and connected to Wifi all day. With 3G only, that number comes down to about 2 hours of Screen On time. With 4G LTE on, that drops even further to about 1.5 hours of Screen On time.
I understand that the Optimus G gets the same Screen On time with 4G LTE on, and that without LTE the Nexus 4 should do much better. But to call 5.5 hours of Screen On time "poor" seems ridiculous to me.
EDIT: I should clarify that both my experience on my Verizon Galaxy Nexus and the reviews of the Nexus 4 that I referred to utilized 50% brightness.
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If 5 hours of screen time out of a day of usage, that's good by me. I get less than three hours with my Note so that will be an improvement. Same for me when I had the One X. I was lucky to get 3.5 hours with the One X on wifi, let alone LTE. I've also experienced from my Note that software makes a world of difference.
It is a review unit, they want them to find review its current state. Google said they are still changing it , even now
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Hi Everyone, I dont have a Nexus 6 yet...waiting on Verizon to do its thing but I cant really stop thinking about the potential battery savings that this thing can do. I'm seeing a couple battery threads where people have posted the screens of ok battery life. 6 to 7 hours is the general feeling I get. Since I don't have one yet I would love if a couple of you could appease me in trying this and test.
Anyhow what I'm thinking is two fold, one that huge resolution, and two that insane clock speed.
While both of those are bad ass stats, I think for an everyday carry phone most of the time you wont need them that high.
As many of you know but Ill write it down anyway the resolution of this thing is a massive 1440 x 2560. That is 3,686,400 pixels!
In my humble opinion, when your doing stuff all day and just want battery instead of crystal clearness then I think it might be a worth while trade off to bump it down.
If some of you could try this and post back to this thread it would be awesome. Maybe this will help some of you heavy users out their! Watch it be worthless. :silly:
NEED ROOT FOR BOTH THINGS.
Install a resolution changing app like THIS one (i havent really investigated which one is the best) (Also if you want to do it the legit way then I think you can do it through build.prop editor... id imagine that ends up with better results however the app seems simpler)
The device is 16:9.
Try these resolutions and go low as you think looks usable. At least try the top 2. The other ones I'm just playing with the math because they aren't so standard as the first two.
1080×1920 HD (2,073,600 pixels) 370 DPI
720x1280 720p (921,600 pixels) 246 DPI
900x1600 (1440000 pixels) 308 DPI
765x1360 (1040400 pixels) 262 DPI
Also For DPI Bigger number means bigger image, you might want to play with it for comfort. Please tell your dpi. If your playing a little with it then HERE is a dpi counter (Know that the diagonal measurement of the Nexus 6 is 5.96 inches)
If 720x1280 looks decent then id be happy. While I do not know how much this will help battery as I cant test it myself (I currently have a gnex which is 720 so I can only go down to something thats near sd which sd to 720 is not exactly a huge jump) in my mind something small like a phone or even a phablet will at least look decent at 720p...its only 5.96inches. Although i guess you are getting away from the screens native res which can make images look blurrier.
Why do I think this will help? Because that gpu is pushing 3,686,400 pixels... imagine it only pushing the 921,600 pixels. 1/4th of the UHD. Certainly a boost in gpu performance. Not that games need such a boost because android games aren't exactly pushing the limits...however battery has to improve a little. Thats such a huge drop. If Some of you could please experiment with this for battery improvements it would be awesome.
By the way that app I linked for some reason it wants you to put in stuff backwards. So dont check that mark until you input the values or it will apply as your trying to input the numbers. Also the nav bars might not align so use the fix nav bar option in the menu on the top right if need be. Also make sure you hit that stupid popup that shows up on the top right. the app will start and youll have to wait for that darn overlay to show so you can hit the button. I must warn you guys to not try this unless you know how to restore a nandroid... i played with it on my gnex and put the res of the original moto droid. I had to laugh at the sight but while playing I also messed up aspect ratio so then had to restore from nandroid. Just know that you can mess up stuff if you play :good:
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Ok next is that beefy CPU.
While this is an obvious battery saver that all phones can do the high clock has me wanting to see this now instead of waiting til I get one. Maybe it under clocks well! This is a Quad core cpu that's clocked at 2.7 GHz. Most apps don't need anything near this... And with that quad core you'll already be able to multitask pretty well.
I think this is going to go really good or really bad, as not all cpus really under clock or overclock the same. I have no clue how well the 805 under clocks. I'm sure some are going to look at this and give a rant about that so I'm just going to say that. The above is basically preaching to choir I guess. What i think is desired from this however is to get the most energy efficient clock out of the cpu as you can while still being as stable as you can. Not much more to say other then could some of you please post your stable under clocks. Hopefully with a good kernel we can get that to a better battery state. Personally I think 1000mhz is plenty enough on my dual core Gnex for everyday stuff such as email and browser. I wonder how stable that is on a quad core that's designed to run at 2.7. (I guess when I write it like that its bound to do bad)
Im curious what the under clock and the resolution change will do to the battery. Maybe we can get an extra hour or two. That would be amazing right? If the resolution thing doesn't work out ill be disappointed. :crying:
Post up results please or just speculate wildly or even come in here like a boss and tell me how it is which I suspect a dev might do.
You cannot change the hardware screen resolution.
I doubt what you did above have much impact on battery life.
You see, you need to come with evidence, like test result to compare. Test both configurations, measure the battery life in the same way. Then we can see.
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You cannot change the hardware screen resolution.
I doubt what you did above have much impact on battery life.
You see, you need to come with evidence, like test result to compare. Test both configurations, measure the battery life in the same way. Then we can see.
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I believe he was hoping people would test it and report back as he has not received his yet. That being said, it seems to me if you were to do all those things to it you are pretty much just turning it into a big gnexus. Kind of a waste of all the high end hardware IMO.
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I believe he was hoping people would test it and report back as he has not received his yet. That being said, it seems to me if you were to do all those things to it you are pretty much just turning it into a big gnexus. Kind of a waste of all the high end hardware IMO.
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well, he's correct in saying you can't change the hardware resolution i.e. you can't force the screen to be 1080p/720p. however, there's a way to save battery via pixel manipulation using the AMOLED screen. if you were to populate every other pixel on the screen with a black pixel, you'd be saving battery since on our screens, black pixel = screen off. tested this using Pixel Battery Saver and i got an extra hour of life from my N6. basically what the app does is provide a mesh overlay on your screen, blacking out pixels in a grid. obviously, if you were to put it in "high" setting, the screen quality would degrade but it's a handy tool to have when you need to extend your battery for a longer daytrip or if you're making an impromptu stay at a hotel
as for kernel controls go, yes underclocking and undervolting will squeeze out more life out of your battery for sure. however, with uv/ov and uc/oc there's also the added possibility of instability issues so it's more of a phone-to-phone basis since not all are built the same and have different pvs values.
and just so OP gets a ballpark feel, right now i'm running Minimus ROM and the latest beta of Imoseyon's leanKernel w/ stock clock and voltage. hit 6 hours 30 mins at 10% earlier today doing usual tasks (reddit, Chrome, Youtube, Kingdom Rush, etc).
Not sure I'm so desperate to bother with screen density changes. But I currently underclock my Oneplus to 1.297Ghz and undervolt -100mv. I don't play games or use processor intensive apps so underclocking works for me. While I'm not expecting to get 13 hours of screen time like I've gotten on my Oneplus, I'll be perfectly content with 6+.
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Im curious why you guys say this. You just say you cant without elaborating. You also specify hardware resolution. I dont really get what you guys are saying. In my mind it cant be to different then say, a pc. In a pc you can downgrade graphics to a lower resolution. While i cant say i know the going in and outs of this im pretty sure it heavily affects performance. I can run my game at a lower res to get higher fps for example. the gpu isnt working as hard to output it in the higher res.
Now im not stating that lowering the resolution will make the screen on the phone a 720p screen. Clearly it still is going to be displaying 4k. Like it is build to do, however i think the gpu isnt going to be working to bring that to the screen ...just like on pc. So if i have 720p content, the screen will make that image fill the screen. The gpu isnt giving that screen 4k content so it will stretch that lower quality content. Unless i am misunderstanding you, your saying that you can possibly lower that resolution. I have explained how in first post, and you read it so maybe you see a flaw in this program. however you didn't exactly say why. Im willing to admit that it wont work without anyone trying it if someone had an explanation...
Why not flash a kernel and under clock the CPU. I run mine at 1.3GHz max and my battery life is ~6-7 hours of SOT. If I run it at 2.9GHz OC then I still get 4-5 hours of SOT. What's wrong with a 2k display? My phone has zero stutters when I under clock it (233MHz-1.3GHz).
Pilz said:
Why not flash a kernel and under clock the CPU. I run mine at 1.3GHz max and my battery life is ~6-7 hours of SOT. If I run it at 2.9GHz OC then I still get 4-5 hours of SOT. What's wrong with a 2k display? My phone has zero stutters when I under clock it (233MHz-1.3GHz).
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what? i get 6.5-8 hours sot at 2880/300. heres my battery stats from last night at 50%..
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what? i get 6.5-8 hours sot at 2880/300. heres my battery stats from last night at 50%..
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That's really good, what ROM are you running? Mine has been really weird lately probably because I keep changing ROMs to see what I like.
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That's really good, what ROM are you running? Mine has been really weird lately probably because I keep changing ROMs to see what I like.
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rastapop with lean kernel. and i made a mistake, my low cpu speed is 223mhz, not 300. and im not doing anything special to save battery, its just my normal setup, using ondemand/deadline.
simms22 said:
rastapop with lean kernel. and i made a mistake, my low cpu speed is 223mhz, not 300. and im not doing anything special to save battery, its just my normal setup, using ondemand/deadline.
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I'll give it a try tonight once I'm done with my homework and classes.
So here's the deal: I'm looking for a good secondary phone, and my options are the G4 Plus and the 5.5 inch ZenFone 3. They both have 5.5-inch 1080p displays, 16MP cameras, and 3000 mAh batteries, but that's where the similarities end. The G4 Plus boasts the name of a much more proven OEM behind it, stronger software support, cleaner software and for me, a better location for the fingerprint scanner, as well as a cost about $50 less where I live. The ZenFone has the newer, more powerful CPU that's leaps and bounds more efficient, likely a better camera, and a prettier design.
Software really is quite important for me, but then again, I love the idea of having a phone that doesn't need babying of its battery (a relative has the ZF3, and he can get two days of heavy use from it).
If you care about software experience, go with the G4 Plus. The ZenFone 3 has a much better SoC (Snapdragon 625) that doesn't overheat and is very efficient. From my experience, ASUS will update it Nougat but it's gonna take some time. It also has OIS.
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The ZenFone has the newer, more powerful CPU that's leaps and bounds more efficient, likely a better camera
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The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage I bet that the 625 it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
Better camera - debatable. 23Mpix means that the low light capability will suffer. Sure you have supposedly some stabilization, but that won't stabilize the movement of the people, you will still see blurriness. That's my guess...
I had the previous Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE551KL) phone and it had some issues that made me sell it:
1. Used 64 bit Android. Took more space on the phone storage and RAM memory for no good reason. Unless the device has more than 4GB of RAM (mine had only 3), 64 bit is just dead weight.
The Moto Plus that I have has 4GB and is always under-occupied (true with 32 bit the apps and OS are smaller so they take less room).
2. The phone had so much extra software that needed to be rooted and bloatware removed. It was running warm from all the processes in the background and battery life sucked. Also, some it used non-standard system code that made things difficult (unstable) for the CM developers.
3. No band 12 in US, even if the FCC registration was showing that they had approval for it. The VoLTE came only via the upgrade to the MM, but was useless without band 12.
What I didn't like at the new Zenfone 3 is the fact that the LTE bands are not universal. I do travel between US and EU often, and I swap SIM cards.
What I like is that they kept the FHD resolution. The Quad HD from other manufacturers is just stupid use of resources and brings nothing extra to the table.
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The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
Better camera - debatable. 23Mpix means that the low light capability will suffer. Sure you have supposedly some stabilization, but that won't stabilize the movement of the people, you will still see blurriness. That's my guess...
I had the previous Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE551KL) phone and it had some issues that made me sell it:
1. Used 64 bit Android. Took more space on the phone storage and RAM memory for no good reason. Unless the device has more than 4GB of RAM (mine had only 3), 64 bit is just dead weight. The new Asus has 6GB... what for? Just for bragging rights?
The Moto Plus that I have has 4GB and is always under-occupied (true with 32 bit the apps and OS are smaller so they take less room).
2. The phone had so much extra software that needed to be rooted and bloatware removed. It was running warm from all the processes in the background and battery life sucked. Also, some it used non-standard system code that made things difficult (unstable) for the CM developers.
3. No band 12 in US, even if the FCC registration was showing that they had approval for it. The VoLTE came only via the upgrade to the MM, but was useless without band 12.
What I didn't like at the new Zenfone 3 is the fact that the LTE bands are not universal. I do travel between US and EU often, and I swap SIM cards.
What I like is that they kept the FHD resolution. The Quad HD from other manufacturers is just stupid use of resources and brings nothing extra to the table.
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I'm not talking about the Deluxe, I'm talking about the normal ZenFone 3 with a 16MP IMX298 sensor, 4GB RAM/64GB ROM, and the CPU is more efficient. 35% according to Qualcomm. Proven by the insane battery life from the Moto Z Play.
I edited the post before you quoted me.
However... marketing. Once you will start using the Asus you will see that is not that way. My Asus was based on 64 bit, memory usage was at least 30% higher, bloatware was eating into my battery - had to constantly kill processes. Using their camera app (very nice BTW) was a huge drain, phone was getting sooo hot. Can't tell if the newer Asus will suffer from the same, but I absolutely hated the constant feeling of a warm phone in my pocket.
However the LTE bands/compatibility for me is the most important thing and it seemed (3 months ago, when I was looking) that the Moto G4 Plus was better. I am not playing games on my phone, I do that on my desktop at home (if I have tiime) and when I travel, I have a tablet and a laptop with me.
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The CPU i snot "leaps and bounds" more efficient, that's just marketing, In normal usage I bet that the 652 it will just eat the battery faster. Think what you use mostly the phone for - benchmarks?
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It might not be "leaps and bounds" more efficient, but it's a LOT more efficient. The 617 in G4 Plus is made with 28nm while 625 is made with 14nm. Just take a look at this
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Not to mention the better GPU and noticeably better processing speed (4x1.5 GHz + 4x1.2 GHz vs 8x2.0 GHz).
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I edited the post before you quoted me.
However... marketing. Once you will start using the Asus you will see that is not that way. My Asus was based on 64 bit, memory usage was at least 30% higher, bloatware was eating into my battery - had to constantly kill processes. Using their camera app (very nice BTW) was a huge drain, phone was getting sooo hot. Can't tell if the newer Asus will suffer from the same, but I absolutely hated the constant feeling of a warm phone in my pocket.
However the LTE bands/compatibility for me is the most important thing and it seemed (3 months ago, when I was looking) that the Moto G4 Plus was better. I am not playing games on my phone, I do that on my desktop at home (if I have tiime) and when I travel, I have a tablet and a laptop with me.
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Gotcha. I see your point, but I don't have a very positive impression of Moto QA either, as my previous Moto phone, the 2nd Gen X, suffered so many issues I replaced it within 4 months: faulty power key that broke within a month of use, issuing a defective Android 5.1 update that soft bricked my phone on the first install, and after resetting and losing all my data but successfully installing the update, bringing a lagging camera that persisted through factory resets (it would take 3 seconds every time the camera opened to be ready for a shot, which is just inexcusable in a modern phone), battery consistently shutting off at 20-30% as well as on one occassion, lasting a whole 8 minutes from a full charge to zero percent, and getting crazy hot in the process, and then an utterly rude phone agent from Motorola UK when I asked if I could have my Singapore-bought unit replace its battery (with me paying for the battery) in the UK (not that them not entertaining the replacement is new or strange, but the completely rude agent was).
Haha... MotoX was my previous phone (still works with my kid) and I had no issues. But mine was US-assembled (had a offer for it to be customized for free, ordered from Moto directly). That's what made me go back to Moto. Ah, the Zenfone 2 Laser - besides being warm most of the time in my pocket, the camera wasn't that great in low light either, the Moto G4 Plus camera is really good IMO.
Well, if you decide for Asus please come back here (or post a link) for your observations. I am curious.
Well I think you should go for Asus......
As you said this will be your second phone.
Asus phones are pretty solid and damn hard.My sis has Asus zenfone selfie(Good Camera) and Moto G2.Both seems to be solid as compared to G4 Plus.So you can expect Asus zenfone 3 to be solid.
As far as the chipset is concerned the SD 625 is way better than SD 617.You can check that out in benchmarks.
Software updates is a problem for Asus.
That's cool, more power to you. For you, maybe the Asus 3 (ZS550KL) is worth the extra $100 (33%) price premium.
To me it was not worth it, in 6 months something else will be shiny. After all... it's just a phone. That's all.
I had a zenfone 2 and I replaced it (actually warranty replacement 3 times (once for no wifi/bad touchscreen, once for overheating, and once for no charge condition.
>>> I WILL say that the Warranty process with Asus was QUITE Delightful, and PAINLESS!!! <<<
best warranty repair process I ever had.
I replaced the ZF2 with this MotoG4Plus, and I hate both of them. given the choice, having less problems with the G4Plus.
ehh. I would have bought the new google pixel, but I believe they STILL have no external storage (drats to you GOOGLE...)
Perfect would be: Pixel xl, with REMOVABLE battery, and external storage for $400-500 USD.
.. PS.. ONE MAJOR improvement of ZF2 over this G4Plus is the fact that the 'tethering entitlement' bull**** is NOT present, and thus did not have to bypass on the ZenFone ... THIS is a huge pain for me, as I am unlimited ..grandfathered on at&t.
Why do you mean by tethering entitlement? I have Cricket and, with the unlocked phones, it just works, so I assumed that it is disabled too.
Plus I couldn't find the build.prop settings for that.
Not that I am using it, since it would be against the TOS
Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy S9 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy S9 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Home button delays the same as in Galaxy S8, that's why you don't remove the physical one
I have owned the exynos variant for about 2 weeks. I use it having decreased the animation time and there is absolutely no stutter. I've come for the s7 which is no slouch and can feel that this is the most refined experience yet. You can't go wrong. I can't lie I had 'terrible' battery for about 1 and half weeks. But it's much better now.
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I have owned the exynos variant for about 2 weeks. I use it having decreased the animation time and there is absolutely no stutter. I've come for the s7 which is no slouch and can feel that this is the most refined experience yet. You can't go wrong. I can't lie I had 'terrible' battery for about 1 and half weeks. But it's much better now.
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How about the gpu performance?
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How about the gpu performance?
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Definitely no sloucher in gaming performance. Does not lack performance whatsoever, can handle all games including the Honkai Impact 3 at max settings with no fps drops. Its basically the second best gaming performer right now outperformed by the SD845. but although battery life is not bad, apparently SD845 is better in every way. This year i'd actually consider the SD845. What device do you currently own? Because that way i might advise you wait for the S10 where they will actually improve efficiently a lot with the new 7nm chips.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, i love the S9 even though i owned the S7 previously. The features it includes such as the Dolby Atmos supported stereo speakers, headphone jack and the great experience Touchwiz offers in my opinion. Touchwiz just looks better than stock android which otherwise is boring in my opinion and other manufacturers are still refining their experience. And if you don't like touchwiz? Get a launcher or even change your theme to your liking. Hopefully Samsung will increase the amount of software updates due to Project Treble support too.
It's just that depending on your device and its state, i'd wait for the S10 which i reckon will be the 'holy grail' (unless they somehow screw it up). By then performance wouldn't be a issue whatsoever and battery life should increase and hopefully capacity too.
Any more questions feel free to ask. I'm willing to help.
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Definitely no sloucher in gaming performance. Does not lack performance whatsoever, can handle all games including the Honkai Impact 3 at max settings with no fps drops. Its basically the second best gaming performer right now outperformed by the SD845. but although battery life is not bad, apparently SD845 is better in every way. This year i'd actually consider the SD845. What device do you currently own? Because that way i might advise you wait for the S10 where they will actually improve efficiently a lot with the new 7nm chips.
Any more questions feel free to ask. I'm willing to help.
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Woah thank you alot! Im having this kind of feeling where I am dissatisfied with the s9, especially with exynos, yet you made me calm. I got s5 from Dubai with Snapdragon which is surprising since SD is only available in US and in China, and this year, I hope that my model going to have on 13th of April is SD too. Im really excited! Anyways, coming from s5 to s9 is considerably a "good" upgrade, isnt? My screen is dying and it cant wait for s10 anymore :laugh:
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Woah thank you alot! Im having this kind of feeling where I am dissatisfied with the s9, especially with exynos, yet you made me calm. I got s5 from Dubai with Snapdragon which is surprising since SD is only available in US and in China, and this year, I hope that my model going to have on 13th of April is SD too. Im really excited! Anyways, coming from s5 to s9 is considerably a "good" upgrade, isnt? My screen is dying and it cant wait for s10 anymore :laugh:
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Most definitely, an upgrade from the s5 to s9 will be huge.
What i'd recommend you do to get around 4 and a half hours of screen on time is the following.
Turn off location services. Or revoke app permissions for any app that doesn't require it. Including Google maps because for some reason it tracks where you are constantly. That is if you prefer it on for Samsung find my phone.
Get a dark theme. And and try to keep your wallpapers dark once you've enabled it because for oled screens, only the required pixels turn on. I currently use Black_Edition_V2
Turn off NFC (unless you pay using your phone)
Go to Wifi, advanced (click the 3 dots on top right) and enable Wifi power saving mode. and disable turn on wifi automatically.
Enable power saving mode (Only turn on decreased 10% screen brightness, don't limit CPU or any of that.) Screen is super bright already so you won't notice a difference but apparently you get an extra hour of stand by time.
Turn on Dolby Atmos (it's off automatically for some reason)
Depending on your usage or preference, disable or enable always on display. I personally have it on a schedule.
Give it just over a week or so to learn your usage behaviour and once a week or so for the first month, discharge your phone fully and recharge fully.
Also what i'd recommend is turning on developer mode and putting animator duration scale to 0.5x. Your phone will feel much faster, and it'll be able to keep up so don't worry. This is your preference.
I might have missed some things, but this is what the basic changes are. But compared to the S5, it will be a beast. With all the android phones out there having notches, i reckon the S9 is still the best all in one device!
Otherwise enjoy your phone!!! :good:
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Most definitely, an upgrade from the s5 to s9 will be huge.
What i'd recommend you do to get around 4 and a half hours of screen on time is the following.
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Otherwise enjoy your phone!!! :good:
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Wow truly helpful! Im pretty sure alot will benefit as well from your post. Very informative. Thanks mate!
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With the latest update to Pie, have noticed very good performance
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Most definitely, an upgrade from the s5 to s9 will be huge.
What i'd recommend you do to get around 4 and a half hours of screen
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Yes, changing s5 to s9 will be good, but I couldn't stop laughing at second sentence...
Check this:
crdroid oreo plus some fiddling with mtweaks:
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8hrs and 3 mins sot, 10% batt left.
7.5 hrs fhd content playback with gettube with wifi on, plus background download plus some other things(that took another 30 mins).
No battery savers, etc.
CrDroid 4.7, Ainur MK III, ViperFx 2.6.0.4., JDSP 1.9., Aimp 2.90. Soundset, that melts brain in action. Every player uses this snd driver's replacement set there(magisk+lowlevel setups for sound)...so.
F dolby bs and stock system.