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Will the Nexus 4 drive down the second hand phone market?

I looked today and my HTC One S is currently going for around £200 on auction sites. Considering the massive spec difference someone would get by spending an extra £70 and picking up a brand new Nexus 4 do you think the second hand market will be affected by it's release?
I know that if I had £200 to spend I wouldn't be looking at second hand flagship phones from other manufacturers unless they were way cheaper.

roakes said:
I looked today and my HTC One S is currently going for around £200 on auction sites. Considering the massive spec difference someone would get by spending an extra £70 and picking up a brand new Nexus 4 do you think the second hand market will be affected by it's release?
I know that if I had £200 to spend I wouldn't be looking at second hand flagship phones from other manufacturers unless they were way cheaper.
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That depends on how many Nexus 4 sells worldwide. Generally Nexus devices are not as popular as the OEM flagships and google also does not push for more sales with huge marketing campaigns. That said, I believe Nexus 4 will sell much better that it's predecessors and it will have only a slight impact on the price of other phones.

Imo only in the play store markets. In other countries no, because its price will be the same as the other flagships.

Hopefully. I'm taking both Galaxy Nexus and (hopefully, if nothing major screws up) Nexus 4 back to China in December. I'm hoping to get some decent money out of my Galaxy Nexus.

vpraveenis said:
That depends on how many Nexus 4 sells worldwide. Generally Nexus devices are not as popular as the OEM flagships and google also does not push for more sales with huge marketing campaigns. That said, I believe Nexus 4 will sell much better that it's predecessors and it will have only a slight impact on the price of other phones.
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Google did a pretty good job advertising the Nexus 7. I read an article somewhere that Google & ASUS were selling over 1,000,000 N7 tablets a month.

The Galaxy S3 at Best Buy went to $250 trade in down from $300 last week.
But Best Buy had a sale on the S3 last week. Plus prices drop all the time. No real reason.

I put my Gnex on eBay as soon as I saw the price of the N4. I figured that as soon as news of the N4 prices filtered down to used Gnex buyers, then it would depress the price of the phone.
The jury is still out whether it will affect non Nexus phone prices in the short term, but I'm sure that top end phones will become far cheaper over time because of this move.
So, my Gnex has now gone, and I'm back on my old Desire, at first I thought I'd gone back to the stone age, but a decent Miui based ROM sorted that out...to an extent.

Since it's currently Google Play only that have those prices, i doubt it will have any real effect on prices in general
It's sad, i was hoping we could get back to the day where iPhone was the "only smartphone" and Android was trying to gain market share, back then the prices for android highend smartphones were around 400€.
But as Android gained popularity it started jumping up to 500€, and now 600€.
It's no secret that the phones themselves cost around 200$ to make, so i'm really hoping that someone will still taking notice to Google's Prices, especially as they start expanding across europe.

Nexus 4 or Samsung Galaxy S4?

http://www.popherald.com/20121117_iphone_5s_vs_samsung_galaxy_s4_myth-20855
Nexus 4 has google experience but no LTE, extSD
Samsung tends to have LTE and extSD...but based on the article the S4 will match Verizon Droid DNA 440ppi, but OLED so even better than Droid DNA...that's going to be one kickass phone to have. Downside is probably have to wait for 4 months (until CES 2013) and no google experience.
Worth the waiting?
440ppi overrated?

If you need/want to replace your phone now, get the Nexus 4. If you're planning on waiting at least six months, you'll probably want to look for something else, phone hardware is constantly being one-upped by the newest release.

Are you honestly asking if you should get a phone that won't be released for another 6+ months?
Good luck with that.

Are you able to get it at upgrade price? If not then is LTE (if you have at&t. If you have T-Mobile you may be waiting for a while to get LTE) and expandable storage worth an extra $300+. If you can afford to pay the difference than it's up to your preference
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kcls said:
Are you honestly asking if you should get a phone that won't be released for another 6+ months?
Good luck with that.
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Could be six months before he can add an n4 to the play store shopping cart so that question isn't too far fetched
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How about the Nexus 5 vs Galaxy S5, any recommendations?

I think nexus8 will be the best choice. S10 also not bad.
Really do not understand why people gonna compare something doesn't exist.
If nexus 4 or note2. I think will be better.
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bdithug said:
Could be six months before he can add an n4 to the play store shopping cart so that question isn't too far fetched
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LOL. Ok I get it.
The specs sound tempting...I decided I'll just buy the N4, then sell it later on craigslist if I want that new device.

kobesabi said:
http://www.popherald.com/20121117_iphone_5s_vs_samsung_galaxy_s4_myth-20855
Nexus 4 has google experience but no LTE, extSD
Samsung tends to have LTE and extSD...but based on the article the S4 will match Verizon Droid DNA 440ppi, but OLED so even better than Droid DNA...that's going to be one kickass phone to have. Downside is probably have to wait for 4 months (until CES 2013) and no google experience.
Worth the waiting?
440ppi overrated?
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the nexus4 is $299 right now with no contract
the s4 will most likely be in the $600+ range when it comes out and by then the n4 could see a $50 price drop...
so you are comparing a $250 phone vs a $600 phone

norazi said:
the nexus4 is $299 right now with no contract
the s4 will most likely be in the $600+ range when it comes out and by then the n4 could see a $50 price drop...
so you are comparing a $250 phone vs a $600 phone
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I don't see why people label phones based on their price. Do you honestly think any of today's phones are worth what they cost? HECK NO.
Google did something extreme here. They offered a FLAGSHIP unlocked device for a REASONABLE price which is something that hasn't been done. I don't care what you say, no Galaxy phone is worth $600. It's an EXTREME price markup. And no, a higher markup doesn't mean the phone is higher quality (plastic junk that is the current S III).

s3 > nexus 4 in terms of build quality and probably everything else
obviously s4 will blow nexus 4 out of water

I have no money to buy the Galaxy S4 T_T
I think it will be too expensive!
The Nexus 4 is better.
Sorry about my bad English!

Stupid comparison, comparing the nexus 4 to a phone that isn't arriving til summer 2013 based on their past 3 galaxy phones and their release dates.
You might aswell ask Galaxy s4 vs Nexus 5 as that's the same timeframe difference!
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N4 or S4 that's a good question !
I wanted N4 now to replace my sgs2, but we may need to wait a month to get it, and rumors around the s4 are growing fast since the coming out of iphone 5 and nexus 4 ! It could be presented in january but more likely in february (in any case sooner than usual).
What we know : samsung as developped a thinner 64gb drive and more powerfull, getting its exynos 5 quadcore ready and mali t658, invested 1billions in oled fhd screens, referenced recently a 4"99 screen with 441ppp, they are now ok with induction charging, and we also know samsung is going to realese the s4 quicker (february). Forgot the flexible screen for early 2013, I don't know how they can integrate it in a fonctionnal daily use.
Also, adreno 320 is one of the first compatible with next opengl es 3.0, wich 2 year old mali 400 is not !
I can imagine the mali t658 if realesed will give a huge kick in the ass of adreno 320
So nexus 4 350 coins in a month for best performance of the year, or wait 2 months for s4 announcement of a product that will kick everybody's ass... that's a good question.
I've been dispointed by samsung this year : 1go ram in s3, mali 400 and low resolution in note 2, I really hope they gonna be perfect in 2013 !!
(Not the point here but have you seen their screens for 2013 ?? Transparent, flexible, high resolution oled etc... )
Last point, if we all die on december 21th, just get a N4 ^^

Pirate-X said:
N4 or S4 that's a good question !
I wanted N4 now to replace my sgs2, but we may need to wait a month to get it, and rumors around the s4 are growing fast since the coming out of iphone 5 and nexus 4 ! It could be presented in january but more likely in february (in any case sooner than usual).
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Says who?
All I read was release most likely in Q3 2013, and thats quite reasonable.

nba1341 said:
s3 > nexus 4 in terms of build quality and probably everything else
obviously s4 will blow nexus 4 out of water
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I sense a strong amount of fanboyism and biasm. Also not sure why you're posting here if you're already completely dismissing the device. This is coming from someone who owned a plasticky S3 and well aware of its build quality, as well as owning the SII, Note and Nexus and various other Samsung.

nba1341 said:
s3 > nexus 4 in terms of build quality and probably everything else
obviously s4 will blow nexus 4 out of water
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I've used both and you're wrong

nba1341 said:
s3 > nexus 4 in terms of build quality and probably everything else
obviously s4 will blow nexus 4 out of water
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no..you see..you got it all wrong..the nexus 5 will mop the floor with it

nba1341 said:
s3 > nexus 4 in terms of build quality and probably everything else
obviously s4 will blow nexus 4 out of water
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not better in build quality, you may like plastics more than the glass on the nexus 4 but the nexus 4 build quality is tons better.

Testraindrop said:
Says who?
All I read was release most likely in Q3 2013, and thats quite reasonable.
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It began with the intervieuw of an official samsung employee in the korea times when iphone 5 came out. But you're right nobody knows, it could be next week, it could be never ! it is not because apple is lost since steve jobs'death that samsung has to bring new products every 6 months !!
Also s3 isn't > N4, look at ram, gpu, opengl es 3.0 support for next gen, plastics...:good:

Help! What phone should i buy galaxy s4 or nexus 4?

Hi guys I am in a Dilemma what phone should I get the Galaxy S4 or Nexus 4? the difference is about 250 290$, Is it worth it getting the S4? Which one is better I don't want to waste my money.
Thanks

Xtensensed said:
Hi guys I am in a Dilemma what phone should I get the Galaxy S4 or Nexus 4? the difference is about 250 290$, Is it worth it getting the S4? Which one is better I don't want to waste my money.
Thanks
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Is the S4 on a plan? Nexus 4 comes without a plan if your paying that much.

ryuker said:
Is the S4 on a plan? Nexus 4 comes without a plan if your paying that much.
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Yes on a 50 a month, the device itself costs about $580 plus tax and shipping about $610, anyways the nexus 4 I will have to pay 50 a month to use it too, so nexus is $299 + $10 shipping and about $23 tax is about $342 vs $610 of the S4

Xtensensed said:
Yes on a 50 a month, the device itself costs about $580 plus tax and shipping about $610, anyways the nexus 4 I will have to pay 50 a month to use it too, so nexus is $299 + $10 shipping and about $23 tax is about $342 vs $610 of the S4
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Hi, $300 difference is pretty big The Nexus 4 has A S4 Pro CPU and S4, 600 Snapdragon, so added to to that you a paying 300 more for a Bigger screen, 1080p AMOLED, 13 MP camera and faster Processor also faster LTE and HSPA+

I have both phones I would not worry about specs. The N4 out performs s4 any day of the week. It also looks premium and much nicer. However it has no SD card, crappy battery life compared to s4 and even a crappier camera plus no LTE which are some major negatives. If you don't care about those things then N4 is better.

It's up to you to get the phone, Think about it, You are going to have a phone for a long time so better if you get the best instead of getting stuck with what the nexus 4 can only offer. I do have the S4 and If you have the money go for it in The long run the 300 dollars are 100% worth it. Trust me

tichs said:
It's up to you to get the phone, Think about it, You are going to have a phone for a long time so better if you get the best instead of getting stuck with what the nexus 4 can only offer. I do have the S4 and If you have the money go for it in The long run the 300 dollars are 100% worth it. Trust me
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Thanks Guys I just bought the S4!

Here is a good breakdown on the differences: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-S4,Google-Nexus-4/phones/7597,7531
For me it came down to extras not justifying the expense. For others it may be worth it. Main differences IMHO are 13MP vs 8MP camera, 5" Supset AMOLED vs 4.7" IPS LCD display, microSD card slot and branded vs unbranded android.
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if you like waiting forever for updates then get the s4. if u like to be on the latest and greatest version of android then get the n4. :highfive:

If I remember correctly, the gs4 may be released on the play store with stock android soon.
That said, I have an n4 on t-mobile with lte enabled & I just recently bought my mom a gs4 on Verizon. They are both very nice phones. I prefer the n4 but the gs4 is impressive as well.
I don't think you can go wrong with either phone except that a branded gs4 will inevitably suffer in the update department.
If possible, I would recommend stopping by a T-Mobile store where you should be able to play around with both phones to see if either stands out to you.
Good luck!
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I wouldn't recommend the GS4 to anyone - it's a complete lagfest.
The N4, even though 6 months older still remains the fastest and smoothest phone out there.
For the price of a GS4 you could buy the Nexus 4 right now and even the Nexus 5 in Oct/Nov if Google keep their prices the same.
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Snapdragon S4p and S600 are identical GPU wise and are not very far when the N4 is on an appropriate ROM with optimizations. In the benchmark thread here people score 23K+ in antutu. Anyway I would not spend over $200 more for just a alight spec bump when the nexus is a better value.
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tichs said:
It's up to you to get the phone, Think about it, You are going to have a phone for a long time so better if you get the best instead of getting stuck with what the nexus 4 can only offer. I do have the S4 and If you have the money go for it in The long run the 300 dollars are 100% worth it. Trust me
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That's true. But the way I look at it is a bit different. The price difference is 300$; which is another nexus. Assuming the nexus 5 is going to be priced at $300. I will have a n4 and a n5 for roughly the same price as one s4. Regardless, you cannot go wrong with either choice. Both are great phones

Seriously who would even consider buying a Samsung device over a N4.
Even with those better specs, they mean nothing. Who cares over a 1080p screen, 13mp, and whatnot. The difference is marginal and for most not even noticable.
So save your money, buy an N4. And stop getting excited over the latest specs, because they're marginal improvements anyway.
Might as well be a fanboy and go and buy a new Apple/Samsung phone each year then and be a dipstick and waste 700 euro on phone's that are produced for less then 100 euro, just because it has something "new and ""great"" that the N4 doesn't have.
Bought my N4 last months, it has specs that will last another 2-3 years for most.

You should probably wait because there is going to be an s4 with the snapdragon 800 SoC.

Price drop prediction

I think the new iPad and especially the mini are going to really choke out the premium tablet segment. They are going to sell huge, especially with the timing with holidays.
I will not be surprised to see a price drop of at least $50 next month or early December. That is when I would get the 2014
My concern though is this would force the Android tablets further into the lower end segments that could mean middle road specs. ASUS might be selling the new 701 into a market segment that has very small remaining share. That assumes they get the Tegra 4 to behave as far as battery bleed and throttle issues.
Point in this being Apple will sell millions while Android OEs selling premium Android tablets would sell thousands due to small market share.

Its already gone from £479 to £439 on Amazon.co.uk.
It was £100 overpriced to start off with especially with a plastic exterior.
I was so ready to purchase this and have money burning a hole in my pocket. Already own an ipad min, ipad 4, nexus 7 2013 and wanted a full size Android tablet.
Considered the Z until its completely rubbish ppi screen was detailed and then eagerly waited the Note. Was extremelydis appointed in the build quality and design but more more horrified at the price. Will be waiting for news on the Nexus 10 whilst also buying an ipad air and retina mini.

Ukbondraider said:
Its already gone from £479 to £439 on Amazon.co.uk.
It was £100 overpriced to start off with especially with a plastic exterior.
I was so ready to purchase this and have money burning a hole in my pocket. Already own an ipad min, ipad 4, nexus 7 2013 and wanted a full size Android tablet.
Considered the Z until its completely rubbish ppi screen was detailed and then eagerly waited the Note. Was extremelydis appointed in the build quality and design but more more horrified at the price. Will be waiting for news on the Nexus 10 whilst also buying an ipad air and retina mini.
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May I ask what you do with all of those tablets? Or are you just getting rid of the old (relatively speaking) ones once you buy a new one?

some of us are just collectors, lol. i do resell some or pass them down to other family members. since 2010 i've had a total 21 tablets and currently own a 2014, gn8, 500t, and 700t. the 500t is going to my daughter once i get around to repair the screen - it's the only tablet i ever bought insurance on and the only one i've ever dropped, lol.
the 8in is my main book reader, the 10.1 is my main web/multimedia tablet and the windows tablets i got as an experiment to see if i could do without a laptop (even though they're kinda laptop hybrids) and to see if i could do without android - i failed that miserably lol.

I just hope the iPad mini's price will drop. I love it but i can't afford to buy it.

I don't think the price of this tablet will drop much before the end of this year after the Samsung Perks package expires.

I am in need of a new tablet and the 2014 note 10.1 was going to be that device but the reviews and user experiences have swayed me away. I might reconsider if the price drops but with new devices like the ipad air/mini released and the upcoming nexus 10, the choices have become relatively overwhelming.
I am heavily invested in the android ecosystem with apps and games so warranting a switch to the "dark side" may be hard. Although the design and tablet specific apps are tempting. It seems like a good combination to have, I just dont want to have to re-purchase apps on ios and android. Anybody have this combinationof devices?
I think the nexus 10 is calling my name and I will most likely end up with it assuming the bugs and issues present on the first gen dont make there way to the 2nd gen.
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Looks like a drop has already happened. Price went from $600/$650 to $550/$600 at Amazon & Best Buy.
As far as the Nexus, a lack of sd slot keeps me away. I only have the iPad since I could get 64GB for the iPad 3 and now have a 128GB iPad 4. Media and games are too big for smaller storage and I HATE the cloud. Local content has "100% data coverage and range" and better on battery life.

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Looks like a drop has already happened. Price went from $600/$650 to $550/$600 at Amazon & Best Buy.
As far as the Nexus, a lack of sd slot keeps me away. I only have the iPad since I could get 64GB for the iPad 3 and now have a 128GB iPad 4. Media and games are too big for smaller storage and I HATE the cloud. Local content has "100% data coverage and range" and better on battery life.
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$550/600 was the starting price. No price drop yet...

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$550/600 was the starting price. No price drop yet...
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Dope! :silly: So in my mind, there already was one

This tablet is actually worth the money being asked for it, so you can wait to watch the prices drop or just buy it.

The original note 10.1 was 16 gigabytes was 499 when it debuted 1 year ago. Now the second generation came outand original drooped to 450. The note 10.1 very is unique and has no direct competition as in capacitive pen.
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Yeah, I wouldn't expect a price drop any time soon... maybe in 6 months at best. It took the Note 8 about 6 months to drop a whopping $20, lol. Samsung is pretty stubborn with their pricing.

Best phone for +-300

My little cousin is looking for something in the range of 300, I'm pushing them toward swappa and telling him to research some things that he has enough money for but can you guys find something you would recommend for that price range? I'm leaning towards a Nexus 6 because I loved that phone. He brought up HTC m9

kickenwing13 said:
My little cousin is looking for something in the range of 300, I'm pushing them toward swappa and telling him to research some things that he has enough money for but can you guys find something you would recommend for that price range? I'm leaning towards a Nexus 6 because I loved that phone. He brought up HTC m9
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I would be really wary of buying a used Nexus 6P. There were obviously quality control issues with this phone. Too many people with boot loop and battery issues who need to RMA. Without a warranty you could end up with a paperweight.

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My little cousin is looking for something in the range of 300, I'm pushing them toward swappa and telling him to research some things that he has enough money for but can you guys find something you would recommend for that price range? I'm leaning towards a Nexus 6 because I loved that phone. He brought up HTC m9
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Moto G4 Plus looks really good for a $279 price tag. The one major drawback is no NFC. But he can get a brand new phone with decent specs and a warranty.

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Moto G4 Plus looks really good for a $279 price tag. The one major drawback is no NFC. But he can get a brand new phone with decent specs and a warranty.
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I had a g4 plus (moto) before i bought a nexus 6p. All i can say is it is one kf the best phones that i used.
No issues at all. Running great up to now.

go for moto x pure edition 64 gb with great dual speaker at $260 best buy on sale

Depends what carrier you're on.
The Google Phones get updates faster than the moto phones of course. I would recommend the Moto Phones if he either a) knows how to unlock bootloader and flash custom roms, or b) doesn't care about stock updates. Moto is generally notorious for lack of updates.
If you're on GSM, could always get a OnePlus device.

kickenwing13 said:
My little cousin is looking for something in the range of 300, I'm pushing them toward swappa and telling him to research some things that he has enough money for but can you guys find something you would recommend for that price range? I'm leaning towards a Nexus 6 because I loved that phone. He brought up HTC m9
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I have my nexus 6 64gb. Mint condition. Let me know.
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Nexus 6p is great and in many peoples opinions one of the best phones currently out. It is very customisable and easy to use with good battery. Also if your cousin is into nodding then this is one of the best phones for stuff like custom roms etc. I would highly recommend this phone because last I checked it was around 300. I bought mine from the google store almost a year ago for 300-320. Can't remember exactly. Good luck searching.

yes go for moto x pure edition with 64gb great camera and best dual fron speaker better than the nexus 6p.. saw iit a week ago at $260 at best buy.. thats a steal

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yes go for moto x pure edition with 64gb great camera and best dual fron speaker better than the nexus 6p.. saw iit a week ago at $260 at best buy.. thats a steal
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It has some features better than the 6p but overall it isn't better but it depends what you want from a phone

DEVILOPS 007 said:
It has some features better than the 6p but overall it isn't better but it depends what you want from a phone
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better than 6p.. i was referring to front speakers of moto x pure